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Australia's Geekiest Man

An anonymous reader writes "Why have a key to open your front door when you can have an RFID tag implanted in your arm that will do the trick? Computerworld has a story up about the outgoing Linux Australia group president's hacked home, in which just about anything from watering the lawn, to opening his blinds, or checking the mail can be controlled through a software environment. Jonathan Oxer is an electronics and coding whiz who apparently has an RIFD tag implanted in his arm that opens his front door, and his front gate is hooked up with gigabit Ethernet — able to tell him when someone enters the property or send him a virtual email or sms to say he has real mail. Apparently the iPod Touch has just inspired him to begin linking all his little hardware hacks together into the one single, software controlled handheld touch device. I wonder if Steve Jobs ever thought the Touch would end up being used this way?"

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  1. Pretty damn cool by Corpuscavernosa · · Score: 5, Insightful
    But I can imagine that you might not always want to have your front door unlocked whenever you're near and I imagine it might be a pain in the ass to get out the Touch and disable it if there were some sort of emergency that required your door being locked.

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    1. Re:Pretty damn cool by Gription · · Score: 4, Funny

      So a good EMP is the only way to keep the people who kidnapped you out of your house?

    2. Re:Pretty damn cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you RTFA, you discover that the RFID tag does not open his door, it opens a virtual door in Second Life.

      In fact, everything presented in the article is quite mundane - he has linked a few hacked devices together using standard scripts.

      No uber-geek!

    3. Re:Pretty damn cool by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      you might not always want to have your front door unlocked whenever you're near

      This is exactly why UK versions of cars with proximity card ignition keys have this "feature" disabled. Buy a European version and it will unlock when you walk up to it. Buy a UK version, and you need to press the button on the card like pretty much any normal remote central locking. Car owners don't really want it, and insurance companies *really* don't want it.

    4. Re:Pretty damn cool by doctorsdad · · Score: 0

      Those of us who are a certain age frequently return to the door just after we've left because we can't remember if we locked it. Imagine always finding it unlocked!

    5. Re:Pretty damn cool by MikeDX · · Score: 1

      I don't know what cars you have tested this on but the Renault 197 and 225 that I have seen RFID keycards on, no buttons are necessary for use, however they do have normal central locking functions in addition to "automatically unlock" when you approach them.

    6. Re:Pretty damn cool by argiedot · · Score: 1

      It may not be the age. I used to do that lots, like twice or thrice, and I can just imagine how it would be with this thing in place. I'd hate it man, totally.

    7. Re:Pretty damn cool by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Funny

      A good EMP is all it takes to lock you out of your own house..

    8. Re:Pretty damn cool by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      It was the Laguna range I was thinking of, actually. Are the ones you've looked at UK-spec models? Maybe they've changed it now. I expect it's something you can easily flip on or off with the Elit tool.

    9. Re:Pretty damn cool by yada21 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure I saw it mentioned here once. Something about it having enough range that if he hung his key's in the wrong part of the house it opened the doors. Surely it's safer for the default to be that you have to do some action liek pressing a switch?

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    10. Re:Pretty damn cool by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much why they disable it. The RF plip on one of my cars only works when you press the button, and has a range of about 10 feet. One of the others has an IR plip that needs to be pointed directly at the receiver, so it really only works when you're right at the car. My daily driver doesn't have central locking at all, though, and that's kind of how I like it...

    11. Re:Pretty damn cool by MikeDX · · Score: 1

      Yeah both the 197s i test drove needed no button presses at all to open or lock. They were full UK spec (right hand drive, registered ukplates, etc)

      maybe they did change it more recently, this was an '06 that I tried it with, so that was at least 18 months ago

    12. Re:Pretty damn cool by pinkstuff · · Score: 1

      If it works like some cars, you still need to push a button to unlock the door, but the button won't do anything unless the RFID is near it.

    13. Re:Pretty damn cool by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      maybe they did change it more recently, this was an '06 that I tried it with, so that was at least 18 months ago

      It was when they first came out I heard about it. I could be talking out my arse though (what, on slashdot? Surely that's unpossible!?!!?)

  2. RFID? by calebt3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    How long until this gets hacked?

    1. Re:RFID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How long until someone freaks out irrationally about it?

    2. Re:RFID? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I've used the RFID kit he's installed on his front door before.

      There is absolutely no encrypted handshake between the RFID tag and the reader. Hence an attacker could VERY easily conduct a replay attack using an easily duplicated tag. Given that the tag he uses is implanted into his arm, anyone that walks past him on the street could steal his front door key.

      But I guess this isn't much of an issue for fellow geeks, because what sort of geek walks outside their basement and gets within the vicinity of other people in the first place?

    3. Re:RFID? by maxume · · Score: 1

      So he is more vulnerable to people who really want to get into his house without him noticing. People that don't care if he notices can just use a sledge. I expect more of the latter at my house, and still very few, so as a calculated risk, I don't think this is a bad one. Still, I don't want a chip in my arm, keys work fine.

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    4. Re:RFID? by mrkh · · Score: 1

      The difference is that this method wouldn't leave a trace and doesn't draw attention, so you could just wander in, take his stuff, and leave quietly.

    5. Re:RFID? by tumbleweedsi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is kinda how we got in the current mess with security in the first place. Some geek hacks together something cool (like SMTP) and never imagines that anyone would want to use his experiment maliciously (like spoofing the sender address) or thinks that by the time it is generally used it will have been developed further. 30 years later people are using broadly the same kit but in nastier world and the things that didn't seem to matter when it was an experiment on a small scale now matter a lot.

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    6. Re:RFID? by meowsqueak · · Score: 1

      At LCA2008 he accidentally 'published' his key with a reader while demonstrating something on the datashow. He quickly covered it up with a terminal window but people saw it and there was some laughter. I wouldn't be surprised if it's visible in the video on the website. Or, yeah, just walk past him with a reader. Silly idea - he obviously didn't think past the initial 'cool' phase.

  3. It's all been done. by ruinevil · · Score: 0

    Other than having a "one remote to control them all" wasn't this all implemented in the MS/Gates house like... a decade ago.

    1. Re:It's all been done. by shmackie · · Score: 0

      Maybe what makes this different is he didn't need a bazillion dollars to set it up.

  4. Virtual email? by dotancohen · · Score: 5, Funny

    What exactly is a virtual email? Can the system send him one when he gets a real email too?

