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Thou Shalt Not View The Super Bowl on a 56" Screen

theodp writes "For 200 members of the Immanuel Bible Church and their friends, the annual Super Bowl party is over thanks to the NFL, which explained that airing NFL games at churches on large-screen TV sets violates the NFL copyright. Federal copyright law includes an exemption for sports bars, according to NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy, but churches are out of luck. Churchgoers who aren't averse to a little drinking-and-driving still have the opportunity to see the game together in public on a screen bigger than 55 inches."

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  1. Why can live sports events be copyrighted? by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative

    They are in no way creative works. What "original authorship" exists? "Copyright shelters only fixed, original and creative expression," which a football game isn't.

    Furthermore, to be copyrighted, a work must be fixed into a "tangible medium." That is not the case for a live broadcast (although it might be for an after-the-fact replay).

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    1. Re:Why can live sports events be copyrighted? by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What "original authorship" exists?
      The editing, the commentary? It's not like there is a single camera fixed on the field. Also the teams are really entertainers and the sport can be considered an improvised performance.

      Furthermore, to be copyrighted, a work must be fixed into a "tangible medium." That is not the case for a live broadcast (although it might be for an after-the-fact replay).
      If IP addresses held in RAM can be considered "fixed", then a live broadcast can certainly also be considered fixed.
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    2. Re:Why can live sports events be copyrighted? by frieko · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or in the case of a Patriots game, the whole thing is fixed! /cheap shot

  2. So... by rakuen · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I have a 60" TV, and no one is around to watch it, does it violate copyright?

  3. Oh yay by ObjetDart · · Score: 5, Funny

    Religion and football...two things that I couldn't possibly care less about. I hope they obliterate each other in a spectacular orgy of litigation.

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  4. I can truly understand this by Jugalator · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, it's really hard to make a profit on the Super Bowl.

    After all, the advertisements were set at an as low rate as $90,000 per second.

    Seriously, let's think of the NFL for once. :-(

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  5. Pffft. This is easy. by Associate · · Score: 5, Funny

    All the churches need are liquor licenses. They can sell communion wine and hot wings. Insta-church-sports bar. Eat that NFL. No one fucks with the Jesus.

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    1. Re:Pffft. This is easy. by rishistar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly why he died a virgin.

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  6. Re:You heretics by Stanislav_J · · Score: 5, Funny

    The real WTF is, people in the USA watch football in churches? How the fuck is that not somehow blasphemous?

    In some parts of the U.S., football is the dominant religion.

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  7. Re:Good luck with that, NFL by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Funny

    HAHAHA! Where is their God NOW?!

  8. Thank god... by jadin · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is to keep church members from seeing 56 inch nipples.

  9. Re:Good luck with that, NFL by servognome · · Score: 5, Funny

    HAHAHA! Where is their God NOW?!
    At the bar I guess.
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  10. Re:Good luck with that, NFL by insignificant_wrangl · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Super Bowl is straight-up ole regular network TV. As the article mentions, all that this really affects is TV ratings (since fewer sets are showing the game). You must be European if you expect American TV ratings or copyright to make any kind of sense!

  11. Re:Good luck with that, NFL by The+Analog+Kid · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is the Super Bowl pay per view

    Nope. It's on Fox. In fact, Fox is free over the air. The problem they have with it, is that instead of lets say 4 people per 1 TV, they might have 40 people per 1 TV, where there would have been 40 people split using 10 different TVs. I think ratings are only affected if Neilsen homes aren't watching it though. So it all really comes down to ratings. They'd rather see 10 homes watching the SB rather than 1 church.

  12. Why does nobody else play American Football? by MrSteveSD · · Score: 5, Funny

    Both of Britain's main sports (Football and Cricket) are played quite widely internationally, yet American football does not seem to have taken the world by storm. I suppose one consolation of this is that the US always wins, but wouldn't it make more sense to concentrate all those resources on games that are more popular internationally?

    Come to think of it, the other main US sport, Baseball, is not hugely popular around the world either. According to Wikipedia it is less popular than volleyball and table tennis. Maybe the US is onto something here. Perhaps we can copy this idea in Britain. We need to ditch the sports we keep losing at, like soccer, and invent a new one that nobody is interested in. Then we will finally be world champions :)

  13. Re:Good luck with that, NFL by OptimusPaul · · Score: 5, Funny

    What!? As an american it is our duty to watch the super bowl. And as good god fearing men we are obligated to, that's why it's on Sunday. Now come on people let's follow the rules, there is nothing better than a day of bowling, especially super bowling... now when is it on?

