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Use Your Cellphone as a 3D Mouse
Roland Piquepaille writes "In recent years, we've started to use our cellphones not only for placing calls or exchanging messages. Now, we take pictures, read our e-mails, listen to music or watch TV. But, according to New Scientist, UK researchers are going further with a prototype software that turns your cellphone into a 3-D mouse. The phone is connected to your computer via Bluetooth. And you control the image on the screen by rotating or moving your phone. As says one of the researchers, 'it feels like a much more natural way to interact and exchange data.' The technology might first be used in shopping malls to buy movie tickets or to interact with advertising displays."
So will I soon be able to have a Minority-Report-like interface for my computer?
Great, so I get to wait longer in line while each person ahead of me tries to sync up and use their bluetooth phone. This is the kind of stuff touch-screen were made for.
What we have here is a solution looking for a problem.
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....Why?
What has changed in the three years and eight months since this story?
I have said it before, and i will say it again:
This type of interface is completely impractical, except for a few high specialized applications (like architecture).
The problem with things like this is that your arm gets tired after using it for a few minutes. The great thing about a mouse is that you can take your hand off of it and it stays in the same place. I know that personally, I use the arrow and tab keys for navigation WAY more than i use my mouse.
Mice work really really great because it is a 2D interface to a 2D environment.
I would rather see grant money pumped into multi-touch than stuff like this.....its cool, its just not going to replace your mouse anytime soon.
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I had a go at doing this a while ago using AR toolkit plus which uses AR Tags as a reference point to send the mouse data to the computer. I never really did get the camera filter working so I abandoned it. I did ask Daniel Wagner (the lead guy on artoolkit plus) for the DSVideoCE component source, which is a CE directshow filter, but he replied that it wasn't possible to release it. CE is a pain in the backside so I gave up. It worked pretty well from a video file I pre-recorded, so I reckon it would have worked well.
Pretty much everything about artoolkit plus worked out of the box, and the bluetooth code to emulate a mouse was pretty simple. if someone wants to give something like this article a bash, I would start with something like this.
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Still, I imagine there are people out there willing to find one more excuse to shake their cell phones around, people with money.
WE hear almost monthly how this or that will make it so we can buy movie tickets with our cellphones. grand experiments have been done all over the world to do this and every single one fails.
I suggest they do something different, start with forcing all financial institutions to adopt a single standard for electronic payment and force them to accept it without fees or charges.
THEN let's do the utopian buy everything with our cellphones trick. Hell it's been in place in europe in some places for almost 5 years now (German bus line, you pay your bus fare by waving your cellphone near the pay terminal)
I'm tired of the wheel being reinvented monthly while nobody is inventing roads.
Start with how to force banks to quit being assholes and create a universal OPEN electronic payment system that has ZERO cost.
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Interacting with ticket machines and other public terminals? Think i'll stick to the dedicated interfaces they will continue to provide: more efficiet and more secure.
Interacting with video advertising displays? Gee, I can't wait.
Using my handset to interact with public devices will only be cool when I can stop the 07:43 train from taking off without me at Clapham Junction and when I can disable that stereo system the five punks in the Camaro Convertible have blasting my head off at the traffic lights. (Perhaps you can do this one already?)
What you want is simply to interact with your handset which will replicate the public interface/display on its screen. I.e. Multiple users simultaneously accessing a terminal display and no more queues. Little need to control the external display except as a gimmick.
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If you can't wait for the 3D cellphone mouse. Here are some links to selfmade 3D mouse pointer devices. BTW: at least one of these guides has been on ./ already.
The amount of things that one can do with a cell phone is nothing short of amazing. And the end is nowhere near in sight yet: Manufacturers keep coming up with ever more creative, ingenious applications for the cell phone. Indeed, the only thing we can be positive about is that the cell phone service will remain overpriced, unreliable and limited in its coverage, while the sound quality will remain disappointingly awful. Well, at the very least we will be able to use it as a 3D mouse.
But you can't right click.
If you haven't made a developer cry, you've wasted a day.
... and create a universal OPEN electronic payment system that has ZERO cost.Because it costs the bank something to set up/maintain the electronic payment system, it is not possible to have a zero cost system. (see TANSTAAFL principle) However, a standardized system with standardized (reasonable) payments would certainly go a long way in the direction the parent poster intends.
