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Black Hole Fires at Neighboring Galaxy

StarCraft 2 writes "This composite image shows the jet from a black hole at the center of a galaxy striking the edge of another galaxy, the first time such an interaction has been found. In the image, it is clearly seen how the jet from the main galaxy on the lower left is striking its companion galaxy to the upper right. The jet impacts the companion galaxy at its edge and is then disrupted and deflected, much like how a stream of water from a hose will splay out after hitting a wall at an angle. The composite image was made by combining data from Chandra, Hubble and several other systems."

83 comments

  1. First time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apparently it's not the first time, or this article is a dupe of a previous article. (I think the latter is just a bit more likely.)

    1. Re:First time? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      I think it's a dupe. According to my user page here, I submitted "Intergfalactic particle beam spotted" on Monday December 17, @04:53PM. It was rejected, but someone else submitted the same story and it was posted.

      I should have made a journal out of it, because I remember being in a silly mood that day and made quips about an intergalactic war. Peobably said something about a Romulan hull breach or something. On retrospect if I'd seen my submission in the firehose I'd have clicked the minus sign too.

      Now for a bit of on-topic wild science fiction conjecture: If a civilization that was far enough advanced that they had interstellar travel decided to try and reach a neighboring galaxy, it seems that just like we primitive apes use a planet's gravity to accellerate probes like Voyager to slingshot them out of the solar system, perhaps this is an intergalactic probe. An advanced civilization may be using a black hole to slingshot scientific instruments to its neighboring galaxy.

      Of course, if you really want to get science fictiony, maybe it's an intergalactic war?

      For you mundane, "just the fax maam" nerds, well, you're probably right. It's probably just a coincidental natural phenomenon.

      -mcgrew

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    2. Re:First time? by provigilman · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's a simpler explanation. Obviously the black hole particle jet is producing a tachyon emission that's made it's way to the Milky Way and is now causing us to relive the same /. stories over, and over, and over, and over, and over...

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    3. Re:First time? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Not all intergalactic problems can be reduced to a simple Star Trek formula. :P

    4. Re:First time? by dpilot · · Score: 1

      But apparently some can.

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    5. Re:First time? by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not all intergalactic problems can be reduced to a simple Star Trek formula.

      But they can all be solved by reversing the polarity.

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    6. Re:First time? by jank1887 · · Score: 1, Funny

      or crossing the streams

    7. Re:First time? by DiniZuli · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing when I read the article. It's a galactic version of what Larry Niven's Ringworld engineers came up with (They are "shooting" with a star to destroy meteors and enemies).

    8. Re:First time? by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      That's why I frackin' HATE trying to submit to Slash. It's probably best to first post it in your journal, THEN submit. I guess it boils down to who knows who, and how well written the submission summary is.

      Slash could avoid the moderator/submitter favoritism by revamping the journal system to look at the weight of a journal that is submitted for sharing. The item URL could be fed to the major search engines, then pushed to the top based on the number of qualitative and AUTHORITATIVE links.

      For example, NPR, among others, talked about this black hole bullying it's neighbor DAYS ago.

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17371531

      I think the URLs submitted for consideration should not depend on the half-baked commentary by moderators or anyone. The lead-in by the journal should be professional enough-- if it is via a professional journal. This would give a fairer shot to many who lack cute writing skills and yet who deserve some face time instead of the same-old same-old submitters. After all, Slash has THOUSANDS of members, yet only a FEW seem to be privileged to be recognized submitters/moderators named.

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    9. Re:First time? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a simpler explanation. Obviously the black hole particle jet is producing a tachyon emission that's made it's way to the Milky Way and is now causing us to relive the same /. stories over, and over, and over, and over, and over...

    10. Re:First time? by davidsyes · · Score: 1

      For example:

      The Body Has A Mind of Its Own (broadcast Friday, December 21st, 2007)
      http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200712214
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      Toxic Homes and Household Toxins (broadcast Friday, December 14th, 2007)
      http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200712144
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      Exposed: the seven great medical myths
      http://news.independent.co.uk/health/article3273183.ece
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      Testing Toys for Lead
      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16951320

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    11. Re:First time? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      I'm not bothered too much by having someone else get their submission posted instead of mine, especially since I've had eight posted this year. I do wish that the editors would do a quick google before an item is posted just to check for dupes, since every article that is remotely similar to some other article has every third comment yelling DUPE!1!!!ONE!!!

      As to journals, I mostly like using mine to talk about hookers and my other friends.

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    12. Re:First time? by hxftw · · Score: 0

      or leaving the basement

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    13. Re:First time? by Surlyboi · · Score: 1

      My god, it's full of stars...

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    14. Re:First time? by sjs132 · · Score: 1

      Just a hic-up in the Matrix... Soon the DAJa-Vu feelings will subside.

