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MPAA Forced To Take Down University Toolkit

bobbocanfly writes "Ubuntu developer Matthew Garrett has succeeded in getting the MPAA to remove their 'University Toolkit' after claims it violated the GNU GPL. After several unsuccessful attempts to contact the MPAA directly, Garrett eventually emailed the group's ISP and the violating software was taken down."

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  1. A new low has been acheived here on Slashdot... by garcia · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linking to a LiveJournal post that reads:

    MPAA don't fuck with my shit.

    (And yes, I did attempt to contact them by email and phone before resorting to the more obnoxious behaviour of contacting the ISP. No reply to my email, and the series of friendly receptionists I got bounced between had no idea who would be responsible but promised me someone would call back. No joy there, either.)


    Awesome.

    1. Re:A new low has been acheived here on Slashdot... by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Informative

      You missed the two screen shots. Essentially the post shows a "before and after" screenshot of the MPA University Toolkit page. The before picture contains a link that the after picture doesn't: "Click Here to Download The Beta Version of the Toolkit"

      There's also another link that links to a blog entry about the MPAA toolkit which, if you dive into the comments, explains the GPL violation. (Just search for GPL, it's easier than trying to find it.)

      So not entirely worthless, and therefore not a new low, just meeting the same low standards.

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    2. Re:A new low has been acheived here on Slashdot... by enoz · · Score: 5, Funny

      1. send takedown notice to MPAA
      2. LiveJournal servers slashdotted to hell
      3. ???
      4. geekocalypse!

  2. Duh by explosivejared · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is news?! What is up with that! Every body knows that the RIAA is a completely honest and upright organization. They practice what they preach. They obey everyone else's takedown notice, be it gpl or dmca, whatever, just like they expect you to obey their takedown notices. I can't wait to see the day that all these trolls on slashdot finally go the way of the dinosaur and the true intellectuals out there call the RIAA what it is! It is an honest, upright, artist first organization! IF YOU CAN'T HANDLE THAT GET OFF SLASHDOT!!

    ;)

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    1. Re:Duh by jamonterrell · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who said anything about the RIAA?

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  3. Obvious retaliation by Oriumpor · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next they'll contract a russian ISP and put the torrent up on one of their trackers...

  4. Explanation. by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Explanation.

    As TFS & TFA have little info, here's some background:

    The MPA(A) released a Xubuntu derived livecd with a bunch of F/OSS tools to assist universities in monitoring their networks. *rolls*eyes*. More info about the software in this Washington Post article.

    Unfortuntately the CD as shipped contained no source & no written offer for the source, so was in violation of the GPL (and hence, the MPAA are in violation of various software author's copyright).

    After several attempts to reach contact the MPAA, the ubuntu developer sent a takedown notice to the hosting ISP.

    I hope he now presses for copyright violation - as he so elequoently says: MPAA don't fuck with my shit.

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    1. Re:Explanation. by zonky · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Should also be made clear that the tools only identified torrent users, and didn't make any attempt to distinguish between 'naughty' and legal torrents.

  5. Encouraging result by GroeFaZ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    but at the same time rather worrysome what a simple email to the ISP can do, even if it's for a good cause. Why not sue them and make things bullet-proof and at the same time strengthen the GPL in court, rather than sorting things out vigilantism-style? A pile of court-issued takedowns might be a more impressive repellant against future violations of the GPL (or any other such license) than a pile of social-engineering-issued takedowns. Don't associate "social engineering" with the negative connotation of spam/phising/etc. as I used it; instead, read it in its original meaning: someone requested a blocking of content from an ISP, essentially (TFA is void of details) only with convincing arguments but no hard proof that the GPL was indeed violated.

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    1. Re:Encouraging result by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the MPAA can't necessarily just reissue the toolkit with source code and suffer no further consequences.

      Once you violate the GPL, your right to distribute the licensed software is terminated. You can only start distributing it again if the copyright holder relicenses you to do so. In GPL violation disputes, the FSF have normally relicensed a distributer once they conform to the GPL's requirements - but this is not automatic, or written into the GPL.

      From GPL v2:

      "4. You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License."

      There is no clause about reinstating rights under the license.

      In other words - if any of the copyright holders in Xubuntu code insist, the MPAA can't ever distribute their software, even with source. IANAL, so I don't know if the courts would support this hard-line.

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    2. Re:Encouraging result by swillden · · Score: 5, Informative

      but at the same time rather worrysome what a simple email to the ISP can do, even if it's for a good cause... A pile of court-issued takedowns might be a more impressive repellant against future violations of the GPL (or any other such license) than a pile of social-engineering-issued takedowns.

