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The Final CES Keynote From Bill Gates

Sunday evening saw the final CES keynote delivered by Bill Gates in his current role with the Microsoft corporation. Speculation about big announcements generally seemed to be for naught, as his last address at the show focused more on broad concepts than blockbuster news. "Gates outlined three major themes for the second digital decade-high definition displays with 3D experiences and high quality video and audio, connected services and the power of natural interfaces. Gates had a vision early of those themes, but his quest to make the Tablet PC, Media Center PCs and natural interfaces, such as speech and touch, more mainstream has not been realized." A full description of the talk, including his Guitar Hero finale with Slash, is available in Engadget's liveblog of the event.

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  1. Second edition out soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just like with The Road Ahead Bill Gates will soon bring out a second edition of the video recording of the keynote, where he'll use state-of-the-art video-editing wizardry to make it look like he had predicted this year's tech trends all along.

    1. Re:Second edition out soon by deniable · · Score: 2, Funny

      I worked with a guy who had that book. Is it the one with a CD that wouldn't work in Windows NT?

  2. Silverlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the fuck is Silverlight and why do I have to download yet another plugin to see the CES page? Hasn't Microsoft ever heard of Flash?

    1. Re:Silverlight? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Silverlight is Microsoft's answer to Flash, more or less. It's supposed to make Web applications more GUI-like and introduce fancy things like 3D graphics and advanced user interfaces to Web applications.

      Microsoft's heard of Flash, I'm sure, but I'm also sure they prefer their own in-house developed stuff to anything coming out of a competitor.

    2. Re:Silverlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silverlight is Microsoft grasping for straws.

    3. Re:Silverlight? by AndGodSed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep. It's their business model.

      Create your own, force it on your customers. Of course they would prefer that their tech become commonplace, besides, flash is mainstream on Linux too, so if they can find a way to lock Linux out by making an alternative they delay Linux growth in market share.

    4. Re:Silverlight? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Microsoft has made the spec relatively open and it's being implemented by Miguel de Icaza & Co. as part of the Mono project.

    5. Re:Silverlight? by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I'm at work. Will I get fired for downloading Silverlight? Don't take this as a troll/flame/whatever, but do we really need another Microsoft imposed Standard, when there are already decent standards in place? I guess I'll never know what this story is about.

    6. Re:Silverlight? by Nexcis · · Score: 0

      Linux is not being locked out...

    7. Re:Silverlight? by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 1

      Hasn't Microsoft ever heard of Flash?

      Yes, and they're trying to kill it.

    8. Re:Silverlight? by jackharrer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually as much as I don't like Msft, I think Silverlight is good. It makes Adobe to update Flash, it promotes competition and stops the stagnation that's been around for a long time. MPEG4 for Flash anybody? Why does it took so long to implement it? There was no need for Adobe to do it?

      Offtopic: Anybody's curious when Msft is going to buy Novell and Suse with it? So much Msft cash is going into Mono and similar projects sponsored by Novell...

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    9. Re:Silverlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Silverlight is Microsoft's answer to Flash, more or less. It's supposed to make Web applications more GUI-like and introduce fancy things like 3D graphics and advanced user interfaces to Web applications.

      Translation: More proprietary shit you do not need and do not want.



    10. Re:Silverlight? by tgd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Not really... they serve similar goals, but its really MS's way of getting the (MUCH more powerful) .NET development environment in the hands of rich client content web developers.

      The uptake is slow, but IMO its really a better technology than Flash. It gives far better language tools to the programmers and provides much better separation of design, interface and code where doing larger projects with bigger teams will be easier.

      Silverlight 1.0 was very flash-like -- the framework wasn't fully fleshed out as far as what you could present to the user, but the newer releases provide full GUI toolkits.

      Lets put it this way -- you wouldn't (no matter what Adobe thinks) build an enterprise application with Flash. Some smaller teams may play around with it, but it wouldn't happen successfully in the broad market. I personally don't believe the same can be said about Silverlight.

    11. Re:Silverlight? by tgd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Worth also mentioning that its not only open and being implemented as part of Mono, its being directly supported by MS and the Silverlight team.

    12. Re:Silverlight? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      you wouldn't (no matter what Adobe thinks) build an enterprise application with Flash.
      You might not have heard of Flex and Air. I'm not a big Adobe fan, but that stuff is much more programmer oriented and scalable than anything done with Flash before.
    13. Re:Silverlight? by Jellybob · · Score: 1

      Which particular "Decent Standard" would that be? SVG isn't really ready to take on Flash, and Flash itself is more or less undocumented outside Adobe, so the only application that will edit Flash reliably is... Flash.

    14. Re:Silverlight? by tgd · · Score: 1

      No, I have. Its still not the same thing.

      Imagine the difference, if it helps, between Javascript and Java. The difference is that significant between what any of the Flash environments will do and a real language and framework for building real enterprise applications -- basically you probably COULD do it, but you're going to be hating life as the project grows bigger.

    15. Re:Silverlight? by argiedot · · Score: 1

      Crap, you're right. I'm on x86_64 too so I can't access it. Is there any other way of getting to that content?

    16. Re:Silverlight? by Alphager · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Worth also mentioning that its not only open and being implemented as part of Mono, its being directly supported by MS and the Silverlight team. As in "Will always lag behind Silverlight, no Silverlight-Dev is working on Moonlight and Silverlight 2.0 will be announced before Moonlight 1.0 is ready". Same as with .NET.
    17. Re:Silverlight? by Khuffie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even though you've heard of Flex, you don't seem to be that familiar with it. Flex is getting quite close to Java in terms of programming methods and it's framework is pretty solid. In fact, where I work, whenever we need to hire someone we just look at Java developers and they're up and running in no time. And I've found I've been able to look at Java myself even though I've never had much experience with it. And yes, we do build a real enterprise level application.

    18. Re:Silverlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm at work. Will I get fired for downloading Silverlight? Uh, what? If you get fired for downloading a browser plugin, what makes you think you can post to discussion forums like Slashdot?

      Don't take this as a troll/flame/whatever, but do we really need another Microsoft imposed Standard, when there are already decent standards in place? I guess I'll never know what this story is about. What sort of 'decent standard' is there for rich content applications?
      * DHTML/JS - no plugins needed, but much harder to implement
      * Flash - nearly ubiquitous, but not an open standard
      * SVG - ha.
    19. Re:Silverlight? by EvilRyry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As siblings have mentioned, Moonlight will likely always be a few steps behind silverlight. Also, there's no guarantee the spec will remain open in the future (see SMB, IE for Mac/UNIX for more info).

      More importantly, Moonlight will never be truly Free. Take a look at the audio/video formats it supports. VC-1... sure great for video, also have the option of WMV which I have a feeling will be quite popular. Audio - WMA or MP3. From Miguel de Icaza's web log

      Microsoft will make the codecs for video and audio available to users of Moonlight from their web site. The codecs will be binary codecs, and they will only be licensed for use with Moonlight on a web browser

      Sure these formats have been/will be reverse engineered, but with DRM out there in the world it will make decoding DRMed media with open source codecs illegal! So much for free!

      This doesn't make Flash any better, I'm just saying that people who proclaim that Silverlight is great because it will have a real open source implementation aren't telling or don't know the whole story.

    20. Re:Silverlight? by AndGodSed · · Score: 1

      Sure, but it's still their product.

    21. Re:Silverlight? by bstamour · · Score: 1

      > Translation: More proprietary shit you do not need and do not want. I agree that in most cases flash is a waste of time, but there certainly are cases where it is a good solution. Silverlight too. For example: a streaming video site. Do we need it? Not really.. Do we want it? In some cases, yes.

    22. Re:Silverlight? by Mongoose+Disciple · · Score: 1


      This doesn't make Flash any better, I'm just saying that people who proclaim that Silverlight is great because it will have a real open source implementation aren't telling or don't know the whole story.


      All that being the case, I think you still have to ask yourself:

      1) Is this a lot more than Microsoft has historically done, openness-wise?

      2) If you had heard a few years ago that Microsoft was trying to make a Flash-killer, would you have expected any kind of support from them in making it run on Linux?

      3) How much more than this can you realistically expect, given that Microsoft's goals as an organization are never going to be, say, the FSF's goals?

