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Apple QuickTime DRM Disables Video Editing Apps

An anonymous reader writes "According to numerous posts on Apple's discussion forums (several threads of which have been deleted by Apple), as well as a number of popular video editing blogs, Apple's recent QT 7.4 update does more than just enable iTunes video rentals — it also disables Adobe's professional After Effects video editing software. Attempting to render video files after the update results in a DRM permissions error. Unfortunately, it is not possible to roll back to a previous version of QT without doing a full OSX reinstall. Previous QT updates have also been known to have severe issues with pro video editing apps."

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  1. The answer is quite simple actually: by Qbertino · · Score: 4, Informative

    Don't use Quicktime.

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    1. Re:The answer is quite simple actually: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      He's modded as Troll because QuickTime is the media layer foundation of video editing apps on OS X. As much as you might despise the QuickTime Player application (and with good reason), there's a whole lot more to QuickTime than just that. Simply "not using" it isn't an option.

    2. Re:The answer is quite simple actually: by arth1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll never buy another Sony product again. Rootkits, DRM, Blu-Ray, MinDisc, EVIL.

      Oh, wait, this is Apple. Thats cool then, I like them.

      No, you're more correct than you think. Sony uses Quicktime for quite a few of their products, and it has bit customers hard. As an example, Sony CLIE Multimedia PDAs require Quicktime no newer than 6.5.2 to be installed on the desktop in order to convert movies that can be viewed on the CLIE. However, Sony PSP (Playstation Portable) requires Quicktime 7 or newer to be installed on the desktop.
      Due to Apple's infinite wisdom, Quicktime is neither forwards nor backwards compatible with itself, and neither can you have both installed on the same OS. In other words, you can't convert movies that work on both devices without having two machines, dual boot or virtualization software -- in other words, more than one Windows license.

      And if you install iTunes, it will silently replace Quicktime with a newer version, without even giving you an option. Which breaks video conversion with Sony Image Converter. Sony is aware of it, but from what I've heard, Apple demands that Sony ponies up extra licensing fees for all existing devices if Sony are to support the newer format produced by the Quicktime codec, and refuses to provide backwards compatibility (i.e. letting the newer encoder produce movies playable with the old decoder). That's quite unreasonable, but not unexpected from Apple.
      Lock-in and paying extra for upgrades is S.O.P. for Apple. Why do people like them again?
  2. As always by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Informative

    Never upgrade a production box without first upgrading on a test system. And NEVER NEVER upgrade mid project. If you're an individual and not a post production facility, test the upgrade on a separate partition or physical volume.

    Or wait until everyone else gets the kinks worked out.

    This is all common sense, and it's really not that hard. But you'd be surprised at the number of otherwise intelligent people that do stupid shit like upgrading a key component in the middle of a project. And if you absolutely must, do it on a cloned volume with backed up data.

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    1. Re:As always by Shadow-isoHunt · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unless there is a reason to update. Quicktime has a horrible record of security. As of right now, see CVE-2008-0036, CVE-2008-0033, and CVE-2008-0032.

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  3. QT isn't (just) a media player by RJabelman · · Score: 5, Informative

    Quicktime is in fact Mac OS's Audio and Video subsystem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicktime#QuickTime_framework

    It's much more likely that updates to the underlying API are what's breaking After Effects etc, than updates to the media player bit.

  4. Apple does this all the time by Stele · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple is notorious for stuff like this. They have all sorts of shared components (like QuickTime, FxPlug, etc) that they update independently from each other. I develop for Final Cut Pro and Motion, and the last time I installed a beta for them, they installed a component which broke QuickTime. Now I can't launch the QuickTime player, iTunes, iMovie, or any other app that relies on certain QuickTime codecs, without them crashing immediately. Recent updates to QuickTime haven't fixed the problem either. And of course you can't uninstall anything without reinstalling the OS. Look around - there are plenty of people asking for the "Quicktime deinstaller" which does exist but has its own problems.

    Between stuff like this and having to essentially port my code every time they release a new version of OS X, and the constant switching between processor architectures, APIs, UI design requirements, etc. all I can say is it REALLY sucks being a Mac developer.

  5. It is possible to roll back by blootsvoets · · Score: 5, Informative

    Full discussion on http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1342677&start=30&tstart=0, which makes the summary quite lame. The fact that subtitles also broke with QT 7.4 does say something though..

