National ID Cards Mandated in the US, If You're Under 50

charleste writes "CNN is reporting that the US Homeland Security Department has mandated Real ID for drivers licenses. According to the article, this will not include a 'chip', but a list of options by state. Despite legislation passed in various states and objections by groups such as ACLU, this appears to be a done deal. Without one of the new IDs you will be unable to board a plane after 2014 if you are under 50."

Comments

I think it's time to get "real"

[Reality Master 101]

I'm pretty "whatever" on the subject of airplanes, but the US *really* needs a reliable way to prove who you are. A friend of mine has an online payday loan business, and the level of fraud is *insane*. Probably 19 out of 20 applications are fraudulent, because people know that they'll never get tracked down. Most of the fraud can be caught through SSN verification, but it's not a very reliable tool. This business is an extreme example, but credit card fraud happens every day online.

I'm not necessarily in favor of mandatory identification by government on a whim, but there needs to be a way to prove identity. Just as consumers should be able to know they're doing business with a legit business, a business should be able to know exactly who they're doing business with. In the old days when nearly all business was face-to-face and mostly local, it wasn't as much of a problem, but that world is dead.

great moments in hysteria

[circletimessquare]

"homosexuals should be allowed to marry"

conservative fud: "ZOMG! people will marry children and pets!"

no, not really

"realid will become a uniform national id"

libertarian fud: "ZOMG! it's 1984"

no, not really

if you understand why allowing homosexuals to marry is limited in scope, you understand why realid is limited in scope

if, instead, you think it's the beginning of a vast slippery slope into fascism/ the death of the american family, or whatever your retarded fantasies are, you are reacting on fear and hysteria, and nothing else. no reason or rationality about you whatsoever

and frankly, you lose it. where it=a grasp on reality. seriously. realid IS NOT A BIG DEAL. it simply isn't

now don't let me get in the way of you getting your panties in a twist over the coming authoritarian overlords. you go on with your bad selves. i'm obviously an advance guard of the illuminati come to cast aspersions on you

"those who give up a little liberty to gain a little..." PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THAT OVERUSED QUOTE. IT'S NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR THOUGHT

FRANKLIN HIMSELF WOULD LAUGH AT YOU

Re:Papers please

[tuxgeek]

I'll give you a hint: "If we make the wrong choice, then the danger is that we'll get hit again -- that we'll be hit in a way that will be devastating from the standpoint of the United States" -Dick Cheney

Seriously. Our own Government has done a lot more to make us afraid of terrorism then the terrorists themselves have done. How depressing that in 60 years we've gone from "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself" to "Buy duct tape!".

Selling fear and promoting terrorism paranoia has been an extremely profitable enterprise for those jackoffs currently infesting the white house and congress. Hundreds of billions of American dollars annually going to Carlyle group http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html/ and Haliburton to devise, promote, sell, and start military occupations around the globe. It is absolutely disgraceful how our country has become controlled by corporations profiting through an industrial military complex of their creation.

Re:No

[DaveV1.0]

I put your post in context, dumbass. Did you forget you put this:

I would rather be dead than live my life as a slave, even a tiny bit.

If you have a job, you are a slave to your needs and your employers desires, lest you loose your job.
If you are an entrepreneur, you are a slave to your customers desires, lest you loose your customers.
If you are neither, you are a slave to your ideology and live on the charity of other including the government.
If you have insurance, you are a slave to the insurance company because they use your money to pay for other's treatment and force you to justify using it yourself.
If you have a girlfriend, you are a slave to both your desire for her and her desires, or you have a one-sided relationship in which she is your slave and you do not care about her.
And, if you ever have kids, you will be a slave to them as well.

You said you would rather die than be a slave "even a tiny bit". Well, you are a tiny bit a slave. Now go kill yourself.

Re:Papers please

[einhverfr]

If you define a terrorist as an individual or organization which attempts to inspire terror as a way of pushing through some political agenda, that would suggest that the US Gov't is more successful in this area than Al Qaeda....

Re:Papers please

[Cazis]

Define "Terrorism":
terrorism - [ter-uh-riz-uhm]
-noun

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Bush Co is, by definition, the worst terrorist group in existence today and have done far more to offset the world balance than ANY violent Muslim group on a "Jihadist" crusade. They have, by their actions, done more to promote violent terrorism than the groups could have ever hoped for - they even sponser any group, by proxy, where by supporting them, would strengthen US Foreign policies!

Seriously, I cant wait for the day when Bush & Cheney Co. gets sent to Guantanamo Bay or prosecuted for warcrimes or "Crimes Against Humanity" at the Hague. But, what are the odds of the US extraditing a US national? Not going to happen, ever - one can only hope... Or maybe the EU should start copying CIA methods as per kidnapping in Italy etc?