    23. Re:Silverlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to 2008, the year of on the web

    24. Re:Silverlight? by baadger · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's heard of Flash, I'm sure, but I'm also sure they prefer their own in-house developed stuff to anything coming out of a competitor. Microsoft weren't competing with Adobe with Flash *until* they brought out Silverlight.
    25. Re:Silverlight? by jonadab · · Score: 1

      Silverlight is a thing Microsoft wants everybody to use instead of standard web technologies, but fortunately pretty much nobody actually uses it (unlike $#@! Flash).

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    26. Re:Silverlight? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I hope they learned their lesson where active-x was supposed to be their answer to javascript but really added nothing extra apart from being a malware vector. Now that's something that's not quite so easy to do in javascript.

    27. Re:Silverlight? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      You're being very specific.

      Is Microsoft a software company that produces desktop applications? Yes.
      Is Adobe a software company that produces desktop applications? Yes.

      Ergo, they are competitors. Maybe not niche-for-niche, but they are competitors.

    28. Re:Silverlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this modded troll?

      Have you idiots lost your minds? :-/

    29. Re:Silverlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course they've heard of Flash. That's why they invented Silverlight. :-)

      Don't worry -- someone will download it, capture/transcode it into something that is a REAL standard, and it'll be up on YouTube before the day is out. That's the actual Microsoft legacy -- wonderful tools to get around/live with their proprietary nonsense.

    30. Re:Silverlight? by Shados · · Score: 1

      You should have seen the .NET dev community back when Silverlight was just an extension of WPF and a tech demo... It took quite the spin since then... Originally MS virtually delivered WPF/E (its original name) kicking and scripting while developers were begging for the features it has now...

      THEN the PR people and the marketing team got their paws on it... But really, it was much more a "pull" event than Microsoft "pushing" it (they'd much rather people use the real WPF, which is Windows-only).

    31. Re:Silverlight? by Shados · · Score: 1

      Wow, holy freudian slip. That was supposed to be "Kicking and Screaming", not scripting. My above post makes absolutely no sense the way I wrote it. Oups.

    32. Re:Silverlight? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Oh, I'm not saying that Silverlight is great. As AKAImBatman would point out, before you implement Silverlight, you should really read the WHATWG specs, which are being developed in a truly open process, vs. Silverlight and Moonlight, which are nothing more than implementations of some spec developed for some proprietary crap.

    33. Re:Silverlight? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      its being directly supported by MS and the Silverlight team.

      ...as long as it's politically convenient, i.e. until it becomes standard.

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    34. Re:Silverlight? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft will make the codecs for video and audio available to users of Moonlight from their web site. The codecs will be binary codecs, and they will only be licensed for use with Moonlight on a web browser

      Sure these formats have been/will be reverse engineered, but with DRM out there in the world it will make decoding DRMed media with open source codecs illegal! So much for free!

      Not to mention that the codecs will only run on IA32 or whatever other platform MS chooses to grace with their presence, and explicitly will be useless for anything outside the web.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    35. Re:Silverlight? by stewbacca · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      "Decent standard" for me would be anything that I don't actually have to install any sort of extra stuff for my browser just to view content. With Microsoft's track-record, I'm a bit leery they are just trying to force yet another MS proprietary format on us, without actually offering anything better or new; just Microsoft.

      Silverslight may be great, but I won't know, because I don't want to get fired for installing yet another Internet plug-in at work. Maybe I'll try it at home? Maybe I'll just move along to the next site that doesn't require the plug-in? Maybe it will become sort of defacto standard...someday?

    36. Re:Silverlight? by ari_j · · Score: 1

      What, no +1 Funny mods? Perhaps our AC friend was a mite too subtle.

    37. Re:Silverlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also worth mentioning:

      Link in TFA was to MS-related content on an MS-owned website. It's pretty obvious that they would use their own technology. It doesn't even remotely amount to being "shoved down our throats".

    38. Re:Silverlight? by caluml · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Explain to me why anybody on a non-Microsoft platform would want to run .NET (which from what I can tell is pretty much a direct Java copy) via Mono? IANAD(eveloper).
      Java already exists, is open, tested, and runs on lots of stuff.

    39. Re:Silverlight? by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Silverlight is Microsoft's answer to Flash, more or less. It's supposed to make Web applications more GUI-like and introduce fancy things like 3D graphics and advanced user interfaces to Web applications.

      Wasn't that Java's goals like 10 years ago?

    40. Re:Silverlight? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      *sigh*

      The codecs HAVE been reverse engineered, however, you've been able to download them for free for IA32 for quite some time from Microsoft's Web site for free.

    41. Re:Silverlight? by toadlife · · Score: 1

      Sounds about like the linux version of Flash.

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    42. Re:Silverlight? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      The codecs HAVE been reverse engineered,

      ...which does nothing to protect them from patent or other bogus IP-based assaults.

      however, you've been able to download them for free for IA32 for quite some time from Microsoft's Web site for free.

      That's exactly what I said.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    43. Re:Silverlight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explain to me why anybody on a non-Microsoft platform would want to run .NET (which from what I can tell is pretty much a direct Java copy).

      8 years ago when I was developing in Java I thought the same thing. My ignorance was proven quite wrong on my first .NET project. Other than the fact that they're both "OO languages" and share Cish syntax, they're very different.

    44. Re:Silverlight? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      It's just the latest way to make the web "work best with Microsoft Vista"...

      Sure, they may produce plugins to make it work on Linux and MacOS X, but the non-MS platforms will always be a couple of versions and features behind.

      Hell, the biggest change for the new version of Office for Mac is "even less compatibility than before", as they've killed scripting support. Next highest is "change UI so it looks and works more like Office for Windows". Course, what they've pushing as new is MSXML support and new templates

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    45. Re:Silverlight? by caluml · · Score: 1

      So elucidate then.

    46. Re:Silverlight? by MrKaos · · Score: 1
      I think we have to keep in mind that Mr Gates lives in a world where he probably uses windows all the time, and in that world he lives in a "Billy Bubble"(tm) where what he say's goes in that world, therefore his perception of the actual world is skewed.

      Likelyhood of Mr Gates ever using a Mac - very small, likelyhood of Mr Gates using a Linux distribution - very unlikely.

      Changes afoot in the music industry suggest that the RIAA cartel are changing their attitude towards DRM so it's not much of a stretch to think that the MPAA will be that far behind, as attested by this users recently reported attempt at using DRM services legitimately. If you have that much trouble using the services legitimately, why use them at all. How many windows users out there are using pirated content? I bet it's alot.

      So as I am unable to even view Mr Gates final address it's unlikely that I will participate in the future he is describing. Not that I think that this is significant because Mr Gates also predicted that no one will need more than 640K of ram and that the internet would not be a significant development. I would have liked to have watch it because even though I don't like MS I do pay a be-grudging respect to Mr Gates. Not being able to view this address is a classic case of people people losing interest in what he has to say, and shows that any strategic planning MS has only applies to the MS world.

      I'm sure those who have the capa-bill-ity to watch the address will enjoy it and be awestruck - me I just hear "blah blah blah blah"

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  3. Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 0, Troll

    Gates knows he can't win. Vista is a huge flop and could spell the end of Microsoft's dominance. It's game over, as far as BillG is concerned. Watch in the next few years and Microsoft's prominence and influence in the industry begins to dwindle. Just remember, you read it here first on Slashdot.

    1. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by DAldredge · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you believe this put your money where your mouth is and short MSFT.

    2. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      We've "read it on Slashdot" every year for the past 10. Just like "Linux on the desktop THIS year," it isn't happening any time soon.

    3. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We've "read it on Slashdot" every year for the past 10. Just like "Linux on the desktop THIS year," it isn't happening any time soon. Yeah, but you've never heard it before from an individual who predicted Microsoft's dominance before it ever happened. I've been watching the industry for over 20 years now.

    4. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by SerpentMage · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No kidding... It is actually getting a bit tedious...

      Linux on the server? Yeah I can see that...
      Linux on the desktop? Nope not a chance... That moment passed.

      Think about it... Vista took how long? And Vista is selling how much? And still people are saying "this is the year of Linux on the desktop." BUT... What has been gaining traction? OSX...

      This says one thing. I want a desktop that works and lets me get my work done and I don't care if it costs.

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    5. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1

      Is he really stepping down? The link in the article asks me to install Silverlight and I can't read it as such.... The other links don't say anything like it. (My mistake: this one does) A Google search yields this, though.