It isn't a dream, it's a nightmare awaiting its implementation to reality. Some of the tendrils are already here and growing. All it needs to become a full blown cancer is more "simplicity".
Almost complete duplicate of the Wiimote in a cell phone. Bluetooth connection, interacting with objects and whatnot.
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An electronic payment system that has ZERO cost is impossible. I guess you probably mean one where retailers build the cost of it into their business and banks charge retailers rather than bank customers, but that still has a cost, just not a direct consumer cost.
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>Because it costs the bank something to set up/maintain the electronic payment system, it is not possible to have a zero cost system.
So, your bank pays a certain fee to the central organization dealing with these transactions per transaction you make. Your bank then chooses to bill you this fee, or more, or less, or roll it into your current bank fees. Done.
It's no different than interac is now, except less BS to deal with.
Every 3D input device created over the last 15 years has failed without exception. They were either too expensive (datagloves for VR, various space navigator gizmos for CAD), or too crappy to be of any use (P5 glove?), or died because of lack of driver/software support.
So if anyone wants to create a 3D input device that actually gets used by more than 5 people a) design it so it actually works well b) don't overprice it c) don't count on game or software companies to "support" it unless you create a really easy way for software to interface with your device.
As for cellphones being used as a 3D wand, that sounds like a marketing gimmick to me, and a stupid one at that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0lz35Boe_I
uses the accelerometer and bluetooth.
I heard Nintendo made this thing they call a Wii...
"Start with how to force banks to quit being assholes and create a universal OPEN electronic payment system that has ZERO cost."
It's the perverse incentives of market economies that give rise to this kind of crap and why the banking industry needs to be regulated.
In canada Pay day loan shops (i.e. legal loan sharking) is quite the business I wish government would shut it down, these parasites do not add anything to the economy.
Haha but the cellphone has done one thing that the OLPC project has never done. Bring a low cost computer to everyone.* The fact that it can be all those other things AND still be cost effective is so much the better.
*From third-world countries to homeless people.
Does anyone else find it ironic that they want you to buy your movie tickets with your cell phone and then don't want you to bring your cell phone into the theater?
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What was wrong with touch screens again?
How is this faster?
How is this any different from using your finger to touch the display?
Are touch screens so expensive that we need to find a free alternative to use normal LCDs instead?
I read this thinking it was going to be another Johnny Lee demonstration video. Thanks for nothing!
...they want their wiimote back!
Thank god. I hate my current 1D mouse. And I can hardly wrap my mind around my 5D mouse.
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We have those in the US, too. I can't figure out what they add to the economy, but I also can't figure out how they manage to get any customers.
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May I present the exception: SpaceNavigator. It is nothing like that waving around stuff but a simple knob with sensors detecting the force you apply. I got one some weeks ago and haven't had time to play with it a lot, but even so after some minutes it started to get quite intuitive.
Just like that, no other input needed? Suppose someone told you "let's meet by the bus terminal". You are just standing there, waiting. Will the phone in your pocket do the kindness to pay for everyone that comes by, without you realizing it?
They are definitely bottom feeders. The problem with shutting them down is that it ends up pushing desperate people to the black market alternative -- loan sharks and so on.
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With a normal mouse you may get RSI, but with a cellphone mouse you may get cancer from radiation too. How good!
The researchers forgot to mention the obvious applications of a 3D cellphone mouse on the new academic field of teledildonics. Too bad, they just lost a honorary PhD in Multidimensional Advanced Cellular Teledildonics. But other people will surely develop the new science quite soon. It won't be long until discussions such as this become increasingly common in university campuses and boring corporate meetings:
I frequently lay my cellphone next to my keyboard. Then, when I want to use the mouse, I'll accidentally grab the phone instead. After wasting a few cycles wondering why the cursor isn't responding, I look at my hand, place the cell phone a bit father from the keyboard, and grab the real mouse. It's only embarrassing if someone is looking over my shoulder.
Nothing for 6-digit uids?
Start with how to force banks to quit being assholes and create a universal OPEN electronic payment system that has ZERO cost.
How are they supposed to make money? Who pays for fraud? Who pays for maintenance of the electronic infrastructure? Customer support?
Yeah... those VLT machines in use since the 80's are SO UNRELIABLE. They go down at least once every 10 years!
WTF are you smoking?