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    1. Re:Virtual email? by johannesg · · Score: 4, Funny

      A "real" email requires a printer, a wooden table and some photography, as regular readers of http://www.thedailywtf.com/ are well aware. A "virtual" email is simply an electronic copy of one of those photo's, preferably in .doc or .ppt format.

    2. Re:Virtual email? by simong · · Score: 1

      A real geek would never condescend to use .doc or .ppt. It would have to be .odt or .odp at the very least.

    3. Re:Virtual email? by Thorwak · · Score: 0

      From TFA:
      To go even further - which Oxer admits having done just to prove a point - he can have the system trigger an event which sends an email into an object inside Second Life, which then creates a virtual representation of an email notification that there is physical mail to be collected - you've got mail to say that you've got mail.

      But I see your point :P

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    4. Re:Virtual email? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      feh real geeks do it in binary. try a little harder next time...i can't figure out if you just didn't get the joke, or are trying to make a really bad one...

    5. Re:Virtual email? by lukas84 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, real hippies would never condescend to use .doc or .ppt. Real geeks would use whatever tool is suited best for a given task, which may or may not Microsoft products.

    6. Re:Virtual email? by zehaeva · · Score: 1

      real geeks do it with a magnetized needle and a steady hand http://www.xkcd.com/378

    7. Re:Virtual email? by johannesg · · Score: 1

      Whooooosh! (sound of joke flying high overhead)

    8. Re:Virtual email? by MarkKnopfler · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.. Do I see a self-styled geek because he has 3 different machines at home ?

    9. Re:Virtual email? by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And when the hell would a .doc or .ppt be the best tool for sending an email?!

    10. Re:Virtual email? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I can see the recursion getting out of hand Total Recall style.

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    11. Re:Virtual email? by tonyreadsnews · · Score: 1
      Since its /. I'll help you out, FTA:

      To go even further - which Oxer admits having done just to prove a point - he can have the system trigger an event which sends an email into an object inside Second Life, which then creates a virtual representation of an email notification that there is physical mail to be collected - you've got mail to say that you've got mail.
      I'm guessing thats what is meant by virtual email
    12. Re:Virtual email? by raddan · · Score: 1

      Wait, what task is Microsoft Word best suited for? Separating me from my money?

    13. Re:Virtual email? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I can see the recursion getting out of hand Total Recall style..

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    14. Re:Virtual email? by dorzak · · Score: 1

      Probably just means one that didn't go out through an external server. Only delivered in the local domain.

    15. Re:Virtual email? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't realize Microsoft tools suck do you? Your definition of geek seems to be following whatever is easier with the CTO, not using the best technology. Come on then just name one product then that MS excels in technically and there is no superior commercial or open source product I dare you, "geek"...

    16. Re:Virtual email? by mkiwi · · Score: 1
      "...some photography..."


      I thought that was a rather nice way to put it.

    17. Re:Virtual email? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      That's still called email. In fact, that was called email _before_ there was a way to exchange them between machines.

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  5. link error by TheSpengo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pretty cool. I wouldn't worry about people hacking it too much though since it isn't exactly a common thing just yet. :) I should point out though, that the link goes to the 2nd page of the article rather than the first. :o

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  6. very touching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    very touching story... i wonder why he hasn't hooked up a moisture sensor to her gfriend yet? She doesn't have one? that's just sad...

    1. Re:very touching by Noishe · · Score: 1

      It's called a nose.

    2. Re:very touching by Bourbon+Man · · Score: 1

      As if he has time for a girlfriend with all of his geek projects

  7. Cancerous Police state much? by 7-Vodka · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just as an FYI for anyone considering this, implanted RFID have been known to cause a high incidence of cancer around the implantation area. There's research showing it in animal models, I found out after my pet had to have his RFID tracker replaced (they use this in pets to let vet offices identify your pet if it gets lost).

    Apparently the body doesn't like certain subcutaneous implanted foreign objects and cancerous growths build around it.

    The other issue I would like to point out is that putting RFID chips into people and treating them as cattle has for some time been a dream of the uber wealthy elite classes. This tracks back to the eugenics movement to present day. See Aaron Russo's documentary "America: Freedom to Fascism".

    As such, I would not be in a hurry to usher in the era of slave I mean people tracking.

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    1. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The other issue I would like to point out is that putting RFID chips into people and treating them as cattle has for some time been a dream of the uber wealthy elite classes.

      Why? By definition, people who are obscenely rich have lots and lots of money, which is a far more effective way to manipulate people than RFID tags. Come on, really, do you picture the super-rich saying, "man, what I'd really like is to be able to implant electronics into the working class so I can watch their every move"? They're rich. They have yachts, and private aircraft, and small islands, and can do anything they want with their lives... do you really think they give a shit about what time Joe Sixpack staggers home with some drunken bar skank?

    2. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The notion of people-tracking with RFID is a bit far-fetched, isn't it? These things have a pretty short range, maybe a few meters at most if I recall correctly. Tracking a person isn't going to do much good unless there were sensors everywhere.

      That being said, I'm also in no hurry to have any tracking devices implanted in me either.

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    3. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by jellie · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe you're referring to this article, which was discussed here several months ago.

      Inert objects implanted into the body cause fibrous encapsulation, when the body's immune system covers the implant with fibrous and connective tissues. I'm sure you probably noticed that the implant in your pet was covered in tissue after they removed it. The problem is that scientists haven't determined whether it's the RF scanners, the RFID itself, or the presence of an inert implant that's causing the cancer (or at least I'm not aware of any evidence of it). Having said that, I would never implant myself with a foreign object.

    4. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Why? For the pesky few who do not give in to dollar signs of course (or Euros as the case may be).

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    5. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by TapeCutter · · Score: 0

      "[The obscenely rich] can do anything they want with their lives"

      Including playing god with yours.

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    6. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Do you have any creditable reference for this? Because while foreign bodies can cause trouble, the RFID tags are or silicon encased, and those are pretty safe for other surgical implantations. They don't radiate a lot of energy, they do absorb and re-radiate a bit, but the amountn is very slight.

      A casual web search show so many casual rants without experimentation or real testing that it's difficult to establish a real one. It's as bad as the "vaccines cause autism" idea, which keeps having serious journals present real studies that show the safety. But it only takes one or two people with blogs and who actually have the problem, whether it is caused by the RFID tag or the vaccine or MSG or artificial sweeteners, to revive such an idea.