      Anyway, if I'd been him, I'd have retired years ago ;-)

    6. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      And still people are saying "this is the year of Linux on the desktop."
      FWIW, this (2007)was the year when I first put Linux on my desktop. After a horrific experience with Vista, I installed Ubuntu Studio and it's been smooth sailing so far. My daughter, who is not a techie, prefers that machine over all my others. She gave me a lecture about how Linux is "safer from viruses and DRM" and I did a double-take. I wonder who she's been talking to.

      If it's any of you guys, hands off.
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    7. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Grandparent is putting words in my mouth. I never said that 2008 (or any year) would be the year of Linux on the desktop. I think Linux on the desktop will continue to play a role in certain niche market segments, notably geek desktops, low-end desktops, some so-called "thin-client" solutions, in point-of-sale systems and so forth. Beyond that the future is still uncertain -- OS X has gained a lot of traction, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for Linux desktops. I see more of a mixed market. We don't need one desktop to rule them all. In the end, I doubt it will matter much what your desktop OS is as more and more you will see Internet-based and network centric applications running with platform transparency. Don't necessarily think browser apps or "Google Apps", but think more Google Earth with data to be stored both locally and on the Internet/intranet.

    8. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by Nullav · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Netcraft confirms it!
      But seriously, MS has too much money jammed up its collective ass and too many branches for the loss of a monopoly in the OS market to kill it outright. They still make wonderful peripherals, the RedRing 360, and their research division must bring in plenty, thanks to patent licensing. Oh, and don't forget that many are just snapping up XP if they don't like Vista; it's still another dollar for MS.
      Who knows, maybe MS would take another look at Windows if sales started plummeting.
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    9. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by stewbacca · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ahh, but the genius of it all... In 10 years, people will point to Bill G. stepping down as the cause of the MS implosion, completely forgetting about the Vista flop. Or the MS apologists will just cry "Perfect Storm" with the rise of OSX and Linux alternatives over the next several years.

    10. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 1
    11. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by aussie_a · · Score: 1

      2007 was also the Year of Linux for me too! Earlier attempts had been too difficult to install Linux, this time it was easier then XP.

    12. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Ballmer has proven to be a big mouthed dead weight, Bill might want to go but he is stuck, Ballmer would be the death of any company if he was left solely in charge and running on bull shit and ego. Vista and office2007, xbox360 (poor build engineering) really do have the ballmer mark of failure on them.

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    13. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      gave me a lecture about how Linux is "safer" [...] I wonder who she's been talking to.
      She's got a nerd boyfriend, just like her mom :D
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    14. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by alexhs · · Score: 1

      you read it here first on Slashdot. Here on Slashdot, maybe, but here in that thread, not :P
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    15. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by Zebedeu · · Score: 1

      Same here, and never looked back (except for work -- damn simulation software!)

    16. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      They still make wonderful peripherals

      Like rebadged Logitech mice or are you talking about other rebadged products? It was nice that they took a niche product and made it a standard but they don't actually make or design many of the things with their name on it.

    17. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windoze is the Macdonalds fast food of the computer/tech world...fattening, lumbering, clumsy, inelegant, etc., etc.

      Linux is the caviar, champagne, wholesome fresh foods of the tech world...slim, lightening fast, skilled, cutting-edge, etc., etc.

      And I guess you are talking about the great unwashed, Joe sixpack. Yes, for them it may always be windoze.

      But Linux has been my desktop for years...and probably will be for the rest of my lifetime. I DO get all of my work done (as opposed to the unccountable hours I used to waste with windoze). I'm far, FAR more productive with linux, thank you very much! :-)

      Let ignorant plebs continue to wallow and offer their hardearned dollars to the wealthy prosletizers of computer idiocy,
      while my money goes into ethical investments, due to my computer literacy. (I'm a poet, and don't know it...)

      So, yes, continue to spout how linux will never be on the desktop (of joe sixpack). I care not. The Year of the Linux Desktop was 1998 for me! :-)

    18. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blah blah blah 'year of the Linux' blah blah 'Vista is the downfall of MS'

      I don't even know where to start with you nerds and your predictions, pick any article the last 5 years and it will be completely wrong with whats going on today.

      Everyone has been wrong basically and MS is more than successful than it has ever been.

      Have you guys all been wearing the beer goggles the last 20 years or is your agenda just blinding you with hate.

    19. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Vista's doing better than XP did, so how is it flopping?

    20. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me three. I'm happily running Ubuntu now, and evaluating kubuntu on my laptop. :)

    21. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Five years on, because there are more new computers (pre-loaded with Vista) going into the system than when XP rolled out, Vista is labelled as a smashing success? Sounds like a business plan with lots of longevity!

    22. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by GreggBz · · Score: 1

      This says one thing. I want a desktop that works and lets me get my work done and I don't care if it costs.

      I'm not the first to bring this point, surely, but I'll say it anyway.

      In 1985, the home computing world was Commodore's oyster. I mean really, it can't be understated. Jack Trameil's "Computer's for the Masses, not the Classes" outsold all others by two or three times. Many forget they were the biggest baddest computer company out there. Unfortunately, they did a pitiful amount of R&D in the latter years and had HORRIBLE management.

      If Apple, who has some business sense, can merge Jack's paradigm into their own, that would be exciting. Maybe they can do the inverse of the Toyota / Lexus thing; start a new company.

      But I don't think they will. I don't see OSX penetrating todays $299 PC market, unfortunately. And it's not really even price point, it's the perception of Apple being expensive. They need to change that perception.

      I can't drive anywhere short of 300 miles and buy a cheap Mac in a store.
    23. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by Night+Goat · · Score: 1

      XP won't install on my PC. It locks up on a black screen after I "press any key to boot from CD." Linux installs no problem. Both Ubuntu and Fedora install like a breeze.

    24. Re:Is it any wonder Gates is stepping down? by richie2000 · · Score: 1

      I wonder who she's been talking to. If it's any of you guys, hands off. I'm not sure, got any pictures?
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  4. Holodecks! by AndGodSed · · Score: 3, Funny

    The way games are getting better visual wise, and tech is getting more powerful, I have a feeling we might see at least an early version of a Holodeck in our lifetimes.

    Now I ALSO hope that by that time Linux will be the OS of choice for the manufacturer, I simply will not survive a BSOD in glorious Holodeck VR...

    1. Re:Holodecks! by dangitman · · Score: 1

      The problem with holodecks is when real hologram simulated Evil Lincoln appears.

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  5. Gates on Tablet PCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The Tablet takes cutting-edge PC technology and makes it available wherever you want it, which is why I'm already using a Tablet as my everyday computer. It's a PC that is virtually without limits -- and within five years I predict it will be the most popular form of PC sold in America." - Gates at COMDEX 2001

    And unlike the 640K story, there's an actual source for this quote.

    1. Re:Gates on Tablet PCs by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "The Tablet takes cutting-edge PC technology and makes it available wherever you want it, which is why I'm already using a Tablet as my everyday computer. It's a PC that is virtually without limits -- and within five years I predict it will be the most popular form of PC sold in America." - Gates at COMDEX 2001

      He is not completely mistaken, actually...
    2. Re:Gates on Tablet PCs by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      Nobody uses the iPhone as their main PC. A better comparison would be OLPC... which is more of a Laptop than a Tablet. But it is much more portable than Dell's which cost twice as much.

      Cost factors keep desktop computers relevant for gamers and businesses with a non-mobile workforce. Otherwise, Laptops + Smartphone are preferred. Five years from now, Laptops and Smartphone will merge into a user-friendly portable Tablet PC and kill those two markets. At least, that is my prediction... and five years from now you can quote this to make fun of me.

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  6. That's a Laughable Explanation by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gates knows he can't win. Vista is a huge flop and could spell the end of Microsoft's dominance. You're right, it could. Hell anything could happen with the software market like it is these days. Truth is that Vista's first year adoption rate are pretty much better than XP's. So why didn't he step down when XP was coming out?

    I hate Microsoft too but it's the natural succession of leadership, Gates is past his prime. His company is not (has it ever had 'a prime'?). I don't think he's stepping down from lack of success, I think he's stepping down because maybe he realized what horrid things a leader with that much power (inadvertently) has to do.

