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PDF Is Now ISO 32000
It is official. As PDF Architect Jim King blogged today, Adobe has received word that the ballot for approval of PDF 1.7 to become the ISO 32000 Standard (DIS) has passed by a vote of 13 positive to 1 negative. A two-thirds majority is required to pass so it was a large margin of victory (93%). The vote breaks down as follows: Countries voting positive with no comments (9): Australia, Bulgaria, China, Japan, Poland, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine. Countries voting positive with comments (4): UK (13 comments), USA (125), Germany (11), Switzerland (19). Countries voting negative with comments (1): France (37 comments). Countries abstaining (1): Russia.
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So where can I download an ISO of PDF tools?
We should rename the application "Freedom Bat Reader", to protest their no vote.
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Can someone please explain to me what this means?
So when will ps2pdf17 be released?
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I don't suppose there's a link anywhere to read the comments, especially those of the lone dissenting country? I'm curious as to their reasoning.
Apple's QuickView and Preview app does a much nicer job of viewing PDFs. Adobe should totally get Apple to build their PDF viewer.
So, now the "not" so "portable document format" gains further acceptance. I'll grant that it has it's uses but until the full version of Adobe is available for free, or even less expensive, to the masses, it seems to be not quite right. I'd also certainly rather have a format that is a lot less file size intensive. To all mail users...no, you can't keep all of those emails with pdf's in your inbox without going over your quota. Save the damn things and delete the emails.
I reserve the right to think for myself. Others' opinions are optional. Puppy on lap = typos...not illiteracy.
Another standard from our friends the ISO. I'm glad the .pdf is now a documented standard, but this doesn't really mean TOO much in the document world. It might convince a few pointy-haired bosses that .pdf is MUCH better than develpoing some internal document handling protocol due to the imposing and convincing sound the standard makes when spoken, but I know that most of the ISO standardization process is in name only.
Let's not get started about process and quality management and the yellow sticky of approval that is ISO-9000.
But then again, I know many French people, and they're opposed to proprietary software becoming an ISO standard, especially with patent and copyright as it stands now here in the US.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Great, now just make a reader that doesn't slow my system down to a crawl while opening a 100K document.
Negative moral value of force outweighs the positive value of good intentions.
I dunno much, but ISO 32000 ought to be able to record photos in the very darkest of dark places.
It's too bad they'll be saved as PDFs, I prefer to shoot RAW.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
looks like that in january they were starting to do this, acording to an article in computerworld.
they said it would took from one to three years, so it looks like it was an easy decision.
they also say that adobe has had ISO standards for pdf a long time now, and suggests that it could have something to do with file-type standardization.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9009366/
I don't see him comparing document sizes or anything like - he literally complained that the reader slows down his system.
Russia:
"After long internal deliberation, we have arrived at an official position. We don't give a shit."
Is that with or without the new PDF ad scheme? I wonder how many other ISO standards have a clickable ad in the document as part of it's specifications. Is that a coincidence or what? Less than a month after they reveal the ad specs they are an ISO standard! What a racket!
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It's sad that PDF, which seems like a pretty good format to me, has earned such a poor reputation. It has nothing to do with the format, rather, it has everything to do with the shitty software Adobe has put out to read PDFs. Sure, recent versions of Reader have improved loading time, and there are alternative packages available for reading, but the precedent was set around the time Reader 6 or 7 came out, as PDF usage was exploding. I grimmace everytime I see a link to a PDF on my Windows machine or on a Solaris workstation. Both have Reader installed, and it is a truly shitty piece of software: the load time is far too long (even with the latest improvements), it has embedded ads, the interface doesn't match the platform's Look & Feel well... the list goes on. Adobe could do a lot to spur the popularity of PDF by releasing a really high quality reader... but the damage may have already been too great.
Number could have been better. Should have been ISO 32768. And the OSS implementations could have been called 32Kib. So close, yet so far.
--Shemnon
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I don't know about you but Adobe Reader 8 is quite a bit better than the previous versions (loads incredibly fast now).
Firefox?
The "Firefox Update" page is virtually my home page these days with the number of vital updates I need to be made aware of...
But I guess that means it's curtains (Windows, get it?) for Microsoft's PDF killer, XPS. Kill Google? Backatcha, Steve-o!
http://www.foxitsoftware.com/downloads/
The whole reader is 2.2mb, Adobe's is more than 10 times that and foxit still has the same functionality!