    7. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Funny
      Why? By definition, people who are obscenely rich have lots and lots of money, which is a far more effective way to manipulate people than RFID tags.

      I'm not uber-rich yet, but when I get there, I want my minions to have RFID tags as well as silver lycra bodysuits.

      It's a style thing.

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    8. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by jtgd · · Score: 0

      Because to stay rich, and become richer, they need you and Joe S. to submit and obey. If being tagged keeps you in line then, yes, they want that.

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    9. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by 7-Vodka · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You know something else that has a pretty short range, the toll pay transmitters you can use for toll roads.

      But guess what I recently found out, plenty of states are installing these detectors on the quiet on all sorts of roads, unmarked.

      The one official explanation I saw was that it was for traffic study...

      Not only is it fairly useless for traffic shaping, but when they pick up your ID off those things, it's linked to your CC or bank account, name address etc. And they are keeping records of where you've been with it. Do a little search I'm sure you can find more info.

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    10. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by Archimonde · · Score: 1

      "man, what I'd really like is to be able to implant electronics into the working class so I can watch their every move"

      o you really think they give a shit about what time Joe Sixpack staggers home with some drunken bar skank? You are taking organizations too simply. Maybe a guy at the top of a company doesn't give a flying fuck about tracking employees. But big organizations have many layers of management and there is a possibility that you can have some people actually reading/managing that RFID data.

      Management drone 1: Hey, I've seen that company X and company Y have mandatory implant policy.
      Management drone 2: Sure, we have to be on the competitive edge. I'll suggest that to my boss.
      Management metadrone1: Great idea, implement it!
      Company boss(es): (enjoying on some Adriatic island on their megayacht)

      I don't think all this will ever happen in near or semi-near future (except for the megayacht part) but I just wanted to point out that you are taking corporations way to simply.

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    11. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by GauteL · · Score: 1

      "By definition, people who are obscenely rich have lots and lots of money, which is a far more effective way to manipulate people than RFID tags."

      This only helps controlling people that play by the rules.

      There has always been a link between economic differences and crime. When the differences are very large, the super-rich are fantastically wealthy at the expense of more crime in society. For some, the solution is to make the economic differences smaller, while for others the solution is to spend more money on law enforcement, so that the economic differences can be very large without generating too much crime.

      The latter has always been difficult because it is hard to make law enforcement efficient and putting more money into it doesn't necessarily make it much better. Thus, this option has been limited. Any technological breakthrough in law enforcement would thus be a massive boon to people that want to keep large economic differences. Don't think they wont do it if they have a chance and they think it would help control the masses.

    12. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by thefirelane · · Score: 1

      Again, exactly what reason would they have for mandating this? Companies can already track employees since most have badge opened doors.

    13. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by S.O.B. · · Score: 1

      I agree that tracking people with RFID would be a challenge but considering the advances in the last 10 years or so it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that in the near future this could be possible.

      Of more immediate concern to me is that an unscrupulous criminal could pick up this guy's RFID as he passes by in a mall or on the street and intercept the RFID signal. He could then follow the guy home to find out where he lives. Then when the guy is not at home he could walk up to the house, reproduce the RFID signal and the house will open the door. Or worse, if it's a woman it would allow a stalker to walk into the house when she's at home.

      Because RFIDs don't have any security and criminals are ingenious and becoming more tech savvy every day it's just another and perhaps easier way to steal someone's identity.

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    14. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      implanted RFID have been known to cause a high incidence of cancer

      Those lying fucking aliens told me it was perfectly safe!

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    15. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by cparker15 · · Score: 1

      Just as an FYI for anyone considering this, implanted RFID have been known to cause a high incidence of cancer around the implantation area. There's research showing it in animal models, I found out after my pet had to have his RFID tracker replaced (they use this in pets to let vet offices identify your pet if it gets lost).

      Apparently the body doesn't like certain subcutaneous implanted foreign objects and cancerous growths build around it.

      Where's your proof? Keith Johnson? For all you know, this man is just spreading FUD because he doesn't like RFID.

      If the body builds tumors around foreign objects, why doesn't everybody with a piercing or shrapnel develop cancer?
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    16. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by dustmite · · Score: 0

      I don't really think anybody wants to "keep large economic differences". The rich are glad to be rich, but most of them are not rich *because* they're 'stealing from the poor'. Wealth is not zero-sum. Any humans can work hard and become wealthier without necessarily removing wealth from someone else. By "making the economic differences smaller", I presume you mean some mechanism for taking from the rich and giving to the poor (e.g. welfare). This is very dangerous, as it preaches a zero-sum economics model and gives people a sense that the rich owe them a living. There's nothing wrong with being rich, unless you got there unethically. It's silly to vilify the rich, because you can't aspire to be rich yourself if you think rich people are the devil. Eventually everyone is aspiring to the lowest common denominator.

    17. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would never implant myself with a foreign object. Must be a virgin....
    18. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why? They want more money.

      I do picture it, because it's already been done:
      http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/03/1847248&from=rss

    19. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when he says 'the super rich' you do not understand what he means. he does not mean some business executive from yahoo chillin on his yacht, he does not mean some lucky dude that won a multi million dollar lotto.

      if i understand him correctly he means the ultra ultra rich that have absolutely no need for money because they are the ones that issue our money (the federal reserve is not federal, it is a private, for profit central bank started by some of the wealthiest banking dynasties of our planet.)

      so, you see, for the most part they do not care what we do individually in our daily lives, but, you better damn believe they know they are being exposed (im sure the actual smart people that set up the system for their children to mooch off of did NOT expect anything as freedom inspiring as the internet, which imho is why it is under attack by crap like tcpa.) and they ARE afraid of what we might do if we start coming together in large numbers to overthrow their system.

      long story short, imo, the parent meant that these people no longer have a need for money, they have that part beat. what they want now is to consolidate their power even further, and to do that you need to be able to catalog people evenmoreso then we already do (ever seen an orig ss card? it said in bold letters "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION PURPOSES", now, you cant even get insurance without it.)

    20. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      I'm not uber-rich yet, but when I get there, I want my minions to have RFID tags as well as silver lycra bodysuits.

      Spandex - it's a privalege - not a right!

