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Data Theft Soars to Unprecedented Levels

A Wired article reports on data loss in 2007, and the numbers aren't good. Credit card and social security theft was at an all-time high, with even more losses expected in 2008. Information thieves, it seems, are just one step ahead of IT security. "While companies, government agencies, schools and other institutions are spending more to protect ever-increasing volumes of data with more sophisticated firewalls and encryption, the investment often is too little too late. 'More of them are experiencing data breaches, and they're responding to them in a reactive way, rather than proactively looking at the company's security and seeing where the holes might be,' said Linda Foley, who founded the San Diego-based Identity Theft Resource Center after becoming an identity theft victim herself."

116 comments

  1. The Solution. by Slashdot+Suxxors · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just provide your credit card number to me and I will make sure no one steals it.

    1. Re:The Solution. by The_Mystic_For_Real · · Score: 1

      Once Throwaway Numbers Become Common I Will.

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    2. Re:The Solution. by doombringerltx · · Score: 2, Funny

      As common as capitalization?

    3. Re:The Solution. by peektwice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You joke, but this type of problem is real. The reason spam continues to proliferate is because it, on some dark, evil plane, works. People answer it or by the products it hawks. The reason malware sites, such as the type of phishing sites you quipped about, continue to work, is primarily because people are easy marks.
      Now if you'll excuse me, I have to click this link that says my PayPal account needs updating.

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    4. Re:The Solution. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not a rich guy, and I'm a slave to debt just like most people. If the financial sector goes to hell in a hand basket and stops being sustainable, I'm not going to be losing anything.

      On the other hand, I'm smart, talented, healthy, educated, a problem solver, a useful person to have around. I don't rely on the interest return on my massive holdings to sustain some overinflated lifestyle.

      So, why should I give a shit about these problems? Seems like it will make my life better the worse this gets.

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    5. Re:The Solution. by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      are you kidding me, on the one hand you say your a slave to debt and on the other you don't think it will effect you?

      If the financial market goes to shit who are you going to borrow money off to sustain that debt? what if the banks call in all your loans (as they are entitled to do) would you be able to pay them all out tomorrow?

      more importantly, is someone stole your identify and racked up $10k in debts in your name, how would you feel about it? you'd be pretty stressed i imagine, so don't kid yourslef into thinking this can't affect you.

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    6. Re:The Solution. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Worst case, I'd tell them to go to hell, go grab some land that someone used to own before everything went to shit but no one is actually using, build a house, grow some food, have some kids. If those services collapse, no one will be telling me I can't.

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    7. Re:The Solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, why should I give a shit about these problems?

      Because someone will own your account, even if the primary credit provider becomes defunct.

      In many cases, those who buy these accounts are even less desirable. I'm dealing with a nightmare with a US Cellular account we canceled in August that kept billing (despite calls and registered mail letters) until October being sold to the second collection firm. I'm actually owed a refund due to errors in US Cellular billing but every time I point this out, the account gets sold to an even less ethical firm. My account (and refund) are sliding down the collection foodchain to the bottom feeders.

      And what we deal with in the US is nothing like what others encounter. I once worked with an international debt collector and mistakenly commented "gosh it must be hard collecting debts from people in third world countries - you must be screwed there." The guy laughed and said it was the hardest in the USA, where we have "due process." For a few dollars, broken knees and other tactics usually resolve collection problems.

      So be careful what you wish for...

    8. Re:The Solution. by 0.693 · · Score: 0

      Dude, I don't mean to be cruel, but I think you are in denial - most people are not in debt. Unless maybe you count a mortgage.

    9. Re:The Solution. by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Dude, I don't mean to be cruel, but I think you are in denial - most people are not in debt. Unless maybe you count a mortgage.

      Yes, a mortgage is a debt. Just like a car loan, and a student loan. Most people are in debt. What planet do you come from?

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    10. Re:The Solution. by jdjbuffalo · · Score: 1

      If the financial markets (nearly) completely go to shit then everyone will be in the same boat and the only way out will likely be a national jubilee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(Christian).

      There is talk of this happening along with other major financial changes because of how badly the financial markets in the US and elsewhere have been screwed up.

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  2. Re:CC theft rampant by Slashdot+Suxxors · · Score: 3, Informative

    Another MyMiniCity link. Don't click. You know the drill.

  3. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  4. The downside of exponential-growth computing by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems like a consequence of being able to carry gigabytes of data around in your pocket. It is probably all too easy for the odd database to duplicate into an employee's thumbdrive these days I suspect.

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    1. Re:The downside of exponential-growth computing by pionzypher · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that it was an effect of the growth of online transactions and companies retaining that data without proper safeguards more than a consequence of higher data capacities. The thumbdrives' capacity no doubt enable an employee to walk out with an entire database. There should only be a few people in an organization who have the access to do such a thing though. Even better would be a policy of not retaining any personal information such as credit card, SS, etc.
       
      Required car analogy: It's sort of like implying that cars enable any employee to carry out all the valuables in all the safe deposit boxes. True perhaps, but other security measures and policies negate the advantage that motorized vehicles offer.

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    2. Re:The downside of exponential-growth computing by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      Actually, I blame the problem squarely on the lack of motivation that financial institutions feel when it comes to preventing fraud. They can suck it up as a cost of doing business, but poor shmucks like us can end up dying a few years sooner because of the stress involved in fixing one's credit history.

      Instant credit without true identity verification is the problem here. Social security numbers and other PII are worth stealing because credit is so easy to obtain, including in someone else's name. Come up with a way to verify people's identity before extending credit to them, and you make that information (closer to) worthless.

    3. Re:The downside of exponential-growth computing by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Even traditional companies are retaining credit card information by default. I ordered a pizza from Round Table the other day and they asked me if I wanted to use the same card that I used last time. I drove down there and told the manager to delete any of my personal information and asked him where I ever signed anything or in any other way authorized them to retain my credit card information. Of course he wasn't able to provide any such documentation. I will never be giving Round Table my credit card again.

    4. Re:The downside of exponential-growth computing by mpe · · Score: 1

      Even traditional companies are retaining credit card information by default. I ordered a pizza from Round Table the other day and they asked me if I wanted to use the same card that I used last time.

      Which is something they should never be doing.

      I drove down there and told the manager to delete any of my personal information and asked him where I ever signed anything or in any other way authorized them to retain my credit card information. Of course he wasn't able to provide any such documentation.

      Probably because very few customers actually want such a "service". Consider also that a retailer doing this could change the transaction from a regular "cardholder not present" to "continuious authority".

  5. Something fishy... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is data theft at an all-time high because of hackers or just dumb companies not encrypting their backup data that gets lost in transit?

    1. Re:Something fishy... by seededfury · · Score: 1

      I lost my credit card information logging into slashdot once...

