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Amazon MP3 Store to Go Global in 2008

Amazon announced in a press release today their plans to sell DRM-free music worldwide through the Amazon MP3 store beginning later this year. This news is being viewed by some as the latest volley in Amazon's digital music sales war with Apple's iTunes. Since Amazon has completed its plans to offer DRM-free music from all four major record labels (most recently, Sony and Warner), the global availability of the MP3s can only be excellent news for customers.

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  1. It's about time... by TofuMatt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what I've been waiting for, seriously. I will be able to buy my music online, and actually own it now. I don't think anything more than "awesome" need be said.

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    1. Re:It's about time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And you haven't been able to with Apple's DRM-free tracks?

    2. Re:It's about time... by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Not since iTunes broke Linux compatibility. Count me in as another customer sitting here with a pile of cash waiting them to actually let me buy from them. And more competition in the market is a good thing, anyway.

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    3. Re:It's about time... by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sweet! Now I'll be able to download all the music you buy off P2P networks for free! Like I'm ever paying copyright companies for digital media files. I'd rather burn my money. Disregarding the moral issues on either side of the argument, two reasons I'd pay for music downloads are that
      • Assuming whatever I want is already available, it's often less hassle than tracking down songs via P2P (in rarer cases) and waiting for them to become available from a single uploader, and
      • If it's a known-bitrate transfer from a known existing source, it also saves me wasted time "auditioning" which version to keep from various downloaded copies (some of which are better quality than others)
      OTOH, iTunes isn't "perfect" quality either though. I've had stuff downloaded from them (which I couldn't find on P2P anyway) which had digital "clicks" in it. Actually, I've even had minor digital pops/clicks in quite a few CDs I've bought (they remained even when played back on different players. It's not like it was a recent loudness-compressed let's-get-this-recording-to-the-16-bit-volume-limit release either, I had this problem with the 1994 reissue of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon".). So it's possible that either iTunes had bad error-compensation when ripping from the CD source and/or that a major non-correctable flaw was present on the CD *or* that the CD's master itself was flawed.

      In either case, WTF is going on there? I don't expect digital flaws- even minor ones- on stuff from iTunes, and I certainly don't expect them on my CDs!
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    4. Re:It's about time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The current iTunes Plus (i.e. DRM-free and higher bitrate) tracks are $1.29, and Apple will upgrade existing tracks that are now available as DRM-free for 30 cents, the difference in price. So Amazon is a much better deal, but if you already have music from iTMS, then the upgrade price will be cheaper. Click on the "iTunes Plus" link in the store and you should see a button in the upper left to upgrade if any tracks are available.

      Having tried the Amazon MP3 service, I see no reason to continue buying from iTMS, except perhaps for artists that Amazon doesn't have yet. 256 kps MP3 is good enough for me, and plays everywhere. The Amazon Downloader even handles the download queue and automatically inserts the tracks into your iTunes library. iTunes Plus has poor selection, and my portable player can't do AAC anyway, so this avoids a transcoding step for me as well.

      So I would say, aside from upgrading existing tracks, you should drop iTMS like a bad habit.

    5. Re:It's about time... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Disregarding the moral issues on either side of the argument, two reasons I'd pay for music downloads are that

      * Assuming whatever I want is already available, it's often less hassle than tracking down songs via P2P (in rarer cases) and waiting for them to become available from a single uploader, and
      * If it's a known-bitrate transfer from a known existing source, it also saves me wasted time "auditioning" which version to keep from various downloaded copies (some of which are better quality than others)

      See, it is because of the moral issues involved that I grab music I don't even like and burn it for friends who never asked for it out of my own pocket.

      From my perspective, it's a war, and every purchase prevented is less resources for the enemy to use against me and mine.

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    6. Re:It's about time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually you hit the nail on the head, there was an article about how DRM free music would mean the deathnell for the music industry. This year alone as short as it has been I have spent more at amazon.com on DRM free music than I have spent on music in the last 3-4 years.

      It is fast easy and cheap, available 24 hours a day, it is not proprietary. I also find myself buying weird things as well I never ever would have bought in a store. The other night I was having trouble sleeping, usually sounds of rain or something like that would put be to sleep. So I searched all over online for sounds of rain thinking i could put it in a loop or something. I finally after digging and digging for anything free to download, looked to old faithful Amazon, sure enough they had a ton of DRM free MP3's of sounds designed to help you sleep. 89 cents for a 60 minute track of rain with some thunder mixed in, 20 minutes later I was sound asleep.

