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MacBook Air's Battery is Actually Easy to Replace

pizzach noted that the MacBook Air battery is actually fairly easy to replace. "All it requires is a philips screwdriver. Unlike some of Apple's other products, the battery is not so soldered in which should make a lot of people at least a little bit happier." I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed.

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  1. Keep waiting by adamwright · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you want big screens and fast clocks, I'd conjecture you're not the market segment the Air is aimed at. Have you considered a Macbook Pro?

    1. Re:Keep waiting by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have to work with some gawdawful Windows IDEs that were clearly designed for a 21" monitor or bigger. So I can't get by with anything less than a 17" notebook. Even so, I'm always fussing with nested split panes.

      Even a good IDE, like Eclipse, probably would be hard to use on anything less than a 15" monitor.

      If I was working in Emacs, or if all I had to do was office type tasks, 13" would be plenty for me.

      Every notebook is a set of compromises. Bigger screens (and faster processors) require larger batteries or shorter battery life, or both, along with greater weight. Tiny screens means much less weight, and greater convenience when you are doing things like trying to fit your laptop and coffee onto a cafe table. I suspect 15" to 17" is a good compromise for most people who need laptops.

      But it is also true that any design that excels in some dimension is bound to be better for some people. I'd like a 20" laptop, because of the software I have to use. When I was traveling a lot, searching for an outlet at the airport was often a big deal, but if I could afford a 20" laptop, I'd just buy a spare battery. I'm a 250 pound weightlifter, and also an extremely light packer, so the space and weight is nothing for me.

      On the other hand, small and light would outweigh other considerations for other people. A 98 pound woman whose travels a lot is going to look at a 20" laptop weight eighteen pounds as an exercise in lugging 20% of her body weight through the airport. For her a MacBook air, at 3 pounds, is actually a heavier load a percentage of her body weight than a typical 17" laptop is for me.

      There are people who would love this thing for its low weight and the convenience of a small package. Even I would find it convenient, if it weren't for the software I have to use.

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    2. Re:Keep waiting by ardin,mcallister · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, instead of comprimizing, I have a 15" laptop, and a Samsung Q1Ultra (7" screen)... you'd be amazed what you can get done on a 7" 1024x600 screen... especially when the battery life is 3:30 even when working hard. I even have a NDS with the browser rom so If all i need is to check my mail, i just pull that out.

      Also, the samsung is great if you wear cargo pants and find yourself constantly needing a computer for something or another. it fits in the cargo pocket. it was great when i went to the wild game with it. had something to do durring breaks.

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    3. Re:Keep waiting by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damnit, i forgot to mention, i got the thing for free from someone, so yeah, didnt have to pay for it... made my own power cable. And yes, i have young eyes... i'm only 22


      You bastard! If you have a trust fund and are only working to amuse yourself, I don't want to hear about it.
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    4. Re:Keep waiting by Bobartig · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dell makes a 20" portable, it even has a big beefy integrated handle. At 18.3 lbs, you could use it for some curls on the go, as well.

      http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010

      Being a non-coder working in game development, I had to use IDEs every day, mainly Visual Studio and ProDG. VS was pretty easy to get to a 'reasonably productive' state with a few clicks, but ProDG (for PS3) was this labyrinthine mess, spawning split windows everytime you tried to click anywhere.

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    5. Re:Keep waiting by diskis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With the exact same resolution as most 15" models (1680x1050).
      Get the 17" with 1920x1200, same as a desktop 24".

    6. Re:Keep waiting by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, it would be ridiculous. It's not quite 30 inches, but it's still huge. Seriously I don't know why people buy these things. Buy a smaller laptop and hook it up to the big screen when you get to the office/home.

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    7. Re:Keep waiting by toddestan · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see it mostly for the people who plan on using their laptop sitting at their desk almost all of the time, but still want the capability to grab it and go if they need to. It would also make a great system for LAN parties and such.

  2. I don't mean to troll but... by toppavak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't the whole point of the 'Apple experience' to never have to do something like open up your laptop's case with a screwdriver?

    1. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Yetihehe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't you understand? Steve just tries to entertain mac users and show them new and innovative things (like screwdrivers).

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    2. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by splortnik2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it depends on the Mac. I've tried to open a grand total of two Apple laptops. One was surprisingly accessible and easy to crack open, one was a nightmare. Don't mean to be harsh, but more generally it's a bit lazy to think that getting the basic user experience right (thoughtful, consistent UI for example) is necessarily at odds with being able to pop open the hood.

    3. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like the iPods, the mechanics (structure) involved to make the battery as easy to remove as say, the macbook, would add a significant amount to the size of the unit. The battery latch on the macbook is roughly the size of a nickel. Would you like your ipod to be 1/8" thicker just to add a latch for the battery?

      For apple, a BIG selling point is it's the thinnest thing going for anywhere near those specs. Adding a latch is NOT worth losing that bragging right.

      Also you'd have to consider adding casing for the battery since its no longer considered always protected inside the shell of the computer, so that adds both size and weight. The iPod's internal battery has an "outer case" of foil, hardly suitable for consumer handling. And the connector needs to be something that can handle many hundreds of uses, not just a few. That connector again adds size and some weight. The external battery connectors that apple uses are actually pretty big, and I'd be willing to bet you can't find that much unused space in the Air.