    And that's fine with me because Ballmer is one easy man to hate. Just redirect everything to him. Gates is rich but that doesn't make him any more despicable than Rockefeller, Hughes or Warren Buffett. At least he's trying to help other countries in the world. I think Gates has generally had good intentions with bad consequences for many members of the tech community. Whether it's for family, boredom or health reasons, he's certainly not stepping down because Microsoft is losing this game.
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    1. Re:That's a Laughable Explanation by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Yeah, 'cause Ed Bott and the sources he quotes from are sooo unbiased. *rolls eyes*

      Ed Bott has been on the Microsoft dole for years. Don't expect his articles to be anything but Microsoft spin.

      And Gates is past his prime, but Ballmer is not? Steve Ballmer has been Billy's right hand man almost since the beginning of Microsoft. He's like Microsoft employee #1 or something. He's already been silently running things behind the scenes since the days of OS/2. Bill has been mostly a face-man in the last, say 15 years or so, still making a lot of high-level decisions, but the nitty gritty details have been handled by Ballmer for a very long time.

    2. Re:That's a Laughable Explanation by Siddly · · Score: 1

      Try to find an advert for a PC or laptop that doesn't have Vista installed (I've spent the last 3 days looking for a laptop and only found one that's suitable - with XP which I don't want) and you'll know why there is that amount of cooption, not adoption. At least Robin Hood and the Jones boys stole from the rich and gave to the poor, while Bill Gates has scored a first, stealing from the poor and giving them back the odd morcel. If you consider what Microsoft gains in sales to poor countries against what Bill Gates doles out, you'll see that Microsoft is the main beneficiary. Even here in the UK, he donated a coach to Age Concern, with it being used to introduce seniors to Windows and Age Concern which is a charity that's always chasing donations, spends a goodly amount of cash it raises buying Windows -- and they are greatful to Bill Gates, a wonderful man. I for one will make sure that as a senior myself, I don't ever make a donation to Age Concern.

    3. Re:That's a Laughable Explanation by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Another year, more speculation about an Apple OS or Linux finally coming into its own. Like Duke Nuke 'Em Forever, it's a dream that never really materializes.

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    4. Re:That's a Laughable Explanation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least he's trying to help other countries in the world.

      From what I have read, Bill gates started his philanthropy much much later than people half as rich as he is. It seems the only reason he started was because of his wife.....which does not impress me.

    5. Re:That's a Laughable Explanation by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Truth is that Vista's first year adoption rate are pretty much better than XP's.

      BS. Computers have a higher replacement rate now, especially given how many people are running out to buy their first laptop now that they're becoming fashionable and relatively affordable. Above that, when XP came out it was quite possible to buy Windows 98 machines. XP was an upgrade - not the default - for some time.

      Contrast with now when Vista is the default OS but still has far lower uptake rate than machine replacements should indicate. Sure, you could claim that everyone is on a 7-year upgrade cycle now, but we'll all laugh at you.

      I don't have any illusion that Vista or Microsoft are dying, but the facts sure aren't in Vista's favor right now.

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  7. yeeeew by wwmedia · · Score: 1

    that video made me want to puke, what a geek! oh wait nvm....

  8. The only vision Bill Gates ever had.... by Chilled_Fuser · · Score: 1

    ...was through someone else's monitor.

  9. My sincere hope. by Yaztromo · · Score: 0, Troll

    Sunday evening saw the final CES keynote delivered by Bill Gates in his current role with the Microsoft corporation.

    I sure hope the door didn't hit him on the ass on the way out.

    Yaz.

  10. Xbox 360 Ultimate by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, it was supposed to be the Xbox 360 Ultimate, but after what happened over the weekend it's now being used to prop open a door.

  11. Video of fun part by raffe · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Re:Video of fun part by antdude · · Score: 1

      And on MSN Video.

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    2. Re:Video of fun part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny that even as Bill Gates leaves Microsoft, he can't help ripping someone else off.

  12. The problem might be too much too soon by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Those things never became mainstream because Microsoft was always trying to introduce them before either the hardware or the software were ready. They thought that people would accept something that actually did not work very well because their engineers thought it would be compelling.

    Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that. Disruptive technologies gain traction fast when they have a compelling advantage and a short learning curve.

    For instance, cannon were a disruptive technology but had a very long learning curve, maybe hundreds of years. Railways, on the other hand, had a compelling advantage in speed and capacity, but had a relatively short learning curve because on the one hand there was a huge body of canal building knowledge to draw on when building railways, and on the other the user interface (buy ticket, get on train) was dirt simple. So railways spread rather fast.

    None of the ideas Microsoft have touted have had either a compelling advantage or a short learning curve. Speech input is simply less effective, for many reasons, than learning to type. Lugging around a tablet PC does not result in productivity gains for most people. And, as anyone who has ever tried to design a rule based decision support system knows, anything involving natural interfaces is simply very hard to do indeed, and the payback is rarely there except in a few niche markets.

    I believe that the reason for this is that many large corporations have simply forgotten who their customers are. Google will find it hard to do this because there is no lock-in, and their customers have no loyalty. They must listen to their two classes of customers - sellers and end users - or die. Microsoft doesn't seem, any more, to know whether its customers are the recording industry, computer manufacturers, CIOs or, a poor fourth, the actual end users of their computers. Apple could fall into the same trap, but at the moment (at least with personal computers) seems to have its eye on the ball.

    Microsoft is huge, bigger in revenue than IBM, and enormously rich. It is impossible to second guess them, and shorting their stock would be foolish. But anyone who has followed the trajectory, in recent years, of (say) Ford versus Toyota and Porsche, would have to agree that being very large is no guarantee of continuing success.

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    1. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by paxgaea · · Score: 1

      "For instance, cannon were a disruptive technology but had a very long learning curve, maybe hundreds of years."

      That's cuz trebuchet technology fsckin rocked (literally).

      Sorry, offtopic, but I had to.

    2. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by elrous0 · · Score: 1
      MS has never really been about innovation so much as implementation. Their products have never been groundbreaking, but they are able to market them over the long haul very well. They know how to slowly nibble their way into markets thought impenetrable (like the browser market, once completely dominated by Netscape, and the game console market, once completely dominated by Sony). None of their ideas are particularly original, but they know how to mass produce them and get them into people's homes as well as anyone.

      And they are in it for the long haul too. Even if a product is a joke in its first iteration (IE 1.0, the first Zune) they don't give up on it.

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    3. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Microsoft is huge, bigger in revenue than IBM, and enormously rich. It is impossible to second guess them, and shorting their stock would be foolish. But anyone who has followed the trajectory, in recent years, of (say) Ford versus Toyota and Porsche, would have to agree that being very large is no guarantee of continuing success."

      I'm not sure what you mean with that last example, but it seems you are missing a fact here: Toyota is the largest car manufactorer bar GM, and is set to surpass GM in years or maybe even months.

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    4. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by Warbothong · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Touch screens work on the iPhone because users are going to be doing the same thing anyway if the buttons were physical. Using touch technology exclusively on large areas has been around for years and years, and it is proven to be tiresome (the whole 'gorilla arms' thing). Moving images of photos around on a coffee table? Possibly, but organising a photo collection on such a huge screen by stretching around to touch the things I want? No thanks, I'd prefer a mouse because it's less effort. Use touch-based input for things not possible with other technology, or when people would be doing the same kind of thing anyway (like pressing buttons on a 'phone's keypad or a computer's keyboard), not because it is "natural" (walking is natural, but the wheel is one of the best discoveries yet made). Microsoft's dug themselves quite a firmly entrenched computing world BTW, so getting any significant numbers of people away from generic x86 + Windows XP + VisualBasic + generic USB mouse will be difficult unless they come up with something more impressive than specifying expensive customisation of items via a fingerpainting-accurate interface. In my opinion, if touchscreens were the only kind of pointing device people had thought of up until now then there would be a company like Microsoft doing exactly the same flashy (sorry, Silverlighty) demos as they are now, but replacing "new touch technology" with "new mouse technology" and replacing "natural" with "efficient".

    5. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by ericferris · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is huge, bigger in revenue than IBM, and enormously rich.

      Not according to financial data. MSFT have a 54 billion income, vs. 96 billion for IBM.

      Microsoft is facing a saturated market. Every desktop PC on the planet that could run an MS app is already doing so. The rest is running non-MS OSes and that percentage is growing. In the server world, Linux is a very strong competitor. Same in the consumer electronics world. Mobile phones? Against Symbian and Linux, Microsoft CE is losing market shares. Set-top boxes? After what MS did to AT&T's IPTV project (delayed because of Windows CE problems), carriers will think twice. Airplane in-flight entertainment systems? Linux again.

