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"Anonymous" Takes Scientology Protest to the Streets

This past Sunday members of the group "Anonymous" that has been running an attack on the church of Scientology took their battle from the tubes of the internet to the pavement of real life, staging a protest outside the central Phoenix Church of Scientology. "The protesters said they gathered Sunday in lieu of the birthday of Lisa McPherson, a Scientologist once cared for by church staffers. Her 1995 death sparked media attention and a civil wrongful death suit against a branch of the Church of Scientology. A wrongful death suit by her family was a public-relations nightmare for the church for years until it was settled in 2004. The Church of Scientology declined to comment on the Phoenix protests. It did provide a news release calling members of Anonymous cyber-terrorists."

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  1. Not just Pheonix by Donniedarkness · · Score: 5, Informative

    This was happening all over the world. According to wikinews (last time I checked), there were 9200 participants worldwide (although sadly, only 40 here in Nashville).

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    1. Re:Not just Pheonix by Flameon · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since there's a lot of pictures and videos from these protests all over the world here's a few good links.

      http://forums.enturbulation.org/
      - A bit of planning, a early rough estimate of attendees around the world, post protest media being uploaded all the time.

      http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_international_report:_%22Anonymous%22_holds_anti-Scientology_protests_worldwide
      - Wikinews with pics/vids/links related to 10feb.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanology
      - About the project so far (sources only from credible media)

      http://www.partyvan.info/index.php/Project_Chanology
      - Anonymous own wiki on the project, mainly used to gather information, results, future plans and events.

    2. Re:Not just Pheonix by epiphani · · Score: 5, Informative

      Heres the rundown:

      London, UK - around 500 people.
      LA - around 500 people
      Sydney, Australia - around 300 people.
      Clearwater, Florida - around 250 people. This one is scientology headquarters.
      New York - around 320 people
      Boston - around 270 people
      Atlanta - around 250 people. They called out the riot squad in full gear, with a helicopter. There was no incidents at all.
      Washington DC - around 200 people.
      Toronto - around 200 people.

      In total, the estimates are around 8000 people worldwide. The aim was, of course, to get over 9000.

      grip: i submitted details of these protests to slashdot twice before this took place, hoping we could get some of you folks out. *shakes fist at editor*

      COME NEXT TIME - MARCH 15TH.

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  2. Re:Balanced view. by Zaharazod · · Score: 4, Informative
  3. The Video That Started It & A Few Notes by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    The video that they forced off of YouTube can, thanks to Gawker, be found here.

    As a non-scientologist, this is scary. Possibly the most scary part of it is the editing. I have no problem with people having convictions but when he talks about "fightin' the fight" and "people needing them" and "people depending on them" ... I get a little frightened that people around me think like that. You may be able to argue that it's little different than Christianity or Islam but what I really fear are the people who are part of Sea Org or offshore from the states and may have given up their rights as a civilian & American to have some sort of special standing in this group.

    Whatever the case, I will not ever affiliate myself with a Scientologist and after reading Have You Lived Before This Life, I will do everything in my power to convince those that I know and love to avoid Scientology.

    The thing that concerns me about Scientology is that after reading some books by Hubbard about it, I have found very little criticism of it. A book & some articles with the most notable one being Time Magazine. It seems like such an easy target. It takes seconds to find books criticizing Catholics or Muslims ... why are there so few publications attacking Scientology? There is definitely something scary about a very powerful organization and if they have people dumping money into them, I do not doubt they are capable of silencing anyone (unfortunately, even Slashdot).

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    1. Re:The Video That Started It & A Few Notes by KublaiKhan · · Score: 5, Informative

      It is a tenet of the Church of Scientology (the organization; I make no judgments about the beliefs of individual members) that any "SP"--that is, a 'suppressive person', or in more plain language, anybody who criticizes the church--is to be harassed, sued into oblivion, and otherwise removed as a threat by any means necessary.

      Though the CoS claims that it revoked its official "fair game" doctrine that specifically endorsed these tactics in 1968, there have been a number of scientology defectors who have confirmed that they were instructed to carry out similar exercises against those whom the CoS has declared to be "SP".

      This is, by the way, one of the reasons why Anonymous has been careful to conceal its members' identities. During the protest, the Scientologists are known to have videoed the protests; and taken special effort to photograph any members of Anonymous who were not wearing a mask, any cars that members of Anonymous entered, and in some cases, cars that stopped and received literature that Anonymous was handing out. It does not take any imagination at all to determine what the CoS is likely to do with this information.

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    2. Re:The Video That Started It & A Few Notes by KublaiKhan · · Score: 4, Informative

      As I said, no imagination is necessary. It's all been documented.

      Standard tactics are to harass the person by picketing their house and calling them a 'religious bigot'.

      Further, contact will frequently be made with the person's employer and any relatives, emphasizing the 'religious bigot' angle and any other damaging information gathered.

