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Governments Prepare for Cyber Cold War
superglaze writes "ZDNet UK has an analysis piece on the growing threat of a "cyber cold war". It's got some interesting examples and it seems everyone is up to something. "...attacks are not limited to any particular countries, or by alliances between countries, according to cyberwarfare watchers. In the McAfee report, Johannes Ullrich, chief technology officer for research organization the Sans Internet Storm Center, said that most countries hack each other regardless of any supposed allegiances. Alan Paller, director of research at security training organization the Sans Institute, concurred. "All nations are doing it to each other. I don't know of any country not doing it," he said. "If it's not for normal espionage, it's for economic espionage. It's a very broad set of countries [involved].""
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is the continuation of politics.
Well, at least with all countries going after eachother's economies and such, I will start off by saying that at least I know who to blame when my Interest rates to up. You Bastards! But in related news, i did see that the Chinese Government attempted to hack into the Rolls Royce data center in Texas. The news article said everything was fine and dandy though so at least thats good.
http://infotech.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2591293.cms
I guess they want real engine technology or something.
-- Josh
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I'm shocked!
Apparently it's not so cold after all. Maybe insane paranoia we will reap some benefits from increasing tech R&D. All it takes is one congressman talking about "an decryption gap" to get about 10^588484 billion dollars for this stuff.
Last time the Soviet's spent themselves into exinction, so let's just hope it's not us this time.
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I probably shouldn't be posting this, but I'm Cyber Special Forces, a US Cyber Seal. We have a motto - "the only easy day was yesterday". People think it's glamorous, but I'm out there risking my life every single day.
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A cyber cold war? How is this going to work? Are we building servers right now that spam "STFU NUB, AMERICA #1 B1A+CH"?
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When all governments have similar technologies and ressources it forces the market to compete more and get new ideas on the market as soon as possible. Also, when military technologies are similar amongst nations, it forces them to negociate and talk instead of bullying the weaker ones.
Having a small advantage is all right but when some nations get to be much more advanced than others it gets problematic. It's all about having to listen to each other instead of simply using force. It's all about the human race advancing together instead of exploiting each other.
OK, so how long will it take for them to start building national firewalls? BN
But I always take Security warning from software vendors with a grain of salt. It's like the wolf telling you about the fox watching your chickens.
Ask not what you can do for your country. Ask what your country did to you
"All nations are doing it to each other. I don't know of any country not doing it,"
If all your friends engaged in cyber warfare, would you do it too?
With attempted 'hacking' from other countries, we see that domestic laws prohibiting unauthorized computer access are not much use. Of course they don't deter the Chinese army or any other government agency. They do deter domestic hackers, but have unpleasant side-effects like criminalizing viewing a page on a website to make sure it's not a phishing site. And if your computer security is oriented more towards tracking down individuals and bringing them to trial, you will be relatively defenceless against foreign agencies. Children brought up in an artificially clean and disinfected environment can suffer more infections when later exposed to the real world. It might be a better idea to legalize hacking, provided no damage is done, in order to strengthen your country's immune system.
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Espionnage agencies are using new technologies to achieve their goals. So what ?
Spying/Intelligence (gathering information) is as old as wars are (already Sun Tzu was talking about that). It's in no way specific to a "cold war".
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This doesn't happen with 'hacking' by government agents. This is not war, this is espionage. Especially in the US, we must avoid labeling anything 'serious' as a war. There is a bright line distinction between the widespread killing that accompanies a war and the economic losses that could be inflicted by espionage over the internet or the chaos that could follow a deliberate 'cyber attack'. Espionage is also a continuation of politics, but that doesn't make it war.
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Alliances aren't being followed? Next thing you know, they're going to tell us that there were spies operating in Russia during the real cold war.
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That scenario isn't a "Cold War". It's just the normal state of international relations, which has always been based on political and economic espionage, as well as "sustainable sabotage", for thousands of years among all nations. Even during every "hot war" (shooting involved), this is the norm. Even among allies, looking for advantage and testing for weakness that makes the entire alliance vulnerable.
People really ought to go check into one of these actual wars once in a while. The ones where states work to destroy each other, where lots of people are killed, where entire ideologies, religions, cities, landscapes get trashed and owned. People who think this kind of thing is a "war" really have it soft, and lose the proper respect for real war.
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I'm not disputing the accuracy one way or another, but c'mon. Not only does the article clearly reference McAfee as the author of the report, a corporation with a vested interest in scaring governments into buying more software, so does the summary! The moment a corporation starts posting fearmongering, I'm immediately skeptical. The immediate aim I see is to get the government to be scared and buy more software from McAfee. Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it.
Government and corporations have been in bed for years, but my god it's gotten so bad that it's practically a daily public porn show where they don't care what you see any more.
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I've got an idea. If two countries are arguing, each cultivates their best cyber warriors for 1 year. After one year, they have a giant multiplayer team death match in a mutually chosen FPS. At the end of the day, winner takes all. The only problem is that Japan and/or China will become the new super-powers.
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Let's hope these idiots don't trigger a "Cyber Winter".
The world economy is becoming more and more dependent -- and interdependent -- on complicated electronic infrastructures. A nasty enough attack could hurt far more than the intended target.
