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Boeing 787 May Be Vulnerable to Hacker Attack

palegray.net writes "An article posted yesterday on Wired.com notes that 'Boeing's new 787 Dreamliner passenger jet may have a serious security vulnerability in its onboard computer networks that could allow passengers to access the plane's control systems, according to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration.' They're already working on solutions to the problem - including placing more physical separation between aircraft networks and implementing more robust software-based firewalls."

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  1. Restriction on software during flight? by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 5, Funny

    No more playing MS Flight Sim.

    1. Re:Restriction on software during flight? by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nope, you'll have to switch to Flight Gear http://www.flightgear.org/

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    2. Re:Restriction on software during flight? by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Funny


      Bluetooth alert: New device detected, Boeing 787 Dreamliner, install?

    3. Re:Restriction on software during flight? by Nullav · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well I'd assume at least those intending to make use of this would. That's like asking how many people have lock picks, when talking about securing doors.

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    4. Re:Restriction on software during flight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here is the cartoon that this text has probably been taken from.

  2. I don't get it... by Spalti · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why aren't both networks physically completely seperated from each other?

    1. Re:I don't get it... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why can you remotely control aircraft systems at all? There should be no network equipment to compromise in the first place!

    2. Re:I don't get it... by Nibbler999 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably to save weight on cabling/hardware.

    3. Re:I don't get it... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe because their network designer has a civilian background instead of a military background?

    4. Re:I don't get it... by dunezone · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly, who the hell thought that it would be a good idea to allow the passenger network and pilot network system to even communicate with each other.

      Oh wait I got it, what if terrorist took over the cabin, but then a passenger(Justin Long) who is a master hacker controls the plane from his seat using his cell phone, and safely lands the plane but after he flipped it a few times so the terrorist would be knocked unconscious. Who has Bruckheimer's phone number I have an idea.

    5. Re:I don't get it... by badasscat · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why can you remotely control aircraft systems at all? There should be no network equipment to compromise in the first place!

      The 787 is fly by wire, like most new aircraft designs. It's all computer controlled, not mechanical.

      My guess is this - the "common core system" designed by Honeywell - has something to do with the various systems being connected. This is a system designed to simplify the airplane's various systems and reduce the number of separate systems (which means fewer failure points - usually a good thing in engineering). I do believe Boeing when they say that there are built-in separations and that the two systems are not completely tied together, but obviously it wasn't enough for the FAA. So they're fixing it. Nothing really all that unusual about a new airplane design; there are always various issues that need to be addressed before first flight.

    6. Re:I don't get it... by Naughty+Bob · · Score: 3, Informative

      It is mandatory that the avionics are physically disconnected from other systems. The story is a consequence of the Wired writers misunderstanding the FAA's report. A comment (by 'Vorsicht') in the article's comments points this out....

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    7. Re:I don't get it... by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh wait I got it, what if terrorist took over the cabin, but then a passenger(Justin Long) who is a master hacker controls the plane from his seat using his cell phone, and safely lands the plane but after he flipped it a few times so the terrorist would be knocked unconscious. Who has Bruckheimer's phone number I have an idea. Wrong, wrong, wrong! Everyone knows all the l33t ub3r h4ck3r$ use MacBooks.

      Now, maybe, if the cell phone is a iPhone... It may be plausible....
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    8. Re:I don't get it... by Com2Kid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This article is FUD. I worked on the 787 avionics during my internship in summer 2006 on the exact system the article is talking about. It has been awhile so I don't know what is still under NDA and what isn't, but anyone who has taken a basic networking class and who knows how the network is setup will have no worries at all.

      (stupid NDA...)

    9. Re:I don't get it... by pchan- · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Modern cars have two or more control networks. The class-1 network controls things vital to the car operation and safety such as the anti-lock brakes, air bags, and steering. The class-2 network(s) are for things such as rolling down your windows, controlling your CD changer, and turning on your headlights. NOTHING is allowed on the class-1 net without rigorous validation. If your satellite radio module goes bad, it won't stop you from being able to safely control your vehicle. And these are just control networks, they are not allowing hundreds of users to bring in their personal computers and an Internet connection.

      Reading the story, it seemed like they wanted the airplane's maintenance systems to communicate with ground crews over the Internet, as well the aircraft reporting status to the airline while in flight. Personally, I'm uncomfortable with any part of the aircraft's vital systems being on the Internet.

    10. Re:I don't get it... by bepe86 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The reason for that is simple. Techs in the military (at least in the nation where I'm hired, are practically brainwashed into seperating every system regardless of classification, to prevent hazards like this. It's really a royal pain in the ass, especially when you have to deploy 4 or 5 parallell networks using fibre optics only to take it down in a week or two, when one network could've served it all, but it is totally understandable, and I think that a lot of civilian businesses has a lot to learn when it comes to this.