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
I ask a simple question: How do you re-flow a PDF to fit your browser window? Oh, you can't?
PDF is just PostScript Deluxe. It's meant for *printed* presentations - not for general document interchange. It's presentation layer only - no document model under the hood. It's so broken, so wrongheaded, and so last century, I hardly know where to begin.
At least OOXML supports a structured document model.
What a useless format, it's not even in XML.
The Russians are waiting for PDF to vote for THEM...
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AcroRd32.exe: The only program in the known universe which can thwart a "kill" signal from both user logoff and system shutdown.
PS: Parent is heavy favorite for "Post of the Year" honors.
Well, mostly; and, yes, I'm a bit of a whiner, and, I'm told, a douchbag too (whatever one of those is), but I think I'm right on this one!
The reason I hate pdf is that some companies tend to use it instead of plain html. Nokia, for example, use it on their Forum Nokia web site for pretty much everything, when plain html (plus a bit of css, perhaps) would do just fine. Perhaps they could supply the pdf as well for people who want to collect out-of-date copies (or want to view them offline or print them).
Max.
F*ckin' France
Get foxit pdf reader. It is 1/100th the size of adobe and 10 times faster. Adobe sucks!
Do not anger the worm.
Windows printer driver that outputs PDFs from any windows program that can print.Very handy.
Professional photography jokes, what a riot. Personally I would have gone for the cheap blind date advertisement joke... you know, "PDF is ISO 32000 ... likes tango dancing, long walks on the beach, and platform-independent compression of digital documents..."
This is very interesting considering I just heard about http://gnupdf.org/Goals_and_Motivations today. As I understand this project will allow editing of pdfs, a feature which is lacking in current FOSS pdf tools.
-Brandon
Quitters never win, Winners never quit, But those who never win and never quit are idiots.
I don't have time to RTFA before I go to work, but perhaps someone could answer these questions for everyone's benefit:
1. Is this the kind of standard that everybody can implement, or the kind of standard that will be used by PDF proponents to wave under the boss's nose and say "it's a Standard!" to get their format used over other (perhaps more open) formats?
2. Does the standard extend to all the extra that are in Acrobat Reader but not in most other PDF readers (forms, annotations, etc.)? In my experience, PDF works fine as a print representation of a document, but some people love to use it for forms that have to be filled out, or for attaching comments to a document you sent them, and this currently causes interoperability problems.
3. Why did France vote against?
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
ARTHUR:
If you will not show us the Grail, we shall take your castle by force!
FRENCH GUARD:
You don't frighten us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King, you and all your silly English k-nnnnniggets. Thpppppt! Thppt! Thppt!
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ARTHUR:
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FRENCH GUARD:
I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
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Is there someone else up there we could talk to?
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No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a!
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ARTHUR:
Now, this is your last chance. I've been more than reasonable.
PDF is a nice format, but they need to slim down the reader, and utilize its now aquired flash format. Macromedia was working on Flashpaper before Adobe aquired them and it was a pretty cool idea. Opening a flashpaper file was a snap and you could embed them in your web page if needed.
Yeah, well, that pretty much was the joke. Thank you for pointing out the terribly obvious film reference. You must be a hoot to watch something like Family Guy with.
Was it Microsoft introducing 125 remarks on behalf of the US?
The French would've surrendered eventually.
In Soviet Russia, ISO standard becomes PDF!!!!!
Actually, that would work. It becomes a PDF so people could read it.
Have we found an "in Soviet Russia" joke that doesn't work?
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> Because PDF works and can be implemented?
Are there any free software that can edit a PDF document?
Excellent. Now can we have a reader that lets me save a bookmark so I can come back to the same place later? I can't believe that nobody else wants to do that?
I did have some Javascript from an O'Reilly book that worked in an earlier version of Adobe Reader but it's broken in the latest version. Foxit Reader 2.2 doesn't seem to have this feature. Are there any others?
I wish my SLR did ISO32000
Won't somebody think of the children?
I have excellent Karma and I am not afraid to Troll it.
The standard for infusing tea serves as the way to judge quality for the purpose of international trade. Long before computers were invented, people produced and traded tea. It's still a big business, which means there are big contracts involving large amounts of money, and there are gonna be disputes over quality and so on. ISO provides a standardized way to estimate this quality so the disputes can be resolved fairly. That's the point of the organization.