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    21. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not uber-rich yet, but when I get there, I want my minions to have RFID tags

      "Worship me or I will torture you. Have a nice day." - ozmanjusri

    22. Re:Cancerous Police state much? by NoMaster · · Score: 1

      Come on, really, do you picture the super-rich saying, "man, what I'd really like is to be able to implant electronics into the working class so I can watch their every move"? ... do you really think they give a shit about what time Joe Sixpack staggers home with some drunken bar skank?
      No. But I bet they've thought "hey, I can make money by selling that info to his health insurance company".

      But hey, if you're innocent, you've got nothing to hide - right?
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  8. Excessive? by multipass666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was always curious why futurists and cyborg fanboys get RFID chips implanted underneath their skin. What's wrong with just wearing one on a ring or perhaps a chain around your neck? Maybe both for multiple redundancy. Does it really happen THAT often you go to the pub for a few pints and comeback so drunk you've lost all your possessions? Does that slim probability warrant tagging yourself like cattle?

    1. Re:Excessive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you, no reason to get an implant when simply keeping it on your person is sufficient.

      For example, my car came with an rfid keyfob (infiniti, but other lux brands do the same). It's great, I leave it in my coat pocket and never have to take it out. Just press a button on the door-handle and it unlocks or locks as needed. Same thing with the ignition, no need to insert the key, just turn the knob by itself and the car starts. The seats recognize move to their pre-programmed position for my ass when it is my rfid in the drivers seat and a different position for my wife's cute little ass when her rfid is in the driver's seat. The only thing I wish it would do is automatically lock the doors once I get out of range.

    2. Re:Excessive? by Schiphol · · Score: 2, Funny

      I agree. In Barcelona, where I live, the VIP clients of Baja Beach Club have the option of having a chip implanted in their forearm so that they can enter the club without having to stop at the door (not a moment to waste! I have to go dance in my swimming trunks a-right now!) In this case, I think brainlessness rather than geekiness is to blame.

    3. Re:Excessive? by Hanners1979 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does it really happen THAT often you go to the pub for a few pints and comeback so drunk you've lost all your possessions?

      Yes.

    4. Re:Excessive? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Bingo!

      I have a Java ring I got back a long time ago at one of the shows when Sun was demonstrating their JM ibutton that could run code on it. It would be very easy to get a rfid ring made that will work not only good but have a way to disable the rfid from transmitting.

      But these guys like needled stuck into them, so they go that route.

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    5. Re:Excessive? by CmdrGravy · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does it really happen THAT often you go to the pub for a few pints and comeback so drunk you've lost all your possessions?


      On a worringly frequent basis, often without clothing, with inexplicable knife wounds or covered in leaves.
    6. Re:Excessive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it really happen THAT often you go to the pub for a few pints and comeback so drunk you've lost all your possessions?

      I'd rather not comment on that since I can't remember. By the way, have you seen my stuff?
    7. Re:Excessive? by kabocox · · Score: 1

      I was always curious why futurists and cyborg fanboys get RFID chips implanted underneath their skin. What's wrong with just wearing one on a ring or perhaps a chain around your neck? Maybe both for multiple redundancy. Does it really happen THAT often you go to the pub for a few pints and comeback so drunk you've lost all your possessions? Does that slim probability warrant tagging yourself like cattle?

      I just thought that they were stupid. I wear a watch nearly every where I go outside the home. If I were going to play around with home automation or tracking myself or other family members it would be through physical gifts that they'd keep on their person. Of course, it can be evaded. The system where RFID is injected into a person "can be" evaded as well, it's just much more difficult for your average person to remove.

    8. Re:Excessive? by StarReaver · · Score: 0

      It's kind of difficult to steal an implant. It's much, much easier to steal a possession on a hand or around the neck.

    9. Re:Excessive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "multiple redundancy" is my new favorite term :)

    10. Re:Excessive? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      The only thing I wish it would do is automatically lock the doors once I get out of range. How do you know that it doesn't?
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    11. Re:Excessive? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Or a wrist watch, card in the wallet, earring...
      Actually Gerard O'Neill in his book about space colonies wrote about an ID anklet that would unlock doors and allow you to buy stuff.
      He went with an anklet because wouldn't class with their outfit.

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    12. Re:Excessive? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is fn insightful, and also fn ironic coming from your handle

  9. Then again by fictionpuss · · Score: 4, Funny
    If you're being chased up the garden path then I'd choose the expediency of an RFID lock rather than fumbling around for keys - seen enough movies to know how that ends.

    What sort of emergency do you have in mind? No home security will deter a determined malicious threat from entering, but a gadgetted up house you could fully control with a device that fits in your pocket, could create enough of a distraction to escape.

    1. Re:Then again by Corpuscavernosa · · Score: 5, Funny
      True, most horror movies would have to skip that scene with this technology in place... sure wouldn't be too tense

      Yeah perhaps I didn't think that one through completely, but I'm just not comfortable with security measures being implemented or disengaged simply by proximity.

      Speaking of your distraction scenario, and clearly because I read too much /., I had a vision of all TVs and computer screens splashing goatse on the would-be evildoer. Something tells me that would at least confuse most anybody's plans.

      --
      We figured out a long time ago that it's easier to elect seven judges than to elect 132 legislators.
    2. Re:Then again by Tolkien · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More disturbing is that it's not *your* proximity. It's *your arm's* proximity. This technology could bring about a whole new and horribly gruesome form of breaking and entering. :|

    3. Re:Then again by Mathinker · · Score: 5, Informative
    4. Re:Then again by rabbit994 · · Score: 1

      Shotgun can take care of determined malicious threat without having to flee from own house type thing.

    5. Re:Then again by LordMidge · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I recently had the experience of using a car with a rfid key. It was the most annoying thing to use.
      Basically when you left the car you couldn't test if the car was locked because you had the key that meant it would automatically unlock. Thus someone else had to test to see if you'd locked it.

      If this is fitted to a house then you have the same problems.

      Does everyone who uses the house have to have this e.g. the house lock is fully automated. What happens when you have guests and you want just to leave the door open for the kids that are running round your house.

    6. Re:Then again by gethoht · · Score: 1

      Or you could use some other relatively small pocket sized device to help deter a malicious threat....

      Namely... A Gun!