    11. Re:I don't get it... by fartingfool · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My guess is it has to do with controlling the actual system for the passenger use. Pilots gotta have access to the No Smoking sign switch for example. So without any real technical background in how these systems work, I'd say they were simply given a switch to turn access on or off etc, and that simply meant some sort of basic connection had to be issued between the cockpit systems and passenger entertainment systems.

      The FAA report doesn't say exactly what the connection is between the systems, it just says there is a connection. My guess is it's the FAA over-hyping a situation, or someone else, to try and get these birds as safe as possible. Although I would agree that the passenger system should be as isolated as possible, and if control of these systems is needed, just run separate lines that link only to that system, even if it is basically pointless if the connection I assume it is really is that simple. I guess i welcome my first post to /. too after reading it for a year or so and keepin my thoughts to myself =D

    12. Re:I don't get it... by Linker3000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      A simple solution would be to use Token Ring for the avionics and plain old 100BaseT for the passenger areas - and then send to Guantanamo anyone Googling 'madge' or 'wtf is 802.5'.

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    13. Re:I don't get it... by jamstar7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      More like, the 12 year old kid with his pocket videogame accidently hacking the network while playing a flight sim game and doing some stunt flying with the plane. Can you say ''ooppss!'?

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    14. Re:I don't get it... by rlk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Not completely connected" is a very strange phrase. I could say that my laptop is "not completely connected" to the internet because there's a router between them. But either there's a connection between the two networks or there isn't. I don't know what it means to be connected at some points and not at others.

      The pilots certainly do need access to some of the cabin systems, for the seatbelt sign, for example. They may also need to be able to turn the cabin network off altogether. But those switches should have no signal connection of any kind to the maintenance and monitoring/control systems. The two networks should be physically partititioned.

      The way I read the article, there really are some connections between the networks (my guess is that it was simply cheaper or more convenient to link them), and the FAA's not happy with that state of affairs. I can't say I blame them.

      Somehow I have a suspicion that someone will crack this sooner or later, and the TSA will react by banning use of laptops or something equally foolish, rather than addressing the more basic fact that the plane's systems have not been hardened appropriately (in this case, by being physically partitioned).

    15. Re:I don't get it... by NoPantsJim · · Score: 5, Funny

      Claiming that you're under an NDA made me think you were completely BSing and trying to raise your e-coolness level.

      Then I saw your sig and realized you must be a college student studying engineering/networking/compsci. Sorry I ever doubted you.

    16. Re:I don't get it... by dkf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why aren't both networks physically completely seperated from each other? You want some kind of bridge from one to the other - lots of aircraft can show a whole range of flight data to passengers ("ooh, we've got a headwind over Greenland today! Guess we won't be early after all.") - but that should be strictly one-way. Which is probably the problem; there shouldn't be any way for anyone in the passenger cabin to issue instructions to the plane contrary to those from the flight deck, but I bet they found they couldn't prove it...
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    17. Re:I don't get it... by GaryOlson · · Score: 4, Funny

      Exactly. The lower air pressure on the ether in the net could cause the firewall filter to actually pass packets as a result of reverse osmosis. This could be quite evident in streaming data which could possibly sublimate into a data cloud -- for which the filter was not designed. Albeit, the temperature will have to be increased in the firewall; or a longer timeout will need to be configured to allow for the higher altitude.

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    18. Re:I don't get it... by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Not completely connected" is a very strange phrase... either there's a connection between the two networks or there isn't. I don't know what it means to be connected at some points and not at others. There could be a data diode between them. That would allow the passengers to see flight path and sensor statistics and hear the cabin radio, and allow the cabin lights and indicators to be controlled from the cockpit side without being physically isolated, but nothing on the cabin side could influence the cockpit side. They might also want to electrically isolate the two sides to block power surges from reaching the avionics (although they should already be hardened enough to handle that, because lightning strikes airplanes sometimes).
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    19. Re:I don't get it... by ckedge · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you're saying that the networks ARE connected, and it's only the routers and the "networking" that "separate" them.

      [extreme sarcasm] Routers and switches have never had vulnerabilities before... I'm not worried at all!!![/e]

      Please leave the mission-critical security analysis to the rest of us, okay NEWB?

    20. Re:I don't get it... by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >The pilots certainly do need access to some of the cabin systems, for the seatbelt sign, for example.

      Why does there have to be a "network" for this at all? What happened to a simple *switch*, *light bulbs*, and wires to connect them to the battery? It's reliable, works well, and cheap. And you don't have to worry about passengers hacking the jet through the seatbelt light.

