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Proof That Practice Does Make Perfect

eldavojohn sends us an article about a discovery by Carnegie Mellon researchers that explains why repetitive studying or training is effective. Previous research had suggested the opposite, which ran counter to nearly everyone's personal experience. Scientists hope that this information will help us to learn more about diseases which affect the memory, such as Alzheimer's. From the article: "In a series of experiments the researchers blocked different receptors, including NMDA, to see the receptors' effect on long-term neural stimulation. They found that while the NMDA receptor is required to begin neural strengthening, a second neurotransmitter receptor -- the metabotropic glutamate (mGlu) receptor -- comes into play after this first phase of cellular learning. ...blocking mGlu receptors caused strengthening to stop."

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  1. I think they're looking at this the wrong way ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... blocking mGlu receptors caused strengthening to stop.

    What I want to know is, how many people block their own mGlu receptors? I mean, there are an awful lot of people that just do not seem capable of learning from experience. Maybe they should be concentrating on finding a drug that will unstick those people's mGlu's.

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  2. Re:I think they're looking at this the wrong way . by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What I want to know is, how many people block their own mGlu receptors? I mean, there are an awful lot of people that just do not seem capable of learning from experience.

    So *that* explains the 2004 election. It all makes sense now.

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  3. Re:Sheesh by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The research is a little deeper than you imply, it seems to be showing the biochemical mechanism which causes this phenomenon. knowing that repetition helps learning is simple, knowing exactly why it does so is useful if we ever want to do anything interesting with our brains from a technological standpoint.

    as a bad analogy: knowing that an apple fell and whacked you on the head is obvious, knowing that the Earth curved space in such a way to allow this is something quite different.

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  4. Re:Sheesh by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, but intuition has no scientific validity, and the point here is not to prove that something is the way we all know it is, but to figure out why it works that way.

    It will be interesting to see if this discovery results in some nifty new drugs to improve the efficiency of the learning process. Wouldn't it be cool to be able to absorb vast quantities of information as easily as remembering a phone number? Hell, if popping a pill could give one the effect of an eidetic memory, it would revolutionize everything. Who cares how hard something is to use? Just read the manual. Once.

    Students could graduate from college with the equivalent of a dozen different degrees. Interdisciplinary cross-fertilization of ideas would be dramatically increased, the pace of progress would accelerate ... maybe something like this is what ushers in Vernor Vinge's Singularity.

    Okay, so maybe it's not such a good idea after all. I'd still like to have a bottle of those pills handy though.

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  5. Re:Sheesh by ComaVN · · Score: 5, Funny

    knowing that the Earth curved space in such a way to allow this is something quite different
    That's only a (flawed) theory. Intelligent falling is a much more plausible explanation.
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  6. Re:Sheesh by sakari · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone who actually read the article might tell you that was not the point of the article. They were wondering why the brain seems at first to weaken the synapses in parts of your brain after the initial learning phase. Now they discovered that actually the opposite happens in different parts of the brain after this initial process.

  7. This isn't as obvious as it looks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most people will agree that practice makes perfect. If you ask them which is more important, practice or talent, they will say that talent determines the degree of ultimate achievement. This, and other recent research, says they're wrong. Talent is highly over rated. Studies of experts and expert behavior show that a certain kind of practice produces talent.

    Just doing something a lot doesn't necessarily produce better ability. For instance one may play an hour of chess every day for years and never get much better. What is needed is 'deliberate practice'. Deliberate practice is methodical and involves learning from feedback. It is reflected in the old adage: "Practice doesn't make perfect; perfect practice makes perfect."

    http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ768512&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ768512

    Ericsson cites a study of musicians studying at university. Their professors were asked to rate the students' chances of making it as a symphony musician. The correlation with previous practice was very strong. Those who would become symphony musicians had practiced 10,000 hours before they got to university. The second group, who wouldn't likely make it had practiced 7500 hours or less. A third group who would become music teachers had only practiced around 2500 hours.

    Ericsson gives many examples of research that point out that deliberate practice is by far more important than 'talent'. Most people having trouble believing that.

  8. Tagged as 'duh'? Really? by Skrapion · · Score: 4, Funny

    Could everybody who tagged this as 'duh' explain to me exactly how you felt it was obvious that while the NMDA receptor is required to begin neural strengthening, the mGlu receptor causes strengthening to stop?

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  9. Blast Insightful. -5! by b1gp0pp4 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The researchers aren't explaining metaphysically "Why?" we learn by repetition,
    The researchers aren't stating "Repetition works, you should try it sometime because it's a brand new discovery!!"
    The only point of this experiment is that the researchers found the neurotransmitter and receptor sites that were shown to cause repetition to work, all we learn is that the chemical (mGlu) facilitates long-term learning...
    Long term memory creation is called coding in the psych literature, which may appeal to some of the pretentious and humble nerds alike.
    Now I love you guys, but we need to start moderating these "captain obvious" comments and stop making them in the first place.
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