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    7. Re:Then again by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's just a bad implementation. I have it as well and love it. the trick is that to unlock the doors you have to press a button which triggers the RFID tag. to start the car once inside it looks for the tag and then allows you to start it up.

      The button is on the door handle and works both ways. press once to unlock twice to unlock them all, if unlocked one press will lock them alll.

      For all RFID systems it shouldn't be all automatic there should still be a physical aspect to work with to unlock the item, even as simple as a button press increases security.

      Oh and my car is nothing fancy just a Nissan Sentra.

      --
      i thought once I was found, but it was only a dream.
    8. Re:Then again by Malekin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Speaking as an Australian, I'm quite glad this isn't really an option here.

      If handguns are to work at all to deter assault or robbery, a reasonably high percentage of the general population has to be packing. Unfortunately when there are that many guns floating around it's likely the assailant / robber has one too and all you've done is increased the chances of somebody getting killed rather than just mugged or robbed.

      In the end I'm not sure I buy the idea that handguns deter crime significantly anyway. Even if they did, given the rate at which they're used to inflict grievous harm by angry spouses, stupid children playing with them, and homeowners spooked by noises shooting themselves in the foot at night, I don't think having handguns distributed into society actually works to reduce overall human suffering.

    9. Re:Then again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No home security will deter a determined malicious threat from entering,

      Actually you are wrong. 10 gauge shotgun boobytraps will stop a determined malicious threat. Having a secondary arsenal that is semi automatic with a large drum of ammo and lots of stopping power (Bonus points for armor piercing rounds to take out those pesky body armor goons.) works very well.

      BTW, I know that someone taking a blast from a 10 gauge shotgun in body armor will get back up, but not very fast. It almost knocks them back by at least 1-2 feet and then they spend the next 10 minutes trying to breathe. better yet would be claymore trips at the doors and windows. If you rip arms and legs off the guy he cant get you.

      PS kids, if your home is getting invaded. Aim for the head arms and legs.

    10. Re:Then again by gravesb · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Amici briefs in the DC v. Heller case at the US Supreme Court have a ton of detailed, peer reviewed research on how guns impact crime. Its pretty interesting, and goes a long way to show that gun ownership drastically reduces crime. See, for example, this one.

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    11. Re:Then again by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

      yeah but we also know about that other movie, you know...the one where the computer comes to life and they have to send a robot back in time to ...

    12. Re:Then again by bkr1_2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I totally know how to jack with my OCD friend, now. I've been trying to think of a prank for a long time, and now you've come up with it for me. Excellent.

      --
      "Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional."
    13. Re:Then again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I could remember the movie, but years (ouch, decades) ago, there was a film where the 'bad guy' chopped off someone's hand to use on the palm readers in a secure building. Apparently they sensed the temperature as well as the palm print so he had a limited time to get through all the doors, and was sprinting the whole distance, slapping the bloody hand on palm readers as he went. The good guys are chasing after him and keep following a trail of blood drops on the floor and blood splattered palm readers through the building. It was very cool in a gross kind of way. The good guys foiled his evil plans, though I cannot recall how. The movie was lame other than the bloody hand chase scene, hence I have forgotten everything else about it. But that part was cool. .... run run run *splat* run run run *splat* run run run *splat* ....

    14. Re:Then again by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The worries you list are really just the result of a lack of education with guns. I grew up around guns, my father is an avid collector. I was taught at an early age what a gun was, how to use it and how to respect it. I dont like guns myself, I never felt the need for one. I do however think that gun safty should be a required course in schools. Guns are nothing more then tools, dangerous tools, but no more dangerous then a chain saw or a drill. As long as the person handling them is trained in their use and takes the proper precausions there is minimal chance of an accident.

      --
      I often have trouble remembering which way is out of bed in the morning.
    15. Re:Then again by FinestLittleSpace · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but you are just stating the obvious and ignoring the issue. The issue with guns is that aside from safe use they are a very effective and simple way to cause serious harm. It doesn't really matter if you personally are educated about their use, someone else might not be.

      I'm a brit, and for our culture the general consensus is that we're better without than with most of the time. Of course I could 'defend myself' if someone held a gun to my head if I had a gun, but if I had a gun, there'd probably be a lot more people also with guns who'd feel inclined to hold a gun to my head.

      It's a numbers game; even if there's a minority of mentalists, I'd rather not have to think about them getting guns any easier than they already can on the black market.

    16. Re:Then again by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      As long as the person handling them is trained in their use and takes the proper precausions there is minimal chance of an accident.
      If that person's trying to shoot you, it wouldn't be an accident.
      --
      It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
    17. Re:Then again by Nexus7 · · Score: 1


      Well then, they don't teach chain saw safety, or drill safety, in schools. Why does this reasoning justify teaching gun safety?

    18. Re:Then again by rabbit994 · · Score: 1

      That's fine, British have made a decision to ban all guns and put irrational faith in their government. However, your chances of getting a gun held to side of your head go up every year.

    19. Re:Then again by skarphace · · Score: 1

      Guns are nothing more then tools, dangerous tools, but no more dangerous then a chain saw or a drill.
      Ever tried to throw a chainsaw 100 yards?
      --
      Bullish Machine Tzar
    20. Re:Then again by dotgain · · Score: 1

      An episode of Red Dwarf did it too, Lister used the hand from his counterpart in a parallel universe.

    21. Re:Then again by SETIGuy · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Well then, they don't teach chain saw safety, or drill safety, in schools.
      They did at my high school. They also taught arc welder safety, belt sander safety, and acetylene torch safety. Have schools changed that much in the last 25 years?
    22. Re:Then again by Lewrker · · Score: 0

      And that is why the US is the safest country in the world.

    23. Re:Then again by MisterCaptainFunKill · · Score: 1

      Of course, that scenario ends with the girl running past a space-time anomaly that sucks the arm with the RFID into another dimension and she ends up locked out of the house. Been there, done that.

