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Professors Slam Java As "Damaging" To Students
jfmiller call to our attention two professors emeritus of computer science at New York University who have penned an article titled Computer Science Education: Where Are the Software Engineers of Tomorrow? in which they berate their university, and others, for not teaching solid languages like C, C++, Lisp, and ADA. The submitter wonders whether any CS students or professors would care to respond. Quoting the article: "The resulting set of skills [from today's educational practices] is insufficient for today's software industry (in particular for safety and security purposes) and, unfortunately, matches well what the outsourcing industry can offer. We are training easily replaceable professionals... Java programming courses did not prepare our students for the first course in systems, much less for more advanced ones. Students found it hard to write programs that did not have a graphic interface, had no feeling for the relationship between the source program and what the hardware would actually do, and (most damaging) did not understand the semantics of pointers at all, which made the use of C in systems programming very challenging."
Professors Slam Java As "Damaging" To Students
I dunno about you, but java was nothing but helpful to me as a student. the drinkable kind, at least.
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
I'm concerned about the narrowm view of the world IT people and engineers
have these days. I think the problem starts at college -
There's a culture that somehow science is more rational and usefull
then the humanitities. Lecturers encourage students to joke about arts
students, and humilaite them whenever possible. This encourages
eliteism, and I for one am sick of it.
Let's tell it like it is. 'science' is just as much about opinion as
the humanities. Research simply follows the fad of the day. Take
dieticians for example. These men and woman believe that just because
they have degree in medical science that they are all knowing. Why,
what they recommend one day may kill you the next! (see the DDT story
for more information.) Science is 95% opinion then facts, lets face
it. What about astrology, the most rediculious of the sciences! But I
degress...
Another example is music. We know what sounds good. Everyone aggreed
that Valves for instance sound great. But knowitall engineers use
trensastors with inferious sound quality just to save a few bucks.
They argue with numbers. Hey, I don't want to do maths just to listen
to music. I know what I like. You cannot apply objective reasoning to
a subject which is intristically subjective. But try telling those
recent grads with their useless piece of paper that and they go all
mightier--then-thou.
The problem with you technical guys are that you are all so eliteist.
Whilst you want to trun collage into a trade school with yore narrow
minded views that collage should be a job training centre, humanities
are focused on making you a well rounded person who is auctually
interesting to be with, not a boring focuesed geek. Really, it makes
me so mad when people say "oh, he's doing a humanities degree, that's
easy". I have to read *3* *books* *a* *week* on average. Not picture
books either I assue you. It is a lot of work, but the upshot is
improved grammer and spelling skills that are lacking in the
technical. As for those that say "you will be working at mcdonalds" ,
I'm going on to so a PhD in socialolgy where I'll be line for tenure
where I have a much more rewarding job then beeing a science freak or
an engineer. Anyways, all I have to do to be a engineer wold be to get
my MSCE and how hard couyld that be? techincal stuff is simply
whatever fad the market thinks is hot at the moment, but all great
things were done by humanities.
You technical types are far to narrow minded and cynsical. You should
learn to enjoy life.
Peace be to god, he transcends all.
Sure don't you know that C++ was just a cruel joke by the creators. ;)
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Beowulf/c++_interview/c++_interview.html
right back at ya: "if the only tool you have is a chainsaw, every problem looks like hours of fun
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
And what's a SIGSEGV if it's not an auto-null check? ;-)
Just as an extra anecdote and illustration of what happens when such people finally get told about pointers (but still don't quite "get it"): one team's architect actually told everyone to use "Integer" instead of "int" in method definitions everywhere, because it's faster! See, it copies only a pointer instead of the whole int!
Yeah, that guy was quite a bit less than a Michelangelo.
A polar bear is a cartesian bear after a coordinate transform.
Given the authors, perhaps they could share their insight on how studying Ada is damaging to your employment prospects and your career?
There's an even greater danger. A while ago, I was trying to make toString return a length, just like you suggested. Great minds think alike hey? Anyway, I was reading the API docs and eating my donut, and, wouldn't you know it, I dripped some jelly from my donut into my computer. Now, I know what you're thinking, just lick it out right? Well, that's exactly what I tried, and let me tell you, that's a bad idea. I even had to go to the hospital. But Java didn't say ANYTHING ABOUT THIS! Not even a compiler warning. What the hell? The doctor said I could have been killed.
Also, did you know that you can override the paint method on a JFrame? The paint method. The method that does the painting. Why, someone could override that method with some code to show a naked picture of themselves, then forget they did it, then accidentally install the application on every computer at a catholic school. I bet they'd have to register as a sex offender and the girl scouts would stop coming and then where would they get their thin mints? I really miss think mints. I filed a bug report, so here's hoping this dangerous behavior gets fixed in the next release.
And do you people know how damaging English can be to those studying linguistics? No cases, no genders, just two articles, only 26 letters, decimal numerals, vowels not ommitted from spelling, etc. etc.