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NYPD To Replace Motor Fleet With Electric Scooters

XueCast writes "A few days ago, the New York Police Department, one of the largest police forces in the US, announced that they are planning to make New York greener by replacing their gasoline motorcycle fleet with the super-quiet and energy efficient electric scooters from Vectrix. NYPD said that they will first road test four electric scooters from the Rhode Island-based electric vehicle manufacturer next month, and if the road test is a success, NYPD said that they plan to order more electric scooters from Vectrix to replace their less-than-green motorcycle fleet."

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  1. Come on Editors by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Stop linking to blogs whose sole purpose is copy+pasting content from other sites and link to the source

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    1. Re:Come on Editors by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For all bloggers thump their chests about blogs being the new way to report the news, they are in my view just a new way to talk about the news.

      What, you mean like slashdot?

  2. Environmental cost by Assembler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why spend $11,000 on new motorcycles when that sort of investment in more efficient police cars would have a much greater environmental impact? (Not to mention savings at the pump) Traditional motorcycles don't use that much gas, and can easily get 2-3 times the mpg of a car. Halving the energy consumption of a motorcycle is nowhere near as interesting as halving the energy consumption of a car.

    1. Re:Environmental cost by VirexEye · · Score: 4, Informative
      The problem is not that motorcycles are not very efficient mpg wise, it's that they don't have catalytic converters. Even though they are very fuel efficient, they still manage to produce more toxins into the atmosphere than cars.

      It's generally not considered a huge deal since the ratio of motorcycles to cars on the road is rather low, but if a fleet of bikes can be replaced, it might make a difference.

    2. Re:Environmental cost by dltaylor · · Score: 5, Informative

      New bikes DO have catalytic converters.

      Check the "ENGINE" tab here. for example:

      http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/en/bikes/model.jhtml?model=2390

    3. Re:Environmental cost by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "you're joking, right?"

      Err no , why would I be?

      "how about comparing it with a car of similar performance?"

      An average bike does 0-60 in about 5 seconds. My camaro could do that and still hit 30mpg on a good day and it weighed 1600kg. How can a 160kg bike of the same performance only get less than twice the mpg? Sorry , something doesn't add up.

      A vehicle such as a bike that is that light with a cross sectional area that small should have far far better mpg than perhaps 50% more than a car weighing 10 times more and 4 or 5 times the frontal area (and hence air resistance). The fact that bikes don't says a lot about their inefficient (and torque-free) engines.

  3. Re:Pull over.... pretty please! by Jrabbit05 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Its New York. You're not going anywhere.

  4. Re:Wow those are really intimidating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since when were police supposed to be intimidating? They are supposed to be public servants that you can trust and feel comfortable around, not some militant force that will shoot you because you look at them wrong. Unfortunately this isn't the case in many places and your post validates how people (rightfully) perceive them.

  5. Re:misleading title by PortWineBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well the blog and the headline are all screwy...this is a trial, and they are not thinking about replacing their motorcycle fleet, but their gas scooter fleet. They have a ton of those things. original source (new window)

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  6. Re:Honest question by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know about in NY but in the UK rush-hour a motorbike can travel through city-centre traffic at four times the speed of a car. Read 30mph average instead of 7. Don't underestimate the usefulness of going through narrow spaces either, many crimes have planned getaway routes that can only be negotiated by a small car, with a small clearance that you would only take at speed if you are not bothered about scraping the sides. I have also heard it said that if a motorcyclist refuses to stop it is almost impossible to give chase in a car, if there is no motorcycle available they just take the numberplate and call round later, when the bike is almost certainly "reported as stolen".

  7. Re:misleading title by Mistlefoot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And electric vehicles are wonderfully silent. I'm not sure how often stealth would be helpful for a NY City cop but it's certainly likely to be an interesting side effect.

  8. Headline is wrong by jamesl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "NYPD To Replace Motor Fleet With Electric Scooters" should read, "NYPD to Test Electric Scooters."

    1. Re:Headline is wrong by Pfhorrest · · Score: 4, Funny

      "NYPD To Replace Motor Fleet With Electric Scooters" should read, "NYPD to Test Electric Scooters." No no, see, this is Slashdot... the headline is just a typo. It was supposed to read:

      NYPD To Replace Motor Fleet With Electric Scooters?