    24. Re:Then again by shellbeach · · Score: 2, Funny

      More disturbing is that it's not *your* proximity. It's *your arm's* proximity. This technology could bring about a whole new and horribly gruesome form of breaking and entering. :| I think you'll find the correct term is "armed robbery" ...
    25. Re:Then again by Malekin · · Score: 1

      I've taken the time to read through the document you link. First of all, it's not a peer-reviewed research document, but an amicus curiae brief, which is a very different thing. It may reference peer reviewed research, but it is written with specific motivation. I thought about writing up a long reply detailing specifically what I thought was wrong with it and why I ultimately found it unconvincing, but in the end life is too short. The highlights, however, were: comparing murder rates in the 1940s to today without acknowledging that one or two aspects of society have changed since then that have also affected the murder rate and equating various indication of crime in non-US countries without recognising that the cultures in these places are different. Honestly, some of the flaws in the document's reasoning were embarrassing and if this is the best argument for guns in society I'm absolutely astonished so many people subscribe to this point of view.

  10. Answering the question posed by patio11 · · Score: 5, Funny

    >>Why have a key to open your front door when you can have an RFID tag implanted in your arm that will do the trick?>>

    I can think of a number of reasons.

    1. You can give your key to a trusted associate, for example to housesit or run an errand for you. Giving your arm to a trusted associate is computationally intensive, destructive, and irreversible.

    2. You can, for the cost of less than one hour's salary, revoke the key tied to a compromised lock, and then issue a new key. If unforseen circumstances should cause the RFID lock to require revoking, well, bad news bears...

    3. Key/lock devices are well understood, hardly ever fail due to them having few moving parts which are almost never in operation, and are robust against almost all unforseen environmental conditions (i.e. power outage). Arm/RFID reader interfaces are poorly understood, by necessity have to be polling constantly, and are dependent on several fragile systems to maintain the key requirements that you be let into your house promptly any time you desire and that unauthorized users be rejected 100% of the time.

    4. You have designs of ever having a romantic relationship. ("Honey, I know preparations for the wedding have been a bit busy, but we'll have to schedule your surgery sometime this week...")

    5. A diligent attacker attempting to compromise your lock/key interface has no reason to attempt to compromise your shoulder/arm interface with a hacksaw.

    1. Re:Answering the question posed by slyn · · Score: 1

      4. You have designs of ever having a romantic relationship. ("Honey, I know preparations for the wedding have been a bit busy, but we'll have to schedule your surgery sometime this week...")
      Designs? I would guess most of us are in the hope/dreams stage of ever having one, but I don't think we have sunk so low to planning on stealing a wife.
    2. Re:Answering the question posed by syousef · · Score: 2, Funny

      4. You have designs of ever having a romantic relationship. ("Honey, I know preparations for the wedding have been a bit busy, but we'll have to schedule your surgery sometime this week...")

      If I recall correctly they used a big arsed needle to implant the microchips in my dogs and that was 8 years ago.

      Hey honey, bend over! This will only take a minute!

      Oops silly me, that was meant to go in your arm. I read the instructions wrong. Hey your options are that you can put your arse against the door to open it or we can do this again in your arm. Which do you pick?

      --
      These posts express my own personal views, not those of my employer
    3. Re:Answering the question posed by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Such an RFID key is like a password. It requires storage of the valid keys' information on the lock itself, and such control is built into RFID based locks and other devices. I agree that such devices are not yet stable: the field is evolving too fast to have consistent and reliable tools for long-term use.

      The trick with your future spouse is to get an RFID lock implanted for your partner's sexual organs, for a real geek chastity belt. Of course, being this much of a geek is a bit of a chastity belt in itself.

    4. Re:Answering the question posed by hyfe · · Score: 1

      1. You can give your key to a trusted associate, for example to housesit or run an errand for you. Giving your arm to a trusted associate is computationally intensive, destructive, and irreversible.
      I don't normally make stupid, redundant posts, and I apologize for this one..

      .. but anyone describing cutting of your arm as computationally intensive is A-OK! in my book.

      --
      "" How about taking the safety labels off everything, and let the stupidity-problem solve itself? """
    5. Re:Answering the question posed by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be ridiculously easy to intercept the information sent out by the RFID tag? Just walk by the house owner with a portable reader and record. Or install another reader outside the guy's house. Seems to me that a challenge/response system would be much safer, if it really needs to be wireless.

    6. Re:Answering the question posed by KillerCow · · Score: 1

      6. You can copy an RFID tag remotely (within 10 meters, or whatever it is). Copying a physical key requires physical access (or a really good close-up photo). That one alone is enough to make me not want to do it.

  11. I can see one drawback by Jailbrekr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    While having total control of your surroundings with a single remote control sounds fine and everything, one thing it will not make any easier is getting laid. In fact, I would dare say that the man is going to find it considerably harder to get his weiner whacked by someone other than himself.

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    1. Re:I can see one drawback by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about big ass dumb pretend geak chicks? never cunt them out /i know... i know... i can count characters/

    2. Re:I can see one drawback by oedneil · · Score: 0

      Yes, but think of the possibilities for teledildonics integration!

    3. Re:I can see one drawback by pvanheus · · Score: 2, Informative

      From TFA: "He has a young family that live in a seemingly normal home in suburban Melbourne." Sucks to make assumptions, doesn't it?

  12. Bah! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 0
    Hardly a Geek if he leaves home!

    A real geek would have this lock on the door to his basement.

    --
    Engineering is the art of compromise.
    1. Re:Bah! by Wudbaer · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is still MY basement !

      Your mother

  13. Research much? Scare easily? by andersh · · Score: 5, Informative

    implanted RFID have been known to cause a high incidence of cancer around the implantation area

    Known? Implanting "subcutaneous foreign objects" might cause cancer, see the quote below. And the research done on mice indicates it typically happens in one percent or two.

    "It's important to emphasize that those studies are not necessarily sufficient to view these implants as known hazards. The data suggest that the devices foster cancer by causing inflammation of the tissues that encapsulate them. There is a large amount of scientific literature linking cancer and inflammation (the National Cancer Institute has some information on the matter). RFID tags turn out not to be the only form of animal tagging that causes cancer through inflammation; standard metallic ear tags can do so as well. That paper also notes that there have been a number of case reports where human prosthetic implants have induced cancers in the surrounding tissues.", taken from Ars Technica

    1. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by crenshawsgc · · Score: 1

      The fact that is might still cause or promote cancer means I'll sit the next round out.

    2. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Either way, embedding foreign objects into ones body can't be a good thing. If it was, there would be no need to bother about stem cells to generate replacement body parts.

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    3. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      I always wondered why sticking pieces of metal in to your body was fashionable (earrings) or cool (nose, bellybutton, and other places).

