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Microsoft Pushes Copyright Education Curriculum

Dotnaught writes "Backed by a study that says teens show more respect for copyrights when told of possible jail time for infringement, Microsoft is launching a new intellectual property curriculum to educate kids about IP law. To support its teachings, Microsoft has launched MyBytes, a Web site where students can create custom ringtones, share content — "their own content," as Microsoft makes clear — and learn more about intellectual property rights."

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  1. Duh by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Funny

    possible jail time for infringement hehehe.. no shit. I don't know if "respect" is the right word though.

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    1. Re:Duh by Divebus · · Score: 3, Funny

      MSCopyright Rule #1: Everything belongs to us. By reading this, you are bound to the terms of the EULA. Sign here.

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    2. Re:Duh by theophilosophilus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MSCopyright Rule #2: Go back to #1.

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    3. Re:Duh by shark72 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "The only people who go to jail for infringement are commercial bootleggers and I can't imagine that'd include anyone under the age of 18 AKA high school students."

      Not correct from either a factual or practical standpoint. I grant you that this is what many people believe to be the case, but nonetheless, it's incorrect. This may be one of the reasons why Microsoft is launching the education campaign: to counter falsehoods like the one you've relayed.

      At any rate, Kevin Gonzalez uploaded a work print of The Hulk to a P2P network. He did this not for money; perhaps he was part of the scene or he just did it because he thinks information should be free. He was sentenced to six months of home confinement. William Fitzgerald was a fellow who traded warez via IRC; his mistake was making them available on his web server. Again, not for money. Nonetheless, he got four months in prison and four months in home confinement. Then there was Operation Buccaneer, which targeted some of the warez rings (again: amateur warez traders, not bootleggers!) and handed out jail sentences of 18 to 46 months. That's almost four years for non-commercial warez trading.

      The "you have to sell it for it to be criminal infringement" is one of those Slashdot memes that will never go away (your post is indeed already 4, informative when it's quite simply incorrect, while this correction will likely languish at 2 or lower). We'll continue to tell each other this, and we'll want it to be true. But the fact remains that Gonzalez and the rest did the jail time. Microsoft will actually be doing a disservice to teens if they don't explain the hard realities of copyright law.

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    4. Re:Duh by KillerCow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Backed by a study that says teens show more respect for copyrights when told of possible jail time for infringement,


      Don't break the law because it's against the law! That might work on teens, but it won't work on any free-thinking individual. Too bad our schools don't teach independent thought anymore.
    5. Re:Duh by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apparently they don't even teach teens enough to say "what law? Show me this law, written down and approved by vote, which says what you claim. Oh, there is no law? You were just lying?"

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    6. Re:Duh by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      copying != uploading.

      The claim is that copying will get you arrested.

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  2. The Gospel According To Bill... by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Urgh.

    I have no problems at all with educating kids on copyright law (at about the same time that other civics classes are taught), but this just reeks of propaganda.

    /P

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    1. Re:The Gospel According To Bill... by croddy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Eduganda?

    2. Re:The Gospel According To Bill... by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As long as the course also teaches about ethical business practices and fair play, and about how abusive monopolies can create a situation where the consumer receives very expensive and sub-par products. Students could get hands-on use with laptops sold as Vista-capable in late 2006 actually running Vista as an example of just this sort of thing.

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    3. Re:The Gospel According To Bill... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      If that caught on, i'd certainly feel bad for Uganda.

    4. Re:The Gospel According To Bill... by cptdondo · · Score: 5, Informative

      From the terms of use:

      Microsoft does not claim ownership of the materials you provide to Microsoft (including feedback and suggestions) or post, upload, input or submit to any Services or its associated services for review by the general public, or by the members of any public or private community, (each a "Submission" and collectively "Submissions"). However, by posting, uploading, inputting, providing or submitting ("Posting") your Submission you are granting Microsoft, its affiliated companies and necessary sublicensees permission to use your Submission in connection with the operation of their Internet businesses (including, without limitation, all Microsoft Services), including, without limitation, the license rights to: copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate and reformat your Submission; to publish your name in connection with your Submission; and the right to sublicense such rights to any supplier of the Services.