      Why are companies so obsessed with making things needlessly complicated these days? I'm a geek, and love computers. But there are some things that are so simple, you don't need a computer to make them work. The seatbelt light on a plane is one of these things. Snap switch. Light bulbs. Power source. Wires. DONE. End of story.

    21. Re:I don't get it... by Angostura · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, to be clear. Every seat has a seat-back screen in front of it, capable of displaying messages - but you would prefer a separate wire going to every seat to power a 'fasten your seatbelts' bulb?

      Uh, OK.

    22. Re:I don't get it... by DieByWire · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That being said, there's a lot of regulation in the aerospace industry. Planes don't just fall out of the sky on accident.

      Actually, we try pretty hard to make sure that when it does happen, it is an accident.

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    23. Re:I don't get it... by stu72 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All very true, but I think the idea most people are trying to get across is that instead of 1 Ethernet network linking everything, or 1 wire for each function, there should be at least 2 Ethernets. 1 for critical control elements. 1 for everything else. No connection. None. I can't see this significantly increasing the cost/weight/etc. And it's the only way to ensure the plane is not susceptible to network attacks.

    24. Re:I don't get it... by nonsequitor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The article is not FUD, I don't know where you worked, but having worked on embedded systems for several planes, this one included, though indirectly since I ended up writing about 1/3 of the code base for the electronic flight bag for the 777, which is being used in the 787. I've also worked on systems for the new A380, all at various companies which Boeing and or EADS subcontract to for the various widgets that make up a plane.

      However, the system integrators are Boeing engineers at the manufacturing plant in Everett, WA. The decision to connect internal subnets to a live network would most likely be done at that level, by people who are not security minded, but have to make things as easy as possible for the people who buy these systems and have to use them, the airlines. The amount of users that have legitimate purposes for accessing these systems and communicating with them from the airline's network at the airport (another security risk) is very diverse. Many of which have to be assumed to be completely technologically illiterate.

      This combined with the fact that everything is ALWAYS LATE, so its rushed rather than designed correct the first time, leaves a non-zero probability that the network can become compromised from an attack which exploits vulnerabilities in these machines segregating the plane's systems from the passenger systems. Odds are its either a common industrial partitioned operating system (fancy talk for sandboxes, which may or may not be escapable), or a common one like a licensed and modified embedded windows, or embedded linux or BSD, depending on the vendor.

      I know for a fact though that some of those systems are embedded linux and advertised as such. What if one of those systems were designed on a 2.5 kernel? Impossible you say? There is a risk, dismissing it as FUD does not make it less of a risk.

    25. Re:I don't get it... by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you increase the temperature in the firewall you have to be very careful not to melt the Black ICE behind it.

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    26. Re:I don't get it... by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Now that is a complete furphy. Data flow network can be completely separate from a control system. If hardware can only detect an single increase in power that is all that it is capable of, it can not magically mystically accept digital data transmission. For a laptop if you connect it to a power point even when it is possible to send digital transmission down that power cable there is no way in hell that laptop will be able to accept that signal unless the transformer in the laptop has additional specific hardware to accept and decode that signal.

      As for that earlier post that having more systems connected means fewer failure points that is a lie it mores more failure points not less in the system and it is harder to discover the actuall failure point and when one part of the system suffers a catastrophic failure often the whole system fails. Higher cost of maintenance, far higher replacement costs but far cheaper initial installation that is all that is provided by a fully interconnected system, and strangely enough it all adds together for greater profits for the aircraft manufacturer.

      Air gap is the only real security in a hard wired network and there can be no guarantee of security in a wireless network (as dollars will always gain you access in a world of greed).

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    27. Re:I don't get it... by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except when trying to take over the plane to protect it from the hijackers. In that case, Justin Long would use his cracked iPhone with an ssh terminal on it. Duh.

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    28. Re:I don't get it... by tylernt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but to transfer that information there does need to be a connection somewhere.
      Yes, and I'll tell you how do it. Have an infrared transmitter on the avionics side and an IR receiver on the passenger side (the avionics has no receiver and the passengers have no transmitter) and aim them at each other. Now you can broadcast speed, altitude etc information without ever worrying about vulnerabilities (not even a raw power surge).

      There, I've just done three hundred man-hours of six-figure-salary engineering... in 5 minutes. I'll wait by my mailbox for the check. Thanks!
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    29. Re:I don't get it... by SillyNickName4me · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why should cabin systems be the pilot's responsibility at all? Let the flight attendants attend to seatbelts and lighting and climate control, and let the pilot keep his attention on flying the plane.


      Because the cabin systems directly affect resource usage.

