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Hospitals Look to a Nuclear Tool to Fight Cancer

The feed points us to a NYTimes article about hospitals using particle accelerators to treat cancer. While expensive, proponents say that the proton beams generated by the accelerators are more precise than conventional X-ray radiation therapy. This results in fewer side effects and reduced irradiation of surrounding tissue. The technology's critics say that the cost is not justified by a measurable increase in the level of care given to the patients. Nevertheless, this is an excellent example of "pure scientific research" leading to a useful, unrelated technique. From the NYTimes: "Tumors in or near the eye, for instance, can be eradicated by protons without destroying vision or irradiating the brain. Protons are also valuable for treating tumors in brains, necks and spines, and tumors in children, who are especially sensitive to the side effects of radiation."

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  1. Re:Side Effects? by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Informative

    possibly, but I'd rather be bombarded with focused protons than barely focused gamma/x rays.

    protons have very little penetration power due to their high weight and volume. Normal alpha particle emitters, for example, are blocked simply by the lining of dead skin covering your body. Goggles and standard clothing will protect you from anything short of eating the particles.

    Since they are accelerated, I'm guessing they penetrate further, but they will be stopped quicker too (charge, mass, volume, all these will make them easier to stop than high energy photon radiation). Best of all, it's the stopping/slowing of the protons that kills the cells (they hit stuff, break stuff, and stop/slow down), so less energy will be needed since the majority of the high-energy photons would just pass through. The trickiest part would be to determine how many protons and with how much energy.

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  2. Proton packs by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 5, Funny

    As another unrelated side benefit, you can strap it to your back and use it to catch ghosts.

  3. Re:Side Effects? by vjmurphy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Focused protons would likely give you better superpowers, too. I mean, we all know what gamma rays do, and I, for one, don't want to prance around with green skin and purple short shorts when I'm angry.

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  4. private health care will strangle this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Correct me if I am wrong (I am not in the US and haven't had any serious illnesses), but isn't medical insurance cover up to a certain limit of dollar value (usually extremely high), which makes the cost of a treatment irrelevant so long as it is scientifically proven to have a noticeable beneficial effect?

    If insurance companies refusing a treatment over cost disgusts and shocks you, you might be interested to know that active government policy in every country with free health care (including those highlighted by Michael Moore in 'Sicko') consider on an ongoing basis as a matter of government policy which treatments that WILL NOT be given to people even if they are proven to cure, on the basis of costs, and the list is typically long. And as this case from the UK demonstrates;

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7151328.stm

    Does it happen that you have a terminal illness that could be cured by a proven workable drug that is unfortunately not on the government-approved-expenses list? Too bad for you. Do you want to pay for this drug yourself? Well, that sucks, because you are not legally allowed to, in that case you would have to pay for your entire treatment yourself. Of course, you could always travel to a third-world country and have the drug illegally injected, at the risk of losing your house if it's discovered.

    It would therefore shock my predictive abilities to the core if any country with a free and universal health care system offered particle accelerator treatments earlier than any country with privately funded health care.

    This intended to balance out the general hatred for private medical companies and love for government health care systems with some hard facts and priorities that inevitably are going to be made.

  5. Re:Side Effects? by ZombieWomble · · Score: 4, Informative
    Based on a couple of assumptions*, the entire reason for making use of this therapy is to mitigate the side effects of traditional radiotherapy. In traditional x-ray based therapies, the energy from the beam is deposited nearly continuously along the beam length, giving a roughly exponential falloff (I say nearly, as there is an initial buildup at the surface as secondary particle counts build up, and it is from the peak slightly below the surface that the exponential falloff begins).

    By contrast, accelerated protons deposit their energy almost evenly, at a relatively low rate, until they are slowed to a certain energy, at which point their deceleration rapidly increases, accompanied by a massive increase in linear energy deposition. This leads to the "Bragg Peak", which offers a much, much more accurately targeted beam than is possible with conventional sources. (See this illustration as an example - compare the red line (in this case, C12 ions, but a similar principle) to the green line (an 18MeV photon beam). By carefully tuning the beam energy and orientation this point can be scanned over the tumour volume, giving a very localised dose deposition.

    What puzzles me is why this is news - I was under the impression that this concept is well-established, and has been fairly well verified already. Just some fluff to fill up the science and medicine section, maybe? Now if it was about the CERN anti-proton tests, that's certainly something with a more dubious cost/benefit analysis...

    * - I say a few assumptions, these are basically the principle ones behind all radiotherapy - that is, that all dose at the end of track structures is created equal and all dose is bad according to the LNT. While these ideas may not be strictly true, it is unlikely for them to be so wrong that it would invalidate the treatment as a whole.

  6. Re:Side Effects? by johnny+maxwell · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since they are accelerated, I'm guessing they penetrate further, but they will be stopped quicker too (charge, mass, volume, all these will make them easier to stop than high energy photon radiation). Best of all, it's the stopping/slowing of the protons that kills the cells (they hit stuff, break stuff, and stop/slow down), so less energy will be needed since the majority of the high-energy photons would just pass through. The trickiest part would be to determine how many protons and with how much energy.

