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Recount Proves No Fraud In NH Primary
murdocj writes "You can take off those tinfoil hats, because the recount results of the NH Primary are in, and the hand count matches the machine count. Everyone can now move on to the conspiracy around the Texas flying saucer. In fact, only 40% of the vote was recounted (that's all that Dennis Kucinich was willing to pay for), but that 40% shows that the machine and hand counts match up nicely. As was pointed out when this 'story' broke, areas that have machine counting tend to have different demographics than hand-counted areas, and thus a difference in voting patterns."
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Recount Proves No Fraud
Sure, or maybe everybody frauded in a self canceling way.
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You just got troll'd!
If there is uncertainty, why does anyone (voters or the candidates) have to (directly) pay for the recount?
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
I think it only proves there's no fraud detectable by recount.
Naturally, the recounts also "proved" there was no fraud in Florida 2000... and "proved" it again in Ohio 2004... what did you expect they'd "prove" in 2008?
Given the discrepancy, it was a good idea to check.
SSIA
for example, the machine-counted areas with discrepancies are near the Massachusetts border, where massholes can drive over, register as a new hampshire vote, vote for Hillary Clinton, then go back home. The fraud wasn't in the counting, it was in the voting. Verify the addresses of recently registered voters and you'll find your fraud.
Those are only the democratic recounts. Also, any republican counts are write-ins. They're not all done yet.
First of all, the Republican ballots haven't been counted yet. Secondly, Kucinich ran out of money so not all of the ballots on the Democratic side were counted. Not only that, but the chain of custody for the ballots was severely lacking. It would be alomst impossible to prove fraud when you can't fully account for where the ballots were and everyone who had custody of them. There were lots of discrepencies in the diebold counted places. Simply check out http://www.blackboxvoting.org/ and http://www.bradblog.com/ and you'll see how incredibly bad NH was.
The Republican ballots won't even have started to be counted for a few days. More money was donated to the 3rd party candidate to make the recount (mostly Ron Paul supporters through the Granny Warriors). There were at least two cities in NH that reported 0 votes for Ron Paul, then magically found them the next day when it was pointed out to them that people voted for him there (all by accident, of course).
The fact that the diebold ballots were so far off is very troubling, considering they make ATM's which don't miss a penny and are virtually fraud proof (not to mention there is a paper trail). LHS Associates, who counted 81% of the votes in NH also have an executive who was convicted of narcotics trafficking. It was also LHS Associates who handled a lot of the ballots after the voting was done. They can't use the Fry defense "Don't blame me, I'm a non-voting felon." They're vote counting felons.
Anyone who gets their votes counted through a Diebold machine should get stickers saying "I think I voted."
If you have something that you dont want anyone to know, maybe you shouldnt be doing it in the first place -Eric Schmidt
This particular recount was requested by a democrat and was targetted to demo ballots.
Ron Paul never claimed there was a NH problem. They released a statement that claimed their counts and internal polls jibed with the reported results and that any discrepencies were innocent.
Fixed that for ya'.
Logic says that one can never prove a negative, and here in conspiracy land we OBEY the laws of logic.
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
They "lost" the diebold memory cards, and there's already documentation of different precincts with highly strange results. And the secstate there stated kucinich was satisfied with the results, even though in a letter to him he clearly says he wasn't, and you can find the letter and the couinbter statements online to see that. The secstate there right off the bat looks to be lying. The system is *rigged*, and it isn't just in New Hampshire either. Some ballot boxes-used freaking cardboard boxes used to transport the ballots for the recount-showed evidence of being compromised, by being cut open during transit someplace, even the so called "seals" were peel and stick phony baloney "seals", not even any sort of permanent tape. That right there is enough to demand a completely new election if you ask me.
The submitter is wrong,completely 100% full of crap, hasn't been paying enough attention during the past week, can't look at evidence and add it up, or is part of a disinfo campaign by parroting some stooge coverup BS. The published results as they are up there now appear to have been tampered with, and with the memory cards "lost" there is NO WAY to run a real recount because there is nothing verifiable to compare them to, and no way to verify if there was any tampering during the election or pre election or right after the election. In short, this recount is a dog and pony show designed on purpose to be a propaganda fake out, to make it "look" like they are doing it. And even if the memory cards show up, the chain of custody was completely compromised so you would have no way of verifying if what is on them was tampered with or not, and losing them is a clear cut violation of election laws. That guy needs to be impeached / prosecuted just over that.
I also forgot to add that the so called seals on the boxes were more like post it notes. You could take them off and put them back on and no one would ever notice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM
This video demonstrates how great the chain of custody was in NH. This basically proves that fraud could have easily happened and been undetectable.
If you have something that you dont want anyone to know, maybe you shouldnt be doing it in the first place -Eric Schmidt
According to the Hillsborough County recount, which was completed, there is now a total of 46 votes less than originally counted. I can see how votes could be missed or misread and therefore not counted, but how does one actually end up with less votes?
Also, according to the NH Secretary of State, the Republican primary recount was scheduled to start yesterday, yet they've had recounted Republican votes for Hillsborough County posted on their website for almost a week now.
Sigs are for suckers.
Why is this important? One reason is because there is a demographic difference between hand-counted and machine-counted areas, so if you're going to disenfranchise 1% of the population in machine-counted areas, even if it's done entirely at random, that reduces the elective power of the demographic in those areas, which can tip a close election. Besides, isn't every vote supposed to be counted? Isn't that why you go and vote, because you believe that your vote will be counted? How many voters wouldn't bother if they knew it was some sort of lottery?