      - An enterprising hijacker could use this to drain the available electrical energy and make operating the aircraft difficult to impossible

      - A pilot needs to be able to shutdown systems in case of emergency (like, we only have 50% generator capacity because we lost an engine, is it going to be used to actually fly the airplane, or to present nice pictures on displays in the cabin)

      Even when you make flight attendants responsible for it in normal circumstances, you do need a way to override it from the cockpit.
    30. Re:I don't get it... by Fred_A · · Score: 5, Funny

      So, to be clear. Every seat has a seat-back screen in front of it, capable of displaying messages - but you would prefer a separate wire going to every seat to power a 'fasten your seatbelts' bulb?

      Uh, OK. I'm in favor of a full fledged IRC server so that the pilots can talk to the passengers. After all if you have a network why not use it. /join UA435
      --- Welcome to Flight United Airlines 435 to Tokyo
      --- Please read the safety card in the back of the seat on fron of you

      <seat44G> HOW DOES THIS THING WORK?
      <seat112A> LOL n00b !!!
      <Pilot> Please fasten your seatbelts

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    31. Re:I don't get it... by AlecC · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cost and complexity. The wiring loom for the aircraft is becoming heavy and complex. The reason the A380 was nearly two years late was because of problems in the wiring loom, cause by incompatible CAD systems between France and Germany. The fact that it took so long to correct an (inexcusable) cockup in the wiring shows how complicated the damn things are. The 747 is said to have 500km of wire in it: that weighs, and weight is fuel consumption, cost, and CO2 emission.

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    32. Re:I don't get it... by AlecC · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you are about to enter turbulence, the captain must turn on the seatbelt light and get on the PA to tell everybody to sit down NOW, not when he can get the attention of an attendant puring coffee half way down the cabin.

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    33. Re:I don't get it... by phoenix321 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Override yes, full control no. Let the pilot have a three-way switch that can be set to "full on", "reduced power" (lights, maybe meals but no entertainment) and "all non-critical subsystems off" (20x 1W emergency LED lighting only). And the rest can then be set by the main flight attendant.

      This way, the pilot has an quick and easy chance of turning everything off in an emergency and the layer separation between avionics and utilitiy systems is as good as it can be. No hacker and hijacker can then drain the plane's energy supply AND no hacker can interfere with the flight controls.

      Simple, reliable one-way connections only. For data transfer we have things like forward error corrections already and the optical one-way interconnect should work extremely well. Use a standard gigabit optical fiber connection with only the sending fiber connected, as the IR-connection is too simply and error prone. Gigabit fiber has enough bandwidth, is electrically isolating and inherently secure. Why don't they use optical connections for the airplane version of the CAN bus anyway?

  3. The only totally secure network by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... is one that's physically isolated. I can't think of one good reason why passengers should have any access whatsoever to command/control networks used by the airplane.

    1. Re:The only totally secure network by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... is one that's physically isolated.

      I work in ATC and I have to say it is difficult to do that in a totally thorough way. For example your flight control system might need information on the flight plans being used by the aircraft. These might be generated off line by a variety of people using different sources of information. You don't want type that stuff in again to get it into the aircraft so you might have some kind of interface for doing that. The interface will be made deliberately crude, and thus less subject to the transmission of arbitrary data, but I am sure there will be a link of sorts between the a list of flights in some managers copy of excel and a few bytes of data in the flight control system.

      ATC systems are like this. They are technically air gapped but they have links to the outside world and increasingly the operators expect to be able to make use of this information. How else does information on flight movements get on to the web? They don't have people typing that stuff in.

  4. Two seperate networks by maxrate · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not an avionics engineer - however, even in a small hotel I service, we keep the guest network and the hotel/admin network seperate. The only common hardware is the AC power and the modem that has a /28 assigned to it.

    1. Re:Two seperate networks by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Note: IAAFMAT(I am a former military avionics technician) and I ask, "why the hell did that happen?" The flight control subsystems should share only a power bus with the non-critical subsystems(if even that). My tinfoil-hat theory is that the control system was made to be hackable so that the government could take control of a hijacked aircraft to prevent another 9/11 (or to cause another 9/11, depending on your point of view).

    2. Re:Two seperate networks by canuck57 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not an avionics engineer - however, even in a small hotel I service, we keep the guest network and the hotel/admin network seperate. The only common hardware is the AC power and the modem that has a /28 assigned to it.

      Yes, but you are competent.

    3. Re:Two seperate networks by ddrichardson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am a Military Avionics Technician and I must admit that I find this report confusing.

      The only thing that is being suggested is that the passenger system could corrupt the flight systems which I find unlikely - it's chalk and cheese with regard to how these systems communicate. The only way I can see a problem is if one of the Avionic bus controllers is swamped by requests from one of the passenger systems.

      I know this isn't a military design but surely the flight systems such as flight management and navigation are not on the same bus?

