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PDF Is Now ISO 32000
It is official. As PDF Architect Jim King blogged today, Adobe has received word that the ballot for approval of PDF 1.7 to become the ISO 32000 Standard (DIS) has passed by a vote of 13 positive to 1 negative. A two-thirds majority is required to pass so it was a large margin of victory (93%). The vote breaks down as follows: Countries voting positive with no comments (9): Australia, Bulgaria, China, Japan, Poland, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine. Countries voting positive with comments (4): UK (13 comments), USA (125), Germany (11), Switzerland (19). Countries voting negative with comments (1): France (37 comments). Countries abstaining (1): Russia.
So where can I download an ISO of PDF tools?
We should rename the application "Freedom Bat Reader", to protest their no vote.
Rhymes that keep their secrets will unfold behind the clouds.There upon the rainbow is the answer to a neverending story
Another standard from our friends the ISO. I'm glad the .pdf is now a documented standard, but this doesn't really mean TOO much in the document world. It might convince a few pointy-haired bosses that .pdf is MUCH better than develpoing some internal document handling protocol due to the imposing and convincing sound the standard makes when spoken, but I know that most of the ISO standardization process is in name only.
Let's not get started about process and quality management and the yellow sticky of approval that is ISO-9000.
Great, now just make a reader that doesn't slow my system down to a crawl while opening a 100K document.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
I dunno much, but ISO 32000 ought to be able to record photos in the very darkest of dark places.
It's too bad they'll be saved as PDFs, I prefer to shoot RAW.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
I like Foxit on Windows machines. Incredibly small and lightweight and works in your browser.
They probably complained that the 'F' was at the end of the acronym instead of at the front.
Apple relies on Quartz and other built CoreImages to do their PDF rendering. So it works very well under OSX. They'd have to port everything to Windows first. Then you'd end up with a 90 MB "Preview.exe".
See also iTunes and Quicktime in Windows.
Russia:
"After long internal deliberation, we have arrived at an official position. We don't give a shit."
Umm, what isn't portable about PDFs?
I'll grant that it has it's uses but until the full version of Adobe is available for free, or even less expensive, to the masses, it seems to be not quite right.First, I assume you're talking about Adobe Acrobat, since Adobe is a company, not a product. The whole point of standards is that they do not rely upon any given implementation and anyone and everyone can make their own. Don't like Adobe's free product, get someone else's. I have both free and payware PDF tools from both Adobe and other companies. Do you want better free PDF tools, go ahead and code them, the standard is right there and the licensing to the patents is free. Heck there's even good set of GPL PDF libraries and code from the XPDF project.
I'd also certainly rather have a format that is a lot less file size intensive.You can make pretty small PDFs, depending upon what you put in them. Or, if you want smaller file sizes and are willing to sacrifice features, use postscript, it's been a standard for a long time.
To all mail users...no, you can't keep all of those emails with pdf's in your inbox without going over your quota.Mail quotas are so mid 90s. Disk space is cheap and so long as you're not using Exchange (which insists on keeping sometimes hundreds of versions of the same file around, since it is too stupid to just keep one copy for everyone) it is not like attachments are much of an issue anymore.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
It's sad that PDF, which seems like a pretty good format to me, has earned such a poor reputation. It has nothing to do with the format, rather, it has everything to do with the shitty software Adobe has put out to read PDFs. Sure, recent versions of Reader have improved loading time, and there are alternative packages available for reading, but the precedent was set around the time Reader 6 or 7 came out, as PDF usage was exploding. I grimmace everytime I see a link to a PDF on my Windows machine or on a Solaris workstation. Both have Reader installed, and it is a truly shitty piece of software: the load time is far too long (even with the latest improvements), it has embedded ads, the interface doesn't match the platform's Look & Feel well... the list goes on. Adobe could do a lot to spur the popularity of PDF by releasing a really high quality reader... but the damage may have already been too great.
Number could have been better. Should have been ISO 32768. And the OSS implementations could have been called 32Kib. So close, yet so far.
--Shemnon
NOOOOO!!! please not another upgrade. It nags me three weeks before an upgrade. NO, I DONT WANT TO FUCKING UPGRADE!!! And three weeks after an upgrade. I ALREADY FUCKING UPGRADED IT!!! Then it resets all my file extension defaults and starts opening everything in Acrobat Reader 8 even though I've told it a million times to open with Acrobat Pro 5. Fucking piece of shit must die.
Note to Acrobat developers, if anyone asks what you do, lie. It could be me. I will fucking kill you and then skull fuck you. I will kill your fucking family and skull fuck them. I will kill your fucking pets and skull fuck them. I will burn your fucking house down and find a way to skull fuck that too. And no jury will convict, they'll wish they had gotten to you first.
Sorry. The first hundred pages of my shit list are devoted solely to Acrobat. Deep breaths, deep breaths
It's not Apple's fault if Microsoft can't display fonts correctly.
*gets modded down by ignorant Windows users*
I have full ebooks with 200+ pages and lots of photographs and diagrams. 400-600K
That seems pretty decent.
