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News Of SETI Signal Just Bad Reporting

The Bad Astronomer writes "Rumors have been flying in recent days that the SETI project has received a strong signal from space, indicating the possibility of intelligent extraterrestrial life. Bad Astronomy breaks down the origins of this (false) claim, which mostly amounts to a heaping helping of shoddy journalism. 'I just talked to Dan Wertheimer, the astronomer quoted in the article. He told me that the original interview was about sending signals into space (so-called active SETI) as opposed to just listening for aliens. After the interview, he talked to the reporter about some of the astronomy he does, including looking at what are called radio transients: bursts of radio waves that are seen once and never repeat. These may come from one-off events like colliding neutron stars, exploding stars, and so on. Somehow, in the article the reporter mixed up the observation of the transient signals with detecting a signal from E.T.'"

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  1. Must be aliens by Liquidrage · · Score: 2, Funny

    Only the true messiah would deny his divinity.

    Ergo...I think this denial is a sure sign that SETI has found something.

    1. Re:Must be aliens by cHiphead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually it would make sense that this is a reversal for the sake of coverup, the world already has lots of civil unrest, actual alien contact could spin it all out of control and everyone goes apeshit for a while, until we realize the signal is from a long since gone species (unless they're already on the way here).

      The nice part would be increased focus on space faring technology and more defense spending towards space based defenses (from the outside, not all point down at us).

      Cheers.

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    2. Re:Must be aliens by dtml-try+MyNick · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've often wondered what would happen if it somehow get's out to the public that we have received a signal from a alien origin.

      If, big if, we can somehow manage to prove without any doubt that some other species in space has sent a signal or message. I think it would/could be very beneficial to the human race.
      It could raise the awareness that the individual human is a almost meaningless small part of the universe, it would raise global thinking and consciousness. No more this is my land but this is our world instead. Religions could be tossed away, or at least all the "holy" texts would have to be rewritten thoroughly, God created 'our race'... history!, God created mankind and those other guys out there.

      The two biggest reasons for humans to wage war on each other would be almost assimilated.

      Of course, this would never happen, religious and political leaders would go mental since that would be the biggest threat to their power ever. Instead they would try to frighten us, OBL was a pussy, Zergia from planet666 is the new enemy.

      But hey, a man can still have his dreams right?

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    3. Re:Must be aliens by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "actual alien contact could spin it all out of control and everyone goes apeshit for a while"

      no it wouldn't. Not at all, please stop spouting Hollywood nonsense.

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  2. Welcome by S.O.B. · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one welcome our incompetent journalist overlords.

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    1. Re:Welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well sure, you read Slashdot, don't you? :)

    2. Re:Welcome by S.O.B. · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, that would be our "dupe overlords".

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    3. Re:Welcome by fm6 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You better! If you don't, they will write you out of reality!

      This debunking is the first I heard of this "news". I guess I don't follow enough blogs...

      My favorite Stupid Journalist story, reported by Herb Caen, concerns a modern poet. A journalist asked him why his verses didn't rhyme. He responded that many great poets dispensed with rhyme, including Homer and Virgil. The journalist quoted him as saying that rhyme was invented by a poet named Homer Virgil!

    4. Re:Welcome by pnewhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      FOX News is to the right of the Left, and to the right of the Center. But it isn't as far to the right (with respect to the Center) as the Left is to the left of the Center--the Center being simple boring neutral news worth reading, without any extra interpretation or spin.

      Maybe, but FOX is definitely on the far incompetent side of center and way, way far from good and unbiased, where center is simple boring neutral news.

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  3. Conspiracy by Freeside1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It really was alien, but the aliens are already here, and they're covering it up so they can terraform our planet with global warming.

  4. Incompetence by nonsequitor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence.

    That saying proves itself everyday. I know most people don't understand science, but if you are reporting on it at least pay attention long enough to accurately report what you were told by someone who does understand. Why do people think it's ok to be proud of their ignorance? Its one thing to own your weaknesses having tried and failed, but it seems like most non-technical people stopped trying.

    1. Re:Incompetence by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had a brief stint as a journalist - I always repeated back to my sources what I understood them to mean.

      They often corrected me.

      When I did a feature on a person, even a critical piece, I would send a draft to them before I submitted the article - usually there were no corrections - but when there were - they were vital.

    2. Re:Incompetence by B3ryllium · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I see why your stint was short. You were a good journalist, rather than an idiotic sensationalist one ... there's just no market for that any more. :(

  5. Next assignment by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stay tuned for this reporter's interview with a McDonald's manager. It turns out he actually invented cows!

    1. Re:Next assignment by snl2587 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Given what they're passing off for meat on the McDonald's Value Menu these days, I wouldn't be too surprised if one of them created a nasty, cardboard-flavored version of a cow.

