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Deluge Anonymizing Browser Now Includes Bittorrent
markybob writes "An open-source bittorrent client, Deluge, now provides an internal, anonymizing browser to protect its users from overzealous ISPs. The client runs on Windows, Linux and OS X. From the site: "Everyone knows that it is common practice for ISPs to do their best to either block or throttle bittorrent users. We believe that this is wrong and unethical, as there are many legal uses for bittorrent. If an ISP is throttling or blocking bittorrent traffic, you can pretty much bet that they're tracking which users visit bittorrent-related sites so that they can better block or throttle those users." Their forum has more info"
Don't click: Minicity link. This is getting so boring...
Hahahaha! You'll never catch me, SCO weenies!
"Deluge BitTorrent Client Now Includes Anonymizing Browser"
And to be exact, this is Deluge 0.5.8RC1
these minicity links have to be the lamest trolling slashdot has had in a while.
most are funny, these just suck.
the links to both the source code and the debian package is broken...
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Small correction: The Mac OS X version uses X11, not Cocoa.
CDE open sourced! https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
In related news, semantically reversed article headlines now include slashdot!
Also, the summary is highly misleading. This is not a bittorrent-based replacement for TOR as one might conclude from the summary. The browser is merely designed to conceal the IPs of people surfing websites hosting torrents by going through a proxy. You also see ads while using the service. I wonder how long it will take ISPs with an anti-bittorrent agenda to block their proxies... Quoting TFA's FAQ:
Yeah, sorry, I tend not to tolerate ads in my browsing experience, why should I put up with them for torrent downloads? Also, I thought ad-supported p2p programs went away with KaZaa?
and...
I think this falls under the categories of "Why should we trust your servers?" and "Whitelists suck."
I say this every time the subject of p2p apps comes up: solutions such as these simply add to the arms race between ISP and file-sharers. In the end this will solve nothing. Instead of attempting to out-tech Big Content there should be a focus on improving consumer rights.
Then again this could be an attempt to to show that ads and donations may be a way to support the distribution of content via BT.
God, schmod. I want my monkey man!
Almost a year ago I switched from Comcast Cable Modem to AT&T ADSL just to save money. My BT traffic wasn't throttled then (though I see stories that now Comcast is throttling it at least in some areas), and it isn't throttled now. So I don't know that it is a common practice, would like to hear of all ISP that do so, please post your experiences. I'm 30 miles north of Chicago.
BitTorrent works just fine behind a typical "firewall." It is not necessary to accept incoming connections, especially with a well seeded legitimate torrent. If you can't download with BitTorrent at all then you have a problem with your firewalls policy not the firewall per se.
It's not a horrible method of distribution. Its an excellent method of distribution, especially for free software. Thats why it is being used for such distribution.
Not sure what makes you think it's fine at home - my ISP (eclipse.net.uk) throttles bittorrent traffic, and every time I try to leave a download going overnight I find my connection totally dead in the morning, with no traffic at all. Seems like they are trying very hard to stop it. Not I desperately *want* to be a responsible internet user and use P2P to download linux distros (especially the smaller ones who can least afford to provide bandwidth) but it's very hard. One day I'll switch to a different ISP. But who? Where is there reliable information about who does and doesn't throttle bittorrent, which doesn't get out of date?
43 - For those who require slightly more than the answer to life, the universe and everything.
my professor has a video camera tape every lecture and then the students distribute it through bittorrent, use your head, quit giving anonymous cowards bad names!
i am not able to download the windows version. anyone else having the same issue? cheers
Just download the iso's at home.
I use Mandriva, and although I have seen a push to try to get people to use torrents, I still find that there is quite a large number of FTP mirrors available, and thanks to more people using bittorrent, they are a lot faster than they used to me. I use FTP to download my Linux ISOs, because I only have a 1 mbit/125 kbit connection. That low upload speed means that I have a very hard time getting really good torrent speeds. Meanwhile, with FTP, I can usually max out my connection. Even when I do max out my connection with bittorrent, it means that the my internet is unusable while it downloads, because my upload is being saturated, and I can't send ACK packets fast enough. At least that'S what I think is going on. I have noticed that it's a teeny bit harder to find the FTP links, but every distro I've downloaded in the past year has FTP mirrors. And that includes Fedora, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Gentoo, SUSE, and probably a couple others. What distros do you know of that don't have FTP mirrors?
