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France Leading Charge Against OOXML
Bergkamp10 writes "As Microsoft's Office Open XML document format waits in ISO limbo, South Africa, Korea, and the Netherlands are now actively pursuing the alternative Open Document Format instead, said the ODF Alliance. The Alliance now claims 500 members, and by their count 13 nations have announced laws or rules that favor the use ODF over Microsoft's Office formats. Those nations include Russia, Malaysia, Japan, France, Belgium, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, and Norway. The French have been the most aggressive in their rejection of Microsoft's standard; nearly half a million French government employees are being switched to OpenOffice. There has been no similar move in the US, though in a speech at Google last week Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama called for data to be stored in 'universally accessible formats.'"
Viva la French for their choice of OpenOffice
I am surprised Korea is on the list. I remember a story here on slashdot about how many websites there relied on active x code that was incompatible with Vista, so much so that very few in the country were expected to make the switch to Vista.
Libertarian Leaning Political Discussion Forum.
And all it takes is for Microsoft to say "Look, our document format is also universally accessible, we even have 'open' in the name," and most people would believe them. Good thing though, Obama seems to have some sort of grasp about the concept of computers and the interwebs.
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The UK is even going as far as open sourcing their data!
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The UK has had a policy of equal consideration for open source solutions for years now. Unfortunately there are still many cases of corruption -- Microsoft's recent "Schools 2000" (I think that was the name, but possibly not) program, for instance, where it gets a monopoly in every school, and cases where the best bidders on non-IT contracts have been told that they "said all the right things, except that they didn't use the word 'Microsoft'".
Unfortunately it's easy for a country to say it supports open standards, just as it's easy for a country to say it's "helping" in Iraq. Reality is often much different.
There have been some very bad things happening lately in France like the Olivennes report which is to lead us to some massive and generalized internet filtering (this has already been discussed on slashdot here : http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/23/1355220&from=rss) and having a president who is a friend of major media corporations doesn't help in this regard. I guess the ODF support is at least something I can be proud of in my country. And I definitely hope it will last as Sarkozy makes me kind of pessimistic both for French and European future (sadly, not only in a technology-related fashion)
From two coworkers not directly related to computer science:
- What? Everybody uses Word.
- Oh, dear god, please let them reach a consensus.
Guess which one works as the step between scientific writers and printing services.
The general opinion of many of the Brits I've known has been: "if France is for it, there's got to be something wrong with it." Maybe the British can still support OOXML, but the French will pronounce the acronym as "oohjemel" while the British will annoy the French by pronouncing it "oxemul".
- Greg
Start a happiness pandemic
Barack Obama called for data to be stored in 'universally accessible formats.'
Like printouts?
When it comes to technology politicians are clueless, with few exceptions. However, the fact that he bothers to pander to someone about it means that the issue has made at least some headway.
FAQs are evil.
Apparently he's also pro network neutrality: http://obama.senate.gov/podcast/060608-network_neutral/
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here they are: http://www.dis29500.org/category/countries/france/ nearly as much as the UK and more than twice the USA total. Raw totals of comments can be a bit missleading, but the UK, France and the USA were the top three in terms of numbers of comments. That kind of indicates the level of detail with which they looked at the standard, not the depth of feeling they have about it and how resistant they will be to MS lobbying during March (they have 30 days after the BRM to change their votes - it will be a crazy amount of lobbying and no doubt there will be more corruption/allegations of corruption)
Goverments documents should be stored in format that is free and open and has free converters to other accepted formats - that is all. Law that says i need to use odf format, is as bad as using M$. Hey but looking at other people comments i see: "as long it is odf SCREW FREE CHOICE".
From what I have read about Obama, when he takes a position for/against an issue, he really educates himself about it before making the decision. He is not the type to just accept what his advisors tell him.
>>Law that says i need to use odf format, is as bad as using M$.
Wrong. ODF is honestly open, OOXML is absolutely *not* open. In the OOXML specs there are several sections that essentially say: "do this the same as in Word-95" but the Word-95 specs are still closed.
BTW: ODF does not exclude msft. There are pluggins that allow ms-office to work just fine with ODF. Also, msft is entirely free to incorporate ODF if msft so choses. Msft's claims that ODF excludes msft is pure bullsh!t.
Obviously, other countries may be different, but it should be illegal for the USA Government to enforce, by law, the use of one product/standard over the other, IMO. Certainly laws should exist saying something like all data should be stored in open standards formats approved by X$ organization, which at this point is the same thing (since OOXML isn't approved by any such organization, yet). It shouldn't dictate exactly which standard, though... because at the very least, they'll also get bogged down in specifying what version(s) are allowed, and all sorts of other issues, not the least of which is depriving free-market decisions on which standard(s) to support by various vendors.
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The government technically isn't allowed to compete with private industry either (for obvious reasons), but unfortunately, that happens often enough these days as well
The ODF (that would be Foundation) was never in charge of the ODF file formats. They just had a confusing name. The ODF format was created by OASIS
It makes perfectly sense for the government to standardize when practical on some formats for its own documents, so citizens won't have to have converters for zillions of different formats, just in order to talk to the government. In this regard, the government is like any other big organization, and should have the free choice you seem to advocate against.
Where the free choice of the government should be limited is that they should not be allowed standardize on formats that are entangled with legal limitations.
Apart from that, we can argue on technical merits on what formats to standardize on.
With the availability of the free (as in beer) Word document viewer, it's arguable that Word .doc files are in fact universally accessible already, for some reasonable definition of universal (cf. universal telephone access). You might argue that people still have to buy Windows, which could constitute an obstacle to universal access; but going one level further, they also have to buy a computer regardless of which OS runs on it, so even a free software solution isn't actually without cost.
Bandannarama
There's some irony in that Obama's technology proposal on docstoc is a Word document and that you can't download it without logging in.