    2. Re:Next assignment by Pojut · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When I was 16 (I'm 23 now) I did a one year stint in a McDonalds. I don't know if it's the same now as it was then, but when I was working there the boxes that the meat came in were all stamped USDA Grade A Beef. The problem is that for potential lawsuit reasons, McDonalds cooks all it's burgers to well done. When I worked there, for my dinner I would make one medium rare. This will sound crazy, but when they are cooked right (at least back then...again, don't know if this applies now) it made for one of the best burgers I've had anywhere.

      The beef is actually very high quality...it just gets cooked into oblivion (and cooked very quickly, at that...from walk-in refrigerator to ready-for-burger in about a minute and a half...not the best of ways to cook meat if taste is of any concern.)

  6. The trouble with Journalists... by thewils · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that they aren't likely to let the facts get in the way of a good story.

    It also pisses me off greatly when newsreaders append their own opinion to the end of a news story. You are a newsreader dammit. Just supply the facts and let people make up their own mind - that is if it is possible for you to supply the facts without your personal bias in the first place.

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  7. The original article by hugecabbage · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's the cached article: Has E.T. Made A Call? [Google]

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  8. Pay no attention to the sig by techpawn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Mr. Harley: Your impatience is quite understandable.
    Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
    Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry... I wish it were otherwise.

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    1. Re:Pay no attention to the sig by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hate that fucking movie.

      Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.

      You mean stupidity like walking up to a line of nervous soldiers (members of a hostile race you have supposedly studied) pointing guns at him, pointing a tube at their leader and then having it quickly sproing out pointy appendages without warning? In reality he wouldn't have had one bullet grazing him. It owuld be 5000 of them completely ventilating his goofy looking spacesuit and any judge in that galaxy would rule it a justified homicide.

      Oh, and how about the whole "if your leaders, a tiny percentage of humanity, don't shape up, we'll incinerate the entire Earth, thus destroying uncounted innocent along with every other species that has nothing to do with this, and a precious, rare, 4 billion year old biosphere."

      And forget the whole "we willingly bend over for our robot overlords" thing. If they aren't stupid, why do they need an army of MechanoMonsters policing them?

      It's just not the classic people make it out to be.

      Anyway, the whole movie was just a dumb Jesus analogy. The screenwriter even admits it.

      I once sketched out a remake of that film. The Army Corps of Engineers manages to pwn Gort with a rocket boosted B-52 dropped from low Earth orbit, and then we send Klaatu and his fascist alien bully boys packing.

  9. links to cached article by The+Bad+Astronomer · · Score: 4, Informative

    At the bottom of the blog post I put a link to the cached article, and I took a snapshot of it which is on my Flickr account. It's all linked on the blog.

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  10. Journalism by doconnor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with journalism is that journalists tend to report on so many different topics, they often don't really understand them. It's like if a programmer was given a totally different assignment every day. Even the best one couldn't do a good job because it would take weeks for them to understand how things work and all the terminology.

    Ideally, instead of relatively few full time journalists, they should have many part time journalists who work full time in the industry they report on. The quality of the writing might suffer a bit, but it would be far more accurate.

    Fortunately, we are seeing the rise of blogs where there are many people who know what they are talking about.

    1. Re:Journalism by The+Bad+Astronomer · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree. It's very easy now to find, for example, astronomy news on blogs where the author knows what they are talking about (cough cough). Universe Today is a great example, and there are many others. The mainstream media have shot themselves in the foot over the past few years; very few have any dedicated science reporters, but the public *likes* science stories. So folks turn to teh intertoobs, and I for one welcome our new public overlords.

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    2. Re:Journalism by Zordak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fortunately, we are seeing the rise of blogs where there are many people who know what they are talking about. Sweet! Can you point me to those? Most of what I see is Jane Doe posting the x^nth picture of her stupid, lazy cat curled up in a ball with a "cute" caption like "The REAL Boss Around Here!"
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    3. Re:Journalism by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 3, Informative
  11. With such an article... by Sobieski · · Score: 2, Funny

    it wouldn't surprise me if it said that at the time of the recieval, the equipment was "pointed at Uranus"

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    1. Re:With such an article... by ledow · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah, ha! We found you out, Mr Alien. No human being would use a word like recieval when they actually meant reception. Now take off that fake beard...

  12. wishing by mugnyte · · Score: 4, Insightful


      The web, as a reflection of the population as a whole, is chock full of wishful thinking about fantasies. The youtubes seemed to be clogged with "evidence" of UFOs, angels, monsters, ghosts, etc.

      Frankly, it's a little disappointing to see a lack of critical thinking. I'm all for discovering amazing new things, in any topic. But defending the stories wholesale under the guise of "how can you deny all the evidence?" kinda paints a picture of cultist mentality. Somewhat scary and journalists are not immune. They just want something that sounds like a "scoop" and grab the eyeballs (and sell the ads).

      SETI is a worthwhile endeavor to me, but of course they'd hold a press conference if something big didn't filter away.