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Why the hell are comments like this marked insightful?
*waaa* I can't download via p2p, all the free stuff I want, at work
Either go home and do it, or work with your IT. If you have a business need to download linux distros, it's up to your ork IT to provide that to you. If you don't, well, go suck at Microsoft's teat.
I used to run a firewall, and I allow out what is business appropriate. If that includes bit-torrent, so be it.
Sounds like you need some QOS handling on your local router.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
Doesn't that imply that those ISPs to which they refer are actually trying to block or throttle those users who are using BitTorrent to download copyrighted works? Most "BitTorrent sites" I've heard of are for copyrighted works. Seems the ISPs are trying to be selective.
Don't get me wrong: I think blocking shouldn't be their concern, but the post does seem to imply that some ISPs are at least trying not to blindly block or throttle everyone.
AFAIK, WOW (World Of Warcraft) uses BitTorrent to spread their patches to the customers -- and afaik #2, there are loads of them (wow customers) ...
yush
Oh, possibly, but I don't have the energy to set one up. I just download my Linux distros via FTP, and throttle those to 3/4 of my max speed with the FTP program, and everything works fine. I just checked my ISPs home page (Rogers Ottawa) and they are now offering 18mbit/1mbit connections for $99.99 a month. If my cable/internet/cellphone bill wasn't already through the roof, I might consider upgrading. Funny how they can put out such a fast service, and not even have their customers know about it.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Let's put it another way: there are some firewall administrators who aren't BitTorrent friendly. If you work in a company that has such a firewall and you have a problem with BitTorrent, you should take it to the IT administration. Oh, wait, perhaps your problem is that the IT people in your company aren't Linux-friendly? Then download at home and bring a CD or DVD to work.
The one big advantage BitTorrent has is that it avoids slashdotting the server. Traffic doesn't concentrate, it has a much gentler effect both on the servers themselves and on the internet backbone as a whole, because you end downloading more from those peers that have more bandwidth.
That's not a good use of bittorrent... their torrent seeds suck the big one, because they're totally saturated and get about 1kbps peak rate. Everyone just waits until the mirrors are available.
Yup, you're correct. WoW does use it for patches and updates. Given that the patches are at least 100megs in size and there are 9.5million subscribers I'd say it's one of the better examples of a problem for which BitTorrent is the ideal solution.
Is there a good solution for filtering out unwanted torrents, like pirated movies, software and games, while still allowing wanted torrents like Linux distros and other open source programs? Something that didn't work on a whitelist/blacklist would be pretty nice. Although I guess such a solution doesn't exist. The problem with bittorrent, is that the illegitimate uses far outweigh the legitimate ones, which is why most places of work will block bittorrent.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Sorry, I call bullshit.
Bittorrent is designed to only give the fastest rates to those that also share. That means those behind no firewall or a very permissive one (since it can use just about any port depending on the tracker). Many trackers won't even let you connect at all unless you have the right upload ration, and those that do will throttle you to hell and back.
If you want to download something large use FTP. It's designed for downloads, it works well, and doesn't have all this throttling bullshit.
Everyone ?
.. roughly i'd say it was about 450kb/sec on average whenever i was downloading a patch.
I was subscriber from day 1 of eu release till last june or so and i personally *never* downloaded a patch from a mirror. And i always got download speeds of 300-900kb/sec
yush
If your firewall won't even allow a program to listen on a port, you're not going to be using the internet. At all.
And most trackers couldn't care less how much you upload, only private trackers care, and even then, some don't.
FTP is horrible for large downloads. You're downloading from one server, which is also serving other users, and so must split up bandwidth, etc., while torrents allow you to download from many sources. Plus, if the FTP server goes down, you're either stuck using a mirror that gives you 10 Kb/S, or not downloading, while a torrent won't go down as long as there are people downloading/seeding.
Believe it or not, there are still millions of people out there who have only dial-up at home. If downloading a Linux distro at work doesn't interfere with work, then why not download it while on the job using your only access to broadband? You don't have to sit there with your thumb up your ass watching the thing the whole time.
Blizzard have only one seed that means that *Everyone* downloads from the same source. It can take literally days to download the patches - that's why Wow attempts to download in the background rather than do it all at once. The last patch was downloading for *two weeks* before they made it live and I still had 40% of it to do.
