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Mars Rover Technology Used to Make Better Maps

Cal writes "An article on the O'Reilly Radar site discusses a new street mapping technology by a company in Berkeley called earthmine. They are using technology developed by the Jet Propulsion Lab for the Mars Exploration Rover missions for reconstructing three-dimensional data of the street-scape. 'The licensed software and algorithms are used to create a 3D representation of the local terrain, allowing autonomous routing of the MERs through the Martian environment. earthmine has combined this JPL technology with its unique, capture hardware and web delivery technology to deliver 3D data with unprecedented density and accuracy.'"

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  1. Navigation works really well. by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Funny

    My car has so far lasted 6 times longer than its original mission lifespan and I am halfway to the local shop.
    I should reach it by June (providing my solar panels don't get dusty).

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  2. Exclusive license for federally-funded research? by bn0p · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the press release referenced in the article "The agreement with JPL and Caltech includes an exclusive and perpetual license for photogrammetric technology that allows for the creation of very dense and accurate 3D data from stereo panoramic imagery. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed, but Caltech has taken an equity position in earthmine." [emphasis added]

    OK, CalTech owns part of earthmine and JPL is at CalTech. That's fine, but didn't tax dollars pay for the technology developed at JPL? IANAL, but it *used* to be that federally-funded research needed to be made available to everyone - not licensed in perpetuity to a private company. When did this change?


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  3. Re:Trouble on the Horizon by QuickFox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just wait until they realize how detailed the actual streets are, and how terrorists could use them for planning. They'll issue orders that the actual streets be blurred.

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  4. Only reads news titles by moondo · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Mars Rover Technology Used to Make Better Maps".... Does this mean it doesn't make better maps any more? //Didn't RTFA.

  5. Re:Exclusive license for federally-funded research by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IANAL, but it *used* to be that federally-funded research needed to be made available to everyone - not licensed in perpetuity to a private company. When did this change? It didn't change, at least not in my lifetime. I still remember there being a bit of brouhaha over the GNU licensing of linux ethernet drivers (by Donald Becker I think) and parts of beowulf clustering written under contract to NASA over a decade ago. Lots of corporate entitlement types were PO'ed about the GNU licensing of that stuff because it went against long-standing tradition and they couldn't easily privatize that work and charge us over and over again for what had been paid for with tax dollars to begin with.
  6. Googleearth by PenGun · · Score: 4, Informative

    These people even look at googleearth?

      Googleearth 4.2 does very accurate 3D mapping if the res is high enough. I have found nearly invisible old trails and use it's 3D powers daily. Very cool to fly down the valleys on Vancouver Island at an apparent height of say 300 meters looking for ways through to the next logging road network. I've found nearly invisible crossings through ravines and it is killer for my purposes.

      I dunno how they can do much more than bring up the resolution.

    1. Re:Googleearth by PenGun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You buy the enterprise version for that. Does area etc. The free version does very accurate distance measurement. It shows my 30' fith wheel as 30'. Shows logs I have visited at their actual length. I dunno what more you need. I'll get the plus version to import GPS data when I go a crusin' this spring.

        Yamaha WR450F and Vancouver Island with Googleearth + GPS. Hard to beat for crazy fun ;).

    2. Re:Googleearth by NathanBFH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you underestimate the power of the technology JPL is using. I remember being enthralled with the Mars missions in the weeks preceding and following the rovers' landings. I even downloaded the public applications that JPL made available that allow them to process/view the 3D data that comes back from the rovers. It really is of a completely different quality than what Google provides. I wish I could find the links, but maybe someone else has them?

  7. Close range photogrammetry by sas-dot · · Score: 2

    In the recent past (1- 2 decades) remote sensing satellites become capable of capturing 'stereo images' with accurate 3d measurement of features. close range photogrammetry has been there for a long time even before satellites for 3d measurements. It looks like this technology uses many close range photogrammetry lenses (covering 360 deg) to capture image, and use algorithms for geometry transformations and calibration. Hence suitable for applications using spatial measurements like public utilities. Lens distortion / calibration etc could be still problem. Remember even NASA, used to move the Mars rovers after a great deal of analysis and study. (every day they use to move few centimeters are so)

  8. Re:Exclusive license for federally-funded research by Rakishi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What's the point of federal funding in the first place if the goal is simply to produce marketable research? First of all the government often pays for things it wants itself such as nice new weapons that current technology is not yet capable of providing (see DARPA or NASA). Second of all capitalism is not perfect thus the "generally" part and paying for basic research is not something capitalism does that well. You can consider the government to be investing money by paying for research while trusting capitalism to help out.