    1. Re:wishing by southpolesammy · · Score: 3, Insightful


      So remember when your feeling very small and insecure,
      How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
      And pray that there intelligent life somewhere up in space,
      Cause theres bugger all down here on Earth.

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  13. Not to worry... by bobdotorg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Should the reporter get fired, he has a great future as a Slashdot editor.

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  14. Cover up, the message was translated by edwardpickman · · Score: 2, Funny

    It did come from a system that went Nova though. Signal, "What's up with the sun? Oh shiiiitttttt........".

  15. What really bothers me about this by Phylarr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is that you know the reporter will keep his job. If you're dumb enough to misinterpret by that degree the words that someone spoke to you, then you should have no job reporting on anything.

    The article actually contained the sentence "Across the globe, researchers searching for signs of life in space were abuzz this week with word that a mystery signal has been picked up by a giant radio-telescope in Puerto Rico."

    This was not just a science neophyte failing to understand big sciency words, this was a reporter blatantly making shit up.

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  16. poor reporting shouldn't be tolerated by Gearoid_Murphy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    reporters should be made accountable for their actions, so often, when disscussing a particular scientific subject, reporters discuss the mainstream view and for good measure bring in this bearded nutcase to discuss his highly controversial but completely improbable take on the situation. To the layman (or woman), this would appear the such a view point is equally as valid as the mainstream view. Take for example global warming, a touchy subject at the best of times. For many years, the vast majority of the scientific community have agreed with the observations and conclusions with respect to the increasing temperatures and our CO2 pollution. However, news reporters always, and I mean always, included a reference to the lone few individuals who thought otherwise. This might be down to journalistic traditions which seek to examine all view points but when it comes to accurately portraying the true state of the science, it is grossly distorted.

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  17. Re:Paying attention to the sig by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 2, Funny

    You might not have liked the movie, but I for one welcome out robot overlords... Especially if our groovy overlords have big chins and chain saw arms.
  18. No wonder by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I did a feature on a person, even a critical piece, I would send a draft to them before I submitted the article - usually there were no corrections - but when there were - they were vital. No offence, but no wonder your stint was brief. The journalist's job is to get it right the first time, or ask for clarification during the interview. You get one chance to get it right when it goes to print.

    This is sometimes extremely difficult because when you are a journalist, if you make mistakes, they end up in print for everyone to see, with your name attached. But it's better to make mistakes, and correct them in humility, than to let your source write your story for you.

    I've worked as a journalist for nearly seven years, and I've made some doozie mistakes, and corrected them. But I have never let a source control my story. And you know what? I've never had one refuse to be interviewed again, even if the story was critical of them. The most I will do is read back their quotes to them, and tell them in what light I am presenting them. But giving them editorial control over your story is a bad idea.

    One last thing - the SETI reporter made a big, stupid mistake. It's a good thing the summaries around here are always so accurate, isn't it?
    1. Re:No wonder by Stanistani · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I never let a source control my story - but I did let them know what was coming, and give them their shot at refuting my findings.

      One of my stories generated hundreds of hate emails to the subject, and he couldn't really deny any of the allegations in my article.

      I moved on to a better-paid job - I wasn't discharged.

      I did enjoy my employment, despite inverted pyramid leads and such.

    2. Re:No wonder by Bombula · · Score: 3, Informative
      I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill here (imagine a journalist doing that...). This guy said he referred back to his sources for accuracy in data-collection, which is tantamount to accuracy in reporting. Yes, it's great if you can do this all during the interview, but going to press afterwards with reckless disregard for the facts is hardly "letting a source control the story." Moreover, the idea that the journalist 'controls' the story is asinine in itself. In the parent article about SETI, the journalist was obviously 'controlling' the story - thanks to his own moronic misunderstanding of the facts of the situation. I don't know about most readers here, but that's not my idea of quality journalism. Get the facts straight, understand what you're talking about, and fact-check your goddamn articles before you go to press. If that means clarifying a source's information after the interview, whether it's their quotations or the concepts behind them, then so be it: the telephone and wikipedia are your friends.

      A good journalist reports the facts accurately and objectively, even if it means going back to get something you missed or muddied during the interview. And the only thing controlling the story should be the truth. If you believe anything else, you're nothing but a hack whose willing to peddle any old dogshit for a moment in the limelight - the world doesn't need any more of those kinds of people.

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  19. Problematic by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What you get with that scenario is news written by hobbyists, which is not necessarily bad, but they are only writing about what they find interesting. Which explains why Wikipedia has more information about He-Man and the Masters of the Universe than string theory.

    And besides, the pay in journalism is shitty enough now, you're not going to get very skilled writers/researchers/thinkers for part-time wages. Unless you outsource reporting to India, which has already been done (http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/story3306.shtml)

    But people want news now, they want it accurate, and they want it free. Just remember you get what you pay for.