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Postal Service Surcharge Could Slash Netflix Profit

mikesd81 writes "Boston.com reports that Netflix Inc., the largest US mail-order movie-rental service, may suffer a cut in profits if the US Postal Service starts charging extra to manually sort the envelopes that carry its DVDs. An audit prepared by the Postal Service's Inspector General last month recommended charging one unidentified company 17 cents per envelope for labor costs. Citigroup analyst Tony Wible, who said in a note to investors Tuesday that the company is Netflix, estimated the charge might reduce profit per subscriber to $0.35 from $1.05. Wible advises investors to buy Blockbusters shares because their DVD envelopes don't have the problem (floppy edges that jam the USPS's automated sorting machinery). Netflix says the whole thing is no big deal and they will change their envelopes if necessary."

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  1. well, there is a simple solution for that by jacquesm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    simply distribute them digitally :)

    I'm sure that people won't mind downloading them and it will save some $.

    feel free to report any abuse on http://ntlgl.com/ ;)

    1. Re:well, there is a simple solution for that by prestonmichaelh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure that people won't mind downloading them and it will save some $.

      I disagree with this. I would mind downloading them and I am computer guy/nerd/whatever. I don't want to sit in an uncomfortable office chair in front of a PC to watch a movie for 2-3 hours. I have already setup my TV, DVD Player, Surround Sound, etc. so I can sit on my comfy couch to watch movies. I also don't want to have to either purchase fancy speakers, etc for my PC (I don't play games, so I have no real need for them) and I don't want to have the hassle of trying to hook a PC up to my TV. Although I know all it would take would be a few cables and it isn't that hard to change the video source, I would have to have the following:

      1. A PC to hook up to the TV (assuming I don't want to move mine from my desk in my home office)
      2. Either a video card with an S-Video out or a TV with a VGA input
      3. A way to make sure the PC was quite, but wouldn't overheat and could fit in my TV cabinet and still look nice (so my Interior Designer wife wouldn't freak out about the computer sitting on the floor next to the TV)
      4. A wireless card for the PC, since I use a wired connection right now because my DSL modem/router is right by my PC and there is no cable run to where the TV is.
      5. Some sort of remote for the PC, since there is no real good surface that is convenient and/or close by to use a mouse (assuming I had a wireless one) on.

      Sure, I could watch it on my computer, but I just don't like it and feel that (other than here on slashdot) I am not in the minority. I also, like most people (again other than those on slashdot) don't have a media center type PC hooked up to my main living room TV. I know how to do I, and could do it, but it is a lot of hassle and expense when I can just rent/buy dvd's and put them in my already connected DVD player (that, by the way, I don't have to worry about security updates, blue screens, Linux configuration files, hard drive failures, etc.). Maybe as the media pc "appliances" become more common, this will become more of a reality, but I think right now, most people just don't want to watch a downloaded movie. (and don't even get me started on the likely DRM issues that would come with such a service)

    2. Re:well, there is a simple solution for that by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So it will work fine on my mum's new MacBook and my Linux box then?

      A) They say they are working on Linux and Mac support so they are either lying or telling the truth. Assuming they are telling the truth then what's your beef? The fact that the OS with >85% market-share was the first one they released the product for? Would you have focused your R&D dollars on releasing it for Linux or Mac first in their shoes?

      B) How is it the fault of Netflix if the studios/copyright holders refuse them a license for digital distribution UNLESS the resulting distribution medium imposes DRM? Blame the studios and not Netflix.

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    3. Re:well, there is a simple solution for that by Skreems · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the car market, Toyota doesn't own the other 90%?

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  2. A Non-Story? by pyite · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So Netflix says they'll change the envelopes. So really it's a non-story as there's no fundamental problem shipping them if Blockbuster can do it without having a surcharge forthcoming for them too.

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  3. Re:Netflix says they will just change the envelope by timster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Note that this "analysis" is from a guy who's been recommending Blockbuster stock over Netflix stock for a while, and that's been looking like a really dumb recommendation lately. The scenario described in the article -- where Netflix takes no action to rectify a problem that would destroy all their profits -- is unreasonable on its face.