      MSFT is trying to make inroads on new markets, but it has so far failed to achieve domination in anything but the desktop.

      So I wouldn't sell them short, but I wouldn't expect them to skyrocket either.

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    6. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
      You have completely missed my reference to "trajectory, in recent years". Once upon a time, Ford was much larger than Toyota. It also believed it had considerable lock in to its markets - in the UK a lot of its market is to companies to which it sells at large discounts (sound familiar) while any ordinary individual who goes out to buy a Ford (they exist, we can't all be engineers) gets a bit screwed.

      For Unix, see Toyota. Superior engineering and quality, bold experiments in production methods, interesting business practices. The result has been very rapid growth in a market Ford has found increasingly difficult. For Apple, see Porsche. Once upon a time, Porsche was silly expensive. It isn't now. For what it offers - a superior experience - it is actually quite cheap. I'm not at all rich, just ordinary middle class, but I could walk into a Porsche dealer tomorrow and put down affordable cash, and buy anything except the more exotic 911s.

      I'm sure that the reasons Ford has lost market share are complex and way beyond my knowledge, but the fact is that, with its ability to afford engineers and researchers and marketing people and sales people - it has experienced a relative decline.

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    7. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by Nexum · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, and it appears that there's a good chance that in just 6 months Apple have managed to outsell all Windows mobile devices combined with the iPhone. The technology market has turned, Microsoft had fumbled and is up against very strong competition in every one of its operating segments, every key product with the possible exception of Office has extremely tough competition. The 90's are long gone, Microsoft is simply not competing. In short, it is failing. Now, Microsoft is the most ungodly massive balloon, and it's going to take an age to deflate - so long that many will claim it's not deflating at all - but like a slow puncture, there is an inevitable end at some point in the future. Microsoft will have to reorder itself, it will not disappear, it will be relegated much in the same way as IBM has been relegated. Still massive company, still important, but not dominating.

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    8. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by dhavleak · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is huge, bigger in revenue than IBM, and enormously rich. Actually MSFT's revenue was 54B last year and IBM's revenue was 96B. In terms of headcount too, IBM is a vastly larger company than MSFT and has it's fingers in many more pies.
    9. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by swillden · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is huge, bigger in revenue than IBM, and enormously rich

      This isn't correct. IBM's revenues are nearly double those of Microsoft. Microsoft's profits, on the other hand, are 50% higher than IBM's. IBM is the larger company by far, but Microsoft has a higher profit margin and more liquid assets.

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    10. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by dangitman · · Score: 1

      For instance, cannon were a disruptive technology but had a very long learning curve, maybe hundreds of years

      Yeah, that's why I use Nikon instead. Better ergonomics and user interface.

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    11. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ford once had a huge market share in comparison to Toyota. Go back 35 years and compare unit sales. The current #1 manufacturer, GM, appears hellbent on losing that position.

      Microsoft currently has a huge market share. The question is - will they follow Ford's example?

      IMHO GM needs to kick out it's current group of no-nothing marketeers who've been living it up in upper management for too long. Love him or hate him, but at least Robert Lutz is a car guy who knows cars - there are far too many no-nothing schlubs attempting to be his contemporaries at domestic manufacturers.

    12. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by Blackhalo · · Score: 1

      Clearly, being a consent decree violating monopolist, has it's advantages. If only Gore had won...

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    13. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by Blackhalo · · Score: 1

      WTF, are you on crack? You even say it in your post "able to market them" MicroSoft is a marketing agency and a convicted of abusing a monopoly to stifle competition. The free market does not work without competition. MicroSofts monopoly in the operating system market is what allowed them to "cut off the air supply" of Netscape. Not any innovation on the part of MicroSoft.

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    14. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by swillden · · Score: 1

      Clearly, being a consent decree violating monopolist, has it's advantages. If only Gore had won...

      Don't kid yourself. It would have been no different with Gore in office.

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    15. Re:The problem might be too much too soon by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      *ahem* Wii.

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  13. So...? by tristian_was_here · · Score: 1

    I am guessing Bill is not trying to conquer Linux this year I see?

  14. Bye-bye Billy... by ceeam · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... your predictions always sucked and they do now. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Oh, and thanks for nothing!

  15. Text-ANSI-based DOS Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow then they finally added all the features the elite text-based DOS ANSI and APPLE color text graphics windows programs had.

  16. lol Trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gotta love all the trolls who can't accept the fact that Microsoft IS the fact. Plain and simple.

  17. So long, and thanks for all the fish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...carp, unfortunately. :-(

    Ref.

  18. Give Bill a break by GuyfromTrinidad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think we need to cut Bill some slack as he rides off into the sunset. No one can dispute the impact that Microsoft and Gates has had on the world of computers and technology in general. I get it, for many of you "Microsoft is Evil" but let us use this opportunity to acknowledge what Bill has done for Tech, especially now that he is going to be focusing more on his humanitarian work. So from me, Thanks Bill and good luck.

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    1. Re:Give Bill a break by jejones · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >...let us use this opportunity to acknowledge what Bill has done for Tech, especially now that he is going to be focusing more on his humanitarian work.

      From the Wikipedia article on Al Capone:

      "Capone often tried to whitewash his image and be seen as a community leader. For example, he started a program, which was continued for decades after his death, to fight rickets by providing a daily milk ration to Chicago school children. Also during the Great Depression, Capone opened up many soup kitchens for the poor and homeless."

    2. Re:Give Bill a break by paxgaea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think some of us pine for what could have been, not the mediocrity that we ended up with as we grew into our technological world (speaking as someone in his early 30's, growing up in the Atari age).

      The negative effect that monopolistic actions have had in stifling innovation has been extremely unfortunate, even if in some ways we don't even realize how unfortunate.

      Also, while I give him credit for what he has been doing lately, as far as I remember, Bill Gates was late to the humanitarian game too. I seem to remember him having to have external pressure applied to get going on that.

      Like many, he has (and will have) a mixed legacy.

    3. Re:Give Bill a break by Wylfing · · Score: 1

      I hope you don't get modded down, because that's a valid thing to say. Microsoft is the George Lucas of IT. A long time ago, they did a few great things, but then became victims of their own wild success. We didn't need the last 25 years to be sans Microsoft...it just would have turned out so much better if they had been not "won" quite so thoroughly.

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    4. Re:Give Bill a break by cromar · · Score: 0, Troll

      ...acknowledge what Bill has done for Tech...

      Oh, I do, I do. What a horrible world it would be with no Windows or DOS. Why... we'd all be using Macs and Linux and other OSs that don't crap their pants every 10 minutes. *Gasp* Oh the humanity!

    5. Re:Give Bill a break by kazade84 · · Score: 1

      I think we need to cut Bill some slack as he rides off into the sunset. No one can dispute the impact that Microsoft and Gates has had on the world of computers and technology in general. Yeh but is that a good impact? If Bill didn't get there first someone else would have taken his place and how do we know if Microsoft and Windows didn't make it, we wouldn't be far more ahead technologically now than we are?

      I'm writing this while on my other monitor I'm wasting (another) half an hour implementing an iframe/javascript hack so that this pop-up menu will work in IE6... I'm not convinced Microsoft has done us good overall, if only I could see that alternative timeline where Bill decided that he wanted to go backpacking around the world rather than sit in front of a monitor.

    6. Re:Give Bill a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ummm...you really need to get out more...

      Bill is nothing more than a cut-throat wolf in sheep's clothing. Profit is his only motive, including his so-called 'philanthropy'.

      He gets no break from me. In fact, I've been M$ free for years (and lovin' it :-))

      The man is a first class narcisstic megalomaniac. The Capone comparison is right on. He cares not a wit for others, and works to sabotoge and ridicule truly charitable good works (such as OLPC), and profit from pharmaceuticals investments while 'helping all those AIDS people', etc.
      Profit is his ONLY motive, in the past, now and in the future.

      You can begin your education here, start by reading "Dark cloud over good works", followed by "Money clashes with mission", etc.
      http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx7jan07-sg,0,261331.storygallery

    7. Re:Give Bill a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a bunch of tripe!

      Trey deserves a kick in the balls. As a coercive monopolist, he makes Rockefeller and Standard Oil look like amateurs.

      And don't kid yourself about him bootstrapping himself up the social ladder in life -- he was born into money and privilege. His mom was even sitting on the board of the United Way along side a high level IBM executive while nascent MS was negotiating with Big Blue over DOS.

