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What 2008 May Hold In Store for FOSS

eldavojohn writes to mention that LinuxPlanet has a brief discussion on what 2008 may hold for FOSS. The list includes thoughts on KDE 4, OOXML, DRM, and 3-D desktops. What boons for FOSS are you looking forward to in 2008?

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  1. opengl console by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's what I'd like, a version of bash implemented in opengl, so I can make the console apps I write look funky.

    Not perhaps the highest priority of the FOSS world, but sometimes you just gotta go with 'it`d be fun'.

    1. Re:opengl console by rucs_hack · · Score: 3, Funny

      People still use XMMS? I thought most people moved on to Amarok/Rhythmbox years ago

      Aha, you must be one of those Gentoo people :-)

    2. Re:opengl console by eno2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oblig: "I know this! This is Unix"!

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  2. My hope for 2008 in FOSS by Enlarged+to+Show+Tex · · Score: 4, Funny

    A Linux port of Duke Nukem Forever, now that we finally know it isn't just vaporware...

  3. Free Beer by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've been hearing about this "free beer" with FOSS for years... maybe in 2008 we'll finally get some?

    1. Re:Free Beer by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 5, Funny

      You don't have to drink beer with your OSS, I've heard Wine works really well with Microsoft cheese :)

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  4. Had to be said by MztrBlack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm thinking many would not consider DRM in FOSS to be a boon of any sort...

  5. Correction... by Junta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mostly, a waste of GPU time. But seriously, the expose-ripoff with window title search that compiz has is highly productive when you open lots of windows. Other stuff, pretty much eye candy to me, but I admit I don't try every thing or understand functional benefits some features I relegated to eye candy. There are ways to make use of rendering live to GL manipulated textures that I'm sure will increase (Vista I didn't see make functional use of it, OSX did better, and with all the many different directions people are taking 3D effects in compiz and other projects in the open-source world, some interesting stuff is probably yet to come.

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  6. Re:I KNOW I KNOW! by peragrin · · Score: 5, Funny

    >>And in 2009 I hope a giant pengiun robot attacks Microsoft headquarters.

    Quick someone call the japanese. They can build it. It would be awesome even if it didn't have any weapons. Just walking around the MSFt campus would be great for laughs.

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  7. 2008: The year of the Linux desktop! by goldspider · · Score: 4, Funny

    I really REALLY mean it this time!

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  8. What boons for FOSS are you looking forward to...? by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The end of the tyranny of copyright law. Only then will there be true progress. Otherwise, this and everything else will be buried under the dog pile of licensing, which has already begun.

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  9. Well... by Junta · · Score: 4, Funny

    bash *could* support opening an OpenGL screen to display a 3D model paper clip to help you enter commands...

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    1. Re:Well... by ByOhTek · · Score: 3, Funny
      *shudder*
      If it ever does that, I'm going to tcsh.

      I'm going to have nightmares you

      jerk insensitive clod.

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    2. Re:Well... by jacquesm · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm bookmarking this thread just in case it ever happen.

    3. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "It looks like you're trying to find your present working directory ... would you like help?"

      "It looks like you're trying to pipe three dozen commands together ... would you like help?"

      "It looks like you're trying to telnet to a server ... would you like help?"

      "It looks like you're trying to use awk and grep ... sorry, can't help you on that one."

  10. How about fixing what we have now? by rueger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm among those who would be happy if existing apps could get fixed, Firefox being the prime example. On my G4 Mac every new realease of FF brings more crashes, more memory leaks, and generally more sluggish performance. I finally abandoned it last month for Opera, which I am liking very much.

    When most Open Source apps were small, simple and fast I could tolerate the inevitable bugs, and assume that they would be fixed up in the next release. Now it feels like everyone is working to add more and more features and "widgets," but no-one is worrying about overall stability and reliability.

  11. Re:HURD by Albert+Sandberg · · Score: 3, Funny

    I can't decide if this is funny or what so I don't wanna mod it, and since you're anonymous anyway I'll just assume it's RMS posting ;)

  12. Re:I KNOW I KNOW! by corychristison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wanna see Linux turn into "the platform" for AI. I read something about it already becoming that so that'd be sweet. Right now you all know the famous categories.
    Alright. I'm still with you.

    Windows is for business and other dumb stuff.
    Business: I personally disagree as I've been using Linux for all of my business needs since 2002... but then again that is just me. I am going to assume that the 'other dumb stuff' is video games and malware. I agree on that note... although there are some fun games for Linux available.

    Macs are apparently the thing to get for video and graphics work though I strongly disagree.
    Yeah... Mac's have their place and they seem to be more media oriented. A good friend of mine is just finishing his last year in school for Video Production and Design (4 year program), so far he has yet to use a Mac. So I agree with you on this point.

    And Linux is gonna be for anything with AI! Cuz AI programmers (and their programs) are smart enough to know that paying for an OS is stupid when you don't have to and you can't change much about the OS after you install it. And you don't need your AI creation freezing up while the OS makes a system restore point or crashing randomly (OS X and Windows).
    I like to see Linux as an open platform for *any* use. I, personally, use it for everything. From my laptop, to my home PC, to my media center to my embedded linux system in my car.