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  4. Related to net neutrality by noidentity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This gives a good contrast with net non-neutrality. In this case, the envelopes (apparently) cost more to process than the postal service planned on. That's understandable since it's a fairly new thing to be shipping such mass quantities, so the postal service hasn't yet made a new category to cover it. So this isn't the postal service attempting to charge a customer more simply because the customer is making more money than another customer shipping the exact same envelope. Contrast this with net non-neutrality where the carrier wants to charge more to the more popular company per bit simply because that company has deeper pockets or is more profitable than some other company also transporting bits through the carrier.

  5. Just remove the monopoly, and regulate the market by farnz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a simple answer to that though; instead of giving the USPS a monopoly, require all mail carriers to provide fixed-fee service to the entire country. Don't limit how the carrier does this; a carrier concentrating on urban service could (for example) pay the USPS to handle remote areas, and eat the loss whenever it leaves its own delivery area; if it's got a process advantage over the USPS (such as better sorting systems), it may not make a loss whenever it does have to pay the USPS to fill in coverage gaps. To protect the USPS from abuse, once you're a mail carrier, you may not make use of another carrier's fixed-fee services (so you'd need to negotiate a suitable commercial contract with the USPS to fill in your coverage gaps).

    If postal services are a natural monopoly, the USPS ends up as the only carrier. If there's room for someone to undercut the USPS, they will do so, and make a profit in the process. So long as the USPS isn't stupid enough to set its rates below the level where they can continue to make a profit on every delivery, it survives to provide fill-in coverage.

    Put another way; the USPS is a monopoly because we want reliable postal services at a fixed rate, anywhere in the country. If we regulate for the outcome we want, and let private enterprise do as it wishes within those regulations (with business-destroying penalties for flouting them), we should get the results we want for the minimum price possible. If that means a USPS monopoly, it's clear that the monopoly is a consequence of our desire; if it means competing carriers, then the monopoly was an inefficient way to get what we wanted.

  6. Re:Netflix says they will just change the envelope by Kelson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not only that, but the post office will probably prefer that solution to actually charging them the extra 17 cents to hand-sort.

    Compare:

    Cover the cost of extra work
    vs.
    Eliminate extra work

  7. Re:There's more to it than that. = Subsidizing by Zymergy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Having previously worked for the US Postal Service DELIVERING ACTUAL MAIL, I can tell everyone here that the flimsy (though protective) tyvek Netflix-style DVD-sleeves are not a favorite with USPS workers.
    They can be rather slippery and are often difficult to keep a good grip on within a large stack of sorted mail.
    I have no doubt that similar US Postal Workers have had identical frustrations not to mention that the thicknesses of the disks really add up and complicate the holding the 2 to 3 piles of hand-held mail when preforming dismount-delivery (on foot).
    As a postal worker, you come realize this 5" square (and thick for its area) Netflix-style DVD envelope is being delivered by you many dozens of times per day (or more) and the disks *are* slipping out of the letter stack more easily than other types of mail when delivering mail 'in the field'.
    You also realize that this Netflix-style mailer is NOT bringing the First-Class postage rate (but you spend MORE of your time handling it than the premium First-Class letters).. They do not even pay second-class or media-mail rates but a pre-sorted postage rate. Also, in all likelihood, the Netflix-style DVD mailer is causing just as much trouble for the automated sorting machines in the postal distribution centers. It also is not difficult to imagine that these odd-shaped and slippery (for mail) DVD mailers therefore must be handled by 3 to 4 more sets of human hands to get accurately delivered compared to the handling and delivery for standard premium first-class postage envelopes. Netflix, et al are probably paying at least half-as much to have them delivered as they would cost if delivered first-class (if even that). Even my credit card-statement comes First-Class!

    If the profitable business models for these DVD rental/mailing companies is dependent on US Government (USPS) mailing subsidies, I suggest shareholders beware.
    Individuals in the US, mailing their personal letters are *required* (most of the time) to use First-Class postage stamps (or equivalent). These same individuals are experiencing increasingly HIGHER POSTAGE RATES because, in large part, they too are subsidizing the added expenses of delivering Netflix-style mailers and other bulk non First-Class mail.)
    Ask your postal worker what they deliver more of, First-Class mail, or "bulk mail"... you will see in their expressions the real answer to why we see the frequent postage rate hikes.
    Shape and size of mail DOES have much to do with the *costs* and efficiencies in the delivering of the US Mail. I only wish the prices for mailing were adjusted accordingly (as we would all have MUCH LESS junk mail). -Z