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Sliding Rocks Bemuse Scientists
An anonymous reader writes "Scientists can't figure out why these rocks — weighing up to several hundred pounds each — slide across a dry lake bed. The leading theory proposes that wind moves the rocks after a rain when the lake bed consists of soft and very slippery mud.
Mark Newman has a very nice sliding rock poster with a good shot of rock and trail in a variety of sizes.
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
I saw this on TV once! It was this documentary about these very things! They're called Hortas and their intelligent. Apparently they can be taught to mine.
Anyone who has seen an M Night Shamylan movie or been involved in a Usenet discussion about UFO's can readily see that there is one glaringly obvious answer...
IT'S ALIENS GUYS!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!
I got a catholic block.
...nature's version of desert curling?
... literally:
Quote: "Research of the Racetrack has continued. In the April 1997 GPS World, Paula Messina, Phil Stoffer and Keith C. Clarke reported a GPS study they conducted of the Racetrack. In ten days of intense field work they mapped every featured of the playa using differential GPS to produce, "the first-ever, complete, georeferenced, submeter-resolution map of the wandering rocks." (Messina, 1997, p. 42)"
http://sophia.smith.edu/~lfletche/deathvalley.html
But it seems they have no real conclusion too.
What about 'The Force"?
CC.
TaijiQuan (Huang, 5 loosenings)
has anyone checked the mitichlorian levels in the area?
It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
This begs the question, why hasn't someone setup a webcam to record these rock movements and solve this thing once and for all? I mean, if they can setup cameras in the arctic circle, death valley shouldn't be that hard to handle.
Curiosity was framed, Ignorance killed the cat.
These stones don't want to gather any moss.
'mmmmmmmmm.... forbidden donut'
In all those pictures, I don't see any buildup of dust in front of the rocks, though there is plenty on the sides of the paths. Usually, when I push something through the dirt/mud/snow/whatever, I end up with a good buildup in front, too. I wonder where that has gone.
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... that the rocks slide because the lateral forces exerted on the rocks exceed the static and dynamic frictional force cause by the gravity induced weight of the rock acting across the mud-rock interface. I guess I could be wrong and there are worm-holes involved.
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but he does hold magnets under the surface of the table, moving objects on top as if by magic, just to bemuse and entertain us
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is that posting this article in Slashdot is sure to produce a definitive solution to the mystery...
or rather, 100 of them.
Actually, it's caused by the continential tilt. It causes all the loose cannons and nuts and bolts to roll towards California.
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If there is really this much interest in figuring out how the rocks move, its pretty easy to do. Mount a solar powered camera with a motion detector. If the rock moves start shooting. If you really want to get fancy, you could do a continual time lapse to catch the movement if it is too slow for the motion detector. I think they do this kinda thing when you want to get pictures of wild animals in there natural habitat and the cameras are avaliable at your nearest outdoor outfitter.
They were obviously moved by his noodly appendages.
From TFA:
Some researchers have found highly congruent trails on multiple rocks that strongly support this movement theory. However, the transport of a large ice sheet might be expected to mark the playa surface in other ways - these marks have not been found.
Other researchers experimented with stakes that would be disturbed by ice sheets. The rocks moved without disturbing the stakes. The evidence for ice-sheet transport is not consistent.
Post-rock/Ambient/Drone and other noise.
Clearly the Flying Spaghetti Monster is moving them with his Noodly Appendage.
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Obviously, the rocks were casually lurking on Slashdot, when they read "Move along, nothing to see here..."
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because teutonic plate theory was just too crazy to accept...
... although it replaced the even more silly Gaulish plate theory, quickly discarded by history.
"All these years believing you're the signified monkey, only to find out you're just a big hunk of nobody cares."
Ironic rock is worse than rai-e-ain on your wedding day, or a free-ee ride, when you already paid.
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Thank you!
I remember this thing from back in '80s and even back then it was obvious that its water+wind+ice that makes the rocks move.
What is next? Channels on Mars?
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
I'd be curious if the under sides of the sliding sliding stones were concave? Why I mention it is I still remember a certain chinese restaurant's tea cups had a habit of sliding across the table. The table tops were resin coated and the concave cups tended to capture moisture under them so when the tea heated the moisture under the cup the expansion provided enough lift to break the friction and allow them to slide. They would move randomly in different directions then stop for a few minutes then slide again. Since the area is hot a unique combination of heated rocks with slippery mud and wind could in combination cause the effect. I remember that some rocks slid and others didn't as well as the direction changes.
Come now...while I agree that the video is (mildly) interesting, it is not what you claim. But beside that, the article doesn't say "there's no possible explanation" at all. In fact, the article presents at least a couple possible explanations. In fact, and I say this with every ounce of *gasp* I can muster, the article presents an explanation for the moving rocks that is identical to the one presented in the video! Did you happen to read the article? You ought to. It's relevant to this discussion.
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I've camped a few times at Texas Spring campground in Death Valley. Nice place in the right times of the year. One year, however, the wind blew all night at about 40 knots. Nearly took me and my tent away. There are sand dunes to the north of the valley, too. I expect the winds there are more than up to the task of pushing around rocks on moist clay. Perhaps most enigmatic is the question, 'Why don't these larger rocks sink into the mud?' Though with strong enough winds, I imagine they could get a move on again.
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In true /. form, you either failed to RTFA or to WTFV, as the video clearly does not show the rocks moving. It shows water and miscelaneous floating scum moving, and posits the same theories as in the article (just claiming them to have been proven).
And as to the foolishly simple explanation, H.L. Mekcken is quoted to have said, "Every complex problem has a solution that is simple, direct, plausible, and wrong".
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The cracked effect is what you get when muds dries out, the effect is NOT visible in the trails. How can this be IF the rocks moved when the mud was still there? There is a cracked effect in the trail but it is crushed, the effect you would expect if the rocks had been moved AFTER the ripple effect had already started to form, AFTER the mud started to dry or even when it was already dry.
But if the rocks moved on ice then AFTER the ice melted there would be mud, that if dried would show the same pattern all around the newly positioned rock with just the ridges of the trail left. NOT flattened dried mud.
As for purely the wind moving them, how fast do the winds get there anyway? Wind can be extremely powerfull even in areas with lots of obstructions, in open areas, well if it can pick up/move trucks, why not rocks? Far heavier things are lifted up by air alone, how do you think aircraft work?
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Did you watch the video carefully? They offer a very authoritative sounding explanation of the water / ice theory presented as one option in the article, but don't actually capture rocks in motion on film. There's water moving, and some sort of foam on top of the water, but that's about it. As the original article says, there's lots of evidence in favor of this theory, but also evidence against it being that simple -- like experiments involving undisturbed stakes and such. As far as I can tell, that seems to be a piece of the explanation, but not the whole explanation.
I have another theory for this.
Perhaps, when the ground is wet, there's a mud layer slightly beneath the surface that becomes fluid. Then, tidal foces make the surface to move up and down creating waves. The waves migh be very low amplitude (a few cm could be enough) and low speed/frequency, but enough to make the rocks slowly slide on the dry (or slightly moist) surface.
Does it sound plausible?