900kbps is >100mpbs. Unless you're actually *inside* the blizzard data centre I call bullshit.. that's faster than most people get on the LAN.
Using those same complaints, FTP should be discouraged:
1. "Most uses are illegitimate". At this point in the game we call the Internet, every new file transfer mechanism is likely to be adopted by pirates first. Yarr. But we both know they still use FTP where needed, and I'd wager there's more illegal FTP servs than legal.
2. "isn't exactly firewall friendly". That's right, FTP isn't firewall friendly. It has crazy rules for control connections vs data connections. The saving grace here is that FTP is not encrypted, so snoops can determine which port needs to be opened to which NAT'd device. Many people claim that Deluge is able to break through most any firewall, as it uses random ports and full stream encryption. If your corporation can firewall that, hats off; maybe ask your helpful IT staff what they can do to help you get your job done faster. That's what they're there for right?
3. "Makes a horrible method of distribution" I dare say this more sense for FTP than BT. FTP places a huge demand on the provider. Many popular but free download projects use BT to reduce the amount of bandwidth and pure CPU load from serving crowds of thousands or more. RedVSBlue used BT, Blizzard uses BT (a much larger use case than Linux ISOs), Valve's Steam updates use it, the SubPop music label (made famous after contracting Soundgarden and Nirvana) uses BT to distribute videos and promo music for their artists. If this is a terrible method, it's a terribly popular one.
If you need a legitimate use of this feature, consider Miro aka "Democracy player". As the original name suggests, it's supposed to allow unfettered access to information that might be suppressed in a authoritarian regime. A proxy is one more way to protect its users from oppression. Not a perfect one, but still an arrow in the quiver of resistance.
Of course, you are right that this really helps people who might live on say a campus, where they've given up on throttling BT itself and instead blacklist trackers. I happen to live right next to one, but I haven't lived on campus in years.
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A good firewall doesn't allow any incoming connections. There's simply no need to. You need to learn how firewalls work.
I actually have a server based in a datacentre I can test on. With the firewall up bittorrent maxes out at about 5kbps and frequently stalls and dies. Open up ports for it and it goes up to about 400kbps max.
FTP can saturate the link at 10mbps+ download. Every time. It's *much* more efficient.
Picture if you will a pasty-white geek who has written some software. "The service my software provides puts people who use it at risk," he muses, "How might I protect those who may not know how to protect themselves?"
Suddenly, a light goes off. Or on. I think it goes on. Anyway, he thinks, "I could integrate a browser that accesses a limited number of related services in such a way as to provide a safety net for the non-nerds whom I appreciate so well!"
Time passes. "Oh, fuck. This is going to cost me money," the nerd thinks, "How can I provide this service when it costs me money, and I need to buy Ramen?"
Another lightbulb does its thing. "Advertisement!"
There you have it. If you don't like it, cut pasty-dude a check.
Please stop stalking me, bro.
It isn't necessary to accept incoming connections to "share." You can do that just fine with only outgoing connections to peers. The tracker can't "throttle you to hell and back" as it plays no part in the choking done by peers. The tracker merely introduces peers to each other.
Also, "ratios" enforced by trackers is only done by pirate sites. The purpose being to ensure there are seeds for infringing torrents because nobody wants to be left "holding the bag." Legitimate torrents have dedicated seeds, so there is no danger of the torrent becoming unseeded if downloaders aren't forced to stick around long after they are done downloading.
BitTorrent was created specifically because of the problems with FTP: the number of simultaneous downloaders with FTP is limited by the publishers network connection. With BitTorrent you can have about three orders of magnitude more simultaneous downloaders for the same amount of bandwidth, when you include the tracker traffic. That is revolutionary.
It's true that there's only usually one seed (unless you leave it on and don't install the patch) but it's not true that you're the only downloading from one source. You download from your peers as you go, not only the seed. That's one of the main advantages of bit torrent..
Huh? Do you have any idea how BitTorrent works?
The best solution, ofcourse, is to switch to a less zealous ISP. But that is not always possible: I, for example, find myself subletting an
apartment that comes with horrible, horrible Comcast DSL (who actively reset with your TCP connections).
