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How To Tell If It's Really Titanium

With the growing popularity of titanium, some disreputable merchandisers are passing off other materials as the more expensive metal. Popular Science looks at a surefire way to prove what that credit card/crowbar/ring is really made of. "Hold any genuine titanium metal object to a grinding wheel (even a little grindstone on a Dremel tool will do), and it gives off a shower of brilliant white sparks unlike any softer common metal. The sparks are tiny pieces of cut titanium--the friction of the grinder heats them till they burn white-hot. Hold a grindstone to the shackle of a "titanium" padlock from Master Lock, however, and you'll instead see the telltale fine, long, yellow sparks of high-carbon steel."

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  1. is there a better way? by pwizard2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The method in TFA sounds like it would really scratch up whatever you're trying to test. Is there a way to run a test without damaging the object?

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    1. Re:is there a better way? by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, there is a better way, and your concern about damaging expensive objects - particularly jewelry - is quite justified. Simply send the object to one of my two testing centers (conveniently covering both hemispheres - one is located in Russia, the other in Africa) and we will send you a full report of the object's composition.

      Dan East

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    2. Re:is there a better way? by ByteSlicer · · Score: 4, Informative

      A laser spectrometer can do this for you. It will still create microscopic damage though.

    3. Re:is there a better way? by necro81 · · Score: 5, Informative

      How much are you paying for that service? For $30,000-40,000, you can buy a handheld x-ray fluorescence analyzer. These things got started in testing for lead paint, and now get used to test and check for lots of things - including alloy composition verification. An XRF shines x-rays of a known energy at the test sample, then detects and analyzes the spectrum that is reflected back. Each element has a characteristic x-ray emission spectrum based on the energy of electrons dropping into lower shells. In 10-20 seconds, you can get a really good breakdown of the elements in the test sample.

  2. Oh great... by grassy_knoll · · Score: 5, Funny

    Think the store will mind if I bring a dremel with grinding wheel to the store with me? For testing purposes of course...

  3. Re:color, texture, weight by Alaria+Phrozen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wtf is with these fake links? Do you get money or something for that stupid city?

  4. Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apparently my wife's jewelry was all genuine titanium!

    1. Re:Good news by niceone · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lock up the dremel before you go to sleep tonight.

  5. Density test by Ostsol · · Score: 3, Informative

    If the object in question is constructed from a single material, then a density test should work. Use water displacement and a scale to determine the volume and mass, respectively. From that you can calculate the density and compare the value to the actual density of titanium. Of course, this won't work if the object merely has titanium components and it cannot be disassembled. . .

    1. Re:Density test by g0dsp33d · · Score: 4, Funny

      It still works for electronics though! (you'll prove something is dense)

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    2. Re:Density test by g0dsp33d · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its not too hard, you can try it from the comfort of your tub with a toaster.

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  6. He also runs periodictable.com by Ed+Pegg · · Score: 4, Informative

    The author of this Popular Science article, Theo Gray, also recently relaunched http://www.periodictable.com/ Thousands of elemental pictures and videos are available there, all linked in with his Popular Science series.

  7. Ow! Shit! by schon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man, I just tried this with a new package of Energizer Tianium, and the spray burned a hole through my skin!

    You can be sure I'll be returning these "titanium" batteries just as soon as I'm back from Emergency!

  8. A few simple ones by BlueParrot · · Score: 5, Informative

    a: Titanium is not ferromagnetic, and hence it is not attracted by magnets as strongly as iron is ( the difference in force should be orders of magnitude ).
    b: Titanium's density is 4.5g/cm^3 , iron is 7.8g/cm^3
    c: Titanium is corrosion resistant to dillute sulfuric and hydrochloric acid, iron is not.

    1. Re:A few simple ones by florescent_beige · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's hard to determine the density of something like a ring because even if you weight it you don't know its volume. But there is a way around that, weigh the item in air then in water and take the ratio of the weights. A jewelry store would be more open to that idea than coming at the thing with a power tool. Here's the arithmetic: volume of item = v density titanium = d_t density water = d_w weight in air w_a = v*d*g weight in water w_w = w_a - v*d_w*g w_w/w_a = (w_a - v*d_w*g)/w_a = 1 - d_w/d_t plugging in d_w = 1 g/cc d_t = 4.5 g/cc w_w/w_a = 1 - 1/4.5 = .78 If it's steel: w_w/w_a = 1 - 1/7.8 = .87 Most jewellers would have a setup that can weigh something immersed in water, it's how they tell themselves what the material is. If they say they don't then you are probably being had.

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  9. Interesting! by Poromenos1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next up: Test if your explosives have gone bad by detonating them.

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    1. Re:Interesting! by BlueParrot · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you know of a more reliable way, I'd like to hear about it. No, seriously.


      Physics to the rescue:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitzur-Vaidman_bomb-tester
  10. GRIND THIS! by denzacar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently, Google has "interesting" sense of humor regarding titanium products.

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  11. Titanium: not recommended for rings by steveha · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I read a story about a couple who loved bicycling (and loved their titanium bicycle frames). They decided to have rings made from titanium.