      And considering the claimed battery life, it almost erases the need to carry a spare battery.

      My watch has a battery that I can't replace myself. I have to take it into the store for them to crack it open because it's a diver's watch and requires a special tool to unscrew the back cover. Does this bother me? no. I expect it. Your car needs the transmission serviced after so many miles, and that's not considered a user-maintenance thing either. There are many more examples. It's not like you throw it away when the battery goes out... Now THAT you would have room to complain about.

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    4. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by toppavak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like the iPods, the mechanics (structure) involved to make the battery as easy to remove as say, the macbook, would add a significant amount to the size of the unit. The battery latch on the macbook is roughly the size of a nickel. Would you like your ipod to be 1/8" thicker just to add a latch for the battery? I completely understand what you're here, I was just trying to make the point that proposing this 'solution' to assuage peoples' concerns about not having a swappable battery is a little... disingenuous to the ideal of the Mac as easy to use. If someone doesn't want to buy a Mac cause they can't swap batteries, being able to swap batteries by opening up the case isn't going to change that.

      And considering the claimed battery life, it almost erases the need to carry a spare battery. For a lot of people, I can see this being the case, but equally not the case for many other people that want ultraportables. A 5 hour battery life on a 16 hour flight would be a bit... lacking. Not to mention people that travel to underdeveloped regions. Especially considering the 5 hour rating is probably the max not the minimum. I'd much rather have a slightly larger laptop (like a thinkpad X61) with the oversized battery giving 10 hours of juice and keep the original 5 hour battery in my bag for emergencies.
    5. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by russlar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Isn't the whole point of the 'Apple experience' to never have to do something like open up your laptop's case with a screwdriver?
      someone remind this guy that the first mac was made of wood.
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    6. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by splortnik2003 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, this is true. I don't know why it doesn't bother me as I'm someone that used to buy extra batteries by default with any new laptop. Probably a combination of more plugs on flights, a pretty good claimed battery life, and exposure to the Apple RDF.

    7. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by thegnu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Would you like your ipod to be 1/8" thicker just to add a latch for the battery?

      These Sansa e200 things have these neat little beveled screws that add approximately .04 microns to the width of the device. I actually WOULDN'T want a latch on my MP3 player that disengaged the battery, thank you very much. But beveled screws...I'm so excited about where this new technology will take pioneers like Apple!
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    8. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Murphy+Murph · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These Sansa e200 things have these neat little beveled screws that add approximately .04 microns to the width of the device. I actually WOULDN'T want a latch on my MP3 player that disengaged the battery, thank you very much. But beveled screws...I'm so excited about where this new technology will take pioneers like Apple!


      The Sansa E200 series actually proves the grandparent's point.
      The Sansa E200 series contains the three most-requested features the iPod Nano lacks:
      FM radio.
      Expansion card slot.
      Easily swappable battery.

      What do we get?
      A device almost exactly twice as thick as the thickest Nano.
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    9. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by photomonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your car needs the transmission serviced after so many miles, and that's not considered a user-maintenance thing either.

      Changing the gearbox fluid on my TJ is easier than changing the engine oil. Break open the fill nut (to let air into the transmission) and open the drain plug. Close drain plug and add gear oil until it starts dribbling out of the fill hole. Then tighten the fill nut, and you're done. And even engine oil is that plus filter.

      What seems easy and simple to some (read: user serviceable) is difficult for others.

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    10. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >Even an external USB battery expander would defeat the purpose of an ultraportable- it'd be a little awkward to have a brick sticking out of the side of your sleek sexy ultra thin Air.

      in that case, surely having a swapable battery would also defeat the point as you'd be carrying another battery with you everywhere.

      I genuinely can't understand the mentality of all these people who claim to be constantly going on 10+ hour flights with no access power sockets and want an ultraportable laptop but also want to carry the weight of several spare batteries.

      post screenshots of your airline tickets or you're all a bunch of whining fucking liars.

      personally, I don't care about swapping batteries because I never want to carry a spare with me anyway. if a slimmer design means having to visit a store in person every 2 years or so to have it changed, then get over it or buy a different laptop.

    11. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by localman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which is why you can probably take it in to the Apple Store and they'll replace it for you.

      Actually, I have many complaints about the Apple Store service, but just last week they fixed a keyboard problem on the spot by replacing a few keys and didn't charge me anything. So I wouldn't be surprised if they would install a battery you bought.

      Cheers.

    12. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by /ASCII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The gist of the second half of your post seems to be that the main problem with the Air is that it doesn't fix every single problem and complaint that people of today has with laptops. It doesn't have to. There is a market for different laptops with different tradeoffs. Personally, I value small and light very highly, so I'd definitely consider buying an Air if I hadn't bought a pretty sweet computer 6 months ago. But I may very well beuy an Air 2.0 in a year or two.

      BTW, we have 5 X61s at work, and with the oversized battery they get more like 7 hours. Not that much more than the claimed 5 hours from the air, and the oversized battery is OMG HUEG!1!!