  14. Re:Good luck with that, NFL by dosius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's on free-to-air TV. It shouldn't matter who's watching. Got a TV? Got an aerial? That's all you really need. It's not copying, no copy's being made, so what the hell does copyright have to do with anything? It would be a breach of copyright if someone was mastering videos during the game to hand out to the people in attendance...otherwise, they're just thumping their chests like the 900 lb. gorillas they are.

    -uso.

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  15. The end result? by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd call the NFL's bluff. Jesus was a pretty rebellious and rock the boat sort of guy. He didn't back down from the Roman's or Pharisees, he told people how it was, associated with unwed women and whores, and scared those in power.

    And got crucified for it.

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  16. Re:Yeah, screw those churches! by zerocool^ · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Actually, and I kid you not, the fundamentalist southern baptist church that I went to when I was younger and still under the thumb of my parents did exactly what you're saying.

    Seriously, they figured that people would be watching the superbowl, and that's UNACCEPTABLE! Why? BECAUSE THE ADS ARE FOR BEER. Can't have good christians watching advertisements with frogs saying "Bud", now can we? So they showed the superbowl up on the wall of the gathering area at the church with a projector, and during the commercials, they'd instead air mini-commercials about jesus that the youth group had put together.

    Yeah. No joke. Wild.

    ~Wx

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  17. Best Defense: "So Sue Me!" by Redbaran · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The best thing this church could do is call the NFL's bluff and play the game anyway!

    Let's consider the worst scenario, the NFL does sue. So what?!?! Odds are that the NFL will lose and then there is a good chance the church could counter-sue and reclaim any costs incurred.

    But, let's be realistic, it would be a PR suicide attempt for the NFL to sue a church. The only thing the church could do better then simply showing the game would be to bus in a load of poor, handicapped, cancer-inflicted children from broken homes. I'd like to see the NFL sue that!!

  18. Re:Good luck with that, NFL by Original+Replica · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So can they be sued for false advertising if they have a commercial that shows more than four people watching football together? If it is illegal to "use their product" in that way, are beer commercials that show large numbers of people over at a person's house enjoying the game together promoting copyright violation?

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  19. They bought themselves a law! by Xenographic · · Score: 5, Informative
    IANAL, but this came up last year, too. They have a law written to forbid this, as stupid as it might be. If I could direct your attention to USC 17 110 (5) (B) (i) (II) or however you cite something buried that deeply in copyright law:

    (II) if the performance or display is by audiovisual means, any visual portion of the performance or display is communicated by means of a total of not more than 4 audiovisual devices, of which not more than 1 audiovisual device is located in any 1 room, and no such audiovisual device has a diagonal screen size greater than 55 inches, and any audio portion of the performance or display is communicated by means of a total of not more than 6 loudspeakers, of which not more than 4 loudspeakers are located in any 1 room or adjoining outdoor space;

    (emphasis added)

    They're correctly reading the law, as sad as it might be. Now, the law here is ridiculous, there's NO question in my mind about that. There are plenty of other ridiculous provisions in there just like this one. Alas, we have the best laws money can buy :-(
    1. Re:They bought themselves a law! by Gandalf_Greyhame · · Score: 5, Interesting

      and any audio portion of the performance or display is communicated by means of a total of not more than 6 loudspeakers, of which not more than 4 loudspeakers are located in any 1 room or adjoining outdoor space

      So, 5.1 is out then too?

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    2. Re:They bought themselves a law! by sumdumass · · Score: 5, Informative

      This law isn't the result of money buying legislation. It is an artifact of a time when TV's with a screen size of 55inches are larger were so costly that it could only be assumed that they were being used in commercial establishments. Section 5 of 110 was created in 1975 and was designed so that if you turned on a TV or radio in a public place for what would be considered home use, you wouldn't be in a violation if people gathered around or could somehow see or hear the broadcast. You can find more about it here. Your probably going to find it easier to search for 5 and it will take you to the parts dealing with section 4 and give a little case history on it.

      The law probably needs an updating but it would be highly unusual if it didn't get updated with the best laws money can buy. This law, seeing how it was from 1975 seems to actually have the interest of the people in mind.