      Disclaimer - Digital is new in my countries military ;-)

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  5. WHAT?!? by koh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nowadays you cannot get on a plane carrying any kind of gel or liquid. Hell, you there are places where you can't even get on board with a lighter. However, I've always been able to travel with my laptop (don't want "luggage management" to break it), provided that I prove it's a real laptop (i.e. turn it on).

    And now this? What does that mean? I won't be able to board a plane with my laptop again, that's what that means. And who can I blame? The frightened Homeland Security officers who try to no end to sanitize flights with the Stupid Fear Of The Month, of the inept engineers who let that security flaw slip into production on a flying aircraft?

    And where's my flying car?

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    1. Re:WHAT?!? by dwater · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nowadays you cannot get on a plane carrying any kind of gel or liquid. Not correct (unless things have changed in the past week). There are restrictions, but you can carry them on. From memory, liquids/gels have to be in containers of less than 100ml, and be placed in a clear plastic bag (I forget the volume of the bag, but they're not big and give them out at the security check point).
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  6. Madness by UESMark · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is pretty much the exact type of situation they invented red/black networks for. I can't imagine how any design for a passenger accessible network wouldn't use completely segregated networks for a)passenger use, b)flight logistics and maintenance, and c)actual flight control operations. And given the giant nightmarish spiderweb that aircraft wiring harnesses tend to be I'm guessing it will be a non-trivial task to implement it now, even ignoring the software and systems redesigns that would be required.

  7. Yeah, WTF!? by mobby_6kl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What kind of an idiot would put the flight control systems and the on-board entertainment/voip/net/pr0n on the same physical network? Were they trying to save weight/money by running only one cable through the plane?
    I recall reading about MS stuffing their software into cars (that probably evolved into Ford's SYNC) and even there the MS crap and the engine management systems were completely separate.

  8. who cares? by f1055man · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are a few million easier ways to bring down an aircraft (or kill thousands and cause panic if that's your thing). Yes this is idiocy in engineering, but considering all the other threats I don't think it's way up the list. Ultimately, we aren't dead yet because there just aren't that many intelligent people that want to kill us, cause it just isn't that hard to pull off.

  9. Madness, and probably a violation of safety regs by Protonk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am not an avionics engineer, but I worked with electrical and electronic systems on nuclear power plants, and we had a pretty strict segregation between different types of systems--and with 0 connection between a critical system (power sensing, for example) and a non-critical system (Some water level management). That's not even COUNTING peripheral systems (computers on the local netowrk for email/ppt/xls).

    My thought is that some asshole at boeing decided to save some money on cable runs and ginned up an explanation of how software segregation would serve as an adequate barrier between flight critical systems and passenger systems. They never learn.

  10. Doesn't say how the networks are connected.... by poor_boi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The article doesn't specify how the networks are connected. It could be something fairly innocuous like sharing the same power source. I seriously doubt they put the passenger internet access on the same packet-switched network as flight control. But who knows...

  11. Someone should get fired for this by Aaron+Isotton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If what TFA claims is really true, i.e. that the passenger network is physically connected to the control and navigation system, then someone should get fired for this.

    The control and navigation system of an airplane is one of the most critical networks possible; the lives of hundreds of passengers (and potentially of thousands of people on the ground) depend on its correct functioning. There are not many more critical networks than that, except maybe control systems for weapons, nuclear plants and some factory control systems.

    Even the worst sysadmin out there knows that you do not physically connect such a highly sensitive, highly critical network to something crappy like the in-flight passenger entertainment network.

    Why should the two networks should be connected at all? To tell the passengers the current speed of the plane?

    The XBox was hacked. The playstation was hacked. DVDs were hacked. HD-DVD was hacked. Pretty much anything out there was hacked if someone had an interest in it (and mostly the interest wasn't commercial, just "for fun"). Even if they do aren't "completely connected" as Boeing claims, the danger of it being hacked is very real. On one hand you are not allowed to use your mobile phone on a plane, and on the other you can play with a network which is attached to the navigation and control system? Come on.

  12. Pilots access to Internet by alegrepublic · · Score: 4, Funny
    My guess is that the navigation and control network is connected to the Internet for one of the following reasons:
    • If the plane deviates from the flight plan, access to Google Maps may become handy to plan a new route
    • While on autopilot, access to certain web sites may provide some entertainment to the captain, who usually is a lonely man
    • Given the bad quality of many onboard speakers, announcements from the cockpit can be emailed or IM'ed to passengers
    • Hacker intrusion may be a better excuse than malfunctioning engine as the reason for a plane crash
    • No more planes grounded due to lack of pilot operating manual, as it could be easily downloaded from the Internet
    I am sure there are many other good reasons to connect the navigation network to the Internet, so this list is not exhaustive.
  13. Aviation software by shawkin · · Score: 4, Informative

    The flight control and avionics networks as well as the hardware are separate from the passenger network.
    The concern is that a separate network of maintenance and some limited flight information data share the same up/down links as the passenger network. The FAA notice is to demonstrate to the FAA that there can be no interference between the maintenance and flight information data and the passenger network.
    Even if the maintenance and flight information data were compromised, at worst this would mean that the operating history of the aircraft is not accurate. This is a big deal but not something that will lead to in flight failure.
    An additional requirement of the FAA notice is to prohibit future passenger services without testing for interference and security.