      Come home from work, hear a song on the radio they tell you what the song was and what the band is, by the time you get around to going to the store where they sell CD's you have forgot, not anymore I come in type it into amazon and now I have it permanently for use on anything I want.

    7. Re:It's about time... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're an idiot.

      No, I'm a genius. IQ is over 160.

      If you don't like the MPAA why are you listening to their music?

      Because it's not their property, it's my culture. I don't recognize their claim to it.

      You're inventing crazy reasons to keep on stealing.

      First off, duplicating is not stealing. Stealing is when you take a physical object that is someone elses personal posession. And secondly, my actions are not crazy, they are tactically sound means of working towards my goals.

      And I mean literally crazy, you come off as a paranoid schizophrenic.

      I'm not paranoid. I'm actively attempting to subvert and sabotage the critical infrastructure of my enemies, and they are after me. It's not like I'm the only one. Maybe some day you'll join us. Then we can all afford to sing as one.

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    8. Re:It's about time... by webmaster404 · · Score: 2, Informative

      How is it cheaper? Usually on a CD there is only 1-3 songs that I really want, with a CD I pay anywhere from $10-20 for that CD with around 15 songs, compare that with $.99 per song and I spend around $1-3 rather then $15, so no its not cheaper. On around a 1 MB per second connection downloading an average 4 MB song takes me around 4-10 seconds, unless you live right next to a store it is not faster. When it is an open format such as MP3 and can be played on almost any device, DRM free, it can be played on a Linux/Windows/Mac/BSD computer, a generic MP3 player, burnt to a CD, or whatever, so it isn't easier. As for contributing to the local economy, just go to local concerts and support local bands.

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    9. Re:It's about time... by aleander · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're an idiot. No, I'm a genius. IQ is over 160. My IQ is 168 and I say you're an idiot with no logic skills.

      If you don't like the MPAA why are you listening to their music? Because it's not their property, it's my culture. I don't recognize their claim to it. Thank $CHOSEN_DEITY for policemen, who don't recognize your claim to it.

      You're inventing crazy reasons to keep on stealing. First off, duplicating is not stealing. OK, technically it's a copyright violation. Close enough for me.

      Stealing is when you take a physical object that is someone elses personal posession. And secondly, my actions are not crazy, they are tactically sound means of working towards my goals. As technically sound as emptying the litterbox one grain at a time. Go read some anarchist cookbook and blow yourself up at Sony headquarters or whatever.

      And I mean literally crazy, you come off as a paranoid schizophrenic. I'm not paranoid. I'm actively attempting to subvert and sabotage the critical infrastructure of my enemies, and they are after me. It's not like I'm the only one. Maybe some day you'll join us. Then we can all afford to sing as one. Not if I can get my orbital brain control lasers working first!
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    10. Re:It's about time... by iamstretchypanda · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try MyFairTunes. It will let you strip the DRM out of your itunes library without a loss in quality. From the hymn-project.org website on why to use their software: "To demonstrate your belief in the principles of fair-use under copyright law." Beautiful.

    11. Re:It's about time... by dangitman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I'm a genius. IQ is over 160.

      Citing an IQ figure as proof of genius only demonstrates idiocy of the highest order.

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  2. Why's it tagged that? by Mike89 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why's this tagged "whatcouldpossiblygowrong"?

    1. Re:Why's it tagged that? by stormguard2099 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I know what could possibly go wrong, some jackass tags every story with that, thus removing all meaning from it so when the mad scientists put the brain of Hilter into a great white shark no one even thinks of the possible consequences.

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  3. Every article on the front page... by Derek+Loev · · Score: 4, Funny

    This may be a bit off topic...but:
    Does every single Slashdot article need to be tagged with "What could possibly go wrong?" I mean, seriously, what could possibly go wrong here?

    1. Re:Every article on the front page... by im+just+cannonfodder · · Score: 3, Informative

      well.......

      you can use this service but be warned, global price fixing by the RIAA/IFPI is being utilised denying any credit transactions that originate from a card outside your own territory, just as they fixed it with iTunes and forced apple to implement regional price fixing.


      The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.

      The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.

      The IFPI Are: The Same A$$ Holes Like 1 ring to control them all.

      The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.