    And in 2009 I hope a giant pengiun robot attacks Microsoft headquarters.
    This kind of bothers me, really. Yes, we all know Microsoft is "evil". I've heard it too many times to count. I do not, however, advocate the idea of physically destroying the company. In a sense, we need Microsoft for MANY reasons. Their OS sucks, yes, but the mass amounts of people who use it still don't understand it and manage to break it's brain-dead design. This creates a HUGE market for people to fix these systems and networks. I've been doing it for quite some time (on the side, of course) and sometimes that money is nice. How do you think I was able to afford my media center? My laptop? etc. etc.

    I'm not trying to say we should necessarily support a company that has a lot of bad practices, but they create a huge market for us to make money. When they release a new OS, they beef up the minimum requirements for it and in turn brings prices of last gen products down in price for us to use.

    ... yup. :-)
  13. Re:3d desktops? by vertinox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    who put 3d desktops on the list? what a waste of cpu time.

    I think the idea was offload the desktop onto the GPU (who wouldn't be doing anything anyways until a game is loaded), which in theory would free up more CPU cycles for the regular old processor.

    Secondly, you can supposedly get better vector graphics and quicker response with a 3d engine for a desktop. The best example of this is of course not Linux for the Nintendo DS. Most 2d looking games for it are actually using a 3d engine because its easier to code for and less intensive on the CPU.

    That and it looks just as good at any resolution and screen DPI. It wasn't as big of an issue, but if you have a 30" monitor with an unreasonably high resolution and try to increase the size of your icons on a 2d desktop that doesn't use vectoring... You will notice how pixelated everything looks.

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  14. Re:I KNOW I KNOW! by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no reason that AI shouldn't be integrated into the OS, but "invisibly". Here's an example:

    Joe User gets a lot of email. He tends to be organized, so he likes to sort his mail into different folders. He could use procmail or his client's filtering capabilities, but why should he have to? OSS has good solutions to the text classifying problem

    If only the email client (or imap server) paid attention, he's already supplying all the input necessary for a text classifier to sort all his mail for him without any additional action on his part.

    When Joe (manually) moves an email from his inbox to a new folder, this is a training event.
    If Joe notices that an email is in an incorrect folder and moves it (manually) to the right one, this is a retraining event.

    This concept could be expanded to other applications: how about a window manager that remembers where you tend to arrange your applications and starts putting them in the right place to begin with? The ability do manually set placement rules like with KDE doesn't count. That's just a workaround for not using the information the user is already providing.

  15. What they're missing by Dasher42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I predict that LLVM and HLVM will gain steam. People are going to realize that this pair of abstractions is cleaner, leaner, and meaner than the current virtual machine + language + API way of doing things characterized by Java and .NET. The fact that a GPU can be used as a processor transparently where appropriate, just the way Apple already has with LLVM, is going to start the rethink that was cut short by Java and .NET's fiascoes of ownership or patents. They'll also start making development in compiled languages easier.

    This will be the open source response to the blurring lines between CPU and GPU task-wise, as the vector computing tasks could be done much quicker on the GPU based on the advances of LLVM, and applications will benefit transparently. It will be very cool.

  16. Re:Proves my point by pionzypher · · Score: 4, Informative

    You probably got modded because it was a crazy ass sounding rant against trying to predict tech trends by using religion. You then followed up with a bunch of offtopic tripe.

    Tech website speculating about the future of FOSS in the next year.... yeah... it happens. That's great that no one will remember who predicted what. That's not the point of the exercise. The point is to discuss it NOW for the heck of it. It most likely has nothing to do with hating religion.

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  17. OLPC vs clothes by Error27 · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the article: "And it is true that food and clothing may seem like more immediate priorities in many regions."

    Please do not send any more clothes. You've already killed off the local textile industry and put all the cotton farmers out of work with your free clothes. Who can compete with free crap? Please stop.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1076411.stm

    I no longer donate clothes for exactly this reason.

  18. Re:More Linux games! :( by Yosho · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why do they keep selling themselves to DirectX instead of OpenGL? GRRRR!

    Because DirectX and OpenGL are not equivalents. OpenGL is only an API for drawing graphics; with DirectX you can not only do graphics, but you can also handle sound, input, networking, and more. The only open source equivalent to DirectX that I'm aware of is SDL, which is perfectly usable, but honestly it's not nearly as powerful as DirectX is. If you want just as much power, you'll have to go hunting through half a dozen common different alternatives for every aspect of your game, and none of them will work on every Linux system out there.