  14. The Equipment in Question by nonsequitor · · Score: 3, Informative
    http://www.astronautics.com/new/PIDDemo/Piddemo.html

    With 2 of those in the cockpit, one for pilot, one for copilot, each running 2 Operating Systems Linux/Windows, and all networked together since each box has 6 network interfaces on it. The thing would be a field day for hackers. While they were designing it a bunch of the consultants helping with the coding were ranting about possible security, but were ignored.

    I can't go into specifics because of my NDA, but considering it was 4 years ago I worked on it, I doubt that is still in force. Though I believe I can say I worked on it, and that information is all publicly available.

  15. It's not UNSAFE it's uncompliant to CFR 14 regs by gelfling · · Score: 5, Informative

    Did you READ the report? I did. It doesn't say anything is unsafe. What it says is there are unique architectures in the systems that put them at odds with CFR 14 regulations compliance whether they present an actual or potential danger or not. Furthermore there's a comment in the report which states that Airbus objects to the regulatory findings on the basis that the 'standard' is too high level to offer any concrete value for implementation or compliance.

    Like any other IT security audit - compliance doesn't mean security it means compliance. And in the cases where there are deviations from the standard, the system has to be able to speak to that deviation and address it or contest it.

  16. Re:Wow, this is scary by ddrichardson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If that worries you, then I look into Airbus - at least Boeing beleives the pilot should always have the last say, not the computer

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  17. Re:Madness, and probably a violation of safety reg by ddrichardson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My thought is that some asshole at boeing decided to save some money on cable runs

    While I completely agree, designers are always under pressure to reduce the amount of wiring looms - they add a surptising amount of weight thereby decreasing fuel economy.

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  18. Doesn't this make Boeing sound stupid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it just me, or does this make Boeing (or at least this spokeswoman in the article) sound like a real grade A moron?

              The choice quotes to me were the article's quote that the solution involves some separation of networks, known as 'air gaps', and software firewalls. And the choice quote straight from the spokewoman from Boeing: "There are places where the networks are not touching, and there are places where they are".

              OK, so what, having the networks only connected at some points should reassure me somehow? It only takes a single interconnection to have these logically be a single network as far as hacking into it is concerned. I'm also DEEPLY troubled by the statement about using a software firewall. (Any firewall is really some box running software; the term "software firewall" typically implies a windows box running software.. which would be deeply troubling.) It is also troubling to me that they are even willing to imply that adding air gaps at *SOME* points amounts to anything. Sorry, saying a network has an air gap means that it is NOT connected to insecure networks.. not that it's connected at fewer points. (Although, I suppose they cold be confusing things, adding air gaps in the electrical sense, so an etherkiller on the entertainment network doesn't blow out the control network.)

  19. Re:Madness, and probably a violation of safety reg by Protonk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right. I also posted a link later that showed that I was overestimating the seperation required between critical systems and non-critical systems and among critical systems. That being said, I don't feel that most of the decisions to skimp on safety measures are taken by engineers, they are taken by management over the protests of engineers. In my experience, engineers tend to overdo it. :)

  20. Hi There ... by IchBinEinPenguin · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... It looks like you're trying to take over the flight controls ...

    Or, for a more unix-y flavour...

    # cat /dev/random > /dev/aileron

  21. Where your flying car is... by ImaLamer · · Score: 2, Funny

    As described on a Seinfeld episode:


    GEORGE: When are they gonna have the flying cars, already?
    JERRY: Yeah, they have been promising that for a while..
    GEORGE: Years. When we were kids, they made it seem like it was right around the corner.
    JERRY: I think Ed Begley Jr. has one.
    GEORGE: No. That's just electric.
    JERRY: What about Harrison Ford? He had one in, uh, Blade Runner. That was a cool one.
    GEORGE: (Sarcastic) What's the competition, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang?
    JERRY: Well, what do you think the big holdup is?
    GEORGE: The government is very touchy about us being in the air. Let us run around on the ground as much as we want. Anything in the air is a big production.
    JERRY: Yeah, right. And what about the floating cities?
    GEORGE: And the underwater bubble cities?
    JERRY: It's like we're living in the '50s here!

  22. Act of Faith by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Considering Boeing is the world's leader in passenger aircraft, how about we just give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't retards?

