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A Review of the $200 Wal-Mart Linux PC

bcrowell writes "Wal-Mart's new $200 Linux PC has generated a lot of buzz in geek circles. Although they're sold out of stores, I bought one for my daughter via mail order, and have written up a review of the system. The hardware seems fine for anyone but a hardcore gamer, but the pre-installed gOS flavor of Ubuntu has a lot of rough edges."

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  1. But the real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...does it run wind... Never mind

  2. it will lie to you about cake by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    the pre-installed gOS flavor of Ubuntu has a lot of rough edges.

    If you think gOS is bad, you should see gladOS.

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  3. Hardcore gamer? by Poromenos1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It would appear that there are two kinds of PC users, hardcore gamers and normal people. Not so, there are also people who enjoy an occasional game of HL2 or people who work with huge amounts of data or who run extensive calculations on their PCs (or hell, even Photoshop). Lumping PCs into two categories, "Bleeding edge, $2000 PC" and "Everything else" isn't that informative. Maybe he should have said "very good for the average user (web browsing, flash games, office suites)", which I don't doubt it is (average users require fewer resources than even today's cheapest PCs have).

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    1. Re:Hardcore gamer? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Funny
      "Selling a PC with Vista preinstalled is downright criminal."

      Fixed that for you.

      The Everex PC is designed from scratch as a low-end machine and the OS is lightweight to match its specs. You don't put tractor tyres on a Hyundai Excel, and you don't put Vista on this machine.

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    2. Re:Hardcore gamer? by malsdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's referring to the home consumer market, you are talking about the business/professional market. For the home market, there are really only 2 categories: normal and gamer. Those running "extensive calculations" on their PC, are almost always using the computer professionally (although the use of home computers for digital video watching & conversion is maybe changing this a little).

      Photoshop is a bad example, home users might dabble with a photo or two in Photoshop SE or Paint Shop Pro which will happily perform such tasks on an average cheap home PC. This is completely different to the sort of professional graphic design activities for which a high-spec business PC is required.

  4. Unprofessional Review by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Reading that, you begin to understand why professionals get paid to review products.

    It's full of inconsistencies;

    • The guy claims to be experienced with Ubuntu, but didn't know to type his user password at the sudo prompt.
    • He manually installs the Flash plugin and calls it unintuitive, when all you need to do is go to a website with Flash content, and it'll automatically install for you.
    • He can't find the "log out" menu item...
    • He thought installing Gnome would fix a network problem.
    And so it goes on. There's almost no real review of what's installed, how easy it is to use, or even how to solve the problems he encounters.

    About the only thing you learn from him is that a little knowledge is dangerous.

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    1. Re:Unprofessional Review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the reviewer didn't know and couldn't work it out, how is anybody buying it expected to know?

    2. Re:Unprofessional Review by philicorda · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It looks like a clash between old and new Linux.
      I used to use Slackware or Gentoo as they worked.

      I put Suse on my computer to see what it was like, and the sound was not working.
      My first reaction was to open a console and lsmod, then cat /proc/asound/cards etc.
      The card was there, but the modules were loading in the wrong order, so the motherboard soundcard was loading first and being used by default. So, I started to edit /etc/modprobe.conf

      My friend, who does not use Linux, was watching me do this and I explained what I was doing.
      He said 'Why not look in the menu?'

      In the menu there was a way to set up the sound card in Yast and select the default.
      For some reason, my technical long term Linux user brain never even considered this as a first and obvious thing to do. I think I probably acted like this guy did, instead seeing how the distro was designed to be used, or reading any documentation, I just assumed I knew best and was going to fix it by brute force.

      I think it's perhaps a throwback to when the autoconfig stuff was a bit dodgy on Linux and I really did not trust it much, so even if it was there I'd ignore it, and it got to be a habit. Nowadays I use Ubuntu and am happier to let the distro take care of configuration and the little details.

    3. Re:Unprofessional Review by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hi, I'm the author of the review.

      The guy claims to be experienced with Ubuntu, but didn't know to type his user password at the sudo prompt.
      You have a valid point there. I normally use fluxbox, however, not gnome, and I normally do administrative stuff as root, not using sudo. Also, it demanded the administrator's password even though I hadn't initiated any administrative action other than logging in for the first time. Remember, this review is also talking about what the experience would be like for someone who's in Wal-Mart's target audience.

      He can't find the "log out" menu item...
      That's because there is none. Here you just didn't read the review carefully enough. It isn't Gnome, it's gOS's custom flavor of Enlightenment. There's no "log out" menu item in the WM. As I also explained in the review, they replaced the normal gdm login manager with their own, and it also doesn't have the normal menus, either.

      He thought installing Gnome would fix a network problem.
      Again, you don't seem to have read the article very carefully. As explained in the article, Gnome has a GUI called Gnome Network Manager, which I'd used successfully in the past to get the same wifi chipset working on Ubuntu, without resorting to the command line. gOS has something called Exalt, which failed with an error message when I tried to run it by clicking on its icon.

    4. Re:Unprofessional Review by bcrowell · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm the author of the review.

      how is anybody buying it expected to know?
      Because it's not very hard? Because it's explained in the pamphlet that comes with the PC?
      I have the poster that came with it right here in front of me. It's not explained there.

      Use the Start button
      I tried that. I didn't get the menu items you're talking about.

      or right click anywhere on the desktop and select "My GoS", then "Shutdown" from the popup menu.
      That's good to know, but the documentation never suggests right-clicking on the desktop.