    2. Re:Every article on the front page... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, that probably would be very bad. With the iTunes store in a strong position the big four have an incentive to give favourable terms to everyone else (no DRM, lower prices, and so on). Without iTunes, the market would be fragmented and no one would have enough bargaining power to get a particularly good deal. Microsoft would probably blow a billion or so giving discounts on their store in Zune-only format, propelling the Zune to the number one spot, at which point the labels would start saying 'you can only sell our music in Zune-DRM form' and everyone loses.

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  4. When is it going to happen by a_nonamiss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's nice to hear about these companies that are going to release DRM-free music, but I have yet to see anything real. It's the kind of thing that makes a nice press announcement, but it seems like they don't really have to do anything. With today's technology and the existing infrastructure, it should take about 15 minutes to get this thing up and running. What's the hold-up? I'm still waiting on my Beatles on iTunes that was announced in early 2007!

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    1. Re:When is it going to happen by Niten · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are aware that the DRM-free Amazon MP3 store is already up and running, aren't you? I've bought about four albums' worth of music from it since the store launched months ago. The news here is only that Amazon MP3 will be opening internationally.

    2. Re:When is it going to happen by value_added · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm still waiting on my Beatles on iTunes that was announced in early 2007!

      I wouldn't worry about it. I have a friend who has a complete Beatles collection on LPs, and from what I've heard, you're not missing much.

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  6. Linux support by ProteusQ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Amazon limits the number of tracks you can buy and $$ you can save per download unless you download entire albums using their download software. However, it's only available for Windows and Mac.

    eMusic also requires that you download their application, but they offer a nice GUI-based app for Linux. They even claim that it runs on a 2.2.14 kernel! Their selection isn't as good, and their business model is different (subscription vs. per download), but it's worth taking a look.

    If nothing, email Amazon and ask for a Linux downloader. Mentioning eMusic ought to help get them moving in the right direction.

    1. Re:Linux support by RedK · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Linux version of the downloader is in the works :

      http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200154260
      If you use Linux, you can currently buy individual songs. A Linux version of the Amazon MP3 Downloader is under development, and when released will allow entire album purchases.

      Though not very well supported, the Windows downloader works in Wine :

      http://mad-scientist.us/amazon.html

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  7. Re:Will any of them ever match AllOfMp3's prices? by RedK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I shopped a lot at Allofmp3.com and now at their sister site, mp3sparks.com. However, there is no denying that their insane prices were in part due to not giving anything back to the artists/record companies. You can scream all you want about artists not really getting much back from record companies all you want, but 0.01$ is still more than 0.00$.

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  8. You said it, Chewie! by MacarooMac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being UK based I remember last year I got all excited about some obscure MP3's I found on the amazon.com download section - and then spotted the little (Amazon MP3 Purchases are limited to U.S. customers.) disclaimer. D'oh!
    I guess it won't be there much longer...

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  9. Re:Will any of them ever match AllOfMp3's prices? by DrEldarion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's easy to charge low prices when you don't actually pay the people who make the music.

  10. What could possibly go right? by leehwtsohg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What could go wrong? How about:
    Music industry starts selling DRM-free mp3, stopping its decline and saving the RIAA for the next clueless battle.

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  12. Can't believe it! by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Steve Jobs claimed a while back that he didn't like DRM, and had to do it because of the labels. Now we have Amazon selling true MP3s for all four major labels. So where's Steve?

    Wow, could it be that he really wants DRM to lock people into iTunes and the iPod? Nahhhhh, not our Steve! He'd NEVER do that! Maybe he's just not as crafty as Amazon.

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    1. Re:Can't believe it! by k2enemy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Steve Jobs claimed a while back that he didn't like DRM, and had to do it because of the labels. Now we have Amazon selling true MP3s for all four major labels. So where's Steve?

      Based on what I've read, I think the record companies are trying to avoid a situation where iTunes has a monopsony in the (wholesale) market for digital music. If iTunes is the only reseller of digital music then Apple has a lot of bargaining power in price negotiations and will be able to pay the labels a low price.

      By not allowing Apple to sell tracks DRM free while at the same time allowing stores like Amazon to do so, they allow the other stores to gain market share and catch up a little with Apple. Then no one buyer has the entire market and the record labels can retain some price setting power.
    2. Re:Can't believe it! by corby · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Now we have Amazon selling true MP3s for all four major labels. So where's Steve?

      Steve is right where he said he would be. For labels such as EMI that have agreed to license DRM-free music to iTunes, Steve is carrying that music under the iTunes Plus label.

      Most of the labels that have started licensing DRM-free music to Amazon are refusing to license it to Apple. This is their big fuck-you to Steve Jobs to try and break the iTunes Store 'monopoly'.