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    13. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by DrXym · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Like the iPods, the mechanics (structure) involved to make the battery as easy to remove as say, the macbook, would add a significant amount to the size of the unit. The battery latch on the macbook is roughly the size of a nickel. Would you like your ipod to be 1/8" thicker just to add a latch for the battery?

      I don't accept that for a second. Apple is allegedly a company which comes up with clever designs, yet not for batteries it seems. Instead they expect people either to throw away their otherwise fully functioning iPod / Air and buy a new one, or do without an iPod / Air for a week or more while its sent off to some expensive replacement program. And in the case of iPod you're not even guaranteed to get back the iPod you sent out.

      I doubt it would add any significant thickness to the Air to add a battery compartment. Who says it even has to be accessed from the underside? It could be slotted in from the side or in some other way that might allow Apple to call it an innovation.

      If this were any other company but Apple, people wouldn't be making excuses for them. Sealed in batteries suck and Apple's use of them is a cynical ploy to force people to upgrade a few years down the line when they die.

    14. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by jonnythan · · Score: 2, Informative

      The View that's just a *little* thicker than a Nano doesn't have a user-replaceable battery ;)

      In fact, it's not replaceable at all. Sansa has no battery replacement program whatsoever for the View.

    15. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Macdude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If someone doesn't want to buy a Mac cause they can't swap batteries, being able to swap batteries by opening up the case isn't going to change that.

      There are two kinds of people wanting to swap batteries, one wants to swap them frequently when the battery runs down, and the other wants to be able to swap them occasionally when the battery starts to fail. Being able to open the case with a screwdriver and swap the battery appeals to the latter group.

      For a lot of people, I can see this being the case, but equally not the case for many other people that want ultraportables. A 5 hour battery life on a 16 hour flight would be a bit... lacking.

      So you'd rather buy and carry around three spare batteries rather than shell out $49 on a MagSafe Airline Adapter?

      Sorry, but this all sounds like the standard response to any new apple product, people look for reasons not to like it.

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    16. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by salimma · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A 5 hour battery life on a 16 hour flight would be a bit... lacking. Not to mention people that travel to underdeveloped regions. Especially considering the 5 hour rating is probably the max not the minimum.


      Completely agree there, and that is what external batteries are for (battery packs that connect to the laptop's power plug). Unfortunately, last time I check, there's no official third-party MagSafe licensee -- I noticed mikegyver.com but that looked rather fishy.
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    17. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by dufachi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, up next on Jobs' list is the iScrew; a $75 screw driver used just for opening up your MacBook Air to swap the battery.

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    18. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by djh101010 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think it depends on the Mac. I've tried to open a grand total of two Apple laptops. One was surprisingly accessible and easy to crack open, one was a nightmare. Don't mean to be harsh, but more generally it's a bit lazy to think that getting the basic user experience right (thoughtful, consistent UI for example) is necessarily at odds with being able to pop open the hood.

      I've been inside 3 Dells, one Toshiba, and one IBM Thinkpad. All three of them were a certified pain in the ass. Not sure how "hard to work on stuff inside" is in any way unique to Apple. In the case of the Air, from the pics, it's a case of "unscrew the cover and unplug the battery", which oddly enough is exactly the same thing I had to do to upgrade RAM on my Dell D600 - unscrew a cover, unplug something, and plug something else in.

      Not disagreeing with your point, don't get me wrong - but it's funny that so many people started out whining about the battery not being replacable (it is), are now complaining that you need to (GASP!) use a screwdriver to do it. It's really not a big deal. The only drawback I see is that you can't have two batteries and swap them on the fly. I don't spend that much time away from some sort of power outlet, so for me, it's a non-problem.
    19. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by Gyga · · Score: 2, Funny
      Uses for a dead laptop:
      • Balancing a table
      • Distracting muggers from your wallet
      • Door stop (The air might not work here)
      • Booster seat (air won't work here)
      • Hitting people (the Air might make a good knife...)
      • Low caliber bullet shield
      • Defense from a single zombie.
      • Break a window to escape from zombies
      • Makeshift ninja throwing star
      • MacGyver snowboard/high yield explosive
      • Cutting board for preparing food
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    20. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 2, Informative

      Battery compartments are NEVER 'simple engineering' for anything more complex than a flashlight. It's one of the most expensive parts of enclosure design, particularly if it incorporates generic batteries like an AA cell, where you have to accommodate any kind of battery someone picks up when traveling somewhere.

      I have maintained for some time that Apple's designers just aren't capable enough to design enclosures with removable batteries. Good camera companies, who've been in the business since Apple was producing the Apple 1 (which was sold just as a bare circuit board) have got it right. Apple focuses instead on sleek and chic.

    21. Re:I don't mean to troll but... by dafing · · Score: 2, Funny
      Its almost funny that posts like yours pop up nowadays :)

      The first iMac, friggin wow, can you think of a computer from that era? I know what I was using, but I bet you dont remember any OTHER one as much as you would the iMac and your own computer(s). I was at school at the time, and we got a Mac using principal, he bought the school macs. It was truly a miracle in every sense of the word :) We went from these huge beige boxes, and mice that had SCREW IN connectors for gods sake, big white mice with "MICROSOFT" on them, terrible shape, to a bunch of iMacs with The Puck. The Principal got himself the best iMac, the DV, for video editing, it was BLACK and had a better video card basically, maybe more firewire or something too. That one came with the Apple Pro Mouse. That was the first Optical Mouse I had seen, and I was smitten. Lusting for a mouse!