      Although I wouldn't mind getting a RFID tag in my arm so I can log in to computers and stuff like that instantly.
      The chance of cancer (minimal) is worth the convenience.
      There are far worse causes of cancer in our lives every day.

    4. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Well those practices aren't modern, as far I've read/seen, they come from way back in human history.

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      "Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
    5. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by 7-Vodka · · Score: 1

      Hah. It's funny, I googled your quote and read that entire article. It seems you selectively left out bits like this one.

      Should the FDA have approved the devices, given the animal data? Probably not without some basic studies of their potential to cause inflammation in humans. Although the animal reports are relatively obscure--the AP report quotes a variety of cancer researchers as being completely unaware of them--it's the FDA's job to find relevant research. Clearly, they dropped the ball here.

      While you can argue over whether single digit percentages are acceptable risk to you, it is a fairly high number when you talk about using these on everyone, which is the scale I'm referring to. In the US alone 2% of the population translates to 10 Million people.

      It might not seem like a big deal now, when the people willingly implanting themselves are the freaks. Wait until a good majority of the population is using RFID chips for money transactions and other facets of daily living, would it be easy to opt-out then?

      I'd like to point out that the people in charge of the monetary systems of the world are the ones pushing for this. There are weird PR campaigns to promote these as human implants already.

      The US is becoming a police state. You are being lied to by your government and your corporations. Your Freedom and Liberty are disappearing. This is under the guise of stopping illegal immigration and 'homeland security' (isn't that nazi-speak? didn't hitler rave about securing and protecting the homeland and the motherland?).

      I was shocked to hear someone on TV say they got their whole family implanted "after 9/11 because it would make them safer". I'm sure it did :-/

      --

      Liberty.

    6. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

      I was shocked to hear someone on TV say they got their whole family implanted "after 9/11 because it would make them safer". I'm sure it did :-/

      You can mock all you like, but how many times has a building that they were occupying had an aircraft crash into it since the implantation?
    7. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by maxume · · Score: 1

      Do you eat peanut butter?

      See:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut#Peanuts_and_Aflatoxin
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aflatoxin

      Aflatoxin is also found in corn and other grains. Generally small amounts that aren't a big deal.

      I think it is stupid to cut yourself open and stick in a little chip, but the cancer risk is pretty far down on the list of reasons not to do it.

      --
      Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
    8. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by kabocox · · Score: 1

      I was shocked to hear someone on TV say they got their whole family implanted "after 9/11 because it would make them safer". I'm sure it did :-/
      You can mock all you like, but how many times has a building that they were occupying had an aircraft crash into it since the implantation?


      By that logic, I use my regularly reading of slashdot and also regularly going to the bath room as the real reasons that we've not had any more major instances of terrorism in the US.

    9. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a joke, son.

    10. Re:Research much? Scare easily? by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Actually, reading Slashdot will kill you. I guarantee that if you read Slashdot, even once, sooner or later, you will die!

      --
      When someone says, "Any fool can see ..." they're usually exactly right.
  14. Re:Does Slashdot only hire Aussies now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Perhaps it's the world's way of telling you that you should get a job and live normal hours like the rest of us - then you won't be up when the Australian stories get posted.

  15. Fearmongering? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm a doctor, and I haven't heard anything about what you claim. Think about it, we put pacemakers and defibrillaters in people all the time, and there is no appreciable increase in cancer around these implantation sites.

    As far as the body is concerned, it would see a little pellet lined with a coating. Many pacemaker housings are titanium, so if this is metal-lined, I do not see any possible way this could cause cancer being the low level radio emitter it is. I'd be happy to review any reputable journal articles if you can link, but a quick medline search does not reveal support to your claim.

  16. My friend has developed similar system by jsse · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and were planning to sell it to China.

    The system contains everything you could imagine: in-house tracking system, motion detectors, remote messaging control and web-interface administration, integration with all electronic household appliances for whatever control you could think of doing, including but not limited to gardening and feeding your dogs.

    He even got VC supports to build the actual products; but then, I asked him one question: "what about power outage, which happen so frequently in China?"

    He thought briefly and said "We could include an fuel-powered, emergency backup power supply for my system."

    "Well, when there's a power outage, those house appliances cease to function as well..."

    He then thought more deeply and said "Then we must kick in a bigger fuel-powered, emergency backup power supply for the entire house!"

    He's now selling household fuel-powered emergency backup power supplies and really good at it.

    1. Re:My friend has developed similar system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "He's now selling household fuel-powered emergency backup power supplies and really good at it."

      Iow, he's given up on the idea of being an innovator, entrepreneur, to being a generator salesman?

      You say this like it's a good thing...

      I think most people realise that they're not going to be able to microwave their popcorn or turn on their a/c's during a power failure. And you shouldn't need a conventional generator to keep *critical* systems alive during even the longest of power outages. A solar panel on the roof and a few decent batteries and Bob's your uncle... Obviously scaled up or down depending how frequently and lengthy your power failures are (here in Africa I'd need at least 40 solar batteries and a fearsome bank of solar cells to have any chance of power 24/7).

    2. Re:My friend has developed similar system by das_magpie · · Score: 1

      Solar and a decent battery might be good here aswell.

    3. Re:My friend has developed similar system by jongi_ct · · Score: 1

      Mhhh, what's you friends name, give me his email as well or let him send a CV to ESKOM Power station in South Africa. We are currently experiencing power outage here. His household fuel-powered emergency backup power supplies might help. Even the government is asking us to sleep early to save power.

    4. Re:My friend has developed similar system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "household fuel-powered emergency backup power supplies" is possibly the longest way of saying "generator" I've ever seen.

    5. Re:My friend has developed similar system by Corwn+of+Amber · · Score: 1

      Lol. Keep with the time, here's a tech dating back to the 40s and NOW on sale for real people too: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/20/0429200

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    6. Re:My friend has developed similar system by adolf · · Score: 1

      But "generator" doesn't tell the whole story.

      "gas-fired generator with automatic transfer switch" is close, but only four characters shorter than "household fuel-powered emergency backup power supplies".

      I think he did OK with that description.

  17. Fire away wise guys by coljac · · Score: 4, Funny

    For all those who are about to make wisecracks about this dude, by all means go ahead.

    Just pause for a moment and admit to yourself that you were thinking what language *you* would be scripting the curtains with.

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    1. Re:Fire away wise guys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No thinking time needed. Visual Basic, of course.