      No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your Submission, as provided herein. Microsoft is under no obligation to post or use any Submission you may provide and Microsoft may remove any Submission at any time in its sole discretion.

    5. Re:The Gospel According To Bill... by Mystery00 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obviously they're not teaching kids about copyright law, they're teaching kids to read disclaimers and the fine print.

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    6. Re:The Gospel According To Bill... by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is propaganda that moment anyone uses the term "Intellectual Property." The law recognizes no such thing. The law recognizes limitations on rights to duplicate *real* property, of attempting to pass as someone else, and a limited span of prevention of use of certain registered inventions. But nothing "intellectual" is ever owned.

    7. Re:The Gospel According To Bill... by TuringTest · · Score: 2, Funny

      Eduganda?

      Isn't that a Linux distro?

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  3. No dark sarcasm in the classroom ... by thrillseeker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...All in all you're just another brick in the wall

    1. Re:No dark sarcasm in the classroom ... by joshuaobrien · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...All in all you're just another brick in the wall

      © 1979 Roger Waters

  4. I wanna be copyright! by quinnanya · · Score: 3, Funny

    When you create a profile, one of the avatars you can pick is a copyright symbol.

  5. Re:Someday Microsoft's customer base by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

    The 19th century called. They want their Communist Manifesto back.

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  6. Re:Music, Videos, Programs will always be copied. by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ya know it's not illegal right?

    Seems the education campaigns are already working.

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  7. You just made me laugh. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know that copying music is illegal... I know it's wrong, that's enough for me.

    See, that's the difference between the sheeple and informed people. You really don't know it's wrong. You've just been educated to think it's wrong.

    As for me, I know that copying music is illegal in some countries, but I know it's NOT wrong - specially if the RIAA engages in monopolistic behavior.

    Reality isn't black and white, my friend. And it doesn't have shades of gray either, that would be thinking in 1-D. Reality comes in COLORS. Some nice, some ugly. And there are many viewpoints.

    1. Re:You just made me laugh. by gnick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You really don't know it's wrong. Would you be more comfortable with "Copying music feels wrong"? Artists deserve to be compensated for their work. I agree that illegally copying music isn't always immoral, but you'd have to be pretty convincing to persuade me that it's never immoral - If you're telling yourself that stealing music is part of your personal stand against the RIAA, I think that you're probably deluding yourself. Hopefully you at least endorse your bands of choice through concerts or merchandising if you refuse to pay for their CDs/MP3s. Does that make me one of your "sheeple"?
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    2. Re:You just made me laugh. by ozmanjusri · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you know which countries actually arrest people for "copying music", I'd like to hear it.

      The USA.

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  8. "Preserve our business model OR ELSE" 101 by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the beginning, there were computers... the hardware... the software was free. People were paid to write programs, but the programs weren't sold "as a product without guarantees." Then Bill Gates said "let there be profit where there was none!" And so there was.

    And it came to pass that there was wailing and gnashing of teeth while Microsoft made billions upon billions of dollars and a monopoly was built.

    And it came to pass that while open source and free software was never really gone, but it has regained popularity as much of the afore mentioned wailing and gnashing goes on. And as open source and industries using it gained popularity, there were flying chairs as well.

    There are other ways to get your computers to deliver the results you want and it doesn't have to cost any money. Microsoft doesn't want anyone to know that so they'll frighten kids with fire and brimstone to protect their business model. Brilliant! But should Microsoft be teaching religion in schools? What they SHOULD be teaching is their programmers to write safe and secure code.

    1. Re:"Preserve our business model OR ELSE" 101 by Shaterri · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In the beginning, there were computers... the hardware... the software was free. People were paid to write programs, but the programs weren't sold "as a product without guarantees." Then Bill Gates said "let there be profit where there was none!" And so there was.
      ...ummm, were you actually coding back then? I hate to break this to you, but by propagating (bit by bit, and admittedly occasionally by accident) the concept of a common computing environment with well-defined, public (and mostly-open) APIs and by encouraging the commoditization of computing, Bill Gates has probably done more to ensure the development of more free software than anyone else in the history of computing...
    2. Re:"Preserve our business model OR ELSE" 101 by pipatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bill Gates has probably done more to ensure the development of more free software than anyone else

      Well, what would the Bible be without the Devil...