      The iPod was the same for me, my cousin brought her 3G over to my work and let me play with it, I didnt even listen to one single song, just played with the scroll wheel and saw what it had to offer. I wanted one from the very first second I saw it. Nothing else at that time, about 2003, had the same effect. Sony Discmans, maybe a similar price, they were just crap now. Any other HDD music players were JUNK.

      I think the Macbook Air looks great, not for me, but its still great. I can respect that people out there want one. I guess you can blame the other manufacturers for not being in the same "league" as Apple. Theres no ASUSWORLD, I dont get excited over a new NEC laptop. Showmanship counts, think about, Jobs showed the first iBook, it was using wifi, the audience didnt know that, they were blown away by those bright colours already, and then he put it on the net, and passed that laptop through a hoop. No wires. The crowd loved it. I loved it.

      If other companies made products as good as Apples, then Apples would come down in price, and there would be more features developed, through competition. There just isnt anything out there that does it for me the same as the Apple products do.

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  3. Something bigger/faster by erebus24 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed. You means something like a MacBook Pro? I think one of us is missing the point of the MacBook Air.
    1. Re:Something bigger/faster by stewbacca · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not to mention the faster MBP with a 15" screen is only $200 more than the Air as well.

    2. Re:Something bigger/faster by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What *is* the point.

      What market segment up until now were saying to themselves "If only this laptop was exactly the same size but *thinner*"

      My boss travels a lot on airlines and was waiting for an ultraportable macbook. He wanted one *smaller* - that could fit nicely in the limited space on airline seating in the way a normal laptop won't. This doesn't either.. so it's a missed opportunity.

      The other thing he asked for - solid state disks (hard disks don't last long if you fly a lot) - was answered, but he won't be getting the Air.

    3. Re:Something bigger/faster by vidarh · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I've travelled a lot with my 15" MacbookPro (90.000 miles last year) and airline seats wasn't a big problem. A 13" is certainly small enough. If you want smaller, there are plenty of (non-Mac) alternatives, but 13" is really the smallest I can comfortably use. Having something thinner and lighter would make far more difference to me, as it'd make it more comfortable to carry my laptop around with me to meetings while still remaining usable.

      As for the limitations, they don't really bother me much apart from the battery limitations. But then, in business class most airlines offer in-seat power these days and adapters for the Macs are cheap enough, and if you fly economy there are always external portable laptop adapters you can buy (yes, they are not great, but if you're sitting in your seat on a plane it's not a big problem to have one in your carry on and put it in the pouch of the seat in front of you while working, and if the alternative is carrying around replacement laptop batteries you'd be carrying about the same weight anyway).

    4. Re:Something bigger/faster by stewbacca · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Something tells me that if Apple had made the Mac Book Air 10 or 12 inches instead of 13, people would be ripping Apple for making a computer with a screen that is too small. Look at it another way...it is the thinnest notebook on the planet with the largest screen.

    5. Re:Something bigger/faster by British · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's what gets me. I just don't get the point of a thinner notebook, and if I'm reading this right, needs dongles for every port. Never have I seen anybody complain about laptops being overly thick. Nobody says, "wow, I wish this notebook was 2cm thinner, as this would be revolutionary!". Of course, we've seen Apple innovations go the way of smaller iPods, on the x & y axis. Now the laptop is just smaller on the Z plane.

      You want innovation? How about a cheaper laptop? A laptop that costs less than $500 that has all the features of competing laptops $1200+ would get my attention.

      Want more innovation? Shrink the size of those dang power bricks. We can make everything else smaller in computing, except the power supply?

      Of course, any laptop I've seen that's smaller & cuter at the store, the prices astronomically rise. I have an hp zd7000 laptop from work, and frankly don't need the monster size. I'd rather have a smaller screen & a right-side Windows key.

      Forget the Air, I'll wait for the bigger-screen size Asus EEE & save over a grand. That'll be nice to take to the coffee shop to check mail, surf the web, etc.

  4. Doesn't really matter by PaintyThePirate · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It doesn't really matter that it takes five minutes to open it with a screwdriver and switch the battery. The point is that people want to carry two or more batteries with them and be able to switch them when one goes dead, without requiring tools (or having to void the warrenty).

    1. Re:Doesn't really matter by wfolta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, if you've got to carry several spare batteries because you will be using your laptop for extended periods in areas that don't have power, it won't kill you to carry a few extra pounds in the form of a MacBook or MacBook Pro.

      Second, exactly where will you be that power is inaccessible? Coffee shop? Plane? Train? Boat? Car? Airport? This is the 2000's and power is accessible in almost all of these places.

      Third, this is a continuation of the complaints of years past where people lamented the disappearance of 5.25" floppies, then 3.5" floppies, etc. It's a wireless world now (and Apple has introduced other products to make this even more-so), and it's a world with power accessible in many places you would have never had it before. In fact, I can think of very few places that I've taken my laptop in the last couple of years where I had to run off of battery power by necessity. (Convenience, yes. I like the view here and there's no plug near, but necessity, no. There's a plug 30 feet away.)