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    15. Re:First time? by Trogre · · Score: 1

      So what is it?

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  2. It's scary... by JerryLove · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's scary just how many different things out there seem waiting to kill you; from asteroids to stellar explosions to, now, death-star black-holes.

    On the other hand: I'd imagine it's terribly useful to see what a galaxy does to such an emission. It's got to tell us a lot about things like the real density of the glactic body, and to what extent, if any, a galaxy clears space around it.

    1. Re:It's scary... by eebra82 · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's scary just how many different things out there seem waiting to kill you; from asteroids to stellar explosions to, now, death-star black-holes. It's safe to say that you're exposed to a more probable danger when you're sitting in a car. Of course, if you get space-rayed while sitting in a car, you're pretty much doomed.
    2. Re:It's scary... by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's scary just how many different things out there seem waiting to kill you; from asteroids to stellar explosions to, now, death-star black-holes.

      I think your chances of dying from cancer, heart disease, auto accident, industrial accident, old age or even 'teh terrists' (unlikely as dying from a terrorist attack is) ar far, far greater than dying from some extraterrestrial phenomenon.

      But no matter how you're going to die, you're going to die. There's no point in fearing the inevitable. We are all under a sentence of death. Enjoy your time in this universe while you're still here to do so.

      -mcgrew

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    3. Re:It's scary... by ClubStew · · Score: 1

      We should welcome our Black Hole Weapon-wielding overlords...before they fire at us, too.

  3. death-star black holes by Chrisq · · Score: 1, Funny

    Are they sure its really a black hole...... I feel a great disturbance in the force.

    1. Re:death-star black holes by coldcell · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's no moon!

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    2. Re:death-star black holes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The galaxy shot first.

    3. Re:death-star black holes by east+coast · · Score: 3, Funny

      The distrubance you feel is Sir Alec Guinness spinning in his grave from knowing that his most quoted line from film was from Star Wars.

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    4. Re:death-star black holes by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's no moon!

      If course it isn't, silly. It's a black hole.

      -mcgrew
      Happy nude year!

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    5. Re:death-star black holes by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
      ..newbie.

    6. Re:death-star black holes by PingPongBoy · · Score: 1

      moon

      Speaking of which, if a deadly intergalactic ray was ever pointed at us, our best bet for immediate survival would be to move to the moon, the poles, or into orbit and constantly move to the side opposite the ray.

      Since the ray is disruptive of the magnetic field, a generator might be constructed to counteract the disruption, at a risk of messing up the earth's magnetic generator.

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  4. Learn more by eebra82 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Check this link to learn more about this phenomenon. It's a BBC documentary well worth your time.

    1. Re:Learn more by jdc180 · · Score: 1

      Or this link http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/17/2149239/ to learm more about this phenomenon or to learn what witty posts will earn you +5 Funny.

    2. Re:Learn more by iacvlvs · · Score: 2, Funny

      Same black hole. Different galaxy.
      This is a joke.

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    3. Re:Learn more by rucs_hack · · Score: 1

      Actually this does pose a threat to us. The gigantic and devastatingly destructive waves of force caused by the post impact 'IMPRESSIVE' are as we read this, heading our way.

    4. Re:Learn more by chris411 · · Score: 1

      I'm about a quarter of the way through the documentary. It's interesting. But while I'm all in favor of 'spicing' things up to make science more thrilling to the layman, I sometimes couldn't help but chuckle at the overblown visual effects and dramatic descriptions.

  5. Pew Pew Pew! by Braintrust · · Score: 1

    Pew!

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  6. How long? by s!lat · · Score: 1

    This is all well and good, but how long till someone tries to mount one of these to a shark?

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    It's a leather thing
    1. Re:How long? by SpecTheIntro · · Score: 1

      Or, God forbid, a killer badger?

  7. 'Death Star' galaxy by the_kanzure · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Over at the Orion's Arm mailing list a week ago, this topic came up too: they were calling it a 'death star' galaxy.

    Or possibly a Type III Kardashev civ taking issue with the occupants of a nearby galaxy (or *maybe* an S6 or even S7 Galaxy Brain trying to insure a rival doesn't achieve the same status and threaten it?)! Looks like a cosmic beat-down either way!
    Anyway, the galaxies have many awesome processes -- nebulas, supernovae, supermassive blackholes and that strange darkmatter 'void' -- some that we can, perhaps, take advantage of.
  8. Fire back! by Nerdposeur · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the other galaxy doesn't learn to fight back now, it's going to get pushed around for the rest of its life.

    1. Re:Fire back! by Duhavid · · Score: 1

      All it is doing is washing away the rain.

      Leave it be.

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    2. Re:Fire back! by mseidl · · Score: 1

      I'll bust a gap(of dark matter) at yo ass!