Just curious, is Monty Python the genuine originator of the phrase "I fart in your general direction?"
So how do you get a round number ISO standard, instead of waiting in line and getting ISO13487 or somesuch? Who do you need to persuade?
Someone must have thought that ISO9000 and ISO32000 are going to be referenced often enough that they deserve easy-to-remember "vanity" numbers.
Or are they just going to tack three zeros onto each standard number from now: ISO33000, ISO34000, ISO35000, etc?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extinguish
If this were Fark, I'd give them a big "You're doing it wrong". Microsoft has gotten so bold that they they have done the extend first by creating a "standard" that nobody can implement, now they are in the embrace stage (although it's the other way around) trying to get the world to accept it as an open standard (hard to type that without laughing). If that ever goes through, you can bet that ODF will be the target and possibly the victim of the Extinguish.
They've got balls, I'll give them that. Or maybe it's just that they have chairs?
Thats right , leave it to the french to always be the ones complaining....
vive la paix mes estit grenouille!
Very true. Another reason PDF has a bad rap is because people use it for things which it's not at all intended for. For instance, at my university, it seems like word-processed documents given to students to print out etc. are generally .DOC (where PDF would be ideal) while scanned-in documents are always in huge, bloated, and slow PDFs (where DejaVu would be ideal and any decent image format would be better than PDF).
I have been waiting to read a mountain of PDF's. I like every other sane person refuses to use anything that hasn't got an ISO stamp.
Now if only firefox can get an ISO standard I will be able to go to no websites.
What is PDF (as an ISO standard) supposed to accomplish? Wasn't HTML created specifically as a document sharing protocol? I think it's pretty good stuff. Why not use HTML? The fact that PDF is read-only annoys me to no end. There are always clips of documents that I want to save/remember. I can quickly edit a saved HTML file to remove images or pages that I don't want on my hard drive taking up space. And this new standard... does it allow the new ads in PDF that I've been hearing about? *shudder*
There is also http://www.reportlab.org/ and open-source incarnations of RML (OpenRML and TinyRML). This is Python library, but works with Java via Jython.
Anyone think maybe Russia abstained as a cheeky protest against the arrest of Dmitry Sklyarov in 2001? Seeing it's an Adobe product, and PDF in particular.
He was arrested by the FBI in the US for DMCA Violation (which does not apply in Russia obviously), after Adobe complained about his production of AEBR for ElcomSoft, which cracks PDF passwords. No violation was committed on US soil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Sklyarov
One of my team mates at work calls it "Pretty Dumb File", probably with justification - you can do nothing else with it but for view and print it (Duh).
I guess it is one format I get to use quite a lot, anyway.
It's easy to create PDFs, but I have yet to find a piece of software that can import PDF and export it to another format without significant changes or random information loss. Has anyone had positive experience in this area?
The PDF specification is being approved by subcommittee 2 of technical committee 171. It has nothing to do with JTC1 and surely has nothing to do with SC34 of JTC1.
It's one thing for the average person to have no idea how ISO or IEC works, and to think the OOXML issue affects all of ISO, and to have no idea that IEC is just as affected by the OOXML issue as ISO is, but any respectable journalist should do some research and try to understand what they're reporting on.
The Inquirer should be ashamed to be associated with such bad reporting.
Use dvips -Ppdf then ps2pdf
The results ass as good as dvipdf, and you get to use eps files, pstricks, etc. It's a bit slower, though.
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You'll probably want to get a helper app for viewing docs from the above site, too. (And there are other front-ends, like KPDF.)
I wouldn't call it a document format so much as a graphics format. The design is much more oriented towards typesetting and layout for printers than electronic data exchange. It's allowable and actually fairly common for PDFs to contain only a set of (font) graphics and their locations on the page, with no reverse mapping to figure out what letters the font graphics represent. The only way to get data back out is for a human or OCR to read it. This was actually my job function for a significant part of 2005.
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> approval of PDF 1.7 to become the ISO 32000 Standard (DIS) has passed by a vote of
.pdf? >:(
> 13 positive to 1 negative.
"32000" is a nice, round number. Couldn't they use it for something more special than
> by a vote of 13 positive to 1 negative. A two-thirds majority is required to pass
> so it was a large margin of victory (93%)
Too bad normal laws aren't passed by a 90% supermajority.
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