      Fourth, I return to my first point. If you want great gas mileage, don't buy a Porsche. If you maximal cargo space, don't buy a Cooper. If you want acceleration, don't buy a Prius and then complain that you can't add Nitrous Oxide and a Supercharger. The proper tool for the proper task, so if you want to work with your data with a highly portable machine with a large (for its class) screen and total wireless capability, get an Air.

  5. convenient mail-in replacement by backslashdot · · Score: 5, Funny

    They also mention you can have it replaced for $129 by mailing it in. Ahh, that must be why Steve Jobs showed us that it fits in a manila envelope. How convenient!

  6. Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by manekineko2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this is missing the point behind the main thrust of the complaints. Most of the people complaining about it (at least here on Slashdot) have been the mobile road warriors who are worried about it running out of juice while traveling, rather than the battery wearing out after 2 years and needing replacement.

    It would appear at first that Apple's ultra thin and light missed its target market; after all, the main market for ultra thin and lights has traditionally been mobile road warriors. However, the lack of a swappable battery and of a wired LAN port (my company, and most I have been to, as well as many hotels I have stayed at, don't even have a wireless network option) make clear that mobile road warriors aren't the target market.

    The target market is in fact fashion conscious users, and students, and others whose requirements are a sexy form factor.

    I don't think that weight is necessarily even _that_ significant a factor here. Steve Jobs made clear if I recall correctly that he was willing to increase weight to decrease thickness. Thickness has no particular use other than sex appeal, footprint is actually more significant in terms of usefulness when it comes to size. In terms of weight, there have been other laptops that are significantly lighter yet retaining key features like a wired LAN and swappable battery. The entire point of this laptop is how thin and awesome looking it is.

    1. Re:Swapping batteries, not replacing is the point by kaan · · Score: 4, Informative

      $29 buys you a tiny usb dongle with an RJ-45 port for wired lan. It's listed on the accessories section of store.apple.com.

      As for the battery needs, I'm a business user and while I do agree that extended batteries are nice, I don't think it's the norm that you need 8 hours of battery life without a single power outlet nearby. Where are you using your computer for that long that you're not near an outlet once in a while? I typically need stretches of several hours, possibly as much as 4 hours from time to time, but never much more than that. The people I know who have the extended battery packs seem to use them just because they can, not because they need to.

      I think the integrated battery decision is possibly market-limiting to the users who really do (for some reason) need 8 hours of battery life, but not nearly as limiting as you suggest. Overall, a simpler design has positive aspects in that Apple can spend time making features that most of their target users will benefit from, they can also get the product to market faster and lower R&D costs building it.

      This reminds me a lot when the iPod first came out. Most people just couldn't say enough bad things about it. Too simple. No features. No replaceable battery. Too expensive. But the core comptency of the iPod hasn't really changed that much over the years: it lets you organize your music in a really simple way, and find any song fast. When it comes down to it, if you can't find your music easily, you're far less likely to use the device. And if you don't use it, every other "neato" feature is irrelevant because it'll be sitting in your desk drawer.

  7. Good news, everyone! by Mike1024 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think I'll have to wait for something with a bigger screen and a faster clock speed.

    I've got some good news for you then: You don't have to settle for a 13 inch screen and 1.8GHz processor at $2,099! For just $1,999.00 you can get a macbook pro with a 2.2GHz processor, the same RAM, a bigger hard disk, a bigger screen (still LED-backlit), free built-in gigabit ethernet, firewire, a decent graphics chip, you can avoid the glossy screen, RAM and HDD are user-upgradable - and you get all this for $100 less!

    Or is being thin a really big selling point for you?

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    1. Re:Good news, everyone! by phoenix321 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To repeat myself and others: "I think one of us is missing the point of the MacBook Air."

      Or in other words, using a car metaphor, of course: "Nobody will ever buy a Porsche, because it's got only two seats and a minimal trunk space. For 50'000 EUR *less*, you'd get four seats, a pickup-sized cargo bay AND as much horsepowers, so the Porsche is clearly bad value." :)

    2. Re:Good news, everyone! by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      Or you could get an Asus W7S for $1299. Faster CPU, faster GPU too.

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  8. Re:Not that easy by wootest · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because when they don't need to make a hatch for the battery, they could make it thinner.

    Seriously: the reason MacBook Air exists is because it's light, and because it's ridiculously thin. It's also interesting because of the trackpad and its multi-touch gestures, and because it has slightly different tradeoffs when compared to other subnotebooks which makes it a fairly unique product - MacBook Air has a faster CPU and normal-sized screen and keyboard, virtually every subnotebook has more features and ports in every other aspect, but piddly screens and keyboards.

    The reason MacBook Air exists is because it's a unique proposition in the market (per the above), not because it's really convenient to service yourself or fast or extensible. There are other products for that.

  9. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by russ1337 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm not sure your problem is a big one. There'll be aftermarket chargers and top-up devices coming out of belkins ears before you know it.

    I recall having been asked to REMOVE the battery from my laptop at airport security. THAT is something that will cause problems if you get the wrong TSA agent.