  9. Dupe avoiding suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This story is a dupe. http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/10/2123233

    We get lots of dupes. Perhaps the editors could use google to screen for them. I put the following into google to find this dupe:

    black hole blasts site:slashdot.org

    but

    black hole chandra site:slashdot.org

    worked even better.
    1. Re:Dupe avoiding suggestion by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Naw, they're far too busy editing to google. Especially Cowboy Neal.

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    2. Re:Dupe avoiding suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The duplicate article problem is always going to be just that, a problem. I'd be quite surprised if the editors even read the articles that they linked to themselves in many cases, let alone the content of their own posts. At worst a duplicate post will generate traffic and ad-banner hits from a bunch of people complaining that it's a dupe, in which case they still win.

  10. First time? No, this is the second time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    it's been on /. http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/17/2149239

    Nice to see the editors are asleep at the wheel during the holidays though.

  11. Breaking news! by uberphear · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Slashdot sprays dupe-posting editors with jets from black holes: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/17/2149239

    1. Re:Breaking news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in other breaking news, Sony is releasing a new never seen before cutting edge game system. Rumors are that it will be called a "PlayStation".

  12. that's no blackhole by techpawn · · Score: 1

    It's a space station!

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  13. Dupe? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    Wasn't this black hole shooting at a galaxy last week? Or was it a different hole?

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    1. Re:Dupe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the time dilation field created by the event caused some of us to hear about it last week.

    2. Re:Dupe? by computerchimp · · Score: 1

      Sort of a catch22:

      If it is another black hole it is common and not so newsworthy.
      If it is the same black hole it is old and so newsworthy.

      cc
      PS: its the same black hole, the poster is just a bit slow on the uptake. I suspect that it was posted to see how many Star Wars postings would be made for the annual Slashdot year end pool.

    3. Re:Dupe? by sm62704 · · Score: 1

      Wasn't this black hole shooting at a galaxy last week? Or was it a different hole?

      Yeah, here's the newspaper story.

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    4. Re:Dupe? by PPH · · Score: 1

      It was reloading.

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  14. Holy Old news Batman by netglen · · Score: 1

    Are the /. editors asleep today? This is old news.

  15. Re:First time? No, this is the second time... by pryoplasm · · Score: 1

    It is not as if dupes come but only once a year.

    Its a full time job being asleep at the wheel all year round...

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  16. HUBRIS!!! by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anyway, the galaxies have many awesome processes -- nebulas, supernovae, supermassive blackholes and that strange darkmatter 'void' -- some that we can, perhaps, take advantage of.

    Look, dude, we're really really stupid and primitive*. We don't even understand subatomic phenomena very well. We are incredibly, mind-numbingly ignorant. There's a far greater chance that rather than taking advantage of these processes, they will take advantage of US.

    -mcgrew

    *Offtopic here, but I think the idea of alians from space visiting earth is really silly. What are the odds? I think it far more likely that if UFOs are aliens, they're from the one and only planet that we know has life.

    We have only been here as a species for a hundred thousand years. Ten million years ago we were small mouselike things. What will our descendants be like ten million years in the future? If time travel is possible they will have figured out how to accomplish it. I think if the Roswell aliens are real and non-human (actually I don't, I think they're "Skunk Works"), they are the species we evolve into going back for a little archaeology.

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  17. Black hole fires neighboring galaxy by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    "Yo, c'mere."

    "Yes maam?"

    "You doin' a piss po' job. We ain't had no johns 'round hea fo' days."

    "But it's the holidays, it's always slow this time of year."

    "Don' matta, yo fired!"

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  18. Intergalactic Psyops = Redundant Dupe Posting by WED+Fan · · Score: 1

    ...made quips about an intergalactic war.

    I believe the dupe is a psyop by the Department of Galactic Security.

    Also, be very careful and keep an eye on your cubicle. I've read your post and I believe someone is moving the keys around on your keyboard. I'd put up a cam to catch the culprit if I were you.

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  19. Paraphrasing Don Imus.... by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's some nappy-headed holes there. I'm gonna tell you that now, man....

  20. I've always wondered... by Epistax · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I've always wondered if all black holes do this but we simply aren't able to tell from our perspective. Such as a pen laser, you can't really tell if it's on unless it's aimed at or near your eye, if you can see what it is hitting, or if there is something in the air to illuminate. This would certainly go in line with the theory that black holes can never actually exist. That is, everything that appears to be a black hole is on the teetering edge of becoming one at all times, but constantly bleeds matter so no event horizon can form.

    I have no formal education in this stuff nor have I even bothered to read a book, but I'm full of poorly educated gut feelings on the matter!

    1. Re:I've always wondered... by AdamThor · · Score: 1

      Here is my possibly erroneous understanding, based on my undergraduate degree in physics.

      I've always wondered if all black holes do this but we simply aren't able to tell from our perspective.