      Bill Gates III is the Joseph Stalin of modern capitalism.

    8. Re:Give Bill a break by waysa · · Score: 1

      Right, because Bill Gates = Al Capone facepalm.jpg

    9. Re:Give Bill a break by iphayd · · Score: 1

      I understand that your comparison is to show that not everyone is entirely evil, and not everyone is entirely good. However, it is not a good to compare someone like Gates (A monopolist) to someone like Capone (A murderer). It would have been better to compare his philanthropy to that of Dale Carnage or other monopolists.

    10. Re:Give Bill a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Of course, because being an aggressive businessman is totally the same as being a thug and murderer. Or was it because he's aggressive and his software isn't Free? Perhaps some clarification would be useful- which part of his business model is equivalent to murdering people in the streets?

      Captcha: "perplex"

    11. Re:Give Bill a break by swillden · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is the George Lucas of IT. A long time ago, they did a few great things, but then became victims of their own wild success.

      I know what great things of Lucas' you're referring to, but I'm struggling to find anything great that Microsoft has done.

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    12. Re:Give Bill a break by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I think some of us pine for what could have been, not the mediocrity that we ended up with as we grew into our technological world (speaking as someone in his early 30's, growing up in the Atari age).

      Whats even scarier/stranger, is that outside of Windows most all other computers use 30+ year old technology called UNIX.

      Software is only recently starting to get kinda interesting.

    13. Re:Give Bill a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to stoop to your arrogant low and just reply with:

      You, sir, are a judgemental and ignorant asshole.

    14. Re:Give Bill a break by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Acknowledge what Bill has done for technology? Sure. He's helped retard its development by about a decade. Things would be so much better for everybody if he'd just been a lawyer or something instead.

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    15. Re:Give Bill a break by Blackhalo · · Score: 1

      Where the F are my mod points when I need them. Microsoft has done more to retard the state of technology than anyone but Intel. RAMBUS, Itanium, please! What software developer of the "next big thing" is not deterred by the fact that Microsoft would just make a lowball offer, or throw money at a substandard knock off to kill off any potential killer product. Where would the would be without Microsoft? Running a superior OS and application suite W/O fear of being run into the ground by substandard, over-marketed software. Go away, Bill and let your beast DIE!

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  19. Changes nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Nobody in their right mind is falling for the mono trap. Microsoft tech is "a cancer that seeks to attach itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches".

    1. Re:Changes nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      People say the same thing about GPL.

    2. Re:Changes nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh...

  20. Gates is a visionary by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    who missed the emergence of the Internet for consumers. He had to go back and add the Internet to his The Road Ahead book after the fact. He had to go back and add Internet support to his operating system after the fact.

    This is the visionary who missed the digital media revolution, requiring burst.com and Apple to show him how to do it. In the past ten years of the digital media revolution, which stock price appreciated more, Microsoft's or Apple's?

    Is Gates a visionary, or a monopolist? Gates' image and PR people want him to be viewed as the former. History will record him as the latter.

    1. Re:Gates is a visionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux would be impossible without Microsoft as Microsoft is the owner of the platform called PC and Linux is just having a free hardware lunch here. So paradoxically Gates not Linus Torvalds is the real "father of Linux" ;-).

      We also should remember about Microsoft Xenix which introduced F1-F2-F3 consoles switching and many other things that became standard on PC Unixes. The fact the Microsoft chose to kill it was very important as in no way a poor Finnish student who learned C while programming kernel can compete with Microsoft Xenix on PC. Linux filled the niche that Microsoft left. Look at http://www.softpanorama.org/People/Torvalds/index.shtml for the real story...

      I think the key role of Linux as a free Unix implementation is to keep other vendors in check including Microsoft and Apple and provide "free for all" OS that emulates best features of Microsoft and OS X. It might be far from being perfect but it plays a very important role.

    2. Re:Gates is a visionary by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I remember back in the early eighties when Xenix was still a Microsoft product drooling over it but realizing I would never be able to afford the 1,000GBP or so it cost just to get the basic edition that didn't include so much as a C compiler.

      I think GNU/Linux would have still succeeded even if Microsoft had continued to push Xenix and not decided to start the OS/2 and NT projects instead.

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    3. Re:Gates is a visionary by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd say Gates was *neither*. He was a shrewd businessman who was able to recognize an opportunity and run with it, back in the 80's - and it paid off for him in spades.

      The cries about him being a "monopolist" are somewhat misplaced, IMHO. Show me ANY C.E.O. of a successful, global business today who wouldn't want his/her company to achieve a similar market-share, if they could only figure out a way to do it! Yes, Microsoft made some questionable business deals, but again, I'd say that's "par for the course" in today's big businesses. I'm pretty confident you could find equally, if not MORE "evil" business dealings here or there with Monsanto, Xerox, General Electric, IBM, Cisco, Toyota, or yes, even Apple. You name the company. If they're very successful, then at least *somebody* in the inner workings has done something "corrupt" at some point in time. It's human nature.

      On the other end of the spectrum, no, he hasn't been much of a "visionary" either. He correctly envisioned an America with "a PC on every desk", more or less. But beyond that, the claims of his "ability to predict the tech. future" is more marketing than reality. Everyone wants to think they're investing in a company that's "cutting edge" and committed to continuous improvements. This is especially key in the software industry, where essentially, you're paying to license the use of someone's idea/concept of making your computer perform a certain set of tasks. I didn't expect Gates to do much besides making very broad, generalized "predictions" at this keynote, and it looks like it played out just like I suspected.

    4. Re:Gates is a visionary by swillden · · Score: 1

      The cries about him being a "monopolist" are somewhat misplaced, IMHO.

      Agreed, but not exactly for the reason you mention.

      First of all, we should make clear that there is nothing wrong with being a monopolist. There's no law against having a monopoly, and there's nothing morally wrong with it either, if you got there honestly and don't abuse the position once you get there.

      What is illegal, and wrong, is to be an *anti-competitive* monopolist. To use your existing monopoly to force competition out of the market, or to leverage it to acquire share in new markets. Microsoft has been (and still is) an anti-competitive monopoly, and Bill Gates was clearly behind many anti-competitive moves that Microsoft has made.

      Now as to your point that any CEO would do what Bill Gates did, given the opportunity -- I disagree, and there is an obvious, closely-related counterexample: IBM. IBM was a monopoly that acted anti-competitively. Very much unlike Microsoft, however, when the Justice Department called IBM on it, IBM changed. Both companies signed a consent degree, but IBM carefully implemented the terms in the decree. That actually led to IBM hamstringing itself in silly ways even into the early part of this decade, long after IBM was no longer in control of the industry.

      I think any CEO of a rapidly-growing, aggressive company that obtains a monopoly position will inevitably act anti-competitively. The reason is that many actions that are anti-competitive and illegal for a monopoly are normal and reasonable business practices for companies that are not monopolies. Inevitably, then, as the company grows to the point where the rules suddenly change, the management will behave improperly, because they haven't yet realized that their constraints are suddenly different and because there's no motivation to change until the government calls them on it.

      Once they have been called on it, though, they should follow the law, something that Bill Gates has steadfastly refused to do. Not only did his testimony during the anti-trust trial skate perjury (and IMO he slipped over the edge more than a few times), Microsoft proceeded to ignore the consent decree and focused on political lobbying in order to make sure they wouldn't be called on it.

      For that reason, I think Bill Gates fully deserves the title of anti-competitive monopolist.

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    5. Re:Gates is a visionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody is saying Bill Gates is a infallible, however you don't become the richest man in the world and turn your company into the largest (by far) in software without knowing your stuff.

    6. Re:Gates is a visionary by JacksBrokenCode · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points. Very well put.

  21. Someone has to defend him here by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Before you blast the man, think long and hard about the fact that he is the first billionaire to ever publically give away his entire fortune to real charity (that's right, he's not even giving his own kids anything). That's way more than any of the geek "heroes" like Steve Jobs have done or will ever do for humanity.

    It's easy to bad-mouth his business practices, it's easy to bad-mouth his products. But I can't bad-mouth the man himself. He's way more charitable than I would be in the same circumstance.

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    1. Re:Someone has to defend him here by dc29A · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Before you blast the man, think long and hard about the fact that he is the first billionaire to ever publically give away his entire fortune to real charity (that's right, he's not even giving his own kids anything). That's way more than any of the geek "heroes" like Steve Jobs have done or will ever do for humanity.