  10. If the MBA is missing something, read this first: by mailseth · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is the best explanation of why the MacBook Air doesn't have $yourFavoriteFeature I've read so far.
    http://wilshipley.com/blog/

  11. Horsepower? Road apples. by argent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or in other words, using a car metaphor, of course: "Nobody will ever buy a Porsche, because it's got only two seats and a minimal trunk space. For 50'000 EUR *less*, you'd get four seats, a pickup-sized cargo bay AND as much horsepowers, so the Porsche is clearly bad value." :)

    If a Porsche had the same handling characteristics as a pickup, it *would* be bad value.

    Unlike automobiles, making a laptop smaller doesn't increase its performance... it usually decreases it. The Macbook Air has a slower processor and hard disk (less horsepower) than the Macbook Pro, not the same.

    If you're going to use an automotive analogy, try and find one that makes the slightest bit of sense.

    1. Re:Horsepower? Road apples. by truesaer · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you're going to use an automotive analogy, try and find one that makes the slightest bit of sense.


      The point remains, the primary goal of the thin and light laptop segment is for them to be...well, thin and light. I'm not particularly an Apple fan but it is sort of pissing me off hearing people whine about not being able to efficiently simulate folding proteins on a laptop that is totally not intended for that kind of shit.


      If you're not a road warrior or a student who wants something to carry around for writing papers this is not the laptop for you and was never meant to be.

  12. They don't get it by Dasher42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a certain crowd that's criticizing the MacBook Air a lot for what it leaves off, and I don't think they get what you want with a subnotebook. I likewise wonder what they think of the EeePC.

    There's a diversity of needs in personal computing, and at one end you have the gamers who want highly upgradable components and to cram everything they can into a 600-watt beast with fans whining. Fine, okay, but my own preference is that I'd rather not share my living space with that. The next is the quiet low-profile desktop, and Apple's doing that kind of thing very recognizably with the iMac and Mac Mini. There are PC systems like the shuttle. Then there are desktop-replacement laptops with enough GPU for gamers and CPU for number crunching. And now there are subnotebooks. Cite whatever midpoints or extremities you want, these are the relevant ones.

    Most web/email/office use is simply best done on something like an iMac if you're stationary, or a laptop. Those of us who value quiet and energy efficiency will more and more choose this route. The real junkies among us have not one, but several machines. After a while, it gets annoying if they're all identical configurations. You don't want to pack a DVD and a monster peripheral set into your subnotebook - that's for basic needs on the go! Leave your movie collection at home, say, on a nice Kurobox or some other NAS. You don't need multiple DVD burners. You can get disk images off your NAS. Back it up with a Time Capsule or roll your own.

    I like my network of specialized machines. It makes choosing an operating system and hardware configuration a matter of the right choice for the job. I think most of the criticism of the MacBook Air comes from the 600W desktop beast crowd that has everything in one or two boxes. Well... they'll come around.

    1. Re:They don't get it by Sancho · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like the EEE, and I think that the Macbook Air is pointless, so I guess that I'm the kind of person that you're looking to get some answers from.

      The reason for my opinions on the matter stem largely from portability. The Macbook Air may only weigh 3lbs (certainly a technical innovation) but if you set it on top of a Macbook, it's going to be about the same size. Its length and width are almost identical. Only its height (thinness) and weight are less. To me, that doesn't make it significantly more portable than the Macbook.

      The EEE, on the other hand, is much smaller than the Macbook Air. For portability, that's a much bigger difference than simply being thinner. The dimensions (found on reghardware.co.uk) can be found here: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/01/16/asus_air_table_2.png

      I think that it adds insult to injury that the Macbook Air costs $600 more than the Macbook for almost the same dimensions, but much more power. If Apple had come out with a 10" notebook, I'd feel very differently, but I just can't call the Air a subnotebook or an ultraportable, and as such, I have to compare it to other, normal-sized notebooks. When you compare it against these, it's a horrible deal.

  13. Re:Can I get that through airport secuirty... by Dorceon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is it really that hard to use a site like SeatGuru to figure out in advance which seats have power, and choose only from those seats?

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  14. Ask Slashdot: Battery life with the SSD option? by G4from128k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm wondering about the battery life with the solid state drive option. Apple states that the machine gets 5 hours on a 37 W-hr battery -- suggesting an average power draw of about 7.4W. Cursory Googling suggests that SSD draw about half the power of a normal HD -- perhaps 0.5 W less. That suggests that the SSD version might get more than 5 1/2 hours. Of course the SSD option comes with a faster processor which might taketh away that extra battery life.

    But all this is just speculation and BOTEC. Has anyone got their mitts on an SSD MBA and tested battery life???

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    1. Re:Ask Slashdot: Battery life with the SSD option? by Sancho · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can actually configure an Air with either SSD, faster processor, or both. The SSD drive costs $999, and the faster processor costs $300.

  15. I think calling some people retarded by crovira · · Score: 4, Insightful

    neither makes your point nor endears you to the boss (who's daughter IS quite probably the target demographic for this little gem.)

    Just say its not for you because of (yadda, yadda, yadda), and suddenly, you find that not even you want to read your opinion.

    I'm not buying one because of my needs for something more substantial, but those are MY needs. They aren't for everybody.