      We're not talking about a "social-engineering" takedown, but about a takedown notice defined and authorized by federal law, and enforceable in any court in the land.

      IMO, the takedown notice defined in the Digital Millenium Copyright Act is one of the few good things in that law. It says that if someone is publishing your copyrighted materials on the Internet, all you have to do is send a notice to the ISP, stating that the material is yours. The ISP is then *required* to take it down, or else be considered guilty of infringement. On the other hand, if the ISP does take it down, they are granted a "Safe Harbor" status, meaning that they're absolutely free of any liability for the infringement.

      If something you've published on-line is taken down as a result of a DMCA takedown and it is not infringing, all you have to do is send the ISP a notice stating that the material is not infringing. The ISP can then put the material back on-line, without losing the "Safe Harbor" status. The system is set up so that the ISP doesn't end up trying to determine what is infringing and what is not.

      Both the DMCA takedown notice and the counter-notice are sworn affidavits, meaning that when the issue goes to court any untruths in the notices can be prosecuted as perjury. So there's a strong disincentive for someone to issue a DMCA takedown frivolously, as it will cost the publisher almost nothing to get the takedown reversed, and may land the issuer in hot water. Likewise, there's a strong disincentive for a publisher of infringing materials to issue a counter-notice.

      And, above all, the ISP who is caught in the middle is shielded from any potential liability, and doesn't have to make any attempt to adjudicate the ownership of the materials (which, obviously, no rational ISP would do anyway -- if in doubt they'd just take it down and leave it that way).

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    3. Re:Encouraging result by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They won't care. There's currently the idea that some people are above, below or completely outside the law. Since they were involved in drafting some copyright laws they are of the opinion that those laws are not for them and are only for the peasants.

  6. Re:He should also sue... by sc0ob5 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyone that has GPL code in xubuntu and the tools that come on the CD should file copyright violation for $9250 per line of code shared.

  7. Possible deterrent? by sessamoid · · Score: 5, Interesting
    IANAL, but why don't OSS developers offer a GPL-free version of their software for some really high price. That way, when big-media tries to steal (their words, not mine) their creative works, the developers can sue them for legitimate damages, citing a stratospheric market price per copy, then multiply the number of CDs they've distributed by their stratospheric market price to get damages from them?

    "The MPAA/RIAA has distributed 1500 copies of my work. I offer that software at $50,000 per copy. They owe me 75 million dollars in damages!"

    That's basically what they big media is trying to do to the consumers, isn't it?

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  8. Re:Actually by poopdeville · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I saw no indication that the MPAA was hosting their own apt repositories with source. If you mean that sources.list was pointing at Ubuntu's servers, that's not good enough. That's Ubuntu doing the distribution.

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  9. Nomenclature, please by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead of saying they "violated the GPL", let's keep this simple. They violated copyright law. By their own definition, they're "pirates". They stole. Etc.

  10. Stop talking shit by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 5, Informative

    You do not have to distribute "changes in the form of a diff", or "distribute your code changes" in particular.

    You must distribute (or offer to) the complete source code corresponding to the binaries you distribute. The whole purpose of the GPL is that someone getting a binary can get the full source for the binary.

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  11. Don't think that's true. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are, in fact, a lawyer, I'll happily defer, but in my layman's opinion I don't think that's the correct conclusion.

    If you violate one of the GPL terms, your license to use the software is terminated. Fine. However, as long as the software is still being offered to anyone under the GPL, you can just go, conform to every part of the GPL, and use it again. You can think of it as one license being terminated, but then going and getting a new one; the GPL is an "infinite stack" of licenses: all you need to do to get a new one is to play by the rules.

    There's nothing in the GPL that says 'if you violate this once, you're out for good,' although I'm not sure that would be an entirely terrible idea. But that license-termination clause doesn't necessarily imply that.

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  12. Re:Except in one scenario by dwater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, it depends on what they changed. If they added code to phone home a lot with lots of personal information....that would be interesting from more than a purely academic point of view (IMO).

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  13. Re:aww... by RobNich · · Score: 5, Funny

    You wouldn't steal a handbag!

    You wouldn't steal a car!

    You wouldn't steal a baby!

    You wouldn't shoot a policeman

    and then steal his helmet.

    You wouldn't go to the toilet in his helmet!

    And then send it to the policeman's grieving widow.

    And then steal it again!

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