    "Sure, Boeing's spent a decade designing this plane with thousands of engineers, but I read a short Slashdot story summary and now I'm going to decree I know more than them!"

  23. Re:ARINC 653 by VE3MTM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ARINC 653? Um, no. 653 is an operating system interface specification, analogous to POSIX in the consumer market. It says nothing about interconnect mechanisms.

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  24. Further proof Wired SUCKS at news. by GigG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The FAA document in question is basically saying that there needs to be some previously unneeded standards for certification for the 787 just to make sure that the electronics can't be used to do what the Wired artcle and the headline of this thread threatens.

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  25. A little perspective by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Queue up 11,000 A/C posts about H4X0RZ Cr45h1n6 for REALZ Do0DEZ!.

    This is not a "Windows vs Linux" thing. These are highly specialized data networks designed specifically for aircraft. The typical running life of a big jet is some 40 years or more - the idea of a consumer O/S such as Windows (or even Linux) being suitable for such a situation is simply stupid. Everything is coded in firmware, micro-processor based, with a likelyhood of actually crashing accidentally being somewhat less likely than getting struck by lightning on a sunny day while sitting in the cellar of your 4-story house.

    Not bloody likely.

    But, actual, malicious attack? Possible - and if there was *ANY* connection between the passenger data networks and the main control networks, that's an issue that must be addressed.

    Most likely, the FAA found some part that was connected to both networks, that itself was not capable of actually transmitting data. But they're being car eful, as is their job, since lives are on the line.

    Go FAA!

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    1. Re:A little perspective by stickystyle · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't discount the idea of boeing using some COTS operating system, that always cheaper.
      Lest us not forget the USS Yorktown

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  26. Oh my God they did it... by hpa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back in college, 15 years ago now, I was hanging out on one of the networking Usenet groups when someone asked whether or not laptops supported Token Ring. The answer, from many sources, was that you could get PCMCIA cards for them (built-in networking wasn't common in that era), but that they would be much more expensive than Ethernet. We got the response that the original poster was an engineer with Boeing, he was researching passenger networking, and "we can't use Ethernet because it is not real-time enough for fly by wire." (The fly-by-wire system of the 777 is indeed based on Token Ring; since then the aviation industry has developed a spec fly-by-wire-capable Ethernet which the 787 uses.)

    So there definitely was some notion already back then to tie the passenger networking into the same system as the fly-by-wire. Needless to say, the group (including yours truly, an undergraduate college student) responded with disbelief, and until today I thought they would have scrapped that idea ten times over before ever getting close to an aircraft. Apparently that optimistic view was totally wrong.

    (Note: it is possible to have *one-way* airgap security, which would provide, say, navigation information to the passenger network while physically eliminating the possibility of interference in the other direction. All it takes is one-way communications hardware. Needless to say, it's pretty obvious from the vagueness that they're not doing that -- they would have stated so in no uncertain terms.)

  27. Primer on AFDX and criticism for the 787 by quarkie68 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Things can be engineered properly. However, in the aviation industry, I would be worried more about other areas, such as the security standards of inter ATC communications. There is one threat vector by compromising a single aircraft and another for compromising the ATC of a district area center or a major airport with hundreds to thousands of planes depending on them!

    Anyway, as I had been involved with some avionics work, it is incredibly difficuly (not impossible) to compromise the control signals for basic surface control on an Avionics Full-Duplex Switched Ethernet (AFDX) ARINC-664 network, the type of standard used for Aircraft Data Networks. You can google it, but for a quick summary, it is a deterministic full duplex version of Ethernet with additional bits and bobs to safeguard redundancy and message integrity. The message integrity spec means that due to special protocols, when a cockpit console control (say the throttle) needs to transmit to the engine FADEC, the actual module on the engine not only expects to receive a relevant message from the right domain (there are different domains such as electrical flight control, communications, pneumatics), but also from a very specific component (that has a serial number). The point is that you cannot re-route messages easily and there is some sort of authentication of components talking to each other. It is incredibly difficult for someone to replay an engine switch off message that should be routed to the engine and make it to appear that it comes from the console switch of the cockpit, when in fact it comes from an external hacker. This combined with the fact that the core OS is probably some real-time micro-kernel derivative with specially obscured commands (Wind River VxWorks, other?), makes things more difficult.

    Having said that, security through obscurity and whatever authentication/authorization system is not a panacea for the lifes of 200-300 people that travel at mach 0.8 at 35000 feet. Even if there is someone that succeeds in getting in, in the Airbus version of the system, the pilot has the option to shut off external comms by resetting the external link. None of the critical parts (main MCUs, core switching components) have erasable firmware, so...somebody could be cut off easily, if she is detected on time and provided that it does not create a situation to put the aircraft in a non reversible situation (nose dive, spin). And this is where they fail. They *might* consider now IDS/IPS mechanisms, but so far they might have NOT done it. That is the first point.