    2. Re:Something fishy... by omeomi · · Score: 1

      Or laws that don't adequately punish companies for losing personal data, or at least allow for civil suits. My SSN was lost twice last year, both by large organizations, and I had no choice in giving either of them my SSN. One of them had it for health insurance reasons from when I was a child, and the other one was a school I attended. I think it's ridiculous. There's no reason that companies, schools, and other organizations should be able to lose tens of thousands of social security numbers and basically just shrug and say "oops". I bet if they had to pay a $10,000 fine for every SSN they lose, they'd start encrypting the data really quickly. There's a great Chronology of Data Breaches here that shows some staggering numbers

    3. Re:Something fishy... by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      For those of us who don't live in your brain dead country, any chance you could explain what an SSN is, and what it is good for? If it is such an important magical number that you need to keep secret at all times but are required to give over to people who you don't trust maybe, just maybe, it is a stupid idea and not the fault of the health insurance companies or schools you have attended if it gets misused. That said, in my brain dead country you can get someone's electricity turned off if you know their name, address and date of birth.

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    4. Re:Something fishy... by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      It's the U.S. analog to the Canadian SIN, and it's not really good for much other than being stolen, and taking your identity with it. Originally, it was intended to only be given to employers, so that they could appropriately give your money to the government, with the promise that it would be given back when you were retired. In fact, it was expressly stated that the SSN was not to be used as it is now being used, but like so many other things, this has been ignored more and more over the years.

      Yes, it is a brain dead country. Yes, there are better ways to do this. No, we will not change, because Social Security reform has been turned into a horrendously controversial topic that overwhelms any petty concerns about identity theft.

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    5. Re:Something fishy... by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      Is data theft at an all-time high because of hackers or just dumb companies not encrypting their backup data that gets lost in transit?

      No, it's because we're using shared secrets (hey look, an oxymoron!) to establish identity.

      As far as your finances are concerned, anyone who knows your name/birthdate/SSN/address/card number/etc is *you*, and can do pretty much anything you can do. And of course anyone you do business with knows enough of these things that they or anyone who steals their database can pretend to be you.

      Convince everyone that financial stuff should use public-key signiatures where the only copy of the private key is in a card the bank gave you, and stealing much of that data is significantly more pointless.

    6. Re:Something fishy... by utopianfiat · · Score: 1

      Considering the number of cases I've seen where it's a bunch of tapes with millions of social security data on them handed to an intern for the night...
      "Were they encrypted?"
      "No."
      "Why not?"
      "..."

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    7. Re:Something fishy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate the phrase "identity theft". It isn't like someone stealing your SSN can take your wife and children from you.

    8. Re:Something fishy... by mpe · · Score: 1

      My SSN was lost twice last year, both by large organizations, and I had no choice in giving either of them my SSN. One of them had it for health insurance reasons from when I was a child, and the other one was a school I attended. I think it's ridiculous.

      Why did either of them need it in the first place? Quite often when it comes to these kind of "loses" there is little rational reason for several of the fields being in the database. In the extreme this applies to the whole database.

      There's no reason that companies, schools, and other organizations should be able to lose tens of thousands of social security numbers and basically just shrug and say "oops".

      If SSNs were treated properly in the first place the worst that could happen would be that some idiot could boost your pension. One thing they most definitly are not is a method of authenticating identity.

      I bet if they had to pay a $10,000 fine for every SSN they lose, they'd start encrypting the data really quickly.

      Encryption is no magic wand. Also a large fine means a large incentive to cover up any such instances.

    9. Re:Something fishy... by mpe · · Score: 1

      That said, in my brain dead country you can get someone's electricity turned off if you know their name, address and date of birth.

      You don't even need to know their mother's "maiden name"?
      I suspect that impersonating someone by knowing facts about them only actually works for some people. If you are well known or important enough there are actually secure available. Otherwise every celebrity's house would be easily identifiable by the presence of a generator... (A generator with a very large fuel tank in the case of politicans.)

    10. Re:Something fishy... by mpe · · Score: 1

      No, it's because we're using shared secrets (hey look, an oxymoron!) to establish identity.
      As far as your finances are concerned, anyone who knows your name/birthdate/SSN/address/card number/etc is *you*, and can do pretty much anything you can do.


      A rather fundermental part of the problem is that none of these actually are "shared secrets" in the first place. Technically they are what is know as "identifiers".
      In some cases, especially with web based systems, it can be possible to hack in actual shared secrets. e.g. a web form might well accept an obviously daft answer to a question like "what is your mother's maiden name?"

      And of course anyone you do business with knows enough of these things that they or anyone who steals their database can pretend to be you.

      If real shared secrets were being used stealing a database would only enable them to impersonate you to whoever the database was stolen from in the first place.

    11. Re:Something fishy... by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

      If it is such an important magical number that you need to keep secret at all times but are required to give over to people who you don't trust maybe, just maybe, it is a stupid idea
      No shit. It's very stupid.

      By the way, accurate summarization of what a SSN is. I will be updating wikipedia article shortly.

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  6. One step ahead..? by ricebowl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know what the trouble is with the 'myminicity' thing, so I'll just comment on the synopsis.

    It has to be noted that since much data these days appears to be stored unencrypted, or removed from the premises by 'interns,' that much of the populace is 'one step ahead.' The advantage the bad guys have, beyond institutional stupidity and negligence, is that there's so many of them willing to exchange the data once acquired.

    1. Re:One step ahead..? by OECD · · Score: 1

      The advantage the bad guys have, beyond institutional stupidity and negligence, is that there's so many of them willing to exchange the data once acquired.

      Huh. So the more "open source" approach of the crackers is beating the "closed source" defensive model of the defenders?

      I'm not a zealot one way or the other (in particular I've always thought that "security through obscurity" actually has some value) but that point seems telling.

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    2. Re:One step ahead..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So far, I've counted 4 myminicity accounts spamming slashdot: blah blah blah And by comparison, I've given up counting the posts that discuss these links. This is worse than a mailing list letting slip through a spam message, and seeing countless folks take the opportunity to offer as many off-topic comments. Deleting a mailing list thread gone nuts is easy, but deleting Slashdot posts isn't an option. Put another way, it's easy to ignore AC posts, off-topic posts (they tend to get modded down fairly quickly), or posts that are disruptive by nature (they also tend to get modded down), but multiple meta posts that try to be helpful but end up repeating what others have already pointed out? If you're so inclined, write an email to the powers that be. Post an Ask Slashdot article. Hell, take the dog for a walk. Just don't make the problem worse than it is.

  7. call me a cynic by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Funny

    We hear about CC theft a lot and I am sure it does occur, but most of the time its embarrassment which is the real culprit.

    "darling, the CC company says we owe them $2400 dollars."

    "thats nonsense, I barely use my CC"

    "it says there were hookers, gallons of gin and a blackjack tableset ordered to an address in Nevada."

    "OMG it must have been the waiter in the diner I went in on the way to the 'conference' with work! (pray you are saying it with a straight face)" ...

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    1. Re:call me a cynic by JamesRose · · Score: 1

      Oh! So you're saying credit card fraud fraud is skyrocketing!