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    3. Re:"Preserve our business model OR ELSE" 101 by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is why the Free Software community is based around Microsoft systems?

      No it's based around Unix systems, which were around before Microsoft - and it's what large parts of Windows is based on as well ...

      There was already a large community based around a common system with a common API before Microsoft and their still is ...and it has nothing to do with Microsoft ...

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  9. Re:whaddya wanna bet? by Digi-John · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to the Terms of Service at the bottom of the page, by posting pictures to flickr you give them a license to use said pictures in the promotion of the site. From the ToS: Yahoo! does not claim ownership of Content you submit or make available for inclusion on the Service..
    Giving a license != giving ownership.

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  10. User Poll by Amorymeltzer · · Score: 5, Informative
    Hey all, the current poll available on mybytes is:

    How many times should you be allowed to burn a copy of a CD that you purchased?
    Zero
    One or two
    Three to seven
    As many as I like; I own it. I think you know what to do...
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    1. Re:User Poll by i_am_socket · · Score: 2, Informative

      You have to register to take the poll.

      Since I bothered to add my vote to the other 99% of voters and I won't bother to go to the site again I hereby release my login info for all to mess with the site:

      username: username
      password: ********

      No.. really...
  11. Not in public schools, please by LoadWB · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just keep this crap away from public schools. This is the type of corporate propaganda that belongs in marketing, advertisements, and sponsored events. NOT in a tax-supported educational system.

    And screw them all:

    1) I not only make digital copies of software media, but I will happily provide a replacement to friends, family, or customers who lose theirs. Why? Because its the PRODUCT KEY which makes the magic, NOT the CD.

    1a) I am sensitive, however, to certain products which just require media from a previous version to qualify for an upgrade. I do not just "hand out" copies; you have to prove to me that you legitimately own the product. And I am quite fond of saying "NO."

    2) I make copies of my CDs in VBR MP3 format for use on my portable devices and home computers.

    3) I rip and convert my DVDs for use on my portable devices.

    Oh, and I do not always put caps back on pens, fold or hang my laundry, and every once in a while I also use the last of the toilet paper without replacing it.

    I also do not use a single bit of pirated or unpaid software (I would say "unregistered," but there are a few free packages like RealPlayer I refuse to register due to spam issues.) No, really. But sometimes I wish I did, as it seems the pirates have fewer hurdles through which to jump and are able to spend more time enjoying software than dealing with licensing issues.

  12. Irony by Alcoholic+Synonymous · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MS pushing copyright education (and the whole WGA thing) is somewhat ironic when you consider MS owes their monopoly almost entirely to piracy. And buy pushing this agenda, they actually are more at risk of pushing the install base to "get legal" with more economical alternatives (i.e. Linux).

    Had MS not been the required platform for gaming through the 90s, users would have been less likely to become familiar and congregate around it. Since home users constantly needed the new whiz-bang DirectX or 32-bit OS support to keep gaming, and the shear ease by which your average person lost the OEM install disc, the number of pirated systems grew. When it came time for the hardware upgrade, they got another copy of Windows with the box, and then a year later, pirated another version of Windows over it to keep up with the new gaming features again. For every $5 lost OEM install (C'mon, who really goes out and buys a copy of Windows?), they made a few $50 sales of Age of Empires or Halo, or a $300 (never actually priced it) sale of Office. So MS owes perhaps the majority of its install base to pirate upgrades.

    Had Vista not been such ass to deal with, almost certainly no one would be using XP today regardless of how awful it is. In one sense, it would just be a lot more logical for MS to declare Windows Home editions free for home use and keep that install base not looking over their shoulders and not learning about alternatives.

  13. Do they tell you how to work the OEM / CAL / coa / by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do they tell you how to work the OEM / CAL / coa / ETC rules that some IT people have a hard time working them selfs?