      They just missed the question mark :-)
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  9. Re:Wow those are really intimidating by Pfhorrest · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unfortunately a (growing?) segment of the population has little respect for concepts such as law and order and societal stability. They do respect the force of a gun, however, and as such a certain amount of perceived intimidation is useful. While I agree completely with the gist of what you're saying, I would phrase it a little differently.

    People are losing what little respect they once had for each other and for themselves, such respect being the foundation of law and order and societal stability; and they are now more and more turning to (and bowing to) the use of force instead, where in more civilized times their respect for each other or for themselves would have prevented them from turning to (or bowing to) such shows of force.
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  10. " Less than Green?" Say WHAT!? by gordguide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, they're big motorcycles. They only get 45 mpg in the city, and that's observed fuel economy, not some Science-Fiction EPA rating.

    So, let's replace the most fuel efficient motor vehicle the NYPD has in the fleet because it's "less than green" and let's keep those cars, trucks, vans, helicopters, and who-knows-what else. You know, for the children.

  11. Honest question-Fun with two wheels. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What do motorcycle cops do that those in cars can't?"

    Freeze to death in the middle of winter. Fly gracefully over the hood of a car in an accident. Be able to fart without one's partner commenting on it. Pop wheelies.

  12. Why not replace cars with conveyor belts? by ghoul · · Score: 4, Funny

    Given the population density of New York isnt it time to setup city wide (or at least the financial district wide) people mover belts like you find at the nicer International Airports (Dubai and Frankfurt spring to mind). These would be hyper efficient as only the thing which needs to be moved i.e. a person weighing 200 pounds instead of moving a big iron box weighing tons aka a car.
    These used to be a staple of futuristic SF stories - wonder why it never caught on - the technology is definitely there(in airports)

    On a side note if people are using conveyor belts the cops dont need motorcycles to catch perps - just get on the hyperfast conveyor belt lane reserved for emergencies.

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  13. Re:misleading title by Gabrill · · Score: 4, Funny

    These new pipes aren't any louder than the stock ones! Doh!

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  14. Re:Wow those are really intimidating by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People are losing what little respect they once had for each other and for themselves, such respect being the foundation of law and order and societal stability; and they are now more and more turning to (and bowing to) the use of force instead, where in more civilized times their respect for each other or for themselves would have prevented them from turning to (or bowing to) such shows of force. People have been repeating that mantra since time immemorial.

    When the USA turns into a failed state like Sudan or Chad, where warlords & tribal leaders are fighting for control, then maybe you'll have something to complain about.

    Crime rates have been trending downwards for quite some time now. The only thing that's been trending upwards are arrests for drug violations.

    P.S. When exactly are these "more civilized times" you're referring to?
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  15. Re:Normal vs. Headless vs. GREEN_BY_ELECTRIC by stewbacca · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1.) these Motorcycles are not "green", as long as the power to charge them is generated by non-green powerplants.
    You've exposed the most fraudulent part of the greenies' movement. Recharging batteries requires electricity, which in the US, is derived primarily from burning coal, which is worse ecologically than burning gasoline. As long as the Greenies keep pushing fake green agendas on us like electric cars but at the SAME TIME keep protesting nuclear power, this will never be a good solution.
  16. Re:Wow those are really intimidating by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I imagine that for a cop, intimidation is like his service revolver. It's there for him to use, but he's not supposed to make a habit of it.

    By giving somebody a nightstick and a gun, you are presupposing there are circumstances in which he'll use them, rather than ordinary persuasion. If the moral imperative is to do your job with the least force possible, then intimidation fits right between reasoned persuasion and beating or shooting people. Saying cops should never intimidate members of the public is one of those things that sounds right, but you have to examine the alternatives in any particular situation.

    If the imperative is to protect the public safety with the least force, then using intimidation where a lesser alternative is available is like drawing and firing a gun when there isn't a life at stake, only to a lesser degree. It is true that the public should not live in continual fear of the police, but occasional fear is not so terrible, provided that the police remain servants of the public. It's one thing to feel fear when you are speeding and see a cop parked on the side of the highway; it's something that either you can live with, or which you should change by voting in politicians who will raise the speed limit. It's another thing to be afraid that every time you talk to a police officer you might be "disappeared". Just because the situations feel somewhat alike doesn't mean they are alike.

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