    2. Re:call me a cynic by gmack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You laugh but I used to work for a small credit card processing company and that was exactly the reason for many, many charge backs.

      wife: Honey what's this charge for porn on our creditcard?
      man: Oh you know I would never look at THAT. Someone must have stolen our credit card.

    3. Re:call me a cynic by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Heh, I'm sure the porn vendors have figured out discrete billing by now. I bet it goes more like:

      wife: Honey do you know what this charge on our creditcard is for?
      man: Never heard of them. Someone must have stolen our credit card.

      Not that I understand how you manage to avoid finding free porn on the Internet.

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  8. Not a big surprise by gta3mobster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Irresponsible data handling by employees at retail stores probably contributes quite a bit.

    One of my friends went dumpster diving at Compusa. On top of finding almost every cable you'd ever need to hook anything up, he found over 70 pages of daily reports disclosing full credit card numbers, expiration dates, first/last names, and card company. Personal checks that were used during that day listed the account #, routing #, first/last name, birthdate, drivers license #, address, phone number, and probably some other stuff. He found this on two separate occasions, with over 300 cards listed total. None of the papers were shredded/torn either. He didn't intend to find this stuff - Imagine how easy it must be for somebody who actually wants the information!

    The majority of the population doesn't understand how seriously security needs to be taken when venturing online to make purchases. If people understood going onto unsecured networks/etc was pretty much the same as leaving your credit card/checkbook in the front seat of your car, leaving the doors unlocked, and parking it in a bad neighborhood they might take security more seriously.

    Sure - Most of the time if you leave stuff in your car unsecured, it'll be there when you get back. But there's always that small chance it'll get stolen.

    1. Re:Not a big surprise by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Makes you wonder how much of the Info "stolen" off "the computer" or "the internet" was really just thrown into a dumpster don't it. I have been fighting with people at work to shred everything if they shred anything.

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    2. Re:Not a big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my friends went dumpster diving at Compusa.

      Try Blockbuster next time. Each location stores more than 90 days of customer account applications (which requires a major credit card account written in the clear on the paper form) in the back office, usually in unlocked file cabinets. If you're lucky, they're shredded before disposed. Unfortunately, Blockbuster managers are really just too busy and shredding takes unnecessary time and money.

      The only reason there aren't more security incidents: not enough hackers.

    3. Re:Not a big surprise by kc2keo · · Score: 1

      I used to work at CompUSA (which I mentioned before and was the worst job I ever had) and saw firsthand the mishandling of private information of customers. The hardware I saw thrown out was shocking. Lots of hardware was usable in some way. Service requests were not shredded (can't remember a shredder being in the store). Thats how I got my nice HP machine for almost nothing (had to replace the system board for $140.00). The machine is 2.8GHZ Intel P4 HT... etc.. Still using it and functioning well. I'm pretty sure other companies are as careless as CompUSA was. I just hope I am not one of these victims...

    4. Re:Not a big surprise by mpe · · Score: 1

      Makes you wonder how much of the Info "stolen" off "the computer" or "the internet" was really just thrown into a dumpster don't it.

      Most of which may well have been "in a computer" before being printed...

      I have been fighting with people at work to shred everything if they shred anything.

      Let me guess, instead they want some policy for only shredding the stuff which matters. (It also dosn't help that there are some strange attitudes towards paper recycling around.)

  9. Given that data ... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    has itself grown in size to unprecidented levels, I suppose it shouldn't be too surprising that data THEFT has also grown to unprecidented levels. The real question is, when normalized for how much data is "out there", is data theft getting more or less rampant?

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  10. Use Arizona's anti-illegal immigrant method by schwit1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Knowingly having an unsecure system or not doing basic security due-diligence causes penalties, a second offense and you lose your business license.

  11. IT Security really to blame? by Blittzed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The post states that "Information thieves, it seems, are just one step ahead of IT security.". I disagree with this, but it all depends on your definition of IT security, mine being more on the tech side in relation to protection, countermeasures and network forensics. The article really does not make any claim that IT security is at fault, but rather that counter measures to known threats are not being empyloyed. In relation to the quoted statement above, I would say that information theives are five steps ahead of those of don't take measures to protect against threats, rather than being ahead of IT security. I guess it could be argued that IT security is indirectly responsible, or failing, as user education and policy are major parts of protecting corporate networks and data. The failure in these cases seems to be more related to a lack of user knowledge or failure to adhere to policy / weak policy, rather than a complete inability of IT security to protect information. Everyone knows that the internet is a dangerous place (TM), even my grandma. For those in government, schools etc to have data stolen and claim that they didn't know about the risks posed of using online data systems is just plain stupid. According to TFA, the biggest theft of information occurred due to the use of a wireless network. "What! Wireless isn't secure? I had no idea!" Only if you had your head firmly wedged up your own back passage could you as a security professional, or even semi professional ;) claim that you had no idea of the many vulnerabilities of wireless networks...

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  12. RSA Secure ID... by hxnwix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The feds could initiate a program under which all citizens are issued key fobs similar to RSA Secure IDs with verification similar to that required for a passport. Without this fob, one could not open any sort of bank account or acquire a credit card or loan... The program could allow one to specify various levels of rigor beyond this basic minimum, such as pin+fob key verification to complete any sort of electronic monetary transaction.

    It works for managing access to top secret material, hundreds of billions in monetary instruments and the most vital systems of companies in every industry worldwide... I suppose that on an individual basis, any person's assets, credit and livelihood just aren't as important. Or, perhaps the very industries that protect themselves with this system just don't give a fuck about their consumers.

    If these folks were landlords, they'd tell every criminal they could find who you are and were you live, and they'd refuse to install a lock on your door.

    1. Re:RSA Secure ID... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The feds could initiate a program

      The credit card companies could do it themselves, but they don't care since it's not their money. So yeah, it probably would take a federal law to force them to bother.

    2. Re:RSA Secure ID... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The feds could initiate a program under which all citizens are issued key fobs similar to RSA Secure IDs with verification similar to that required for a passport.

      As much as I like RSA keyfobs, they are pricy. Presumably you would get a better price when you buy millions of them though.

      However, I'm betting that 5% of the population are going to lose their keyfob every year, 5% will forget the PIN, and another 5% will write the PIN on the keyfob.

    3. Re:RSA Secure ID... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      How does having your RSA SecureID stolen improve your situation over having, for example, your credit card stolen?

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    4. Re:RSA Secure ID... by hxnwix · · Score: 1

      It adds another factor. Unless you also give the thief the pin associated with the fob, the fob is utterly useless.

  13. Piracy by Kojiro+Ganryu+Sasaki · · Score: 1

    Isn't this the type of crime that should be called software piracy?

  14. Re:CC theft rampant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    take a chill pill.

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  16. Re:also soaring: castration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    penis theft != data theft.