      Lawsuits are filed to harass the person--whether or not they have any merit is immaterial, as the aim is to waste the person's time and money.

      Xenu.net has documentation on this, for a start, and other repositories of similar records can be found in various places on the internet; I seem to recall that there are several .torrents of documentation archives out there which provide records of all this.

      No need for imagination. The truth is bad enough.

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    3. Re:The Video That Started It & A Few Notes by KublaiKhan · · Score: 4, Informative

      Do they need to?

      They're not likely to suffer debilitating lawsuits, accusations to their employers and relatives of religious bigotry (given that the Church of Scientology tends to isolate its members from non-Scientologist family) or, frankly, any harm at all for taking their action.

      If you disagree with the anonymity of Anonymous, you're more than welcome to do so. This doesn't mean that their message is any less true, though.

      I would note further that Anonymous may be, in this case, a real-life example of a Stand-alone complex--a movement that has no structure, no leaders, but unites under a common face, name, and cause. As such, the identities of the individual members is, in the end, irrelevant--much like a corporation, the cause exists as an entity unto itself.

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  4. Re:Balanced view. by NothingMore · · Score: 5, Informative

    Anon doesnt have an issue with the religious views of the church. They have an issue with the church itself which is why in one of there recent videos they talk about the "Free Zone" (People who follow the beliefs of the religion but are not affiliated with Scientology) which they have no issues with.

  5. Re:Photos by Drakin020 · · Score: 5, Informative
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  6. Re:Balanced view. by KublaiKhan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Interestingly, it's not the beliefs of Scientology that were being protested--if you read through some of the more recent Anonymous releases, you'll note that they emphasize that it's the organization that calls itself the Church of Scientology that's being protested, on account of its practices.

    Anonymous has explicitly noted that the "Free Zone"--that is, the Scientologists outside the organization--are just fine and dandy.

    O'course, the "Free Zone" doesn't charge for its teaching...

    But I don't think the antagonism against psychiatry is what you think it is--I think it's more a control structure (given that the auditing, in essence, imparts a codependent relationship between the auditee and the auditor (and by extension, the CoS)). Also worth noting is that the founder, Mr. Hubbard, had a very distinct antipathy towards the profession, and which created certain aspects of Scientology specifically to counter standard psychiatric practice.

    I would note that, while not a member per se of Anonymous, I do think that their efforts against Scientology are a good thing, and were carried out remarkably peacefully and with remarkably good organization.

    (I've also heard there's more planned for 3/15--beware the Ides of March!)

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  7. Re:Balanced view. by epiphani · · Score: 4, Informative

    Easy. You talk to the people who've left it.

    Voiceless

    Thats one. There are hundreds, if not thousands, more. Including the niece of David Miscavish (the current leader of scientology).

    Come on people, the information is out there. You can easily take a balanced view by READING the accounts of the hundreds of people who've been victimized. Look up Paulette Cooper. Shes still alive today to tell her story of being harassed and sued for 15 straight years.

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  8. Re:Balanced view. by mattsgotredhair · · Score: 5, Informative

    How do you take a balanced view of a religion that wont tell you it's beleifs before you've bought into it.
    I wanted to stress that you really meant that you have to buy into it. The course to actually learn about Xenu costs $750 alone! Individually the courses to become a "clear" cost over $4500!
  9. Re:Balanced view. by KublaiKhan · · Score: 5, Informative

    True, but there is one major difference between the confessional and an auditing session:

    The regulations of the Catholic church are very strict that what is said in the confessional -stays- in the confessional under all circumstances (except for a -very- restricted few).

    The Church of Scientology -says- that what is said stays confidential, but routinely uses any information obtained during an audit as either a method of coercing the auditee to take more auditing sessions, to refrain from leaving the Church of Scientology, or to attack the ex-Scientologist when they have left with blackmail, or ruining their reputation in the community.

    This has been documented by nearly every ex-scientologist--sometimes, all three instances.

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  10. Where is the "vigilante justice"? by khasim · · Score: 4, Informative

    To me, "vigilante justice" means "hanging".

    I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing people exercising their LEGAL right to protest.

    You can claim it is "hate", but that's just your claim.

    Do the research and see the instances of abuse by Scientologists. Including brainwashing.

  11. Re:Balanced view. by am+2k · · Score: 4, Informative

    Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion.
    - L. Ron Hubbard

  12. Wrong! by Anonymous+Buzzword · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is completely wrong, and likely an attempt to Karma whore with a quick uninformed search.

    That is just a classification, 'Sruti' essentially means those scriptures that have been passed down directly from God to man, while 'Smriti' would be collected ancient wisdom.

    There are a number of books holy to Hindu faith, primarily the Gita, the Vedas, and the Upanishads.

    ~IAA Hindu