      It's easy to bad-mouth his business practices, it's easy to bad-mouth his products. But I can't bad-mouth the man himself. He's way more charitable than I would be in the same circumstance.

      Did he earn his vast fortune in an ethical, and in some cases legal way?

      No.

      MS is a convicted monopolist on 3 continents. MS used every possible strong arm tactic to cram their shitty OS down on everyone's throat. It's very easy to bad mouth the man himself when he earned most of his fortune by screwing others.

      And I won't even mention BillG's "stellar" predictions. Now let me go back and continue work on my Tablet PC because it's more productive ... oh wait ...
    2. Re:Someone has to defend him here by dwiget001 · · Score: 1

      Bill Gates' *charity* when it comes to the computer arena, is just another marketing/PR arm of Microsoft.

    3. Re:Someone has to defend him here by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      A man doesn't give away his entire fortune as a mere PR stunt. If it were just a PR stunt, it would be MS doing it--not Bill Gates personally.

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    4. Re:Someone has to defend him here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It reminds me of that scene in Lethal Weapon 2, when Murtaugh refuses to take money from the bad guys because it is drug money.

    5. Re:Someone has to defend him here by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 2, Informative

      What about John D. Rockefeller? Though I suppose Rockefeller gave his kids some of his money. Then again, if you account for inflation, Rockefeller would have made Gates look poor.

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    6. Re:Someone has to defend him here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he earn his vast fortune in an ethical, and in some cases legal way?

      No.


      Thanks for your opinion, but it's just that, an opinion. Ethical is subjective. Your ignorance is underscored by your claiming that Microsoft is a "convicted monopolist" which is a nonsensical term. Microsoft is not ethically perfect by any means, but to think that all of Bill G's wealth is due to the unethical OEM agreements which prevented the 2nd-rate-nobody-cared-about-anyway BEOS* from being installed on Dell's or Netscape's abysmal 4.0 browser then you're living in a dream land. There was no OSX then, there was no Firefox or Opera then. The competition simply sucked. Now that the competition is good, they're gaining ground.

      * I tripple booted BE, Linux, and MSDOS for a while. BE was nice, clean, and simple, but it wasn't nearly ready for the broad consumer market. Niether was Linux then, and it's still a good 2-3 years away now.

    7. Re:Someone has to defend him here by dangitman · · Score: 1

      He's not giving his kids anything? Got a cite for that? I heard he was giving his kids some money, just not all of it.

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    8. Re:Someone has to defend him here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS is a convicted monopolist on 3 continents. MS used every possible strong arm tactic to cram their shitty OS down on everyone's throat. It's very easy to bad mouth the man himself when he earned most of his fortune by screwing others.

      Look, jackass (may I call you that, jackass?) no company *starts* as a monopoly. Microsoft had to gain a following just like every other company in history. I don't disagree that they made some questionable business decisions once Windows was dominant, but to pretend that every product they've ever shipped was crammed down peoples' throats is simply ignorant of the way the real world works.

    9. Re:Someone has to defend him here by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Okay well, he's giving them something, but not much of it.

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    10. Re:Someone has to defend him here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before you blast the man, think long and hard about the fact that he is the first billionaire to ever publically give away his entire fortune to real charity (that's right, he's not even giving his own kids anything). Rockerfeller, Carnigie, etc ALL gave the vast majoroity of their richest without strings attach. Oh, and they ALL had much more than gates. I forget who it was, but Gates would quit giving away AND increase his take 10 fold for the rest of his life to come close to what the man had. And it was all given away. Why? Because they wanted to remember not as being robber barens (which all were), but as ppl who contributed to society. So far, Gates has not even come close.
      That's way more than any of the geek "heroes" like Steve Jobs have done or will ever do for humanity. Actually jobs has already done more than Gates ever will. Who exactly developed the cheap desktop market? Hint, it was not Gates nor IBM. Gates was simply a leach on the back. In fact, NOTHING innovative has yet come from Gates or MS (though they do buy or destroy innovative companies).
      He's way more charitable than I would be in the same circumstance. Like the rest of your post, you are incorrect. He will be leaving money to his kids. Even Buffett is leaving money to his children/grandchildren, etc. It will be tightly controlled and it will only be used for educational purposes, etc, but money is still being left (and it should be). Secondly, he is doing what others like him have done; try to buy himself back into the good graces of others. Rockerfellers, Carnagie, etc. In fact, he copied them by right away by offering up computers for libraries, that then required the library to buy windows software. Keep in mind that most of those libraries were built by carnigie, who had no such requirements on them (such as you must read books sold only by carnagie).

  22. Bill's last keynote? by jvlb · · Score: 1

    Gosh, I knew he'd become irrelevant some time ago, but isn't a bit harsh to just drop him like that? Oh! Oh! You mean he's retiring! My bad, my bad . . . (tee hee, hee, heee).

  23. Stop that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which particular "Decent Standard" would that be? SVG isn't really ready to take on Flash, and Flash itself is more or less undocumented outside Adobe, so the only application that will edit Flash reliably is... Flash. Stop! You're bringing logic into our emotion-filled debates! Doing so is highly inconvenient. Flash is a "decent standard" because Microsoft didn't make it. It doesn't need to make sense, it just is the way things are!
  24. Exactly by encoderer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Uptake has been slow, but when you're Microsoft, you can afford a slow adoption rate. Especially for a technology like this. Microsoft sees the writing on the wall. This is going to be a major component of their web strategy, I'm sure.

    And when it comes down to it, this is just plainly a better technology than Flash. The only advantage flash has is it's adoption rate and mind-share. Eventually these will be neutralized.

    The newest version of ActionScript is a HUGE improvement upon its predecessors. It truly is. But when it comes to building full-featured web apps that look and act like native rich-client apps, it's still nearly as hard to do that with AS in Flash as it is to do it with JS/Ajax/HTML.

    But with silverlight 1.1 you get the ability to use any CLR-based language-- C#, C++.Net, J#, Python.Net, Ruby.Net, TCL.Net, VB.Net, etc etc. You also get the advantage of the largest framework ever shipped with a language (.Net, of course) and the huge amount of existing code. Not to mention, if you've already got an app -- web based or rich client -- written in .Net, you can port it to silverlight without a terrible amount of work. ESPECIALLY if it was designed using an MVC pattern (or, at least, a 2-tiered approach that would allow you to reuse the model & controller code).

    I'm really not a big Microsoft fan. I've spent most the last year developing with PHP on a LAMP stack. But if I was asked to build a large web based app with a rich-client feel and given the choice of Flash and Silverlight, not having ever tried either, I'd feel a lot better about the latter than I do the former.

    I'm not knocking flash. It's just that flash wasn't really designed to build large apps. It's just been manipulated into that in the past couple years. Silverlight, OTOH, was designed precisely for this reason.

    1. Re:Exactly by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This looks great...until they break compatibility in some clever way to marginalize some segment.

      Its not about the tool itself; it is about what the Microsoft management/lawyers will do with it to negate their competition. They've done it before, many times. They've been convicted in an antitrust case, dragging it out long enough for a sympathetic administration to bail them out of hot water. They will do it again.

      Microsoft tools are snake oil.

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    2. Re:Exactly by FatMacDaddy · · Score: 1
      "Microsoft tools are snake oil."

      My thoughts exactly. Silverlight is in the MS evolutionary stage where the tech is promising and many developers will want to experiment. Once a user base gets addicted to the crack, the terms will change. Silverlight is an attempt to push the .Net framework as much as possible. Personally, though Flash is kind of fun in some ways, I say no thanks to Flash and Silverlight.

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    3. Re:Exactly by hxnwix · · Score: 1

      But if I was asked to build a large web based app with a rich-client feel and given the choice of Flash and Silverlight, not having ever tried either, I'd feel a lot better about the latter than I do the former. You'd try it, and they'd tell you to use flash. This is just like XPS. Never heard of XPS? Here, I'll find you a PDF document describing it...
    4. Re:Exactly by random0xff · · Score: 1

      ActionScript 3 + Flex + Adobe AIR = writing native applications that install cross platform. Good luck with that using Silverlight (or WPF). Also, Silverlight is NOT shipping that largest framework you mention (since when did size matter anyway, for a framework). It comes with a subset of the .NET class library. Lastly, I don't think Silverlight was designed for large apps. It's a browser plugin. Silverlight's WPF subset - Flex's MXML. Multi language DLR - Flash AS3 runtime. VC-1 - FLV format. The one thing that you will not find in Silverlight is locally installable application that you have with Adobe AIR. I know it's a bit complicated, but this is how you should compare.

