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Messenger Flies by Mercury

Riding with Robots writes "Today, more than three decades after the last spacecraft visited Mercury, Messenger buzzed just 200 kilometers above the planet's surface. During the encounter, the robotic spacecraft conducted a range of scientific observations, including imaging swaths of Mercury's surface that have never been seen up close before. A few of the first pictures are now available, with many more to come in the next few days."

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  1. Three Cheers for NASA! by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hats off to the folks who put this together. I was in high school the last time we saw any closeup pictures of Mercury. Every time we send probes to other panets we find out really cool stuff. Messenger should be no exception.

    If we can't go there ourselves, we can send robots. Robots are cool. :-)

    ...laura

    1. Re:Three Cheers for NASA! by SimonInOz · · Score: 4, Funny

      >> Every time we send probes to other planets we find out really cool stuff.

      cool stuff? Now come on, this is Mercury.

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    2. Re:Three Cheers for NASA! by tarogue · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just make sure you word you request for the Selenium properly, or Speedy will end up going in circles and you could die.

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  2. Oops... by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 4, Informative

    The first images from the close approach will not be available until 01/05/08

    That should be 01/15/08. After 15:00 EST.
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    1. Re:Oops... by dryeo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually July and August were just renamed. July was Quintilis before being renamed in honour of Julius and August was Sextilis. The year used to start in March (Spring) so the month numbers were correct at one time.

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  3. Re:Zoom? by sighted · · Score: 5, Informative

    Those are just the approach images, the shots taken up through yesterday that show what the probe saw as it was speeding toward the planet. The close-ups taken today will be downloaded and posted over the coming hours and days. http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/

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  4. Re:Zoom? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, it'll go into orbit eventually, so yes. Hopefully.

    And even without getting a lot closer, this is *huge*. Fully 55% of Mercury's surface has never been imaged by spacecraft (and cannot really be imaged well from the ground), so we don't have a very good idea what more than half the planet looks like. This flyby, I'm told, well see about half of the un-imaged area.

  5. great flyby animation by imipak · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a really nice animation on the Flyby 1 page: 10Mb version, 84Mb version.

  6. Re:Cant wait by Mantaar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mercury has a dark side? Sort of. It was thought to be tidally locked, until they found out it rotates approx. thrice for every two revolutions around the sun. Mercury has quite a complex orbit, with mercurial days varying between 176 and 58.7 earthen days, as you can read up in Wikipedia
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  7. Re:Cant wait by xouumalperxe · · Score: 4, Funny

    Never know .. might be a nice Alien base on it's dark side

    Or... a Predator! *ducks*

  8. It's a FAKE! by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 4, Funny

    That can't be real! There aren't any stars in the background!

  9. Re:Cant wait by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps you took the astrology course by mistake?

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  10. A good quick read by coffee412 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Section of Reworked Venera-13 Image http://www.mentallandscape.com/V_DigitalImages.htm Checkout the venus pics if you havent already from the link above. Mercury surface pics would be cool.

  11. Re:Correction by the_other_chewey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The first images from the close approach will not be available until 01/05/08

    Could we please use unambiguous date formatting?
    Something like YYYY-MM-DD?
    I guess you actually meant 2008-01-15 with a typo.

  12. Re:Zoom? by HoosierPeschke · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's no moon...

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  13. Re:Cant wait by fireman+sam · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one welcome our Predator ducks overlords.

    Sorry.

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  14. Re:Cant wait by Takichi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nothing beats those astrology and cosmetology courses.

  15. Re:After they found the Face... by Mipsalawishus · · Score: 4, Funny

    That would be one hot ass!

  16. Re:Again? by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just as in Biology, a lot of what is observed in Astronomy is what's big, pretty, and easy. Venus and Mercury are two planets that are largely unappealing by normal standards - way too hot, completely dead and barren. It's always good to see good science being done for the sake of science, not public opinion. Cassini and the rovers were fantastic, but the less glamorous missions are just as important to our understanding.

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  17. Re:Correction by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 4, Funny

    *clearly* he meant 01/15/8000000000008 , which in in the Mecurian calendar means the first month, fifteenth day in the 8-Trillion-and-8th Mecurian solar rotation.

    Plus, the Mercury citizens have learned to simply abbreviate as '08' on their paper calendars-- if you write all the zeros, the paper calendars usually catch fire before you are done-- so it's important to write quickly!

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  18. Re:Zoom? by fonik · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's just taking them a bit longer than usual to 'shop out all the UFO's.

  19. Global warming on Mercury by heroine · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's a planet with a serious global warming problem.

  20. Re:Correction by the_other_chewey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is 2008-01-05 unambiguous?

    ISO 8601.
    Additionally, I'm completely unaware of anyone or anyplace using
    YYYY-DD-MM as a date format, and my googleing seems to confirm that.

  21. Re:Again? by rk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Part of the problem, too, is that it's really tricky to get to Mercury due to the amount of delta-v you need to shed Earth orbit, plus unlike Mars, Mercury has a negligible atmosphere which makes aerobraking useless. That's why they did three slingshot maneuvers to get there. The navigation team at JPL has really outdone themselves with this flight, and are to be commended.

    It actually takes more delta-v to get to the sun than it takes to leave the solar system from here. This is why that whole "send dangerous waste to the sun" is a really bad idea. It takes a huge amount of fuel and if you miss, you've got a dangerous payload in a highly eccentric orbit that almost certainly crosses the Earth's. What could possibly go wrong? :-)

    And maybe it's because I'm a space nerd, but I think MESSENGER is glamorous as hell.

  22. Re:Again? by rpj1288 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, pointing something towards the sun wouldn't really send your payload into the sun unless you pushed really, really, really hard. To get something to approach the sun using chemical rockets, one must think about the concept of an orbit. An orbit is defined by the object's speed around its central body. Thus, in order to get closer to the sun, your payload would have to drop its orbital velocity to near enough to zero, if you want a fast collision. You would need to use energy to get to the limit of earth's gravitational influence, about 1,000,000km out. At this point, you would essentially moving with the same orbital velocity as the earth with respect to the sun. Escape velocity for Earth is about 11km/s. With respect to the Sun, the Earth has an orbital velocity of about 48km/s. This means that to get you probe to go on a straight line to the sun, you would need 59km/s of delta v, which is a hell of a lot, and delta v is (essentially) directly proportional to amount of fuel you must carry. Now, granted, you could take a more circuitous route to arrive at the sun, and use less delta v, but it would still be a significant fraction of the 59km/s.

    With regards to you second question, unless the highly inclined orbit was altered again at perigee and apogee with respect to the sun, your payload would return to the Earth's orbit.

    Note: I am not a rocket scientist, at least not for a while, but I have done a bit of interplanetary stuff like this. All the numbers come from google. And it is entirely possible I'm quite mistaken, but I hope this was a bit helpful.

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