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  19. Re:More Linux games! :( by RandomStyuf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Loki tried it, and failed miserably. There really isn't that much demand out there. Actually, I believe that Loki were very successful, as in, the company was profitable and the business model worked, and everything company wise was ok... The problem, from what I understood was more of the CEO and his wife using the companies funds as their personal bank account. Even if not, though, don't forget that Linux has changes substantially since 2002! In 2002 I would have never considered giving my sister any distro of Linux. Now my sister is dual booting openSuSE and Ubuntu debating with herself which she wants more (she has been dual booting them for over half a year, but she still can't choose...). My point is, the leaps Linux has made since 2002 are substantial, and anything that happened back then can not be used as an excuse now, because the landscape of the market is different. Ubuntu has introduced the idea of free operating systems to teenagers worldwide (I know at least in the USA, Belgium and Israel, where I've been working lately and talking to many Linux users) and many more would jump ship from Windows in an instant if they could play their games on it. If someone were to start a porting house, that would negotiate and port games and important programs over to Linux (important programs like the Adobe suit(Photoshop for example) and Quicken's programs), it would probably, not only be successful (provided they manage to find a good "platform" to base the "linux platform" on) but they will probably become very influential in matters of computer software.
  20. Re:What boons for FOSS are you looking forward to. by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just reiterating what the other poster said. In the normal world, you get paid for the work you do, not the work of your work. If I hire Bob to come build me a gate, he doesn't get to charge me every time someone comes through it. He is paid to build the gate and then he gets the hell out of my life. He only gets paid again if I need him to return and do more work.

    Same with the novel (or insert song, program, etc in here). You might have (and without copyright likely would have) been paid to write the story in the first place. Once you've been paid to write, you write the novel. Now, you can choose to only give it (or you could technically sell it) to the people who already gave you money, but the bottom line is you will have already been paid to write it. Once it's done your part is done and if people want to make copies of it to sell, or to give away, that's their own concern. If you want to keep raking in cash you better have written a story good enough that people are willing to pay you to write another one. And you better be willing to write a number of "sample" stories to begin with if you want anybody to start reading your stuff.

    With music, it's even easier. You could in the same way be paid to write the songs, or more likely you would be paid for live performances (ie, you are actually gonna have to get out there and do work again).

    With software, GPL isn't needed because if you release a closed source version of my code I'm just gonna decompile it, reimplement the changes in a high level language, and rerelease it again. If you want to be paid for software, someone will end up hiring you to do a custom program for them (ie, you must work, not live off imagined entitlement), or you can write free stuff and charge to support it (again, working).

    You also have to understand that not EVERYTHING will/would be feasible with copyright gone. It's a shift of society, but for the better. I'm sure if we reinstituted slavery we could achieve some absolutely marvelous feats in construction and such, but that doesn't mean it's something that a fair society should support. I seriously doubt large scale motion pictures as they currently stand would still be realistically profitable (though live theater certainly might return to a much more profitable status). That's not something we can't live without though, and it's certainly not worth instituting insanely oppressive laws over.Copyright instills a limited supply (and source) onto something that by nature is unlimited (and not really even tangible). It's one of the most perverted corruption of economics ever seen.

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  21. Re:I KNOW I KNOW! by Sergeant+Pepper · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...giant penguin robot... ...someone call the japanese... Wouldn't the Japanese be much more likely to build a giant octopus robot?
  22. As silly as this sounds coming from a Linux user.. by centuren · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd like either a nice port of iTunes or to find a better jukebox-type music player. I know I can get 100 suggestions right now for players people swear by, but nothing I've tried so far handles browsing, selection, and playback of music as well. In fact, I'd like a better version of iTunes, with features like the ability to classify a song as multiple genres, and have it show up under each.

    I've yet to try setting my Linux box up as a iTunes library sharing server (which makes sense with the Macs in the house but the media on my Linux desktop), but if that's not easy to maintain (adding/editing content) I'd like to see improvement there. I suppose that falls into the network media sharing server that's compatible with iTunes as a client category.

    Also, the traditional complaint about having to fiddle around. Why should I have to assign keystrokes to 8 of my 12 mouse buttons for it to work across everything (comfiz-fusion/kde, wine/wow, fluxbox, etc)?

  23. Re:More Linux games! :( by Trogre · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh wipe the Aspergers from your mouth and think about what the GP might have really meant, which was probably OpenGL vs Direct3D.

    Those two can most certainly be compared.

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  24. Re:More Linux games! :( by kazade84 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    SDL + OpenGL + OpenAL + OpenTNL (or HawkNL) + ODE + DevIL + FreeType. There you go, Windowing + Input + Threading, Graphics, Sound, Networking, Physics, Texture loading and Fonts all with a similar syntax (i.e. glEnable, alInit etc.) all also aim to be cross-platform and importantly, all bind together really well and will compile on pretty much any modern Linux distro, Windows or Mac OS. Of course Microsoft provides math functions (but honestly.. you only need to write a math lib once and there are plenty free ones out there anyway). Write a game using those libraries and you hardly need to do anything to make it completely cross-platform (just file paths *cough*boost-filesystem*cough* and a few other bits and pieces).

    There are 2 reasons Microsoft has a hold on the games market:

    1. They provided a decent, well-supported solution first (well by the time they got to DX7 or 8 anyway)
    2. Big games developers can't just change the way they work without a very VERY good reason.

    The only way we can expect a shift in Linux support in games is if Linux market share gets to about 20% and ATI/nVidia really start supporting open source drivers properly so Linux drivers can as fast (if not faster) than the Windows ones. It will happen... it'll just take time.