  6. Re:Let me get this straight.. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually. Yes you can. It's not as simple as a quick "Roll Back this install" but by no means is it as impossible to revert as some programs in XP.

    Step 1: Download 7.3.1 for what ever version of OSX you're using. http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/
    Step 2: Copy the installer package to the desktop.
    Step 3: Right click and "Show Package Contents", open "Contents"
    Step 4: Open "QuickTime_Leopard.dist" in a text editor (Not sure what it is called in other versions.
    Step 5: Scroll down to "newerQuickTimePresent()" (All Apple pre and postflight scripts are just that, scripts. You can write them in bash, perl, ruby, python, php, etc.)
    Step 6: Change "return false" to "return true". Or Comment it out, etc
    Step 7: Install.

  7. It's not vendor lockin by alexhmit01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Quicktime is Apple's underlying media subsystem. It's not bolted on. The Quicktime Player is bolted on to wrap the functions and play videos. The Quicktime Pro program that they sell enables editing. There is no lock-in, because anyone can provide a media layer, and anyone can access Quicktime. Even Realbasic Apps can bundle Quicktime and do whatever they want. You could write your own media player with it's own DRM and send content to Quicktime (although hackers would grab the unencrypted layer inside of Quicktime).

    There should be a way to roll-back the Quicktime update, because the Package should limit changes to the Quicktime Framework and Quicktime Player apps, but I don't know that there isn't Quicktime code everywhere. It should still exist, but it's not a media player, and it's not vendor lockin.

    MS gets nailed for Vendor lock-in for bundling not core programs and not letting them be removed. On a Mac, if I don't want Safari, Quicktime Player, iTunes, etc., I just drag the Application to the trash and I never see it again. I still have the underlying OS Components of WebKit (I think that it's an OS Level Framework now) and Quicktime, but I don't have the applications. Microsoft REFUSED to allow the deletion of IE/WMP, and when forced by the courts to provide a version without them, removed the underlying OS components to break Windows.

    That's why MS's bundling behavior was problematic, and Apples not so much. Apple lets you remove applications you want without hosing the OS. MS refused to let you remove the application without removing the OS Components, and you NEED media capability even if you don't want WMP, and you NEED the HTML component, because many applications use it once you make it a standard OS Component.

  8. Re:That's why we don't use Quicktime... by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 3, Informative

    Just to clarify: It's not the quicktime player that is the issue, it's the quicktime subsystem that is integral to AfterEffects and other pro video applications. Substituting VLC will not solve this. The issue really is much more serious. Bad fuck up on Apple's part. However, I don't think this is really going to bother most video professionals, because they will have waited to upgrade (to see what potential problems might crop up), or they're testing on non-production boxes.

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  9. Re:Then Tell Apple to break it out.. by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're missing the point. There's this thing called the Quicktime Player. That's not at issue here.

    What is at issue is this other thing called Quicktime. It's a technology that provides video services for OS X and applications. Applications such as AfterEffects, Final Cut Pro, etc. and iTunes. A change in this subsystem to support a new feature in iTunes has fucked up support for AfterEffects. Apple fucked up, no doubt about it. But the sky isn't falling and this is not even comparable to MS embedding a browser in their OS to kill Netscape. Not even close.

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  10. Re:What has this got to do with DRM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Okay, 60 seconds reading the referenced link in the articles would show that it is NOT a permissions problem that can be fixed with CHMOD. The files in question will open fine with the iTunes player but not with QT.
    I see the Apple happy moderators choose the more convenient and not the real "insightful" route of modding you up in defense of Apple instead of actually reading about the problem. Moderator thinking, "Oh this person must be right, there is no way Apple could have messed this up."

    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1342677&start=30&tstart=0

  11. A similar thing happened with AE 5 and Tiger by StreetStealth · · Score: 3, Informative

    I learned this lesson well in 2005 when I gleefully preordered and upgraded to Tiger only to find out that After Effects 5's non-standard use of Quicktime APIs resulted in highly unstable audio with the new version of QT that came with the OS. Just scrubbing video back and forth inside the app would produce Quicktime errors, and the only way to get a complete render was to render without audio and add the soundtrack in afterward.

    I don't trust Adobe or Apple to be in sync on this stuff.

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  12. Re:Does this suprise anyone? by MacColossus · · Score: 5, Informative
  13. Re:Informative? NOT by NMerriam · · Score: 3, Informative

    The choice is up to the user to set it the way they want it to work. There is no such thing as a MS update that automatically installs


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