  5. Also available at ZaReason by Helmholtz+Coil · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you're desperate (?) to get your hands on one of these, I noticed the other day that ZaReason's got them too. Don't know if they're 100% the same, but they're the same price and so possibly worth a look.

  6. Let me Summarize by vtcodger · · Score: 5, Informative
    Let me summarize the article for those who won't/can't read it.

    The machine is not actually available in some Walmart stores at this time, but you can mail order it and get it shipped to your local store (aside: No way in hell -- I'd rather drive in Boston than navigate the parking lot at that place). Everex has this in other stores besides Walmart now. What Walmart has in your local Walmart store maybe is a $300 version that runs Vista. A Monitor is extra in all cases so it's really a $400-500 PC.

    Hardware is fine -- really. Power consumption is OK. Not great, but OK. OS has some rough edges including, but not limited to, no obvious way to shut the thing down. The author scrapped the included gOS and installed vanilla Ubuntu which is, he thinks, what most users should do.

    All things considered he says, it's OK except for the OS.

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  7. 512M of ram? by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is cheap to add another 1GB of ram. Most users want to be able to run a word processor, look at pictures, and surf the internet.

    Most of the stores just keep pushing faster and faster machines on people, more than what they need. Vista helps with that being such a pig.

    1. Re:512M of ram? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      You'll want to edit that video before posting it to YouTube.

      From what I've seen on YouTube, it's not immediately obvious that anyone else agrees with you.

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  8. One thing this does tell you by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It shows that a 'random' person couldn't get the system/OS to work according to his wishes. To be really fair, you really should ask yourselve wether a 'random' person could get other system/OS combo's to work. This includes asking yourselve how well the average random person would deal with installing windows. If you ever had to deal with tech support you would know that most users stumble just as hard with MS software as with OSX and other unixes. Hell, people stumble with their toasters.

    To be specific, the SUDO bit had me wondering too, but as I am neither familiar with Ubuntu or sudo (don't use either on my own linux systems) I really can't comment. If Ubuntu does use sudo a lot then it is odd, but does the box say you need to be an experienced Linux user? Couldn't they have provided a help function? Please type in your password?

    As for flash, it would have been better if it had worked out of the box, but yes, recently installing it from your browser when prompted has been known to work. This however was not always the case, especially for Opera users.

    Enlightenment is a WM that does things a bit differently and the screenshots make it clear it is NOT a straight windows layout copy like KDE and Gnome use (By default). Perhaps he really just didn't know how to get it. Under E17 (The sequel) it is left mouse click on the desktop -> system Might be confusing to a person who normally would NEVER left-click anywhere on the desktop.

    He didn't think it would fix a network problem, he just couldn't get the tool too work. That is different. If you know how to setup your network in Windows XP and not in Vista then installing XP again 'fixes' your problem. Granted it does sound like "oh they are not doing everything 100% like I am used too, it sucks" but that is how most users are.

    So is it a good review? No, but it does tell us something and that is that Joe Average is a moron who doesn't like change and that it is very hard to develop an OS for that guy. See it not as a review but one of those usability reports usability experts so love to go one about. It might help you to develop an OS for average user.

    And no windows ain't that OS either and NEITHER is OSX (before the Apple fanboys pipe up), if ANY OS out there was the perfect OS for the clueless I wouldn't constantly be asked by the clueless to help with their machine.

    Recently I had to help people setup their network under Vista and OSX, and none of the users seemed to know how to do it. None of them make it very clear or easy. (Why does Vista break with DHCP run on linux anyway?)

    I do agree with your end conclusion, give me a clueless user who knows he/she is clueless anyday, they ask, you answer, they listen, problem fixed. The ones who think they know a little ARGUE with you over the solution. ARGH! If you know it better, why ask? But the horrors of support is another rant.

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  9. Ubuntu rough around the edges by transporter_ii · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have been waiting many years for Linux to get to a point where I could dump Windows. Well, I installed Ubuntu just a couple of weeks ago and was extremely impressed. Over the years, I have gone from somewhat of a power user to doing little more than surfing the web and doing e-mail, so it should be perfect for me, right? Over this weekend, I really got to start using the Ubuntu system. The very fist issue I ran into was the Evolution address book wouldn't display contacts you added...if you could get them to even add. I researched the problem and found people describing the exact same problem, in forums dated 2005. The next thing I wanted to do is search and replace some hard returns in OpenOffice's word processor. You can do it to some degree, but you have to search the web for an explanation on how to do it. In the end, it wouldn't work properly, and I had to transfer the file to my Windows system and do it on Word, which just has a menu option to search for special characters (really cool that Ubuntu saw my Window's share and I could just transfer the files over the network). Also, someone said that you could add Flash just by going to a web site that required it and clicking on "add plugin." Well, I tried that, and I had to manually install it, myself...it wasn't hard, but it took me about 15 - 30 minutes of reading some "how to" forums before I got it installed.

    All in all, it is hard to complain about something that is free, and I totally plan on continuing my move away from Windows. But I think anyone would be pretty darn hard pressed not to say that Ubuntu doesn't have some rough edges.

    One really nice advantage I see, too, is that it sure if nice not to have my hard drive constantly thrashing from all of virus scanners, spyware scanners, etc., running in the background!

    Transporter_ii

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