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While the NIPRNet itself does not carry sensitive information, Paller argued that the ultimate aim of such attacks is to "own" the opponent's computer. :-p.
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I couldn't resist and don't see it anywhere else
We need a security education class in public school perhaps? Less gullible and greedy populace? A database of serials so real customers aren't frustrated by losing their key, and subsequently installing all kinds of horrible software in search of a key? That last one could be government sponsored or from a small tax on software sales or creators.
There are things average windows users can learn to protect themselves:
Have a "sandbox" computer to test unknown sites or to test software..
Use firefox..
Disable certain services (actually it's a lot of them I disable)
Enough anecdoting, you people add something. I'm done.
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No way. It can't be lack of funds. It can only be staggering, incredible incompetence. And it's not the local burger flipper. It's the chief information security officer. The top boss in charge of keeping information safe.
Amazing.
Terrorists can't threaten a country's freedom and democracy. Only lawmakers and voters can do that.
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Only now countries can do this to each other digitally - guess thats progress. Its all fun and games until someone's hard drive gets formatted
Its not the years, its the mileage
Any war on an {insert your chosen abstract concept here} is ridiculous. The War on Drugs resembles a war, and perhaps even is a war, but it's not a war 'on drugs'. It's a war against particular drug cartels. It may even be several separate wars. But by calling it an abstract war, you confuse yourself. Note that the Allies declared war on the Axis countries in World War II, not on Invaders. Fighting Invaders might be a good idea. Having a War on Invaders, on the other hand, is a really bad idea, because your objectives are entirely unclear.
It just goes to show you should never confuse people with concepts. You'll be way off.
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Well, with the writers on strike and all, they might just do a reprise.
I wonder if the US offshores it's cyberhacking to India... I was looking at jobs at Symantec the other day and noticed much of their programming force is outsourced to India. That seems a little unsafe.
And the "cold" war between the USSR and the west involved killing how many? Technically none. After all, it was all about espionage. That is your definition. There was no direct conflict between the west and east. Our MI-5 and CIA that were killed were not. The same is true of USSR, North Korea, Libya, Cuba, and China, Right?
Ah yes, time to open up a new business market. I mean, it's not like your software is a bloated piece of garbage, which doesn't really clean or prevent any viruses that you can't get from something like AVG http://free.grisoft.com/ which is free. I seriously hope we aren't contracting our government IT security to THAT company.
A cold war is a war that doesn't happen.
A cyber war is a war that doesn't happen physically.
A Cyber Cold War is a scam to get government funding.
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So does that mean all countries besides US will be switching to non-US software?
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Why don't they prepare - and spen a ton of money - for alien invasions, too? This stuff is way overblown. The government can get the telcos to run their spying apparatus for them, but they would have us believe they are incapable of cutting off packets to and from certain countries. What's up with this? I want to know why anyone believes this is a real threat. Anyone outside of those with a vested interest in seeing that the "threat" is taken seriously.
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Seriously, if the idiots don't get a clue soon, America will have signs at every port stating "Owned and operated by" some multi-national company like the Carlisle Group.
With no penalities and no time limit..........
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Senility doesn't work that way - if anything it's the opposite. During my grandfather's last few lucid years, it was *much* easier to talk with him about Paris in the 1920s or 1950s or the US during WWII than about what had happened in the previous few years when his memory wasn't working so well, and later on it got harder for him to remember what had happened yesterday or recognize people, but the older memories stuck around longest and were least confused. Memories of what other people did are harder to keep track of - my grandmother did the stereotypical "Rosie the Riveter" thing during the war, but my mom has trouble remembering whether grandma actually did riveting or whether it was something else (I think it was welding, though we mostly remember stories that grandma'd gotten good enough at it that she mostly taught other people rather than doing it herself; mom wasn't actually at the defense plant seeing grandma weld so it was still second-hand knowledge even though she was around at the time and I wasn't.)
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I liked the part where some Estonian official was complaining about Russia trying to destroy the Estonian society by attacking Estonian computers. All six of them at the same time. This brazen attack came at a difficult time, when half of Estonia's 62-strong army was involved in Iraq, leaving their homeland vulnerable to a Russian invasion. As a precautionary measure, Estonians decided to temporarily shut down both of their Web sites, until they can come up with the funds needed to upgrade their Win 95 server.
for a sec, then I RTFA.
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There, fixed that for you.
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These US government departments losing "terabytes" worth of data must have some serious upload bandwidth!
Or can you say, "hype"?
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Whenever there is War, two things happen:
1) someone earning Big Bucks
2) someone earning Big Power
Getting Big Bucks helps/helped fund the people's campaign earning Big Power, and the people getting Big Power introduces acts like the Patriot Act and other insanities.
So there are litterally people who _want_ war for personal gain. This is why we shouldn't allow _any_ war to happen just because someone else wants it, or are outraged by something. Even if it is "just in name", because it never really is. Look behind the scenes and you will see behind _every_ war there is a huge power and money grab by people who are either insane, deluded or greedy.
For an intelligent man, war is the last resort in his arsenal of tools to heal the world.
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