    For a nice picture of energy deposition vs. depth see e.g. http://www.gsi.de/forschung/bio/energy_e.html
    One can adjust the peak energy deposition's depth by varying the proton's energy. The surrounding tissue gets a much lower dose than in X-Ray irradiations.
    Combine the particle accelerator with a PET (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positron_emission_tomography) and you can irradiate a cancer with cubic millimeter resolution.

    This is actually not a new, purely academic technique, it is already commercially available, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_therapy

    Attention: I'm not a doctor but a physics student :)

  7. Re:Side Effects? by johnny+maxwell · · Score: 3, Informative

    One thing: http://www.gsi.de/forschung/bio/energy_e.html is actually about heavy ions (carbon). The curve is not _too_ different for a proton, though.

  8. As the husband of a survivor... by _14k4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, who cares how expensive it is. I mean, we're not rich people and we are pretty close to that sarcastic "upper lower middle class" line.. but watching my wife go through chemo and surgery (no radiation, thank God) hurt me more than I can ever explain. If there was a way to make sure that radiation was a little "cleaner" and crisp around the edges, I'd say go for it. Chemo and surgery are hell enough.

    Plus, x-rays are so last century. Everyone knows the new thing is protons.

    1. Re:As the husband of a survivor... by Rich0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, who cares how expensive it is.

      The person paying for it. In the US that would probably be an insurance carrier (those who pay a higher premium might get access to it). In most of the rest of the world it would be your government (if you are lucky you might get access to it).

      I have only sympathy with what you went though - I've had someone close to me go through life-threatening medical problems as well. I'm all for improving the level of technology available. However, economics always comes into play - it just isn't politically-correct to admit it.

      No nation on earth fully meets their medical needs financially - everybody rations care at some level. Every nation also faces questions like "is it better to spend $500M on one machine in one hospital that will cure 10 extra people per year, or $500M on something else that might save more lives?". The cost of one of those machines would also pay for a lot of doctors and nurses as well - you might save more lives just by giving patients more time with caregivers.

      The problem in medicine is that nobody is allowed to discuss the hard questions like this without being branded as insensitive or inhuman. The problem is that the hard decisions get made one way or another, and without genuine debate the decisions are probably made in a less-than-ideal way. Money spent on particle accelerators saves lives - but so does money for food/education/sanitation/law-enforcement/doctors/clean-air/etc. There is only so much money to go around - and economics are all about spending it where it will do the most good...

  9. Bad guess by hrvatska · · Score: 3, Insightful
    No, it's shorthand for prominent and respected radiation oncologists who don't see any difference in cure rates and side effects for advanced x-ray therapy and proton beam therapy for many cancers. They are concerned that medical centers and their financial backers, which are investing over 100,000,000 USD per facility, are pushing patients to the new therapy just to recoup their expenses, with no real benefit for the patient. The article offers this example.

    Dr. Zietman said that while protons were vital in treating certain rare tumors, they were little better than the latest X-ray technology in dealing with prostate cancer, the common disease that many proton centers are counting on for business. "You can scarcely tell the difference between them except in price," he said. Medicare pays about $50,000 to treat prostate cancer with protons, almost twice as much as with X-rays.

    Insurance companies frequently follow Medicare's lead, so we may find in a few years that we're paying gobs of money for proton beam treatments that do not offer better outcomes than alternatives. Once it gains acceptance as a standard treatment for cancers on which it offers no better outcome, we'll be paying a huge collective sum in taxes and insurance rates with no discernable benefit.
  10. Re:critics... let me guess by arivanov · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Aaa... The so called ~NHS logic. Treat 10 times more people regardless of the fact that the result is nil, but do not use the treatment that may actually save one of the 10 because it is expensive.

    They do it for everything.

    They consider it OK to treat Eczema by splating children with a bucket of hydrocortisone twice a day and drowning them in Claritine despite the fact that the result is nil and the treatment drags on for decades. After all it is cheaper per-day and per-dose than Pimercrolimus or Advantan. They miss a crucial difference - the latter can actually put eczema under control and reduce it to a point where treatment is unnecessary most of the time.

    Same for allergies - there is practically no way in hell to get them to approve gammaglobulinisation therapy.

    Same for vaccines - they use "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than the others

    approach and vaccinate themselves against chickenpox and leave children who are in high risk groups like astma and eczema sufferers to fend for themselves (and die from secondary infections). After all, vaccination is expensive, isn't it.

    Same for cancer. Treat 10 people without any one of them getting improved survival rates as long as "it improves their quality of life", but do not use treatment that will actually give one of out 10 a chance to survive because it is expensive. Do not pay for herceptine because it is expensive, use cheap stuff regardless of the fact that as a result UK has cancer survival rates of a 3rd world country (worse than the whole of the EU).

    And so on.

    Sorry. NHS treatment selection logic is flawed by design. It is based on fake happy commie concepts of fairness which are misplaced here. The main goal of medicine is to try to cure the patient. If you have the choice of using a medication that has a chance of curing even one more patient and medication that will cure even one less the "cost" option is simply no longer part of the equation. It is there only if the treatments are equivalent.

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