    The government can in theory pay less to have something developed by not also buying the results outright but simply the ability to freely use the results itself (as the university can finance the rest itself due to it's potential future worth). This is slightly akin to paying someone partially in stock instead of cash.

    Let's say the government wants a shiny new fighter jet. It can on one hand pay 100% of the R&A costs and production costs at $100 billion total for the full run then release the (non-classified) results to the public. It can on the other hand pay $50 billion but let the company own the resulting technology which it then incorporates into it's civilian planes. I'm sure you'd be bitching about the government wasting money if it went with the first option.
  9. why would taxes increase? by zogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your posit is that our governmental expenses would go up. I say the exact opposite would happen, if the results were "open sourced", a variety of different people and businesses could take advantage of the new knowledge, expanding jobs and opportunities many fold over just the one company who would have exclusive "license" to use this new knowledge for x-years. I don't care how big your company is, it isn't as large as "everyone". "Everyone" will always have more points of view and a larger collective intelligence to tap into. And all these companies and people would pay taxes based on an increase of wealth production. Governmental expenses could theoretically go *down*, or they could take the new additional monies created, at the same exact previous percentile parity, and fund more research than what they could previously, the compounding effect.

    Closed source is a valid model, but open source allows for faster development and more "wealth production", even if it is initially just more IP. Heck, even the heart of capitalism agrees now, look at the next article, NYSE goes open source. It works with code, it can work with a variety of other types of new research as well. A group of Nobel Laureates just called for more international collaboration with scientific advances, because they think it would work better,a free exchange of results, rather than stricter and more closed-off research. Other smart guys are calling for dropping the economic barriers to expensive peer reviewed articles. I would agree there as well.

        Me, I am gonna trust the smart guys on this one. When you have both the planet's leading and honored professional smart guys AND the planet's leading professional and quite well compensated shrewd big money guys actually agreeing on something, a simple basic premise...well..you wanna bet against the house? The uni can make more by sharing (long run), because as you and others all give out-share- "you" the uni in this case- get to take back as well, because everyone's efforts can be "force multiplied", and that multiplied force down the road can and will turn into money, along with other things, these research results we all want to see.

  10. Re:why would failure increase? by zogger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Youtube is success. There are winners and stinkers mixed up in the huge offering there, just as you would expect, but overall it is successful. Open source software is a success, winners and stinkers, but so it goes. People are free to look at what doesn't work and what does and improve on it. Closed source you get winners and stinkers, but it is much harder to get to the nitty gritty details to see how to improve it, you have to wait for the limited set of eyeballs to do it.

    Really, if you want an historical example, just look back in history with closed guilds, commoners being disallowed the ability to read, etc. The called it the dark ages for several reasons.

    As to "risk", with closed source you are relying on faith, a cult like behavior model, to insure your product you are getting is "good quality" and depending on their word alone for that. that's like believing the used car salesman in the seersucker suit. Nuts. Which means they have every economic incentive to push to you the strangest crappiest stuff imaginable and lead you to believe that is the "best" that can be done. My comment there is Orly? For some reason I am just not trusting the snakeoil-caveat emptor model, which is what closed source and closed knowledge is, you have to have "faith" that what you are getting is the best and will work. I say that is much riskier than being able to actually see and verify (in some fashion) all the ingredients.

    I run linux now because I can get the most and best code out there for the best price and least effort. I could run windows I guess..and I have.... in the past, along with a lot of macs/apple code..but no way am I going to pay serious folding scratch to run inferior code, not in 2007 where there are so many great open source avenues to explore. I'm not a dev or a coder, hyst a regular normal computer criver, I've used all three, for me, linux works the best for a variety of reasons cost/quality/usefulness/ease of use, etc. I can get the most bang for my total hardware/software buck, and it just so happens it is "open" mostly, and I don't think that is purely a coincidence.

    I contend that same concept can work with most any research, in fact, I think this is why when you read academic papers you'll see cross university collaboration with the authors so much, because *it just works*. And like I pointed out, the nobel guys say the same, and the hard nosed wall street bean counters just analyzed it and came up with the same. The NYSE guys don't give a rats ass on the social implications, they just looked to see where the best bottom line was, and switched to open linux over closed unix. I am not in their league, chances are you aren't either. I'll defer to the smarter guys on this one. Open knowledge just works better, closed off walled knowledge-gardens are not only last years models, they are last millenium's model.

    You can be ahead of the curve, behind it, or try to stay on top, pick one that suits you the best.