The phrase "more better" is acceptable English. suck it grammar Nazis
Mac OS Preview isn't a PDF reader... Mac OS X is! Preview is, like, about 20 lines of code, considering that the entire PDF format is built into Core Image... or should I say: Core Image is built completely around PDF.
+5 for Adobe
+1 for Apple
-5 for Microsoft
-10 for Amazon (sorry Kindle, you're fucked)
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What a useless format, it's not even in XML.
The big one is of course forms. Do any other PDF creators create PDFs with forms? Do they do it well?
I use cutePDFcreator, Foxit, and a few others but they are missing the ability to create forms. Some do it; none do it well, IMO. Without forms it's just a static document. PDF is overkill for just a portable static document. The full version of Adobe Acrobat is fantastic at creating forms. That is what makes it so special.
Hello, nice site :)
Posted by: Brin | December 4, 2007 01:26 PM
I think Brin left a really nice comment. How he/she made it from MySpace to an article about ISO 32000 Standards is a bit confusing.
The Russians are waiting for PDF to vote for THEM...
If a buffer were the only thing standing between Real and certain doom, Real would never die.
I have no illusions however, they hate my fucking US guts
What the hell is wrong with you people? (Disclaimer : I'm French and I live in France). Why do Americans seem to love so much the idea that the rest of the world (and particularly the French and Arabs) hates them viscerally? The video you linked to was made by a bunch of liberal hippies who, just like all liberal hippies from San Francisco to Prague, like to bash George Bush, the military industrial complex and large corporations.
That doesn't mean we hate you, none of us hates you or America in here, you stupid fat pig!
Oh crap, did I say it out loud? I was supposed to "keep it under covers", like the sneaky Frenchman that I am..
You just got troll'd!
But then again, I know many French people, and they're opposed to proprietary software becoming an ISO standard, especially with patent and copyright as it stands now here in the US.
Dude, I'm French, I live in France, and not only do I not have an opinion on whether or not proprietary software becoming an ISO standard is bad, but I don't know anyone here or matter of fact anywhere who would have an opinion on this or even hear about such a process.
Where on Earth do you find your Frenchmen? And why on Earth do you all act like we're all behind this vote? We've got riots and strikes going on, but wait, PDF is about to become an ISO standard! Let's all stop burning cars to prevent this from happening! Merde, too late! What will become of us!?!
You just got troll'd!
I ask a simple question: How do you re-flow a PDF to fit your browser window? Oh, you can't?
Ummm, I think it's called "Fit Page Width" in Evince. Oh, Reflow? PDF is meant to retain document formatting. It works perfectly for desktop publishing attempts.
Word processing programs aren't for desktop publishing, but most WP programs continue to try to get pixel-perfect formatting. This is the largest complaint I get from reviews of OpenOffice.org -- that it doesn't keep the same exact document formatting that the MS Word version of the document had. The mentality confuses me no end.
Lyx and pdflatex all the way, babe!
Put identity in the browser.
Do not anger the worm.
This is very interesting considering I just heard about http://gnupdf.org/Goals_and_Motivations today. As I understand this project will allow editing of pdfs, a feature which is lacking in current FOSS pdf tools.
-Brandon
Quitters never win, Winners never quit, But those who never win and never quit are idiots.
Let me adjust those scores for you:
+1 for Apple
0 for Adobe
-3 for Microsoft
-10 for Amazon (sorry Kindle, you're fucked)
Changes I made:
Adobe lost 5 points for threatening to sue Microsoft the last time Microsoft tried implementing PDF in one of their products.
Microsoft gained 2 points for the same thing, but since they're an evil company, I'm not willing to give them more points.
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In Soviet Russia, ISO standard becomes PDF!!!!!
Actually, that would work. It becomes a PDF so people could read it.
Have we found an "in Soviet Russia" joke that doesn't work?
You moved your mouse. Please restart Windows for changes to take effect.
PDF was never intended to be edited, once published. The objective of the format it that it can be rendered as the author intended, not edited.
So now Americans need to save face. And bashing France at every turn is a way for us to do that. And making it seem like the French hate us is even better, because it justifies our behavior.
The reality on the ground is very different of course. I remember going to Normandie around D-Day 2004, and seeing all the American flags flying. I imagine they were mostly new additions because of the anniversary and Bush's visit, but still it would be hard to imagine an American city being decked out with French flags to celebrate an occasion here. A major street in Caen is still named "Avenue du Six Juin". It was instructive to see the American bluster about France forgetting what we'd done for her, compared to the quiet steadfastness on display there.
-Esme
The PDF specification is being approved by subcommittee 2 of technical committee 171. It has nothing to do with JTC1 and surely has nothing to do with SC34 of JTC1.
It's one thing for the average person to have no idea how ISO or IEC works, and to think the OOXML issue affects all of ISO, and to have no idea that IEC is just as affected by the OOXML issue as ISO is, but any respectable journalist should do some research and try to understand what they're reporting on.
The Inquirer should be ashamed to be associated with such bad reporting.