      Any black hole into which stuff falls xrays emerge from. This is electromagnetic radiation, not matter. Yes, yes, energy/matter equivelency notwithstanding, it's light that comes out, not rocks and stuff.

      Here's how it works. A black hole sucks things into it. When things go in the black hole, they spin around it on the way down, like water going down your bathtub drain. The varying amount of spin at different distances from the sucking object tends to pull things apart. Eventually things get really pulled apart, down to an atomic level, and ionized. Ions have charge. Charges acclerating in a circle make an electromagnetic wave, perpendicular to the plane of rotation (right hand rule). When the acceleration is big, the energy of the resulting electromagnetic wave is high. Black hole = big acceleration = high energy output. Things are torn up and spun around the black hole when they are still outside of the event horizon (the line of no return, where escape velocity becomes equal to the speed of light), so the energy is able to escape the black hole.

      Such as a pen laser, you can't really tell if it's on unless it's aimed at or near your eye, if you can see what it is hitting, or if there is something in the air to illuminate.

      Astronomers can see this. Space is mostly empty, but there's enough stuff to scatter this effect that it is known.

      This would certainly go in line with the theory that black holes can never actually exist. That is, everything that appears to be a black hole is on the teetering edge of becoming one at all times, but constantly bleeds matter so no event horizon can form.

      Speaking energetically about a black hole is kinda wierd. My understanding is that the energy coming from the black hole in this story was never actually in the black hole. The black hole isn't bleeding energy (much less matter) at the nearby galaxy, rather the act of falling into the black hole liberates some potential energy from the matter that is falling. (Anything that has the potential to fall has potential energy, this PE is the source) Black holes can (maybe) evaporate (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation), but that isn't what is happening here.

      I have no formal education in this stuff nor have I even bothered to read a book, but I'm full of poorly educated gut feelings on the matter!

      =) So I thought I'd provide some possibly approximately correct information for you or anyone else who in the same boat.

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  21. Must be female! by jav1231 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Beware a black hole scorned!

  22. Black holes SUCK by coniote · · Score: 1

    Literally

  23. Re: Actually already had cancer by JerryLove · · Score: 1

    But fair enough. Perhaps I should have said "It's impressive the quantity and variety of things waiting to kill you". I'm not actually "scared". My poor choice of wording.

  24. Re: Actually already had cancer by sm62704 · · Score: 1

    What's funny is that I'm not afraid of dying, but I don't like to think about the incredible suffering that almost always preceeds it.

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  25. 1.4 billion years ago called by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    They want their news back.

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  26. I for one... by Salsaman · · Score: 1

    ...welcome our jet-shooting-black-hole overlords.

    (Well, somebody had to say it...).

  27. Natural Phenomenon or First Strike? by uxbn_kuribo · · Score: 1

    The creatures that are responsible for this will destroy us all!

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  28. What happened to /. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously there is something wrong with the system. Duplicate stories (someone isn't checking the history). New interesting stories dropped (why?). Way too many comedian wannabes. I wish the old /. would come back.

  29. the headline should have been by sethg · · Score: 1

    "Black hole sucks, blows"

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  30. The difference this time around... by rHBa · · Score: 1

    The difference this time around is that TFA has some cool, high def pics that I can crop for my desktop wallpaper :-)

    PS (6.9 MB)
    Tiff (43.4 MB)

  31. Tagging by Frigga's+Ring · · Score: 1

    What are the tags for this story. Let's see... science, space, starwars, moneyshot, and cumshot... Wait a second... what the heck does this story have to do with Star Wars?!

  32. oops my bad by escay · · Score: 1

    who does the black hole think he is? Dick Cheney?

  33. News? by Hellpop · · Score: 0

    This has been going on for millions of years! How is this news?

    Oh, it's a new discovery... Well, didn't I hear about this a few weeks ago over on Slashdot?

    Oh, I am on Slashdot? I must have forgotten. Deja Vu...

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  34. This black-hole is a bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the second galaxy in a couple of weeks it has fired dark-matter at. Somebody should stand up to it!

  35. Ow by stonefry · · Score: 1

    Quit it...

  36. the scale seems off by brer_rabbit · · Score: 1

    According to the scale in this photo, these galaxies are only half the size of Stonehenge.

  37. Something I heard by WillyG00 · · Score: 1

    "Los agujeros negros son lugares del universo en donde Dios dividió por cero" - Steven Wright in english: "The Black Holes are places of the universe where God divided by zero" - Steven Wright beautiful description...

  38. /. editors fire great yawns at stories by dreamsofcaffeine · · Score: 1

    As seen in other stories, our editors are obviously doing other things than checking if stories are actually dupes. But at least they've got a fine excuse: They still have not received their caffeine infusions due to their high level of social activity during Christmas.

  39. 3C321: A Black Hole Odyssey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0