    One day the guy had some kind of accident, and his ring finger was mashed; it swelled up badly. They took him to the emergency room. In the ER, someone got out the cutters to cut the ring off the swollen finger. Whoops, titanium. The cutters (probably simple diagonal cutters) had no problem with the usual soft gold rings, but titanium was too hard! They wound up getting a Dremel tool or the equivalent and cutting the titanium ring off (very carefully, I imagine).

    The moral of the story: if you get a titanium ring made, maybe you should wear it like a necklace.

    P.S. Merry Christmas everyone.

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    1. Re:Titanium: not recommended for rings by Nexzus · · Score: 5, Funny

      About 18 years ago, I was on an underwater oil-drilling rig, when the mission we were "tasked" to perform by the navy went horribly wrong, and the rig started taking on water. I was running frantically running through cold freezing water towards a closing hydraulic door. I didn't make it in time, but I stuck my hand in the opening, and the door was stopped by my titanium wedding band. A colleague had found me, cut the hydraulic power to the door, and saved me. Earlier I had almost flushed it down the toilet. Good thing I didn't.

      Couple hours later I met some aliens.

      (Yeah, I know, but it sounds better in 1st person.)

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    2. Re:Titanium: not recommended for rings by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I must be missing the reference here...

      An abysmal movie (The Abyss) that actually got some physics right but certainly not that bit.

  12. Re:a magnet? by Kazymyr · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...iron is always magnetic.

    That is a big fallacy. There are some alloys in which iron is around 98-99% which are non-magnetic (think unusual alloying elements like niobium and rhenium).

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  13. Re:Safety first? by smidget2k4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gloves + rotating grinder = BAD. You don't want a glove to get caught in that, your hand goes with it. Better to be burned by some sparks than to lose a few fingers (at best).

  14. Re:a magnet? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Informative
    Nope. Get above 0.15% carbon or so and you lose almost all the magnetic properties of iron. It's one reason that loudspeakers are made with low carbon steel (usually 1006, 1008, or 1010 grade) since you get too much carbon and the flux no longer flows well, meaning you need a LOT more magnet and a higher grade magnet to get the same flux in the gap.

    And yes, I am a loudspeaker engineer... ;)

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!

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  15. Re:Not Just Titanium by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you were testing Adamantium, those sparks were probably from your grinding wheel being worn down to a nub.

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  16. Re:a magnet? by budgenator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Iron isn't always magnetic, when heated to or above it's normalization temperature it loses it's magnetic properties, you can hold a piece of steel suspended with an electrimagnet in a kiln and heat it, when it reaches it's normalization temp it will fall to the kiln floor.

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  17. Re:wow by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Informative

    You don't even need that much heat. Just warm it in your hands, and if you get a faint pine smell it's amber.

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  18. Re:a magnet? by funfail · · Score: 5, Funny

    You've never tried to stick a magnet to a stainless steel fridge, have you?
    That's because they mislead the customer by using titanium instead of steel in fridges.
  19. Re:a magnet? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Depends on the type of stainless. Austentitic is not ferromagnetic, while martensitic is.

  20. What kind of pansy want's Titanium? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Funny

    Titanium is a woman's metal. Real men use Tungsten.

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  21. Re:a magnet? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Informative

    And in fact, some soldering iron thermostats use this property. When the iron is cold, a magnet pulls the contact closed. Once it heats above the Curie point, the magnet lets go and the contact breaks.

  22. So what's next? platinum? by sectionboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    someone please tell me how to tell if there's real platinum in my Capital One® platinum Card, I always want to know.

  23. Re:Mods smoke crack by jcuervo · · Score: 4, Funny
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  24. Re:a magnet? by cerberusss · · Score: 4, Funny

    And yes, I am a loudspeaker engineer... ;)

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!
    Could you turn that down please? :P
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  25. Re:a magnet? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 3, Funny

    If it weren't for slashdot, I would never know amazingly pointless facts like this one. Thanks, slashdot.

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  26. Re:a magnet? by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry, that's not my understanding of the metal's properties. I guess for digging around in the sand, you don't really need a fine edge, but nothing to my knowledge compares to the ability of steel (esp. high-carbon steel) to hold an edge. High-carbon steel is very brittle, which helps it to hold an extremely sharp edge; this is why Japanese samurai swords were forged to have one side harder than the other side, so the sharp side would be extremely hard, but the other side would be less hard and more strong (done by using clay on one side during quenching) so that the blade as a whole wouldn't break easily.

    There's a reason no other knives are made of titanium, or anything besides steel for that matter.

    Titanium is known to be a very strong metal. If you know anything about metallurgy and its terminology, strong and hard are different properties, and usually work against each other: a metal is usually strong, but not hard, or vice versa, not both. Steel can be made to be hard, but brittle, or strong (which is more flexible) but not very hard.

    Anyone with a titanium ring knows that it's not a hard metal at all: it's easily scratched unless it has a protective coating (usually diamond). Sure, it might prevent a automatic pressure door on an undersea rig from locking you in, but it doesn't hold a sharp edge at all.