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Mars Rover Technology Used to Make Better Maps
Cal writes "An article on the O'Reilly Radar site discusses a new street mapping technology by a company in Berkeley called earthmine. They are using technology developed by the Jet Propulsion Lab for the Mars Exploration Rover missions for reconstructing three-dimensional data of the street-scape. 'The licensed software and algorithms are used to create a 3D representation of the local terrain, allowing autonomous routing of the MERs through the Martian environment. earthmine has combined this JPL technology with its unique, capture hardware and web delivery technology to deliver 3D data with unprecedented density and accuracy.'"
My car has so far lasted 6 times longer than its original mission lifespan and I am halfway to the local shop.
I should reach it by June (providing my solar panels don't get dusty).
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If it used to make better maps before then I'm sure it could do it again. Pitiful thing is probably just feeling very isolated and abandoned.
From the press release referenced in the article "The agreement with JPL and Caltech includes an exclusive and perpetual license for photogrammetric technology that allows for the creation of very dense and accurate 3D data from stereo panoramic imagery. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed, but Caltech has taken an equity position in earthmine." [emphasis added]
OK, CalTech owns part of earthmine and JPL is at CalTech. That's fine, but didn't tax dollars pay for the technology developed at JPL? IANAL, but it *used* to be that federally-funded research needed to be made available to everyone - not licensed in perpetuity to a private company. When did this change?
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Cue asshat politicians and bureaucrats to order this service dumbed down or removed because of the potential use by terrorists.
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Mars Rover Technology Used to Make Better Maps
Maps? Like such as the Iraq?
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
This sounds like the ideal mapping project. Everytime I need to find some place in a new environment, it is always difficult to tell some building apart. And I do believe that Google Inc. is going to make some significant investment in this technology (if not buying it out entirely).
BUT! (Yes, there is always a BUT to every good news.) Anyone think that the NSA or the Homeland Security is going to be ok with this? I mean...Google Inc. already got in trouble with the NSA and Homeland with the 3D building thing in Google Earth. I believe incorporating this kind of detail into the map (especially in area they deem 'vulnerable' targets) would only bring more questions and problems with the Feds. The NSA and/or Homeland is going to make some argument about how realistic the map look and how potential terrorist can use it to plan large scale attacks, and they would probably try to put as much restriction on this if possible (if not shutting it down entirely). Just some thoughts.
"Mars Rover Technology Used to Make Better Maps".... Does this mean it doesn't make better maps any more? //Didn't RTFA.
This is one of the best ways of appropriating your tax dollars next to guns and drugs.
Cue the rightwingers who always leap in to claim that company X needs to have a monopoly over product Y to recoup their costs for R&D which were actually paid by someone else, most likely the public.
Have a look at all the wonderful medication you financed that is being sold back to you at twice the price compared to any other civilized country because you're dumb enough to eat up every word bigCo tells you. The market is always right and is always the most efficient solution to everything.
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These people even look at googleearth?
Googleearth 4.2 does very accurate 3D mapping if the res is high enough. I have found nearly invisible old trails and use it's 3D powers daily. Very cool to fly down the valleys on Vancouver Island at an apparent height of say 300 meters looking for ways through to the next logging road network. I've found nearly invisible crossings through ravines and it is killer for my purposes.
I dunno how they can do much more than bring up the resolution.
In the recent past (1- 2 decades) remote sensing satellites become capable of capturing 'stereo images' with accurate 3d measurement of features. close range photogrammetry has been there for a long time even before satellites for 3d measurements. It looks like this technology uses many close range photogrammetry lenses (covering 360 deg) to capture image, and use algorithms for geometry transformations and calibration. Hence suitable for applications using spatial measurements like public utilities. Lens distortion / calibration etc could be still problem. Remember even NASA, used to move the Mars rovers after a great deal of analysis and study. (every day they use to move few centimeters are so)
The government can in theory pay less to have something developed by not also buying the results outright but simply the ability to freely use the results itself (as the university can finance the rest itself due to it's potential future worth). This is slightly akin to paying someone partially in stock instead of cash.
Let's say the government wants a shiny new fighter jet. It can on one hand pay 100% of the R&A costs and production costs at $100 billion total for the full run then release the (non-classified) results to the public. It can on the other hand pay $50 billion but let the company own the resulting technology which it then incorporates into it's civilian planes. I'm sure you'd be bitching about the government wasting money if it went with the first option.
So you want everyone's taxes to increase to counteract this loss in money from non-government sources?
I actually read Jet Repulsion Labs** serveral times over, to bad i was wrong.
** JRL / Jet Repulsion Labs - from Pinky & the Brain!
In other news, i'm shocked that Google doesn't know about JRL.
Guess they've already got the world domination kit.
Hivemind harvest in progress..
Best of all about this is that it demonstrates once again that UNmanned spaceflight has just as many technology spin-offs as the manned variety... and if you get 5$% of the results for 1% of the outlay and almost infinitely less risk to human life, there's just no point sending humans.
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What do you mean not those kind of maps??
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Your posit is that our governmental expenses would go up. I say the exact opposite would happen, if the results were "open sourced", a variety of different people and businesses could take advantage of the new knowledge, expanding jobs and opportunities many fold over just the one company who would have exclusive "license" to use this new knowledge for x-years. I don't care how big your company is, it isn't as large as "everyone". "Everyone" will always have more points of view and a larger collective intelligence to tap into. And all these companies and people would pay taxes based on an increase of wealth production. Governmental expenses could theoretically go *down*, or they could take the new additional monies created, at the same exact previous percentile parity, and fund more research than what they could previously, the compounding effect.