In these cases say Aye, matey and hook up to the swedish Pirate Party's Relakks VPN service (as seen on Slashdot)
to get past your pesky ISPs rules. It's also be very useful if you use coffeeshop wireless a lot and your email provider still requires plain-text passwords.
Arrr, we be lootin' again!
So these guys let/suggest you use their proxy, essentially creating a central database of torrent sites, account information and statistics on what torrents were downloaded from where (and importantly when).
I really hope this does not catch on.
Sir, Chuck norris calls you bullshit. 10 Megabit cable connection (pretty standard here) gives ruffly 990kb/sec transfer depending on the sender's connection and protocol used. (For example, 990kb/sec is the top speed i can get from ftp.funet.fi which is few hops away)
Personally i never used background downloading in wow and at the time of the patch going live, there where so many seeds already available that having only 1 official seed from Blizzard didnt really matter. Comparing the "patch" downloading to x amount of Sony mmorpgs, ultima, Anarchy online and few others that i've played, i do consider WOW's to be done best and sir, you can call bullshit on that too.
yush
I call bullshit, Tony Hoyle has no idea what he is talking about or he is just trolling.
Do you think FTP can saturate your 10 mbit link when its downloading from my FTP server sitting on a 384 kbit up DSL line?
There's no such thing as intellectual property. They're intellectual property rights - property rights that work on intellectual goods. A "property right" (as opposed to a "liability right") is the right to exclude, rather than just receive damages. When we talk about intellectual property rights, we're talking, literally and only, about the right to exclude - not about something that you "own."
ever heard of Upnp? and maybe they jsut don't want to have to PAY for you to download the distro (as in bandwidth fees)
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Which linux distros offer bittorrent only?
How does the firewall policy in your workplace make one protocol better or worse?
How does the ratio of legal vs illegal content make one protocol better or worse?
Do you realize bittorrent has catched on already?
Do you realize there is one terribly common scenario (PC with enough cycles but not enough outgoing bandwidth) where scatter gather p2p beats ftp hands down?
---- MISSING MISCELLANEOUS DATA SEGMENT --- [sigdash] trolololol
I've seen it used legitimately plenty of times, but that's not the problem I have with it. My problem is, why should I spend a week downloading a Linux ISO from Bittorrent, when I can download it off the official mirror in an hour? Currently downloading one now that I couldn't find elsewhere, 80 peers, 72 of those seeds, no firewall, no NAT, but I still can't get more than 4KB/s down...when I'm uploading at 43KB/s.
How are you defining "legitimate"?
The announcement suggests a similar inversion of ethical and legal when it says "Everyone knows that it is common practice for ISPs to do their best to either block or throttle bittorrent users. We believe that this is wrong and unethical, as there are many legal uses for bittorrent."; does this mean that if there were no legal uses BitTorrent would be "wrong and unethical"?
Digital Citizen
The headline was obviously written in Soviet Russia.
After all, I am strangely colored.
Okay, so you're downloading Linux distributions at work? If this is something you are doing for your company, you should be able to have some influence on the firewall, perhaps have a machine in the DMZ to facilitate these types of downloads. If you are just leaching the company's bandwidth to download distros for you own use, I can't work up much sympathy.
In either case, another alternative is to run an ssh server on you machine at home, assuming you have broadband. Connect to it from work, run the torrent client on your machine at home, then transfer the image file to work through the ssh tunnel. Again, if your company needs these torrents, you should be able to get compensated for your bandwidth. Who knows, you might be able to get work to pay for your ISP's bill.
Yeah, I'm getting pretty annoyed with these distros making all this software available to me for free in every sense of the word and then choosing to distribute it to me - for free - in a manner that reduces their bandwidth costs, which aren't free.
Why don't you try ordering a boxed set of the distro you are trying to download from behind your corporate firewall and pay for it with your company credit card. They could use the money to pay for some bandwidth and maybe get those ftp servers back up.
I don't care why you're posting AC
Your numbers sure don't sound right.. but maybe it will gradually kick in a higher download rate. Perhaps you are one of those who needs the program the article was talking about ?.. I have usually found that with new releases of popular distros, bittorrent to be faster than FTP
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Link to the OSX version on their site is broken. Anyone know of a mirror? (email is gregnorc@gmail.com)
Probably means that they want to appear progressive when it comes your regulating authorities, but don't really want to provide that service on a significant scale. Then they can say, "See? We offered it and nobody bought it." I don't know about Canada, but down here they pull that kind of crap all the time.