    The second point I don't like is the way Boeing deploys IMA, the Integrated Modular Avionics system. Both Boeing and Airbus have reduced the number of discrete avionics units to make the aircraft lighter and simplify maintenance (so both use 1 core network for everything). However, whilst the A380's IMA has 8 processing modules all tied together by an AFDX network, Boeing has 3 distinct units with less degree of autonomy from the comms network. It does not mean that everyone can get in and start playing flight sim, but there are less obstructions to place out of the way.

    I hope that they will include IDS/IPS on the core network. Whatever firewall or other solution they might have, it is good to know that someone is likely to be in, even after the effect and chop the connection at the right time under conditions. Integration cannot be avoided. It can only be managed.

  28. IFE security is not a priority by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've worked for the In-Flight Entertainment industry, specifically for systems that go onto 787s (A380, etc.).

    The connection between the IFE and avionics is NOT as tenuous as Gunter tries to say. There is a direct link (Ethernet over fibre or UTP) between the avionics and the IFE. Traffic is supposed to be passed through a managed switch, but the switch is embedded in the IFE.

    Bit of background:

    An IFE system is MORE complex than a small-medium business. There are hundreds of workstations, a multi-chassis (and multiple-CPU per chassis) server room, and a multitude of switches between them, with the possibility of wired and wireless connections for crew and passengers. This is all supposed to some up, without human intervention, from a simultaneous application of power to all components, within a few minutes. Even if some components have been swapped from spare and DO NOT have the appropriate software or configuration for the aircraft on which they are installed. Do NOT try this at home.

    The problem is the management of the IFE companies, or, at least, the one I worked for. Senior management is totally, completely, utterly, (you get the picture) clueless regarding security, but know enough buzzwords to consider themselves expert. Security is the LAST consideration in system implementation, and will be sacrificed for any of several reasons: management has promised some blue-sky deadline for delivery; the "magic" autoconfiguration must work despite security holes; it's too much trouble to use SSH and manage the keys, so we'll just use telnet and ftp, with static, or no, passwords; someone decides to use a handheld crew device that can't do proper wireless security, so just skip it.

    Back to embedded switch: the box in which it is embedded will have the best firewall a very bright, but overworked programmer, pressured to meet insanely unrealistic demands, can accomplish.

    There is a fantasy that no one will try to crack the system, since the potential punishment is too severe, which may, although I don't believe it, deter attempting to get free drinks, or capture the movie streams, but it isn't going to stop someone trying to crash the plane.

  29. Re:Wow, this is scary by Iloinen+Lohikrme · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually the reason why Airbus uses computers so extensively is that computers know better what the airplane can take and can't take in a any given situation. The problem with airplanes, especially big jets and super jumbos is that they are very delicate and very fragile machines, and if you do something with them, that goes over their capacity, then you will have with very high probability plane coming down. Like in example American Airlines Flight 587 that came down because the pilot made too aggressive inputs which eventually braked the vertical stabilizer. Accidentally the crashed plane was an Airbus A300 which didn't have fly-by-wire controls.

    To quote Wikipedia: "Boeing and Airbus differ in their FBW philosophies. In Airbus aircraft, the computer always retains ultimate control and will not permit the pilot to fly outside the normal flight envelope. In a Boeing 777, the pilot can override the system, allowing the plane to be flown outside this envelope in emergencies. The pattern started by Airbus A320 has been continued with the Airbus family and the Boeing 777. The Boeing 787 makes some minor improvements in the control laws, adopting some protections that Airbus has had in place for decades."

    Now, yes, computers can make mistakes and they for certainly have bugs, but still again, I would trust more on flying with a plane which has computerized control and a good safety record. So all in all for me that there is a system that says to pilot "no, you can't do that. no that's too hard. let's do this instead." is a definitive plus.

  30. Re:Why Networks by Alioth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Most aircraft? That's a bit of a sweeping statement.

    The world's most popular short/medium range airliner, the Boeing 737, has control cables (and hydraulic boost). It's entirely possible to control a 737 with no electricity and no hydraulics (only the rudder won't function).

    All those little regional jets like the CRJ and ERJ are all cable controlled. The DC9 series (DC9, MD80, Boeing 717) don't even have hydraulic boost, it's pure old fashioned steel cable. Every bizjet you might meet - steel cables (or hydraulics for the big ones). Anything with propellers (all the short haul stuff) - steel cables.

    While some (but not all, by a long way) new designs are fly by wire, most planes are fly by cable, cable and hydraulic boost, or hydraulics.

    Incidentally, Concorde was the first fly by wire passenger jet.