  17. Yet another reason... by WallaceAndGromit · · Score: 1

    Yet another reason to be thankful that CompUSA is going under.

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  18. Or maybe... by whatevah · · Score: 0

    Information thieves, it seems, are just one step ahead of IT security.
    Or maybe the people who are supposed to guard the data are three steps behind in motivation.
  19. Truenames and identity by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What amazes me about "identity" (financial, blog or otherwise) in the Internet age is how similar it is starting to feel to the concept of identity in fantasy fiction (such as the Earthsea books) where people have disposable day-to-day common names, but also truenames that hold the real power of identity, shared only with the most trusted of companions.

  20. Throwing money at the problem by timmarhy · · Score: 1
    One big issue i see in this and other problems in todays society, is there is too much focus on how was spent on a problem and not what was actually done.

    it's all very well to say spending has increased, but what was actually DONE about the problem? Simple and cheap solutions are often the best.

    for example, my bank sends me an sms with a code to complete all online transfers to new billers, rendering fishing useless. the only way to change the mobile number is to answer 2 very personal security questions, and even then the system alerts me of the change.

    I think the next step forward for CC's is one time numbers and photo ID on the card itself. shouldn't be very hard, have it operate just like login tokens do now and require the code for online transactions, and when swiping the pyhsical card the photo is looked at to id that it belong to the right person.

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    1. Re:Throwing money at the problem by mpe · · Score: 1

      for example, my bank sends me an sms with a code to complete all online transfers to new billers, rendering fishing useless. the only way to change the mobile number is to answer 2 very personal security questions, and even then the system alerts me of the change.

      Actually you probably don't want to be using personal information for bank security questions at all.

      I think the next step forward for CC's is one time numbers and photo ID on the card itself. shouldn't be very hard, have it operate just like login tokens do now and require the code for online transactions, and when swiping the pyhsical card the photo is looked at to id that it belong to the right person.

      IIRC cardholder photos have been tried withough much sucess.

  21. Stupidest Legal Term by QuantumG · · Score: 1

    Apart from "intellectual property", "identity theft" has to be the stupidest term ever. They don't steal your identity.. they "copy" it. Real identity theft would be taking over someone's identity (probably with some lame face exchange technology) so that the rightful owner can no longer utilize it. And what's most annoying is that there is already a legal term for the activities that "identity theft" is typically used to refer to.. fraud. So what the hell is wrong with "identity fraud"? Not sexy enough?

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    1. Re:Stupidest Legal Term by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Real identity theft would be taking over someone's identity (probably with some lame face exchange technology) so that the rightful owner can no longer utilize it.

            I've seen interviews of people who say they no longer can utilize their identity to do the things they expect to be able to do, buy a house, open a credit account, and have their previous credit rating.

            So they feel their identity has been stolen.

        rd

    2. Re:Stupidest Legal Term by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      That's the kind of retarded thinking that should be kept out of law. If someone takes a shit on your windshield you don't claim your car has been "stolen" because you have to clean it up before you can drive it again. Fuckin' morons.

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    3. Re:Stupidest Legal Term by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      If someone takes a shit on your windshield you don't claim your car has been "stolen" because you have to clean it up before you can drive it again.

            But you would claim it was stolen if you couldn't drive it again because of it. Same thing.

        rd

    4. Re:Stupidest Legal Term by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Seriously, no, you wouldn't. If I burnt your car to the ground with gasoline you could claim I destroyed your property. You could claim I was a vandal. You could put in an insurance claim for "fire". But you couldn't claim I "stole" it. In *any* case, your identity is not your credit rating - at least I fuckin' hope the world hasn't become that consumerist just yet.

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    5. Re:Stupidest Legal Term by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1


            It has. It's your name, SSN, address, birthdate, credit history. That's what becomes effectively not yours anymore because you can't use it. You can try, but it's no good anymore with all the uses made of it after it was stolen.

            So you try to recover it, and yet at any time a new mortgage application can come in to a credit bureau with your name on it. Takes a lawyer and a lot of money to get it back. So call it recovering stolen goods, ot getting your name back.

        rd

    6. Re:Stupidest Legal Term by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      " Real identity theft would be taking over someone's identity -snip retarded quote- so that the rightful owner can no longer utilize it"

      way to contridict yourself in one sentence dumbass. once an identity thief gets his hands on your details, he will run debts and bring all kinds of grief to your name so that using it again is impossible. it'd be easier to change your name and start again then go through the court system attempting to prove each infraction wasn't you.

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    7. Re:Stupidest Legal Term by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Gapping malfunction of the credit history system (which is evil in the first god damn place) makes stupid term seem slightly less stupid to people with poor understanding of legal terms. Popular usage makes stupid term seem common place. You call me a dumbass for questioning all this.

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  22. The Irony by Stan+Vassilev · · Score: 1

    'More of them are experiencing data breaches, and they're responding to them in a reactive way, rather than proactively looking at the company's security and seeing where the holes might be,' said Linda Foley, who founded the San Diego-based Identity Theft Resource Center after becoming an identity theft victim herself."

    1. Re:The Irony by jpfed · · Score: 1

      The real question is- how can we be sure that the real Linda Foley did and said all these things?

  23. Groan by Mac_8100_g3 · · Score: 0

    "...they're responding to them in a reactive way, rather than proactively looking at the company's security and seeing where the holes might be,' said Linda Foley, who founded the San Diego-based Identity Theft Resource Center after becoming an identity theft victim herself."


    First off, do we really need another victim turned "security expert"?!? Please.

    Secondly, how many "thefts" were actually sales of databaes by unscrupulous employees? And how many "thefts" were due to carelessness on the part of other employees who seem to have a great knack for leaving laptops laying about unsecured. It seems half the battle is an internal one.

    I mean come on, what we really need here are some folks with plain old common sense to take a look at this.
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  24. Re:CC theft rampant by value_added · · Score: 1

    So far, I've counted 4 myminicity accounts spamming slashdot: blah blah blah

    And by comparison, I've given up counting the posts that discuss these links. This is worse than a mailing list letting slip through a spam message, and seeing countless folks take the opportunity to offer as many off-topic comments.

    Deleting a mailing list thread gone nuts is easy, but deleting Slashdot posts isn't an option. Put another way, it's easy to ignore AC posts, off-topic posts (they tend to get modded down fairly quickly), or posts that are disruptive by nature (they also tend to get modded down), but multiple meta posts that try to be helpful but end up repeating what others have already pointed out?

    If you're so inclined, write an email to the powers that be. Post an Ask Slashdot article. Hell, take the dog for a walk. Just don't make the problem worse than it is.

  25. SS #s for free!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found a way to generate ALL the SS#s from 000 00 0000 to 999 99 9999. Here is the pseudocode:

    for i from 0 to 9999999999 do
    print i;
    od;

    1. Re:SS #s for free!!! by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      Sorry dude, but that isn't going to do it.

    2. Re:SS #s for free!!! by 2.7182 · · Score: 1

      I think I have a way to generalize the AC's method to finding all credit card numbers, but there isn't enough room in this comment to post it.