The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
We don't single out users, we monitor nodes, which many customers are attached to. If a node is exceeding healthy levels (different nodes have different max levels, there's no one set "healthy" level) then that node is shaped until the traffic goes down.
My comments here are my own; I do not speak for my employer.
Not that I know of. Get the $60 or $80 business full package and they don't care what you do with it.
-uso.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
On Linux/Unix, Deluge's internal browser uses Gecko, which is Mozilla Firefox's engine. On Windows, Deluge uses IE 7. Why? Although it would've been far easier for us to have the same browser backend, the Mozilla people have chosen to not care about GTK+ applications on Windows and have made it almost impossible to support outside of C#. Bug them, not us. For various reasons I haven't moved to Linux.
For various other reasons I refuse to use MS non-OS apps when possible.
IE7 is one of my 'when possible' items.
I'll take my chances with my ISP tracking me.
I call bullshit too. I played WOW for 18 months and my wife still plays now, and the torrent patch downloading has always been an absolute joke.
You'd think for a game that pulls in roughly 6,000,000 * $15 a month (that's $90 million dollars a month to save you the math), the cheap bastards would have a decent server to download from rather than have the audacity to use other peoples bandwidth on a game people are paying a monthly fee for.
I'm sure all developers at Ubuntu and OpenOffice.org are so angry that I am taking their hard work for free.
The right to protest the State is more sacred than the State.
you're wrong.
kbps = kb/s = kilobits per second
mbps = mb/s = megabits per second
Kb/s = kilobytes per second
Mb/s = megabytes per second
900 kilobits (informal notation: kilobyte = 1024 bytes)
bits 921600
bytes 115200
kilobits 900
kilobytes 112.5
megabits 0.87890625
megabytes 0.10986328125
gigabits 0.000858306884765625
gigabytes 0.000107288360595703
terabytes 1.04773789644241e-07
petabytes 1.02318153949454e-10
Doesnt that go against the whole "Net neutrality" argument? -Red
Guns don't kill people, "with glowing hearts" kills people.
People should use a regular browser with an open proxy if they wish to be (more) anonymous.
I use Be (bethere.co.uk). Its ADSL2+, so you can get up to 24mb, unlimited for £18 a month. Im pretty sure they dont throttle torrents, but I dont download many. I get up to 2mbps down from a good ftp mirror (eg: heanet)
To give you those "free roads" you drive on, the government charges you taxes. To give out free services, charities accept contributions.
I doubt many of the gimme,gimme, free software takers actually develop anything substantial or contribute anything, apart from annoyance.
Perhaps with time people will mature in their outlook and freely contribute better than they do now: "Hey I like service x or software y. Here's $20 to say thanks!". This is not yet happening but perhaps it will one day.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
How can FTP be '*much* more efficient'? Every single client is connecting to the one and the same server, ffs! No, FTP can be as quick if the server has a decent upload pipe. But for anyone that pays for upload, bittorrent is much more efficient use of bandwidth.
Most important, copyright and "intellectual property" is no longer necessary for those who are doing the making. I have first-hand experience with the transformation from the creative equivalent of an indentured servant into an artist that has control over my own product and income. Step one was examining just how corrupt and useless the current system has become. Step two was learning about Creative Commons, direct to public domain and other innovative approaches to distributing work and getting paid for it. Step three, at least in my case, was "profit!!" (of course).
The experience has also radicalized me in terms of how I see not only the way artists support themselves, but also how I view the entirety of economic life in these United States (and beyond). Reading Adam Smith and Milton Friedman and comparing their words with the actuality of 21st century life, has convinced me that the entire system of "free markets" "supply and demand" and "the unseen hand" are all so much baloney. It's all been a dodge to keep those of us who work for a living from noticing that we're getting less for working more while our bosses are gaining wealth and producing less.
Notice how the the bosses (executive vice-presidents) at Circuit City have been forced to accept mere 1 million dollar bonuses (called "retention awards") this year because their company has performed so poorly. If any of us were to perform so poorly, we'd get pink slips instead of six-figure Christmas presents. To complete the picture, notice how Circuit City has unceremoniously fired their most experience sales staff, who were earning as much as $14.00 per hour, and then offered them their jobs back a $9 per hour and no benefits! The French Revolution was not so long ago that these "executive vice-presidents" can't learn a few lessons regarding what happens to people who oppress a working class. Hell, some of them must have seen V for Vendetta.