  14. I'm all for it by bgfay · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a high school teacher I'm all for this program.

    That's why I downloaded it over bittorrent, made fifty copies and am selling the curriculum to other teachers for $50 a copy (digital). I'm so glad that Microsoft has found a way for me to make some money.

    Thank you MS. You guys are the greatest!

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  15. No "Abstinence-only" education by wpegden · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have no problems with educating kids on copyright law, so long as it's done correctly. In particular, I am opposed to "abstinence only" education. While it is true that abstaining from file sharing is an effective deterrent to its harmful effects (financial ruin, bankruptcy, incarceration if the RIAA gets its way), studies have shown that students in abstinence-only copyright education classes aren't any less likely to download copyrighted materials. Therefore, classes should also cover "safer" downloading practices, which effectively avoid the scrutiny of law-enforcement and reduce chances of being the victim of harmful effects of file-sharing. The use of encrypted connections and anonymizing networks such as Tor, and basic techniques used to procure copyrighted material from newsgroups rather than insecure p2p protocols, etc., would all be covered in a well designed cirriculum.

  16. guaranteed to increase infringement by owlnation · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So...

    When a grown-up told you that something was naughty what was the first thing you did when their back was turned?

    Exactly. Expect copyright infringement to grow exponentially as a direct result of this MS program.

  17. all your posts are belong to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "However, by posting, uploading, inputting, providing or submitting ("Posting") your Submission you are granting Microsoft, its affiliated companies and necessary sublicensees permission to use your Submission in connection with the operation of their Internet businesses (including, without limitation, all Microsoft Services), including, without limitation, the license rights to: copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate and reformat your Submission; to publish your name in connection with your Submission; and the right to sublicense such rights to any supplier of the Services.

    No compensation will be paid with respect to the use of your Submission, as provided herein. Microsoft is under no obligation to post or use any Submission you may provide and Microsoft may remove any Submission at any time in its sole discretion."
    1. Re:all your posts are belong to us by jonfr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am pretty sure that this is an theft. Because Microsoft is taking the rights away from the creator of the art in question (ring tones for example. They hid this type of bullshit in there Eula, not in plain sight, but deep in there Eula and hope that nobody notices this type of clause.

      Social network sites (Facebook, MySpace, etc) also do this, that is why my profiles on there is mostly empty.

      But in short, this is an corporation theft, but they hide behind lawyers and some shadow explanations on this crap in there Eula. They don't tell kids about this stuff on there copyright web page. It doesn't fit them to tell them the truth, that they are making money on kids creations.

      I hope that this web page of there goes to /dev/null and never returns.

  18. Yeah, it could happen! by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Backed by a study that says teens show more respect for copyrights when told of possible jail time for infringement

    These are the same teens who are having unprotected sex, smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, driving cars at unsafe speeds, and continuing to indulge in drugs. Maybe if we told them about the consequences of those behaviours, they'd stop doing them as well.

  19. Pot, kettle, black! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Informative

    What about the wider subject of ethics? Pretty handy for MS to focus only on the area that is of interest to them while acting like complete bastards in other areas (offence to bastards unintended).

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  20. Re:Alternative Methods? by emjay88 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    1. "How would YOU like it if..." (fairness) MyBytes lets you choose whether the songs you create are "free" or "restricted". This has no effect on whether other users can download/remix/use your song. You can then see how many people are paying for (or not) the use of your song.
    From http://www.mybytes.com/help.html

    All users have the choice to either pay or not pay credits for songs they take, just like in real life. You'll get to see if other users like your tracks, and if they're giving you credit for using your creation. That sounds like "How would YOU like it if..."
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  21. Makes sense by Stanislav_J · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just like teens will stop using pot when told of possible jail time for toking. How could this possibly not work?

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  22. Jail time? Yes great plan by DebianDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes the "War on Drugs" and the threat of "jail time" has made drugs almost non-existent amongst the youth!

    So...
    1. Educate youth with FUD
    2. ...
    3. Profit!

    I have an idea. How about a fast OS you WANT to pay for?