      And unlike everything else the record companies have ever done in the digital space, this has a chance of working. I put off using Amazon for a long time because I didn't want to install their downloader, but once I did I was hooked.

      Amazon is selling music at reasonable prices. Their store is more convenient to use than BitTorrent, and the music is of a consistently higher quality than what I can get off of Pirate Bay.

      Look, ma, I'm paying for all of my music again!

    3. Re:Can't believe it! by onefriedrice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On the other hand, it's VERY much typical behavior for Steve to try and lock people into his products.

      Proof?

      By the way, Apple lowered their "iTunes Plus" (no DRM) prices when Amazon came out with their MP3 service. It now costs the same as regular DRM songs. This should indicate to you that Apple is willing to ditch DRM entirely, seeing as how they are willing to charge the same prices.

      I'm surprised you haven't seen the common theory that the major labels aren't giving non-DRM rights to Apple yet in order to retain pricing control. I don't know if anyone can prove it, but it certainly is the most common theory and really the only one that makes sense, given the facts. If you really care to know (you're not a troll right?), then google it. Duh.
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  13. This isn't a sales war between Amazon and Apple by RalphBNumbers · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a sales war between Universal/Warner/Sony and Apple, Amazon is just the labels' chosen weapon.

    What would really be good for customers would be if the labels let everyone sell DRM free music, including Apple, and let the consumer decide where they want to buy their music in a real free-market sales war.

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  14. Re:Will any of them ever match AllOfMp3's prices? by Niten · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Will any of them ever match AllOfMp3's prices?

    No, because unlike AllOfMp3 these stores are operating according to U.S. (or similar) law; and more importantly to me, purchases from Amazon MP3, iTunes Plus, et al. result in the artists actually getting paid for their work. (Yes, I know, "the evil record labels don't pay their artists that much anyway, blah blah blah"... but if an artist is in a bad contract, at least it's an arrangement that he or she voluntarily entered into; AllOfMp3, on the other hand, is profiting off these artists' work without any compensation or agreement. If you give a crap about your favorite musicians, you don't buy their stuff from AllOfMp3.)

    Quality rate, obscure bands not signed by one of the big corporations, etc.

    Amazon MP3's quality is good, better than iTunes but not quite on par with iTunes Plus. Tracks are encoded with LAME 3.97 at a high VBR bitrate (~230 kbps or so?). The collection is still a tiny bit spotty, but growing fast. It certainly has a better selection than iTunes Plus does, by a long shot. All things considered, it's an excellent service.

    My biggest pet peeve with Amazon MP3 is that while you can purchase individual songs through the standard Amazon web interface, purchasing whole albums (and thereby receiving the album discount, where applicable) requires the Amazon MP3 Downloader. On the plus side, this program seems well-written, can pause downloads or resume interrupted ones, automatically imports your songs into iTunes or other MP3 players' libraries, and doesn't behave suspiciously. But why should it be necessary? The downloader is currently available for OS X and Windows, and a Linux version is "forthcoming".

  15. Amazon's service is good by MarkWatson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a long time iTunes customer, I have started buying from Amazon. With iTunes, I would always backup the music that I bought to an audio CDR, then re-import as MP3 -- Amazon selling MP3s saves me real effort.

    Buying music online is a good deal, if you can back it up and enjoy it over a long time period.

  16. Re:Will any of them ever match AllOfMp3's prices? by boldie · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, the creators of the music gets LESS than the credit card company per download. A Swedish artist sad in an interview that he got Euro 0.03 ($0.044) per download on itunes (price per dl ~Euro 1). That was not nearly enough to make a living on. To him it did'nt matter if the song were downloaded on p2p or itunes.

    Non the less, this is good news!

  17. Re:Will any of them ever match AllOfMp3's prices? by gsslay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to give many more times that to scumbag corporations, who (on a lot of the music in question) long ago covered their costs and earned their profits, yet still charge me and the artist a premium for expenses, many of which no longer exist. The capitalist free-market system says; "Hi!, Where have you been all your life?"

    What makes you think music corporations should or could work any differently from any other industry? No industry reaches a point where they have "earned their profits". Where is there the point that says "ok stop now, you've earned enough from that"?