    3. Re:SS #s for free!!! by superwiz · · Score: 1

      E, you must be a lawyer.

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  26. A new way of thinking about Data "security" by Sepiraph · · Score: 1

    I really think they need to re-think the whole concept of data security, basically the current, "traditional" way of protecting data security is a form of 'Security by obscurity'. I think most of us know how well that method works. (To be fair, in the past this method was somewhat effective, if only because information was never that readily available to be transferred and copied (and stolen).) Instead, I think they have to design sensitive data based on the assumption that it WILL be stolen at some point. Encryption of data goes a long way, but the encryption needs to be built-in since the system breaks down as soon as someone forgot to encrypt (and that is bounded to happen). Perhaps some sort of public-key cryptography will be used, and your only *personal* information will be your private key, which you never need to give out. If such systems are implemented, it will at least go a long way to address the obvious deficiency of current *obsolete* system we implemented for personal data.

  27. most 'lost' data is easily swiped off billy boxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no mention is ever made of that. much of the rest is a gullible public serving up their inf. hoping to get something for nothing/less than it's worth. another day in paradise.

  28. in related news by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Studies have shown that auto theft reached unprecedented levels in 1911. In future news; flying car theft will reach unprecedented levels in 2057.

    More and more common thieves are learning the value of data. So more of it is being stolen. I bet MP3 player and cell phone theft rates are reaching "unprecedented" levels as well.

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  29. maybe they should work with communities of by Elsapotk421 · · Score: 1

    white hat hackers on staff full time who's sole job is to look for security breaches. I mean I guess it would make too much sense and having worked for the government, I know that if it makes sense it's not in the game plan.

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  30. Finding and stopping IDT by buss_error · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At $DAYJOB, we insert fake data in two ways: First, fake data that is in the database with known markers, second, more fake data generated each time a user logs in and present only during that log in for that user. In this way, we know if the data theift occured via authintication (and by whom, from where, and when), or via some hole in the app.

    The way to make this more effective requres a huge amount of work: Longer CC numbers and SSNs. It's the same problem IT has had with users FOREVER. Users expect the moon, stars, and all the oort cloud between, yet do not want to provide the least effort. There's no "buy in" from Soc Sec and the CC companies. As long as they get to pass along the cost to someone else, then the current system is "good enough". No need to expend any of THEIR effort to find, track, and plug up problems.

    But make THEM accountable in a tangable way, and I think we'll start to see effective measures to stop this nonsense. And no few RSG and 419'ers in jail to boot.

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  31. We need the credit card companies to do more by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Why don't Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Diners etc start putting pressure on companies to keep credit card numbers more secure (along with inventing and selling solutions to make that happen)

    Even taking the simple step of changing the merchant agreements such that if the merchant suffers a breach or loss of credit card numbers, they are contractually obligated to notify the people who's numbers have been stolen (either via announcements in the media/on the merchants website or individually somehow) would make merchants do more to fix the problem.

    1. Re:We need the credit card companies to do more by mpe · · Score: 1

      Why don't Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Diners etc start putting pressure on companies to keep credit card numbers more secure

      Including the most secure method, not storing them at all. Also in order for a company to store numbers they should need a special merchant account.

  32. Discover Card by microAmp · · Score: 1

    Ever since I found out about Discover Card Secure Number I use that for all my online purchases to help reduce the risk of my real number being stolen. Complete Fraud Protection What this does is provide a one time use credit card number and CID number. Sure you can dispute false charges with your credit card company but who really wants to deal with that and any headaches.

  33. My experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At work (I work for one of the top 3 card issuers), I see our systems people continuing to harden defense against data loss.

    - Wireless net cards are actively sought out and removed. Leaving the wireless in my co. provided laptop will get a visit from security. No wireless for the forseeable future, until they go through the whole WPK/VPN/MAC security scheme. Even then, I'm not hopeful we get it ever. Not like my last gig, but then they MAKE their own VPN and wireless stuff.

    - External access is VPN and token like SecureID. Two passwords needed, and then I may not get access to the data I need, if it is deemed inappropriate for remote access. The system knows the difference.

    - I work with merchant data, cardholder data, and corporate financial systems data as part of my job. My department regularly (weekly, sometimes) has to make a strong business case for access to every type of data we request. Our team is unique in many ways, being involved with merchants and cardholders. We have to justify every type of access, repeatedly.

    - Our primary PC application is being re-written to fully encrypt data, mostly to comply with PCI-DSS. It also makes it simpler to maintain, for reasons to be left unspoken. We're also completing a scheme so that our users can enter, but not view, card numbers. Sounds wierd, but it's necessary.

    We're already encrypting our workstation data folders, and all shared drives are being encrypted with certificates required. Most company workstations are getting full-disk encryption. Laptops are getting this at a fast uptake, and we'll be to the point where an unecrypted disk results in both an alert and no login. It's good enough encryption that users are warned, lose the certificate AND the password, and the only solution is ship the drive physically to the depot - wait 3-5 days for return.

    My USB key is similarly encrypted. The goal is to be able to know that a lost laptop is a hardware expense. No data exposure without a nontrivial attack on the encryption. I wish they had used TruCrypt, but what they are using is recognized as unbreakable by anything short of a national agency or three. Yes, minimum password complexity is beyond 7 characters, symbols, numerics. Spellable password rejected.

    Needless (?) to say, up to date anti-virus/anti-malware is installed and updated, and gets you shut out if it gets too old. A seperate app maonitor watches for unacceptable behavior. It doesn't like much of what I do. The team is writing specific exceptions for us, which include requiring valid logins, prompts to accept program behavior, testing for local/remote access, and checking for event- and alert-driven modifications to the rules, like when an intrusion is suspected and the system is shut down to evaluate an event. Can't wait for that, sort of like a fire drill for no apparent reason.

    The emphasis is on both adequate encryption and prevention of access.

    I'm not a seciurity expert, but it looks good and getting better. The corporate goal is entirely to prevent a loss.

    And no one in Fraud or Security will discuss auditing, monitoring, or anything much beyond the dog-and-pony show of what it does, and precious little of that.

    Oh, I do have it on good authority internally that looking at stuff you don't need is not recommended. I don't.

    Where I work, security is as high a priority as service or growth. Possibly higher. It's about never having to say you're sorry. It's about being able to say you are certain, and secure.

    Sorry, but posting anonymously is the best policy. Just to know, part of the financial industry is not reacting to their own failures - they are reacting to the known and UNknown threats, not waiting to see what holes get poked.