    Apple
    got everybody to switch 5"1/4 disketes for 3"1/2 by giving them no option (and everybody predicted disaster,) them he
    got everybody to switch to USB by giving them no option (and everybody predicted disaster), then
    got rid of the diskette drive altogether by giving them no option (and everybody predicted disaster,)
    then he got everybody to switch to writable CDs (and now DVDs) by giving them no option.

    Now he's getting rid of CDs and DVDs altogether and moving storage into appliances and services; by giving them no option.

    Wake the fuck up.

    The machine YOU'RE using as a road warrior would still be taking up all of your desk space if it wasn't for Steve Jobs' sheer balls.

    The internet and the web weren't caused by INTERNAL influences.

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    1. Re:I think calling some people retarded by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Informative
      • 3"1/2 inch diskettes got their breakthrough with the IBM PS/2. Apple had nothing to do with it.
      • I give you USB... Apple pushed it hard, but screwed Firewire over by pushing USB too hard.
      • Diskette drives are still useful and often a pain in PC machines if they are not there.
      • Writeable CD and writeable DVD had nothing to do with Apple. I wrote CD's in 1995. It cost a lot of money, but everyone wanted one. I was simply an early adopter.
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  16. Re:Nibbled to death by ducks... by linuxwolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe you should have tried reading the "What's in the box" section:

    • Micro-DVI to DVI adapter
    • Micro-DVI to VGA adapter

    That lets you connect an Off-the-shelf MacBook Air to anything you can connect an Off-the-shelf MacBook Pro.

    I'm not saying you won't get nibbled to death in other places (*cough* iTunes rentals *cough*), but this isn't one of them.

  17. Re:Lame? by cyfer2000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    And what's the chance that he thinks a Nomad is better?

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  18. There are probably going to be battery options... by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's pretty simple, really. The magnetic charge port. Apple can offer a battery pack that recharges the Air's battery, extends operating time, etc. It would be just like the AC power supply except it would run off of DC. It could still run with typical laptop batteries (Li-ion and such) for high power densities but it also wouldn't need to be some oddball configuration that drives up manufacturing costs. It could be a basic brick more or less.

    The Air has a power port. Getting extra run time when on aircraft without power plugs, etc, is nothing more than supplying power to the power port.

    Efficiencies also depend on how Apple configured the power port. With just a little forethought, they could have made it where a portable power pack (i.e. auxiliary battery) just runs the Air itself and doesn't recharge the onboard battery. That would be more efficient than accepting charging efficiency losses and the only down side would be having to carry an assembly with cord instead of just an extra battery. A fairly acceptable compromise to trying to make removable batteries in such a tight form factor.

  19. You're mixing up software and hardware... by argent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lets look at what else it doesn't come with: anything and everything that will keep you tied to your desk.

    The Macbook Air would tie me to my desk more surely than my Macbook Pro does. All that wireless stuff you're talking about? That's software. Having to dangle a dongle drive off my leg when I'm checking out a CD version of a presentation while I'm sitting on a bench in a conference center, wishing I was back at my desk to I could USE that wireless connection, that's hardware.

  20. other whiner stoppers by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1) there's an adapter for airline seat jacks so you don't need that second battery
    2) theres a Ethernet jack dongle for the USB so you can plug it to a hard line
    3) there's a mini multiple USB hub so you can put in plenty of things
    4) it has blue tooth (and wifi N) built in so your blue tooth mouse or pointer does not need a jack.
    5) it's gotta honk'in large cache so the 4800 rpm disk is not going to be that big a drag (afterall the macbooks and mac mini are only 5400 rpm and have smaller caches)

    It's not a supercharged photoshop engine given the slower disk and lower end graphics and 13.3 inch screen of course. That's what the8 cpu macpro is for.

    But it's two pounds less than a macbook and you don't need an oversized breifcase or book bag to take it a along. I could see this as a lot easier to schlep around at conferences than may macbook pro. And with it's ultra-fast wifi it's gonna be a lot easier to keep synched than the usual cable clumsiness.

    The 13.3 inch screen is also a much nicer form factor than the 15 or 17 for airplane seats. PLus it's a wide screen not a SVGA shaped screen to it's not as tall. And it has a back lit KB that the macbook lacks.

    Basically the mac book is for college kids and teachers. The air is for bussinessmen and conference goers and people who like aesthitics in the house.

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  21. because if you can run a macbook for several hours by thegnu · · Score: 2, Funny

    imagine how many energies must be just waiting to fly violently out of that battery at high speeds, and damage plane parts. those damn energies.

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  22. Ok but dongles start to defeat the purpose by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So you get one for wired network. Ok, then what about USB, as there's only 1 port? Ok so another for that. And optical media? Ok so another for that. Well now that small, light, elegant, laptop you bought isn't so light, isn't so small and certainly isn't so elegant. I have an older tablet that my work lets me use that is like that and it sucks. The tablet itself isn't bad, but you have a bag full of crap to go with it, since nothing is included.

    So that's the problem here for the road warrior market. The "well just buy X accessory" really defeats the purpose of having a small laptop. You lose your weight and size advantage there, not to mention that it is a much bigger pain to carry a bunch of separate dongles than it is to carry a slightly larger laptop that has everything in it.