    5. Re:Exactly by biovoid · · Score: 1

      But if I was asked to build a large web based app with a rich-client feel and given the choice of Flash and Silverlight, not having ever tried either , I'd feel a lot better about the latter than I do the former.

      (Emphasis mine.)

      So in other words, you're almost completely unqualified to comment. Your comments comparing Flash to AJAX make that pretty clear. You should probably educate yourself about the latest changes on the Flash Platform, such as Flash Player 9, ActionScript 3 and Flex 2, before attempting to make any intelligent remarks comparing RIA platforms. Flash Player 9 has been rebuilt from the ground up, with no legacy support (FP8 and earlier content is handled by a separate, legacy virtual machine). AS3 and Flex is much closer to Java in syntax and functionality (event, data-binding etc) than JavaScript.

      Microsoft is making a lot of promises with Silverlight, but until those promises are actually in the hands of developers and working, there is no competition for Flex as an RIA platform.

    6. Re:Exactly by encoderer · · Score: 1

      No, you just misunderstood me.

      The whole sentence was a hypothetical. I've used both Flash and Silverlight, although I do have limited experience with the Silverlight 1.1 beta.

      I have used ActionScript 3, which I mentioned in my OP. It's the most sophisticated implimentation of ECMA script to date, but, frankly, it can't hold a candle to the myriad of language choices you have with Silverlight, including C++.Net, C#, J#, and Ruby.Net.

    7. Re:Exactly by Moonpie+Madness · · Score: 1

      exactly.

      Of course it's better than flash. But flash is the common language.

      Microsoft will use one monopoly to build another or build a weapon to maintain another. It sucks, because I wish there were more successful American corporations in technology. But I do not like to see Microsoft innovate, because I know it is designed to destroy some competitor. As soon as MS has won the battle, the prices become high and the features become lame. looking at the 360, we see that Microsoft can make awesome fun products. But looking at Vista, early XP, Windows ME, we know what kind of effort MS puts into products it can force on people.

  25. Holy canoly Silverlight pegs the processor Batman! by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

    I was running the MES site at Microsoft under a virtual machine, and the task manager inside the VM was at 70-90% cpu usage running only the one firefox window! (as shown on a 3.2Ghz intel processor with 2GB of RAM running Ubuntu)

  26. Bla, bla bla by Tom · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    In other words: Gates is still living in a dream world full of vaporware that he likes to talk about every now and then.

    Thanks, but I much prefer Steve Jobs' talks, because they usually end with "available today". That, Bill, is the difference that matters. If your company would deliver even a fraction of what you publicly dream about... well, as it is your visions are on par with the flying cars we all still don't have.

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    1. Re:Bla, bla bla by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's with all the modding down of anti-Microsoft posts lately?

      Have the polesmoking pro-linux social-retards and vain pro-mac wankers been overrun by pro-MS zombies?

      What is the world coming to?

    2. Re:Bla, bla bla by Tom · · Score: 1

      Mod me down all you want, but the truth still is that MS is a company of promises and "next version" dreams, while other companies out there (and by far not only Apple) actually deliver.

      Hot air may drive a wind-energy power generator, but it doesn't drive technology, IT or even a single website, home-business or enterprise.

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  27. The Road Ahead by LKM · · Score: 2, Funny

    Awesome book. My mom got it for me because it's a computer book, after all, and she knew I somewhat disliked Gates. I love the part where he invents the Mac. Great stuff.

  28. Bill's last keynote by webdev · · Score: 1

    It's too bad it's over. Bill making fun of his own nerd personality never got old. I could watch him pretend to play Guitar Hero for many more years. That was so funny. I wish the keynote was just Bill sitting there pretending to play a video game.

  29. Sound? by Udo+Schmitz · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who has trouble with the sound? I checked three versions of the video and all had the same disturbed, distorted sound ...

  30. Gates is correct - but for handheld Linux tablets! by bball99 · · Score: 1

    just sayin'

    i'm loving my Nokia Nseries Linux tablets!

  31. Blind Squirrel Seeking Nut by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just like with The Road Ahead Bill Gates will soon bring out a second edition of the video recording of the keynote, where he'll use state-of-the-art video-editing wizardry to make it look like he had predicted this year's tech trends all along.

    I had the fortune to catch Bill doing a CES Key-Note address a few years back. It's pretty funny to see how he continues to get it wrong and they continue to have him do Key-Note addresses.

    As a company, Microsoft is not terribly good at being visionary. Their track record is a line of failed attempts to push their technology, which should be hooking every household into a Microsoft world. Where they fail is understanding most of these items consumers buy, use for a while and then toss, without ever getting fully hooked in. Windows CE was to be in everything from CD players to Bookreading tablets, but we're seeing Linux, java, etc. thriving. Clearly there's some reason why not every Consumer Electronics company has not jumped on the Windows bandwagon - they better than I know their reasons, I only observe the results.

    The last time I heard Bill talk he seemed, perhaps unwittingingly, to be threatening about half the companies at CES with muscling them into a Mafia-esque grip of their technology and vision for the future.

    Once you realise most of it is utter bollox, just sit back and wait for him to flub words or his on-stage demo to crash.

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  32. Re:Holy canoly Silverlight pegs the processor Batm by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    I was running the MES site at Microsoft under a virtual machine, and the task manager inside the VM was at 70-90% cpu usage running only the one firefox window! (as shown on a 3.2Ghz intel processor with 2GB of RAM running Ubuntu)

    This is what I worry about.

    As it is I'm not enamoured with FLASH. I usually disable it so I don't have to watch a lot of crappy whizzy ads distracting me. It also keeps my bandwidth fairly low. I honestly do not understand why so many sites open up with a FLASH Splash. It really does nothing for me and means I have to wait for all this junk to download. Now with Silverlight I can look forward to more of the same. Another plugin to manage. Yay.

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  33. Re:fuck microsoft by cloakable · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure, while this didn't seem intentionally funny, it did make me laugh quite a bit. Perhaps a -1, Funny? The 'hail satan' bit really cinched it for me.

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  34. Re:Holy canoly Silverlight pegs the processor Batm by cnettel · · Score: 1

    Considering what Flash tends to do in VNC/RDP/similar settings, and with no info on what kind of VM you used, a severe lack of accelerated video might explain something.

  35. My 2c on Microsoft by arse+maker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can bag microsoft all you want, but for all the things tech companies want to be, microsoft actually did it. Does microsoft get everything right? No, but they are nothing short of impressive when it comes to going back to fix mistakes and completely destroying the competition. Gates doesnt deny this, you win by destroying your competition, not creating the best product. Is bill gates the smartest person who ever lived? No, but hes a very smart guy none the less. Is bill gates the nicest person who ever lived? No, hes an asshole if you are competing with him. But how many people get to the top by counting raindrops and kissing kittens? Steve jobs is exactly the same. It requires drive and single mindedness, even if you are wrong, to do anything of this scale. Im still unsure why microsoft caused a lack of inovation in the computer market, for one, how big were pc's before windows 95? For a guy who gets so many things wrong, microsoft didn't do too bad. We will look back at google in 20 years and see how holy they are then, but I get the feeling you can replace m$ with g$$gle on most comments and it will be pretty close to the mark.

  36. MOD THIS DOWN by tit0.c · · Score: 1

    Yes,because being a monopolist is the same as being a murderer.
    Oh, wait its not.
    Dumbass.

  37. Linux on the desktop: one acronym: EEE PC by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    They are selling like hot cakes.

    So your momentous judgment may be quite premature.

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  38. It is easy to be charitable.... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    .... with wealth obtained by devious ways.

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  39. Yeah, lets acknowledge what he did. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    He helped popularize desktop computing.

    By means of:

    -Blatantly stealing ideas from true innovators.

    -Strongarming business partners.

    -Leveraging their monopoly to spread their tentacles.

    -Stalling the progress of computing and stifling competition in the field.

    -Firmly establishing the abomination of closing the source code to your clients.

    I could continue, but I hope you get the idea.

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  40. No, he isn't. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    But only stupid people would canonize him.

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  41. No, it isn't. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    But some degree of intelligence is assumed about the reader of such a post.

    Obviously the poster is an uncompromising optimist.

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