  23. Silly Microsoft, tricks are for kids.... by NullProg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Kids want to share with their friends what they deem cool. When I was a kid, we shared electronics, books, tapes (copies), records (copies) and knowledge.

    The survey link results from the information week article is broken. The URL leads to:
    We're sorry, but we were unable to service your request. You may wish to choose from the links below for information about Microsoft products and services.
    So we don't even get to read the sampling/demographics on the kids they surveyed.

    Nevertheless, Microsoft wants to correct teens' woeful ignorance. To do so, it has turned to Topics Education, a developer of custom curricula, to create a curriculum called "Intellectual Property Rights Education" for middle school and high school teachers. The Microsoft-sponsored curriculum consists of Web-based resources and case-study driven lesson plans that aim to engage students about intellectual property issues.

    I will sue my local school district and Microsoft if they don't offer a counter curriculum called "Fair Use" and "Public domain". This course needs to teach kids about past copying abuses by Microsoft and how they used their Monopoly money to pay for the court sealed settlements that people are not allowed to read.

    To support its teachings, Microsoft has launched MyBytes, a Web site where students can create custom ringtones, share content -- "their own content," as Microsoft makes clear -- and learn more about intellectual property rights.
    To support my teachings to my kids on property rights, I've installed x/k/Ubuntu on all the computers in the house. They can create, share, sell, and distribute anything they what. They can even pass out Linux CDs to all their friends (they have). I teach my kids its OK to grab an MP3 off the main home server and play it on your MP3 player. Its not OK for them to give that MP3 away to their friends. I teach my kids the difference between ownership and free speech/ownership restrictive EULAs.

    In August 2006, the site was shuttered and this explanation was subsequently posted: "Despite the significant progress we made on addressing the concerns raised about the original Captain Copyright initiative, as well as the positive feedback and requests for literally hundreds of lesson kits from teachers and librarians, we have come to the conclusion that the current climate around copyright issues will not allow a project like this one to be successful."

    Here we go again, Microsofts favorite defender Captain Copyright. I forget what Captain Copyright said about Kerberos authentication. I also forget about what Captain Copyright did to the evil villains who were pillaging STAC. The DrDOS People counted on Captain Copyright but he didn't show up to defend them. What did Captain Copyright say again to the people who built their own computers without Windows? Oh Yeah, were thief's for not installing Windows.

    If Microsoft would just worry about writing good programs for computers (Apple/Linux/ARM/Palm/Whatever) and stop trying to be the cyber police I might look at their products again (!Not. BSD/Linux is much faster and less maintenance). Until then Microsoft is still just a marketing company which happens to make an O/S for PCs.

    My opinion (my animosity towards Microsoft does not equate to animosity for people who use Microsoft products),
    Enjoy.

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  24. Subvert it by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have no problem with education. Even about copyright law. So lets educate the kids. Lets teach them what cut of the profits the artist actually gets. Lets teach them the very limits of absurdity that the existing laws can support. Show them that the current laws are unfair not only to the consumer but also to the artist. Oh yeah and gladly take MS' money to do it. Oh they want to CONTROL THE CONTENT. Not a chance. Find another patsy. But we'll take your money happily.

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  25. Direct links to the "curriculum" by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Summary: http://www.ipreducation.com/ipr_curriculum_overview.pdf Lesson One: http://www.ipreducation.com/pdfdownload.php?pdf=IntellWhat_final.pdf&email=RIAA@sucks.tv Lesson Two: http://www.ipreducation.com/pdfdownload.php?pdf=RuleofLaw_final.pdf&email=RIAA@sucks.tv Lesson Three: http://www.ipreducation.com/pdfdownload.php?pdf=Music_final.pdf&email=RIAA@sucks.tv Lesson Four: http://www.ipreducation.com/pdfdownload.php?pdf=ProtectRespect_final.pdf&email=RIAA@sucks.tv On another note: Does anybody else find that ipreduacation parses as IP Reeducation, rather than IPR Education? More seriously, though. Let's go over this one with a fine toothed comb, work it up, and bury it along with Captain Copyright.