    We'll have to see how it does, but trying to explain away all complains by "just buy an accessory" doesn't really work. Remember that Sony has a whole lineup of sleek small laptops out there. Many of them include just about damn everything (wired lan, USB, firewire, WiFi, bluetooth, cellular net, DVD, etc). Yes, they are a bit thicker and a bit heavier (though they have lighter ones that still include most things other than an optical drive) but that doesn't mean they aren't a consideration. While people like light, it isn't a case of "Well that laptop is nice, but it is 0.5 pounds more than this other one so I can't possibly buy it."

    1. Re:Ok but dongles start to defeat the purpose by shmlco · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd just like to say that most of the your logic here is misplaced. For example, let's say I need a power adaptor at work.

      Well, instead of carrying one back and forth all of the time and digging under the desk every day, I simply bought one and left it at work. Problem solved. So if I should need an ethernet connector to get on the office LAN, I'd probably just do the same thing: buy one and leave it connected to the LAN.

      For the external drive, I'd probably leave it at home. I mean, how often do you really need to install new software when you're on the road? And software that isn't available by download? Besides, there's always Remote Disk. So if someone hands me a disk I'll just run the utility on their machine.

      USB ports? Same home/office situation applies here for most cases. Plug multiple devices into port. Get home, plug single port into Air. And there's also AirPort Express. Back when my main machine was a 17" MBP, my printer and speakers were all plugged into an Express. My mouse was Bluetooth. A shared server handled extra drives. As such, my only physical connection was a power cable.

      As SJ says, our future is increasingly wireless.

      One final thought. Dongles, cables, drives, and whatnot can easily go into checked baggage, leaving you with a much lighter machine in your briefcase or backpack.

      It's easy to simply list problems and disaster worst-case scenarios. Here, however, it should have been equally simple to have given each case more than five seconds of thought and found solutions to each problem. As you said, "we'll have to see how it does."

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  23. Best Laptop for Airtravel by Kagato · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's about the power supply. More and more airlines have in sear power in Coach. The power supply in the current MacBook and MacBook Pro draw too much power. They trip the breaker on the seat. The Air draws almost half as much as the others and will work with every airline power system out there.

    Second, the TSA keeps restricting extra batteries. Recently Spare LiON's were banned from checked luggage. There is no way to know if the same won't be applied to carry on.

    From that standpoint, a laptop that works with Airline power seems more important than being able to change the batteries.

  24. Bring the retro back! by freaker_TuC · · Score: 2, Funny

    What I never understood is why they made them backgrounds so white; my eyes are overexposured almost continuesly. I got to turn all the backgrounds black again to have that retro style back. Some users have their backgrounds set to hi-contrasting colors ready to blow off your head into atleast 216 pieces (the amount of webcolors).

    I'd say, let's have a strike all of us, bring back the retro! Bring back the 7 to 9" screens! I want my black backgrounds back! Back to the old days!
    Boycott VGA! ... now let me continue look to my porn in EGA .. it's the sadomachochistic side inside of me ;)

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  25. Re:There are probably going to be battery options. by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2, Informative

    Clearly you are right, but it is odd that Apple didn't announce that product at launch to just shut people up. Since Apple doesn't license the mag-safe connector to anybody, it makes it much harder to get a third-party battery pack.

  26. dell or gateway? by Phantom+of+the+Opera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair, you'd have to say 'Dell' or 'Gateway'. There would be no outcry and name calling if this was about something they did or did not do.

    I think your original point is how much Apple is adored and how much Microsoft is loathed, and that adoration or loathing remains resistant to logic.

    Even with that, Microsoft's long history caused people to loath it. It's annoyed people so many times that even if it is nice once, people are not going to change their minds about it. People would have to perceive a fundamental change of Microsoft and a history of quality before it stops being a whipping boy.

  27. The Air is smaller by shmlco · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Air is about 2" wider than the 12" PowerBook, but almost the same depth... and then there's the thickness (thinness?). Do the math, and you'll see that the Air is about 52 cubic inches in volume, while your "smaller" PowerBook comes in at a whopping 110 cubic inches.

    Or to put it another way, the Air is 50% smaller than the PowerBook. Important when putting it into a briefcase or backpack. Heck, it's even 20% smaller than the Asus Eee.

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  28. Re:There are probably going to be battery options. by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have similar batteries for an old PowerBook 100 series I have. They are, by far, the most, heavy, clunky and uncomfortable laptop accessory one could carry around with them. Almost like carrying a second laptop.

    In addition, these batteries connect to the laptop through the power adapter port on the machine. In the event you ever drain your internal battery before using such a beast, you risk losing all of your work if you accidentally bump the plug. (Something one could easily do in a crowded area.)

    Aside from that, you'd probably have fun trying to get one of these past the TSA checkpoint at an airport. You'd have to figure out how to explain to them why you have a carry-on with wires sticking out of it with no discernible features. Even the prospect of an internal battery replacement would fail. Even if you somehow got a torx screwdriver past TSA, good luck trying to surreptitiously swap out the battery when you have to open up your computer down to its circuitry. You'd be lucky if the attempt didn't end up grounding your flight and get you flagged as a terror suspect for attempting to "construct a bomb" midflight.

    Most likely, the MBA will likely go down in history as the least travel-friendly laptop ever made... at least as far as post 9/11 devices go.

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