  34. It's a game of roulette by bl8n8r · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And one that too many companies are willing to put gamble with. Many IT shops haven't got the experience in house to maintain security so they shop around for the doitallforyousecuritygizmo to do it for them. These gizmos are usually 90% snake oil with a hefty support contract. There is also a big lapse in education and awareness across all facets of the security realm. Programmers think security is up to Layer 1 and that they are free to break all the rules at layer 7. Windows admins think security means that if Bitdefender doesn't complain, everything must be peachy and that having software installed through ActiveX by a remote website is just a prank. Management is made up more of bean counters than technically savvy personnel. In the end, it seems management views a spin-of-the-wheel as being more cost effective than re-training a bunch of people that can't see past the Whack-a-Monkey javascript they just got in their inbox.

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  35. The problem with Encrypted media.. by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    I'm a storage consultant and my hottest contracts right now is implementing different forms of media encryption. It can be disk, tape or data in-flight (IPsec for replication). There's plenty of solutions that prevent someone from accessing your data if they grab the media (disk/tape) and walk out the door. While this prevents someone from stealing a tape from the back of an IronMountain truck, it doesn't solve the problem of someone accessing the data from an point above the encryption point, the host/server itself.

    This is one of the largest problems we face, somewhere the data has to be unencrypted. As one of our goals, we want to eliminate the number of points that someone could snoop or steal the data in an easily accessible or unencrypted format.

    A storage engineer, can eliminate it in the disk array or tape library, so nobody can walk away with disks/tapes, but the filesystems are unencrypted.

    A host admin can further limit it by creating encrypted filesystems that only specific users can access, but what about root, if he can 'vi secretfile.txt' and see it in a plaintext form, you've failed.

    The answer, the application writes only encrypted data.

    We're trying to enable a system where only the application that is supposed to access the data can easily access the data. We've all heard the statistics about how most security breaches are done by employees, and we put a lot of trust in our IT staff.

    Protecting the data from the IT staff that is our next big problem.

  36. Time for *actual* authentication by RickRussellTX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It continues to astonish me that people think of "data theft" as the cause of identity theft.

    Data theft is not the problem. The problem is that financial organizations are willing to accept transactions without authentication, or with very weak authentication. Supplying a 9-digit number which is a matter of public record is not a form of authentication. It does not prove that the person speaking is the account holder. Anybody can walk into a store with a fake credit card and buy stuff in my name, no questions asked. People can write checks with my account number on them, and it will be charged to my account. At no point is the slightest attempt made to authenticate the identity of the person making the transaction and certify that they are allowed to post transactions to the account.

    There is no way to "plug" these leaks; most of these names and numbers are a matter of public record and must be surrendered in order to make a transaction in the first place. The identity theft problem will not abate until account holders have enhanced authentication options, and the financial institutions are required to use them. Biometrics, physical security tokens, PINs, it doesn't really matter what solution we use. We just need to use something to verify the identify of the person making the transaction. It's the only solution.

    1. Re:Time for *actual* authentication by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with your post. The problem isn't that it's easy to get the magic numbers relating to a person, it's that we are willing to believe someone knowing the magic numbers is the person they relate to, even though we should _know_ how easy it is to know those numbers if you're not the person in question.

      On the other hand, the examples you gave (credit card and cheque payments) aren't about authentication. They are about payment. I don't know why anybody (including myself) buying anything with my cheques or credit card (neither of which are actually common forms of payment in Europe, where I live) would have anything to do with my identity. These are just payment methods. The money may be mine, but, other than that, it has nothing to do with me.

      Of course, the way this reflects on me is that I will seem to be an irresponsible spender if other people buy a lot of things with my credit card and my checques. And, actually, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. After all, I allowed the card or the checques to fall into the wrong hands. Hypothetically speaking, that is, because, when I lived in the States, I kept my checques locked up and never used them, and I didn't have a credit card. I simply paid everything in cash. The security implications of cash are easy to understand: if you have it, you can pay for it. Who you are or how you got it doesn't enter into the question.

      And now I think we're back to identity theft. Because, when I don't use cheques or credit cards, that doesn't mean I'm safe. Because someone else could sign up for a credit card or a checking account in my name, and use the card or the cheques to pay. And I would be the one receiving the bad credit rating, which, in cases of identity theft I've seen, not only prevents one from borrowing money, but also from getting a job. And the reason that this can happen is, indeed, that banks and credit companies accept that someone is me when they present some data that anybody could easily obtain.

      So what's happening, really, is that the banks and credit companies are being irresponsible by accepting weak evidence as proof that someone is me, and then blaming me and making my life miserable when someone else exploits this weakness. This makes me really angry. And then, to make matters worse, most every organization will believe these failing companies on their word when they say I got a credit card and never pay my debts. And then _I_ have to pay to clear my name, before I can get a job or a loan. So _I_ will be in great financial trouble because everybody else uses flawed security.

      Of course, all hypothetically. I have never had any of this happen to me. And somehow, in Europe, this seems to be less common. I don't even know if stories like the one I just told are common in the States. I know identity theft runs rampant there, but I'm not sure if the victims are careful as I was in the story, or careless with their credit cards or checques. All I know is that I'm happy it hasn't happened to me, I extend my sympathy to those it has happened to, and I hope the problems in the system get addressed.

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    2. Re:Time for *actual* authentication by RickRussellTX · · Score: 1

      I used credit card and check payment as examples of financial transactions that should require strong authentication, but it doesn't end there, of course. Opening accounts, getting loans, purchasing on credit (e.g. a car or furniture or whatever), etc. are all types of transactions that should be using better authentication methods.

      However, and this was the point of my post, you don't have to be "careless with credit cards or checks" to get in trouble. All that is required to create a fake check is an account number. And credit transactions can be easily faked using the information printed on the card (number and verification code) along with your publicly available address and phone number. How many people have an opportunity to memorize your credit card info every day? I'm sure there are plenty of criminals that could memorize the number, verification code and full name in just a few seconds of looking at the card, and many merchants demand your photo ID too -- so now they have your home address! There's no way to stop it; you have to give up this information to make a transaction.

      What I want is a piece of information I *do not* have to give up to make a transaction, such as a secret PIN, biometric identifier or even better an RSA SecurID one-time-passcode. No system is perfect, but that would go a long way toward permanently fixing this problem.

      You should be worried about these types of transactions, because, as you said, "The money may be mine, but, other than that, it has nothing to do with me." That first bit is pretty darn important. I don't know about you, but I don't want other people to take my money.

    3. Re:Time for *actual* authentication by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``However, and this was the point of my post, you don't have to be "careless with credit cards or checks" to get in trouble. All that is required to create a fake check is an account number. And credit transactions can be easily faked using the information printed on the card (number and verification code) along with your publicly available address and phone number.''

      Perhaps, then, if these systems are so insecure, _any_ use you make of them is careless.

      ``How many people have an opportunity to memorize your credit card info every day? ... many merchants demand your photo ID too -- so now they have your home address!''

      My passport doesn't have my address on it.

      ``There's no way to stop it; you have to give up this information to make a transaction.''

      Only if you pay by credit card. If you pay cash, you aren't giving up any information. In most countries I know, you can pay with a bank card, authenticated by a PIN. This isn't secure (the PIN can be recorded and the card cloned), but it seems to work better in practice than what people use in the States.