Another point: a partial recount will never disclose a fraud if the people choosing the areas to be recounted are also the people behind the fraud. They will simply leave the areas where the fraud took place until last, secure in the knowledge that the recount sponsor's finances or resolve will run out before the recount gets that far. And it certainly was the case that Kucinich couldn't specify exactly what was recounted. His requests for a tally of the uncast ballot papers, for instance, fell on deaf ears. So what happened to those uncast ballots? Did they get cast after all?
when all the remaining candidates are clones of each other. The war will go on. The patriot act, DMCA, etc aren't going anywhere. Censorship of the internet and tracking will continue to increase. You all can be expected to need your national ID card or an electronic bracelet or implant or tattoo if you want to leave the house. All hope of any change in course is lost until at least 2012. And if the present power structure comes under any real threat, you can bet that there will be no elections then.
What?
Good, now we found a way to show that an election hasn't been rigged. Shouldn't we be doing this everywhere? That way if the machine is rigged, the hand count will show it. If the hand count is rigged, the machine count will show it. It's better than having a single point of failure.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM
"This basically proves that fraud could have easily happened and been undetectable."
Absolutely. In exactly the same way, your posts prove you're a fucking idiot.
If you don't know WHY you're an idiot, go back and examine your post. It describes quite clearly why you're too fucking ignorant of this process to have an informed opinion.
And yet, you share your demonstrably ignorant opinion as though it was worth listening to...
The republican count is the one I'm interested in. Like the districts where Ron Paul got 0 votes, but multiple people report having voted for him. Good luck trying to explain that.
Even if it wasn't intentional fraud, I'm scared of a system where less-popular candidates are hurt. If a major candidate loses 100 votes, it might not even be statistically significant (unless it's a really close race). If a grassroots candidate loses 100 votes and shows up as "0", the election is broadcasting to all that everybody wanted one of the majority candidates to win. Way to maintain the status quo, guys.
As many other people have noted, this recount, for a wide variety of reasons, doesn't "prove no fraud" here. I'd like to add one other factor that can't be covered by any recount: people voting in precincts where they aren't eligible to vote.
Failing to count one person's vote disenfranchises that one person completely. Allowing someone to vote where/when they aren't legally supposed to disenfranchises all of us by a little bit each.
I thought it was a government conspiracy or something, guess not :(
Although you never know, in a year someone could cone forward and say it's a lie...
I'm baffled that so many citizen commentators are eager to conclusively report no malfeasance in the NH primary. As a voter, I'd assume the bias of your average citizen blogger would favor transparent and closely scrutinized treatment of the recount process - not a burning desire to proclaim "All Clear!" well ahead of any reasonable period for investigation.
No, seriously, what is the incentive?
Might want to look at the recount table again:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5598
(hint: scroll to the bottom of the article)
Does the OP's "nothing to see here, move along" conclusion consider evidential violation of federal voting law vis. failure by of the NH SoS to secure machine memory cards post-election?
I realize ragging on the election system in the US, any part of it really, is popular, but this argument - in and of itself - is completely ludicrous.
"we insist on in other countries.."
Not in any WESTERN country. I can't think of a single Western, "1st world", country that has UN oversight of its elections.... and, to be honest, I can't think of a single one that would even remotely consider it.
Now, you *could* argue that the US system is so utterly broken or whatnot that UN oversight is required, but the "we insist on it in other countries" argument is just stupid.
Get over it. Ron Paul lost. He will continue to lose, because his ideas don't appeal to the majority of Americans.
Seriously? I'll bet you five dollars a majority of Americans have no clue what Ron Paul's ideas are.
Political activists, maybe, but even then > 50% is hard to believe. At least among the people I talk to, 10% have even looked at his website or heard about his policy ideas. Most of them know he's a gadfly, a nut, and a weirdo, though.
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Here is one of the more incredible accounts.
I guess maybe punchscan has it right...
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There is a voter fraud watchdog group that has done in depth investigation and created a documentary (http://cre8ive-design.net/blog/?cat=7) that proves that the way the recounts are performed are meaningless, unless all the votes are counted. Election officials pre-sort ballots by candidate, choose the quantity of ballots for each candidate that supports the official numbers, and provides the pre-selected ballots to the vote re-counters. This was admitted on tape by the election officials. This documentary also contains other evidence that captures on tape election official discarding actual signed poll tapes (from the machines), and when compared to the "officially released numbers" from the same machines, the numbers never match. Further, this documentary conclusively shows how easy it is to hack and manipulate the voting machines and explains fairly convincingly why there are so many anomalies and why Ron Paul never gets a fair shake in the votes. WAKE UP AMERICA!
The recount showed massive errors, at least 3 precincts had 10%+ error rates.
Would you store money in card board boxes in a closet in town hall and then let two guys named Gimpy and Bob drive around in a van picking them all up, then store the ballots in a big room where a bunch of people work?
No.
Ballots should be stored in tamper resistant ballot bags under triple lock with 3 different people having the keys to each lock. The tamper resistant bags should be sealed with tamper proof serial number seals and those serial numbers recorded for that bag. The bags should also be serialized and that number recorded as well. All this information should be required to be put on the ballot sign off sheet at the close of the polling.
When transported they should still be under three locks with not all the keys available in the vehicle so that nothing screwy happens to the ballots during transport.
Each time a serial number seal is broken the old number and the new numbers should be recorded, who is present listed and this sheet should be protected as a matter of public record.
As soon as possible after the election, every ballot should be scanned as image files and a record of every ballot preserved for all time. All election records should also be scanned in. Store all this info on a single DVD-R. Copies of the DVD-R should be available to every citizen for a nominal copy fee. Every scrap of paper and public record of every election should be available for all time.