You are welcome on my lawn.
While the anonymization may be useful for other reasons, if your problem is filtering by your ISP then a better solution is, if possible, to get a different ISP. If you keep giving them your money, then not only do you seem to be implicitly consenting to their behavior, you're actually financially supporting it.
Now I realize that in some places people may really have no reasonable choice, but it's been my experience that many people who live in an area where there is a choice still go with providers (e.g. Comcast) who do this sort of stuff because they have the best nominal price to bandwidth ratio. When those people complain about filtering, unstated caps, etc., I have very little sympathy. Don't like it? Vote with your wallet. I hate the behavior of these ISPs and pay extra for an ISP that is much better behaved. I really burns me that others who have a choice and should know better keep giving money to these jerks.
"You call it a new way of thinking; I call it regression to ignorance!" -- Operation Ivy
Maybe, but just about every ISP blocks port 80 inbound these days, and I *need* static IP, so I'd rather pony up more for the $79.95 business account, instead of the $37.95 residential.
-uso.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
I have a feeling many of you people complaining about poor download speeds just don't know how to configure your bittorrent client or router. With my upload capped to around 8-10kb/s (384kb dsl connection), I ALWAYS get max transfer rates on popular torrents like Linux distributions. Sure, each individual peer/seed I'm connected to only uploads around 3-5kb/s but when there are so many of them its easy to get good speeds. I also have the peace of mind that comes from knowing I'm lowering bandwidth costs for free software developers.
you speak for the 0.001% of torrent users that are not abusing others copyright...
Demon Internet. I can suck down a complete distro from a .torrent at apparantly full speed, and probably do so at least twice a month with no problems whatsoever.
For what definition of "best"? This is terrible writing. I would subtract a full letter grade from any undergraduate paper with that phrase by the second semester of first year.
It's a pretty simple matter if you control the hardware to set up an ISP's network so that no peer-to-peer packets are exchanged whatsoever.
I guess the implication is that "best" has something to do with not being quite so blatant. Another step or two down this path, we could just as easily s/do their best/strike a balance/ "between bandwidth hogging torrents and other network usage".
But oh no, that might change the hat colour of the venal packet packers that be, and apparently hat colour was the core sentiment for posting this story in the first place. Juvenile. Not their best, not even close.
The best client out there for Linux users with Gnome (KDE users can look to kTorrent). Been using it for some time.
-- Lattyware (www.lattyware.co.uk)
Granted, you'd have to have other, uncensored peers, but it might be nice if compatible clients were willing to proxy for each other.
Of course, it'd have to be a well-written and optional feature. Such code would probably introduce security risks if it were not properly implemented.
I had given up on using BT for Linux ISO transfers as they would take me down to 33KB/s no matter my encryption settings. After trying Deluge, I saw full-pipe transfers at 500 KB/s. Succes! (Or so I thought.)
I retryind Azureus and it too was showing full speeds -- even with crypto disabled.
Methinks Comcrap has learned a lesson. I was about to leave them for an ADSL provider or until AT&T gets their fiber to my door (it's underway in my alley).
Zen. Usage is capped (unlimited for the business accounts) but until you hit the cap the bandwidth is totally unthrottled. But it aint the cheapest...
"One of the problems with "Free Software" are the take, take, take folk. Ultimately if you value something you should support it, either financially by direct payment or by recognising that it needs money (eg putting up with ads)."
And if you value free movies, music, games, software, and books? then you should...oh wait! Isn't that how this mess started in the first place?
In Capitalist America, Copyright abuse you! HAHAHA HOHOHO
...The fire is slowly dying,
Merrry Christmas!
And, my dear, we're still good-bying,
But as long as you love me so,
Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow!
What?
Sometimes (opensource?) software projects get ahead of themselves. Stick to what you're good at. Improve the code, make the program faster, leaner, smaller, but there's no need to add in completely unrelated and extemporaneous features.
An anonymous browser built in to a bittorent program? Ugh. With ad-support?!? I just puked into my mouth a little. Make a separate program for that crap, or at the very least make it an optional plugin (with no signs of it or adding resource usage otherwise).