      ``You should be worried about these types of transactions, because, as you said, "The money may be mine, but, other than that, it has nothing to do with me." That first bit is pretty darn important. I don't know about you, but I don't want other people to take my money.''

      People taking my money is really not what I'm most worried about. I don't carry a lot of money with me and I've never been robbed. What I'm worried about is people affecting what other people think they know about me. I don't know if you know any victims of identity fraud, but I do. Nobody trusts them. They can only get the shittiest of jobs, despite having proper education. They have to pay off debts that were created in their name by other people. They live in fear of the police, because the police are after them for crimes they didn't commit. _This_ is what I'm afraid of. Getting some money stolen from me is minor compared to that, and I'm sure there is insurance against it, too.

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    4. Re:Time for *actual* authentication by RickRussellTX · · Score: 1

      Hey, if you've got the time to make all purchases with cash, if you never buy stuff on-line or via mail order and choose not to maintain a credit card, if you pay all your bills in cash by going to the billing office for each utility instead of mailing a check or providing your check routing information for payment... then more power to you. Fight the man, brother! Just don't waste a lot of fossil fuel in the process :-)

      Many people, myself included, need the convenience that non-cash mechanisms provide. It's not a luxury. Many years ago, companies would maintain local billing offices in grocery stores and strip malls so people could pay cash for utility services. They just don't do it any more, because there is not enough demand to support it.

      I want paperless billing -- but I want secure paperless billing. The technology exists to support it, but companies won't invest because they do not pay the direct costs of fraud.

    5. Re:Time for *actual* authentication by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``Hey, if you've got the time to make all purchases with cash, if you never buy stuff on-line or via mail order and choose not to maintain a credit card, if you pay all your bills in cash by going to the billing office for each utility instead of mailing a check or providing your check routing information for payment... then more power to you. Fight the man, brother! Just don't waste a lot of fossil fuel in the process :-)''

      That's what I did when I lived in the States. Now I live in the Netherlands. I pay with cash, PIN (swipe bank card, enter PIN), bank transfers (sometimes initiated by me, sometimes automatic - you can authorize organizations to deduct what you owe them), and, very rarely, PayPal and credit card. It's a different world. In the States, everybody pays by credit card, and nobody pays with PIN. Here, it's the other way around.

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    6. Re:Time for *actual* authentication by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, the examples you gave (credit card and cheque payments) aren't about authentication. They are about payment. I don't know why anybody (including myself) buying anything with my cheques or credit card (neither of which are actually common forms of payment in Europe, where I live) would have anything to do with my identity. These are just payment methods. The money may be mine, but, other than that, it has nothing to do with me.

      The authentication is to make sure that the person spending your money is actually allowed to do so. For cash this is implied by having posession of it, but you need (and unfortunately don't get) something a little better for electronic systems. The only reason for the authentication to tie in to your identity is so that governemnt and business can spy on you for taxes and credit scores.

    7. Re:Time for *actual* authentication by Deadplant · · Score: 1

      (identity)Authentication and Authorization:

      [Cash]
      Authorization: The person holding the cash is authorized to spend it.
      Authentication: None required. If someone hands you some cash that is sufficient authentication of their identity as 'the person holding some cash'.

      [Cheques]
      Authorization: Identity based; The individual in whose name the bank account was opened is authorized to spend the money.
      Authentication: Possession of a blank cheque and the ability to sign it in a manner which closely resembles a signature
      which was provided when the bank account was opened.
      caveat: The verification of the signature is not done at POS. Some retailers will wait (5 days?) until the bank has (in theory) verified the signature and availability of funds before completing the transaction.

      [Credit cards]
      Authorization: Identity based; The individual in whose name the account was opened is authorized to spend the money.
      Authentication: Varies; Generally speaking possession of the correct (non-secret) numbers is sufficient. Sometimes possession of a card is also required.

      [Interac debit cards]
      Authorization: Identity based; The individual in whose name the bank account was opened is authorized to spend the money.
      Authentication: Two-factor identity authentication. Something you have, and something you know. Possession of a card and knowledge of a (secret) PIN is required.

      All the card-based systems are migrating towards chip-based cards which should make it harder to create copies of them.
      This is an improvement on the 'something you have' part of the identity authentication system.
      Personally I'd like to see more work on integrating the 'something you know' and 'something you are' factors in all these transaction systems.

    8. Re:Time for *actual* authentication by RickRussellTX · · Score: 1

      All the card-based systems are migrating towards chip-based cards which should make it harder to create copies of them.

      Migrating but failed. I got an American Express Blue card back in 2002 or so precisely because they offered a card with an embedded chip that is supposed to enhance security. They were supposed to issue a USB smart card reader to the card holders so they could swipe the card to make on-line purchases too.

      The chip would be required for all purchases, but... to date, I have never seen the USB reader and the chip in my card has never been used. The advertised features silently disappeared from AMEX's marketing materials.

  37. Thos who lose it don't bear the consequences by ZWithaPGGB · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is that the organizations that lose the data, and the people who work there, are not the ones who bear the pain of the result. Furthermore, we usually have no choice in handing over the personal data, most of which is completely unnecessary (but very useful for marketing), in order to get things we need.

    Unless and until that changes, all the hand-wringing in the world won't make a hill of beans of difference.

    It will take something like Sarbanes-Oxley, making the officers of companies and non-profits, and government workers, who handle our data personally criminally liable for failure to take due care, before there is any change. As it is now, it is a simple cost calculation, and security is pure cost. The people in charge are betting that they can cash in their stock options or get promoted/transferred before the failure to protect data causes a problem.

    Last, but by no means least, everything that the naysayers said about Social Security when it was first proposed have come true: the SSID is a national ID number, and is routinely abused; and the Ponzi Scheme has run afoul of demographics. It's time to end the charade: outlaw the use of SSIDs by anyone except the SSA, and to allow people to opt out of SS.

  38. I work for a web hosting company... by Omniphobic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This information doesn't surprise me. I think the increase is do to the increasing ease of standing up a website. Anybody with minimal computer/coding/security experience can stand up a website that takes your credit card information. I've dealt with COUNTLESS sites that have horrible file permissions, no security apps (like mod_security), and their DB connection password is weak. It's unbelievable how little effort folks will put into securing their business operations. On top of that, customers who repeatedly get hacked won't be willing to go through the hassle of auditing their customers or upgrading their software, so the same vulnerabilities get exploited again.

  39. Re:CC theft rampant by jacquesm · · Score: 1

    Ok, myminicity .com assholes. Playtime is over.

    I've really had it with the myminicity.com crowd, and to put a stop to this nonsense I've set up a little website.

    Stop posting your myminicity links here and elsewhere, if myminicity.com wants to grow they can surely find a way to do it without inconveniencing others.

    If you don't then I'm calling on the rest of the audience here to report those links to the site above and if they want to help a little further to place a 1 pixel image tag on their website which will give the myminicity .com people hopefully more traffic than they were bargaining for.