Closed source is a valid model, but open source allows for faster development and more "wealth production", even if it is initially just more IP. Heck, even the heart of capitalism agrees now, look at the next article, NYSE goes open source. It works with code, it can work with a variety of other types of new research as well. A group of Nobel Laureates just called for more international collaboration with scientific advances, because they think it would work better,a free exchange of results, rather than stricter and more closed-off research. Other smart guys are calling for dropping the economic barriers to expensive peer reviewed articles. I would agree there as well.
Me, I am gonna trust the smart guys on this one. When you have both the planet's leading and honored professional smart guys AND the planet's leading professional and quite well compensated shrewd big money guys actually agreeing on something, a simple basic premise...well..you wanna bet against the house? The uni can make more by sharing (long run), because as you and others all give out-share- "you" the uni in this case- get to take back as well, because everyone's efforts can be "force multiplied", and that multiplied force down the road can and will turn into money, along with other things, these research results we all want to see.
How long until they map out paper delivery routes? I would't mind the local paper delivered by robot. And maybe even pizza delivery, it will have to cope with roving packs of dogs and teenage hackers. Can we program the GPS in cars to recognize dirt roads, dead ends, and of course too narrow streets?
Now, Miss South Carolina will be able to find Olympus Mons and Valles Marineris.
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I sent a link to all the idiots that I know who cry that money spent on NASA is wasted. Here is a clear example of current space technology trickling down to benefit the masses. Governments contracts be damned.
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My 3D has more density than your 3D.
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Youtube is success. There are winners and stinkers mixed up in the huge offering there, just as you would expect, but overall it is successful. Open source software is a success, winners and stinkers, but so it goes. People are free to look at what doesn't work and what does and improve on it. Closed source you get winners and stinkers, but it is much harder to get to the nitty gritty details to see how to improve it, you have to wait for the limited set of eyeballs to do it.
Really, if you want an historical example, just look back in history with closed guilds, commoners being disallowed the ability to read, etc. The called it the dark ages for several reasons.
As to "risk", with closed source you are relying on faith, a cult like behavior model, to insure your product you are getting is "good quality" and depending on their word alone for that. that's like believing the used car salesman in the seersucker suit. Nuts. Which means they have every economic incentive to push to you the strangest crappiest stuff imaginable and lead you to believe that is the "best" that can be done. My comment there is Orly? For some reason I am just not trusting the snakeoil-caveat emptor model, which is what closed source and closed knowledge is, you have to have "faith" that what you are getting is the best and will work. I say that is much riskier than being able to actually see and verify (in some fashion) all the ingredients.
I run linux now because I can get the most and best code out there for the best price and least effort. I could run windows I guess..and I have.... in the past, along with a lot of macs/apple code..but no way am I going to pay serious folding scratch to run inferior code, not in 2007 where there are so many great open source avenues to explore. I'm not a dev or a coder, hyst a regular normal computer criver, I've used all three, for me, linux works the best for a variety of reasons cost/quality/usefulness/ease of use, etc. I can get the most bang for my total hardware/software buck, and it just so happens it is "open" mostly, and I don't think that is purely a coincidence.
I contend that same concept can work with most any research, in fact, I think this is why when you read academic papers you'll see cross university collaboration with the authors so much, because *it just works*. And like I pointed out, the nobel guys say the same, and the hard nosed wall street bean counters just analyzed it and came up with the same. The NYSE guys don't give a rats ass on the social implications, they just looked to see where the best bottom line was, and switched to open linux over closed unix. I am not in their league, chances are you aren't either. I'll defer to the smarter guys on this one. Open knowledge just works better, closed off walled knowledge-gardens are not only last years models, they are last millenium's model.
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Any time we discuss UAV-based monitoring, someone would always bring up Big Brother. Any time there is a talk about detailed databases (government or corporate), there will is talk of totalitarianism.
But collecting of very precise maps of every square meter of the ground (including all the stuff lying on it at the time of survey) does not seem to offend anyone...
I don't really agree with the doom-sayers personally, just pointing out an inconsistency here.
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... you'll still never be able to re-fold them properly to put them in the glove box.
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PTStereo does just that. It is part of panotools, but unfortunately the author has not released its source. (PTStereo was only one of a few components of Panotools that is only available in binary form).
I've used autopano-sift (with Hugin as a front end) to automatically create and match the features points, and PTPicker's Delaunay triangulation to make the triangles. PTStereo then outputs a VRML file that can be read in to Blender (or any number of VRML reading programs) using this VRML importer.I now have my 3D triangle mesh textured model in the modeling program. You can do whatever you want with it from there, such as measuring its volume, rigging it to be animated as a CGI element in a movie, analysing the terrain of a mountain to find the best hiking route to a summit, having it be an obstacle for Blender's fluid simulator. There's no limit.
This issue I have with Google Earth, Photosynth and Earthmine, is that you are limited to their datasets, and they tend to only make 3D models of cities and buildings, and low resolution images (compared with photographs) of mountains taken from above only. Sketchup is a step in the right direction, but PTStereo allows you to do Image Based Modeling from your own images.... and it's free!
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