Please Deluge creators and maintainers... you've created a fantastic open-source bittorrent program. Don't ruin it and turn it into another bloated slow Azureus.
This is my favourite software to pirate.
You can steal a lot of stuff here, too.
The problem is you're defining 'efficiency' in a very limited and incorrect way. True, FTP is good at transferring a large chunk of data from exactly one host to exactly one more. But that is a trivial problem these days; Any network programmer could easily write a protocol/application that sends data from a server to a client as fast as the bottlenecks will allow. And yeah, that's "efficient," in a way because it maximizes your resources. But efficient peer-to-peer downloading is much harder. I suppose a 100% efficient p2p download ecosystem would be one where each and every downloading peer is saturating his download speed. FTP has *no chance* of ever achieving this for popular files, and could never near the level of data transferred on popular trackers without absolutely massive investment in geographically disparate clusters and bandwidth (e.g. akamai). BT accomplishes for free what could otherwise cost thousands of dollars for a content distributor. It sounds to me like you don't understand how BT works, or you're upset that it's the wrong tool for what you use it for. Anyways, if both your bittorrent clients are configured correctly, and the downloading one is the only one receiving from the other, you should achieve very similar speeds compared with FTP, as it just uses HTTP for sending data. Given your clear ignorance on firewall issues ( A good firewall doesn't allow any incoming connections. Really? How does such a host serve requests or recieve replies to sent packets? ), the disparity you report is probably best explained by PEBKAC issues.
Small correction: The Mac OS X version uses X11, not Cocoa.
I don't see where Cocoa is mentioned in the summary, or linked articles. Was the summary/article silently updated - or were you correcting your own assumption that an OS X binary must be cocoa?
There are shills on slashdot. Apparently, I'm one of them.
I am running FireFox with NoScript and I had to turn off the script block for the root site to allow the windows link to work. Hope that helps.
-- You are in a maze of little, twisty passages, all different... --
Don't go with Rogers if you're hoping for fast Bittorrent speeds. I have their most expensive package available here in London. We get 30 kB/s down as our average peak (it will occasionally shoot up to 300-400 kB/s for about a minute) even on torrents with loads of peers and seeders. A lot of the time they come in at dial up speeds. It takes forever to get the share ratio over 1 on large torrents. I'm planning on switching to DSL even though it's slower over all as far as I know Bell doesn't throttle speeds.
For the record, I wouldn't care if Rogers throttled my torrent traffic simply to protect other traffic. I use VoIP for my home phone, so I understand that. But there's no reason my torrents should be coming in this slow. They're ripping me off as far as I'm concerned.
As for the article.. I don't really get the point of anonymizing the browser traffic. Aren't the MAFIAA figuring out who to sue by simply joining the torrents and making a list of the IP addresses in the swarm?
And why not just use Tor?
You can do a fair job of filtering by simply watching volumes of traffic. It's like office supplies: most workplaces don't mind if you print out a few things on the work printer, or nab a few paper chips. But if you're sucking up 30% of the company's external network traffic for a week, well, you deserve a talking to and possibly a reprimand, unless it's for something very clearly work based and justifying the load.
I agree with your FTP gripes. Given HTTP, and WebDAV over HTTP for uploads, there is simply no excuse to run a modern FTP site. The only things such HTTP sites don't support well are links, either symlinks or hardlinks, and if you need that go to using rsync.
minicity url. gack
It just occurred to me that... are you... the RIAA? I mean it seems ridiculous, you're clearly not going to change anyone's mind, but who the fuck thinks like that? Are there actual human beings who don't realize bittorrent has legal uses? Or is this some kind of RIAA campaign to shame people into obedience? The latter is so absurd it just seems possible.