    For starters I've placed one on http://ww.com/ , feel free to come and help.

    This is just another spam wave and if this doesn't get stopped now then it will be seen as a vindication of the principle and before long there will be 100's of sites doing this.

    Rewarding your users for bad behaviour has to be one of the most annoying marketing tactics that has ever been devised.

  40. Welcome to the modern internet by Cinnaman · · Score: 1

    Back when only "computer nerds" and IT professionals used the internet you could safely browse without a firewall or antivirus, one consequence of almost every segment of the population now using it is that there are scammers and people susceptible to scamming. Just like people fall for sales pitches or get their card details stolen in real life. When a tool that tells people whether a site in genuine is popular (i.e. they are unable to tell without it) you know that only a minority are immune to scamming.
    As a side note I thought spammers, virus makers etc. were out to wreck the internet and it surprises me that they actually earn money from it, and explains why it will never go away.

  41. Oh, what a circus! by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

    Given the complete disaster that digitisation of sensitive information has quickly proven itself to be in the hands of bean counters rather than those of developers who take pride in their work, it falls upon me as a concerned citizen to alert UK readers to a system which was brought to my attention today, which is going live with NO security protocols in place, which will hold the entire medical histories and personal details (including residential addresses and telephone numbers), in fact, enough information to ensure covincing and total identity theft, of over sixty million people, and without any sort of audit, be accessible by over one million public sector workers including temporary staff and Central Government staff. This system is known as The Spine, to be used primarily by NHS Primary Care Trust hospitals and clinics. It is with the depest concern for my own private data that I forward the following link to you in the hope that word gets spread as far as possible and that any UK resident who is capable of lifting a pen and writing semi-intelligibly, write their General Practitioner and demand that their personal and sensitive information not be uploaded to this mine of information for potential use by criminal elements not only inside the public sector, but also outside of it. The link is: http://www.nhsconfidentiality.org/

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  42. -no subject- by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I had a something to say but someone stole my idea.

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  43. in related definitions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "More and more common thieves are learning the value of data."

    Yes they are.

    "So more of it is being stolen."

    Yes it is.

    "I bet MP3 player and cell phone theft rates are reaching "unprecedented" levels as well."

    Someone should change the definition of "property" so I can own my data and seek redress from those who "steal" it.

  44. Theft or unauthorized access? by noidentity · · Score: 1

    Seriously, let's reserve the phrase "data theft" to refer to data that is lost due to someone taking the only copy of it. A basic test for theft is whether the owner still has the thing that was stolen. If he still has it, it wasn't stolen, though possibly copied.

  45. !Theft by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

    You can't steal information dude. Information just wants to be free.
    /sarcasm

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  46. PEBKAC by MurkyGoth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Blaming the tech is a cop-out - firewalls and encryption mean nothing if these people are entering their details into any website that asks for it. Paper/card shredders are cheap now (even/especially for the home) and people have been told for years not to click on links in unsolicited emails, *especially* if they're from a bank/ebay/PayPal.

    Instead of spending more on (company-side) tech there should be more spent on user-side education. Only those who've been a victim of identity theft and the paranoid (waves!) tend to realise exactly how much value there is in our personal information.

    I quite regularly enter junk into websites that I feel ask for too much information - no, you don't need my full address and telephone number before I download that article. If there is a legitimate reason why they do need my information (delivery/billing) and the site looks okay then that's fine, but too many websites and for too much information before they'll let you do anything.

  47. Identity Theft, a Corporate Victory by Vocabulary by shani · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the olden days (like 10+ years ago), if someone wrote a check in someone else's name, it was called "fraud". It is, in fact, a crime where someone steals money from the bank.

    At some point, someone changed the vocabulary, and now we call this "identify theft", and so we make the crime against the person who's name was forged. In fact, this person has nothing to do with this crime, and is an innocent bystander. The bank is charged with protecting my assets, and if they fail to do so, they should be liable, just as much as if someone walked into the bank with a gun and took it!

    By convincing society at large that the crime is "identity theft" and not "fraud", the corporations, while not solving the problem of fraud, has made it someone else's problem; namely their customers. And the customers accept this, and direct their ire against the criminals, instead of against the company. (Admittedly the criminals are Bad People, so they do deserve to be feared and hated.)

    In some ways, it is a stroke of genius by the corporate world. But not one that we should celebrate. :(

  48. Mod Parent Funny by giafly · · Score: 1

    The feds could initiate a program under which all citizens are issued key fobs similar to RSA Secure IDs with verification similar to that required for a passport ... It works for managing access to top secret material
    I salute your dongle scheme, sir, and the clever way you slipped it past prior commentators. I too have never heard of counterfeit passports or leaks of top secret material. As for hundreds of billions in monetary instruments, I am confident that the alleged losses on "sub prime" mortgages could never have happened if all concerned had secure key fobs.
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    1. Re:Mod Parent Funny by hxnwix · · Score: 1

      I am confident that the alleged losses on "sub prime" mortgages could never have happened if all concerned had secure key fobs. Did identity theft cause the sub prime crisis?

      What _ the _ fuck.
  49. BS^2 by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2

    Information thieves, it seems, are just one step ahead of IT security.
    No. IT security would be doing just fine if users and administrators protected themselves with existing security recommendations.
    As long as people act like sheep they will be lambs to the slaughter.

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  50. No, it's fraud. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While you are correct that it's not "theft" at all, this is simple fraud. Yes, computers are involved, but that doesn't turn the crime into something else.

    That said, if they get the data by stealing laptops or similar things, I guess you could call it data theft, because they really did steal the data, rather than copying it and using it for fraudulent purposes.

  51. when the lawyers come ... by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Im surprised there havent been a large number of class-action suits for data-theft. Many data-owners seem irresponsible.

  52. Re:Identity Theft, a Corporate Victory by Vocabula by jdjbuffalo · · Score: 1

    I've never blamed the criminals for this, but then again I'm in IT and I know better...

    My view is that they are criminals and we'll always have criminals. Therefore we need to protect ourselves from those who would take advantage of us by making those responsible for the problems pay for their failures, as you stated. When we pass a law that says that the corporate world and specifically banks are responsible for these breaches you will see things change practically overnight.

    There are several other things that need to be done to help rid of this problem and other personal security breaches, mainly from data aggregators. If we had Constitutional guarantees that our private information is ours and companies have to explicitly ask us to opt in to maintain our data and they can't give it out to others without our explicit consent (as it is in the EU) then you would see a lot issues resolved.

    Lastly, there needs to be laws stating that if credit bureaus want our information that we have access to it at all times for free (it's our information after all) and we can dispute any part of it. Furthermore anytime that a part is in dispute that we can get the item temporarily removed until it is fixed. All records should be locked by default. This requires everyone to ask for it to be unlocked in order to open a new account or to do a check your credit history and provide proof that they are the person asking for more credit.

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