  18. I wouldn't get too excited about this folks,,, by Jeeproxx · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work for the CMRRA (Canadian Musical Reproduction Rights Agency), we are the ones who handle music publishing in Canada. Period. The reality is that this is mostly a move to stimulate sales but not a long term reality. The vast majority of higher selling (charting) product will continued to be delivered with DRM protection. It only stands to reason. Everybody in the music industry realizes that DRM is nothing but a 'speed bump' and not a long term solution to meeting their goals. The reality is, despite the Sony rootkit fiasco, the future will bring either more invasive software at the consumer level or more control at the ISP level. Trust me... I am a not happy about this, I am not impressed with many of the actions of the RIAA and WIPO but this is the reality. You are looking at an entire industry collapsing.... and fast. They are fighting for their very exsistance and loosing. The money is gone. It will very soon be harder and harder for artists to have access to the funds to successfully produce and market their music in the conventional format. Physical distribution will not be consistant... and films are next. You can keep making 400 million dollar movies when you can't make more the 250 million back. It just not sustainable. Things will continue on, however, in a far different model. The problem is that no one can forsee the emerging buisness model and how to transition into this model. Open Source software will replace conventional digital tools for media editing (since the art and beauty of analogue has already died) and do so quite well. Online distribution, which will endup enduring harsh filtering and monitoring. We have brought this on ourselves. I don't agree with ISP filtering/monitoring, root kit technologies, or suing of endusers. I have watched my friends loose their jobs, one after the other for too long. Studios closing left and right, labels laying off staff year after year, great musicians not getting the finances they need because there isn't enough to go around and they haven't got enough "Bling". Last year, for every 32 artist that got signed, only two of those made money, a couple more would break even, and the rest lost money. Record companies are the agencies which provide the funding and marketing resources where conventional banks won't. It all soo sad. I love music. I've invested years of my life and 10's of thousands of dollars on education and equipment. Now I'm back in school at night studying programming and network administration. Perhaps if people took a minute to realize that by not paying for the music they are starving artist, engineers, producers.... people who have worked in the industry for 20 and 30 years are finding themselves at 50 yrs old and having to try and find some sort of job to continue feeding their families. My heart goes out to the 2000+ people who are loosing their jobs with EMI. PLEASE... TAKE A MINUTE TO CONSIDER THE FACTS. Don't let the fat paycheques of the CEO's and ignorant lawsuits of the RIAA blind your eyes to the realities being endured by thousands of people who work hard to make the music you listen to.

    1. Re:I wouldn't get too excited about this folks,,, by rueger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm also in Canada. Instead of offering the age old complaint that musicians need to get paid (with which I don't argue) you need to tell us all how to make sure that that happens in a technologically changing environment. Wishing won't make it so, neither will bullying, so what does the music industry (and/or performers) need to do?

      As is the case with spam, the technology will always stay one step ahead of the government. For instance, many of the big ISPs have been throttling or otherwise crippling traffic from Bittorrent clients, even though many quite legitimate and legal downloads are well suited to using that technology. The solution turned out to be relatively simple. Most Bittorrent clients now offer the option of encrypting traffic so that it can't be identified as Bittorrent, and speeds pop right back up.

      Beyond that there is a generation of music lovers who have grown up with file trading and peer to peer, and who either see nothing wrong with up and downloading songs, or who at least see it as just one of the ways that they may acquire music. Just as my friends and I traded mix tapes, these kids trade songs and albums on-line.

      Even I have finally started ripping my CD collection to MP3. Sometime this month I realized that I had more music in digital format (much from emusic.com) than on disc, and I was listening to five albums on the computer or MP3 player for every one that I heard off of CD.

      The discussion is not about how or if you can stop file sharing - you can't. It's about how working musicians adapt to that changing technology and make a living from their music.

  19. Amazon "gets it" by MK_CSGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With services for developers like EC2 and S3 I feel Amazon is underestimated big time - they are one of the few big companies that really "get it".

  20. Steve Jobs: Thoughts on Music by bgspence · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's his position:
    http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/

    Thoughts on Music
    Steve Jobs
    February 6, 2007

    ...

    "The third alternative is to abolish DRMs entirely. Imagine a world where every online store sells DRM-free music encoded in open licensable formats. In such a world, any player can play music purchased from any store, and any store can sell music which is playable on all players. This is clearly the best alternative for consumers, and Apple would embrace it in a heartbeat. If the big four music companies would license Apple their music without the requirement that it be protected with a DRM, we would switch to selling only DRM-free music on our iTunes store. Every iPod ever made will play this DRM-free music."

    ...

    "Convincing them to license their music to Apple and others DRM-free will create a truly interoperable music marketplace. Apple will embrace this wholeheartedly."