Unknown-00-0d-94-ed-6b-11:~ apple$ sudo port install deluge ./build.sh " returned error 1 /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin8/4.0.0/../../../libSystem.dylib unknown flags (type) of section 9 (__TEXT,__dof_plockstat) in load command 0 /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib unknown flags (type) of section 9 (__TEXT,__dof_plockstat) in load command 0
---> Fetching boost-jam
---> Attempting to fetch boost-jam-3.1.15.tgz from http://downloads.sourceforge.net/boost
---> Verifying checksum(s) for boost-jam
---> Extracting boost-jam
---> Configuring boost-jam
---> Building boost-jam
Error: Target org.macports.build returned: shell command " cd "/opt/local/var/macports/build/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_ports_devel_boost-jam/work/boost-jam-3.1.15" &&
Command output: ###
### Using 'darwin' toolset.
###
rm -rf bootstrap
mkdir bootstrap
cc -o bootstrap/jam0 command.c compile.c debug.c expand.c glob.c hash.c hdrmacro.c headers.c jam.c jambase.c jamgram.c lists.c make.c make1.c newstr.c option.c output.c parse.c pathunix.c pathvms.c regexp.c rules.c scan.c search.c subst.c timestamp.c variable.c modules.c strings.c filesys.c builtins.c pwd.c class.c native.c w32_getreg.c modules/set.c modules/path.c modules/regex.c modules/property-set.c modules/sequence.c modules/order.c execunix.c fileunix.c
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
Error: The following dependencies failed to build: boost boost-jam gmake gettext expat libiconv dbus-python25 dbus docbook-xml-4.1.2 xmlcatmgr libxml2 zlib pkgconfig xmlto docbook-xml-4.2 docbook-xsl getopt libxslt dbus-glib glib2 py25-gobject python25 py25-numeric py25-gtk gtk2 atk cairo fontconfig freetype libpng render xrender XFree86 gtk-doc perl5.8 scrollkeeper docbook-xml docbook-xml-4.3 docbook-xml-4.4 docbook-xml-4.5 p5-xml-parser jpeg pango Xft2 xorg-xproto xorg-util-macros tiff xorg libglade2 py25-cairo py25-xdg py25-zlib
Error: Status 1 encountered during processing.
Sure bittorrent has legal purposes. Just as marijuana has therapeutic uses. Now who do you think the majority of the marijuana uses are? Cancer patients or potheads? Same thing with bittorrent. While people do download Linux ISOs and other legitimate things, they're in the minority (quite likely are an even greater minority then the cancer patients in my above example).
Does anyone cry when a thief steals from a thief? But you say that jmcnaught isn't stealing? Well neither is his ISP, they're simply providing a bad service to pirates.
Net neutrality is not one size fits all network service, if anything the current consumer pricing models are subsidized and not representative of the true cost each user puts on the system. It's statistical multiplexing mixed with a bit of bad advertising.
People should have no problem paying reasonable rates for things like the ability to run an HTTP server, a static IP (with RDNS record for a domain of your choice), SSL certificates, etc. People should also have no problem paying reasonable rates for the transfer they actually use (As opposed to paying for the transfer someone else is using while you aren't), the ISPs walked into this situation with the "pool of money" model and now it is biting everyone in the ass.
I'm IT and I resent being called an ork! We're much more trollish
I didn't say I was pirating, did I?
That's weird, because even on my 1mbit/125kbit Rogers connection, I get faster speeds than that. Might be something wrong with your configuration. Or something wrong with your local service. Up here in Ottawa, I don't know anybody who's ever had a problem using bittorrent. I often max out my connection to 120 KB/s when downloading torrents.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Reading this, i can't help but think about all the rage about terrorists and the ensuing surveiliance & control paranoia. As much as i'd like things to get better in a peaceful way, i sometimes wonder if it is possible.
Here in France, it really seems that the government is commited to go down this road. I feel powerless, i really have no idea about what i could do to push things in a better direction.
Perhaps I am behind the times. What is a minicity link? I found myminicity using google, but what, does he get a referral bonus for people clicking or something? Or is it a shock site?
Just curious.
They don't grade fathers, but if your daughter's a stripper, you fucked up. --Chris Rock
I did a tad bit of reverse engineering on their proxy. It's a spare server from some consulting company (147932-web1.dipconsultants.com) running a Squid configured to check for the string "Deluge BitTorrent" in the user agent. Not only that, but it sends the X-Forwarded-For header, as can be seen with a simple script: http://germantown.enanocms.org/headers.php. False sense of anonymity if you ask me.
Also, their URL filter doesn't seem to whitelist sites at all, or if it is a whitelist, it's a pretty wide one. I posted this message through the proxy. Target.com, fark.com, and christmas-cookies.com all worked fine through the proxy.
--Dan