  18. Implanted??? by syousef · · Score: 1

    I'm not having anything implanted in me. Not that I was a major contender but if that's what you have to do to get geek cred, I'm outta here.

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    1. Re:Implanted??? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      No tattoos? No vaccines? No earrings? No tongue piercing (which I have to admit from experience, has its delightful uses)?

      The difference between these and an RFID tag implantation is minor. I just don't like the idea that the sensors at various shipping companies can tell when I walk near them. What's next?

  19. fine line by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is obviously a nanothin line between a "geekiest man" and a complete moron.

  20. Shows commitment by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny
    Got an RFID tag... well just about everyone has one these days for their office id card or whatever.

    Got an implant.... now that shows you're into it.... or at least it's into you!

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    Engineering is the art of compromise.
  21. Don't Eat Anything! by andersh · · Score: 1, Troll

    The fact that is might still cause or promote cancer means I'll sit the next round out.

    The fact? The suggestion that it might is enough to make you avoid it? The OP claimed it caused cancer in a "high number" of cases. That was blatantly untrue in fact, there was no evidence to back up his claim.

    I certainly won't bring up the discussion on what foods cause cancer and at what rate. Or how much sun you can take before you get skin cancer. The fumes from your house or ground gas might cause cancer. Or the petrol in your car. Never mind fried foods. Come on, there are risks everywhere. Some are smaller than others.

    But if the possibility that it might is enough for you: don't eat anything.

  22. Awesome! by Wobble-U · · Score: 1

    I've always wanted to do that sort of thing (less the RFID tag)! Unfortunately I lack the money :(

  23. Refuting those. by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    1) For a trusted babysitter (as if a real geek has babies or goes out), you issue a temporary RFID key that only lasts for the night/whatever.
    2. Xacto knife.3. You're a geek, so you don't really go out anyway.
    4.Inflatable dolls don't mind or want to be hitched.
    See 3.

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    Engineering is the art of compromise.
  24. Re:Dad's RFID blogger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only slightly offtopic, but not what I'd call a troll.

  25. Hmmmmm..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 3, Funny

    Every time I read a story about people implating RFID tags into themselves as a means of "keyless entry", it always reminds me of that scene in Demolition Man where Wesley Snipes pulls out the warden's eyball so he can get past the retinal scanner in the Cryoprison.

    --
    Knowing Google's lust for data collection, the Soviet Union is still alive and well inside the psyche of Sergey Brin....
    1. Re:Hmmmmm..... by cheater512 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      a) That wouldnt work. The eyeball needs to be alive.
      b) If your in that much danger then your screwed anyway.

    2. Re:Hmmmmm..... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      a) That wouldnt work. The eyeball needs to be alive.

      How recently?

      b) If your in that much danger then your screwed anyway.

      Not necessarily.

      If someone just wants your keys you can give them to him.
      If he requires your body parts as keys he'll take those.
      If those body parts require you to still be alive, then you get to go with them.

      The only scenario with a reasonably high probability of you being left unscathed is the one in which you can give them the keys.

      I don't want to work for an employer whose idea of security is to rely on a criminals distaste for violence, dismemberment, or kidnapping -- because I can't see any of those reliably slowing one down one bit.

  26. Favor me with a short answer by bitspotter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My understanding of "RFID" tags is that since they are powered by the energy broadcast by the reader, the tags themselves can't do very much in terms of computation. As a result, they are limited to parroting back a static serial number (though a long one, or part of it) that's determined when the tag is manufactured.

    This means that the tags themselves cannot do any encryption at all.

    If this is the case, why the hell would anybody want to use it to gain secure access to anything when anybody nearby the tag with an RFID reader can read the serial number and spoof the tag?

    This would be like writing your credit card number on the front of your shirt - //in infrared ink//. Sure, you'd need fancy infrared optics to read it - but why the hell would you take that chance?

    Is my understanding flawed, here? Are there newer RFID tags that actually can do crypto (and are people like those in TFA using them)? I may be wrong in any number of ways, so I'm looking for some more solid info.

    1. Re:Favor me with a short answer by moonbender · · Score: 4, Informative

      Passive RFID chips can do some computation themselves, and many can do crypto, but it's extremely limited. For instance, the ubiquitous Mifare chips used for opening doors and even payment systems use proprietary crypto - and it's very broken, anybody with very simple tools can listen in and copy the code.

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    2. Re:Favor me with a short answer by GauteL · · Score: 1

      "My understanding of "RFID" tags is that since they are powered by the energy broadcast by the reader, the tags themselves can't do very much in terms of computation."

      There are different kinds of RFID tags. The passive ones require no battery power, but very little but respond with a simple serial number (although there have been some development around this). The active ones has battery included and can do all sorts of things but are more expensive and has a shorter lifespan.

      I suggest looking this up on Wikipedia if you need more information.

    3. Re:Favor me with a short answer by Arcleo · · Score: 1

      Others have commented on this, and given the amount of work and funds that the subject from the article put into the house I'm sure there is more to opening the door then just the RFID signal. If the entire house is controlled from through a touch interface, it would be trivial to write a script which could send an encrypted message to the door to open, and the door will only run the 'unlock' command if the RFID tag is in the vicinity. I'm probably not explaining this well, but makes sense in my head. SSH into whatever server is running the lock software, give unlock command, door checks for RFID signal and unlocks. Need to both run the command and have the RFID signal to open it up. Least that's the way I'd do it.

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    4. Re:Favor me with a short answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Your understanding is flawed, because his system--while still not perfect--is more secure than a typical lock.

      To break into his house, an attacker must now buy specialist hardware to read RFID tags, and then get close enough to him without arousing suspicion to read the key data from his tag. This is not equipment I would expect 99.999% of burglars to have access to.

      The average yale lock, however, can be opened in seconds by anyone with a pick gun or bump key, neither of which require a lot of skill to operate.

      Not that it matters though, because I would expect most burglars would smash whatever lock they find rather than trying to circumvent it.

    5. Re:Favor me with a short answer by caluml · · Score: 1

      This would be like writing your credit card number on the front of your shirt - //in infrared ink//. Sure, you'd need fancy infrared optics to read it - but why the hell would you take that chance? Security through obscurity is no security at all. I write all my credit card numbers on my shirts in big letters.

      Mr 4928 4116 5106 9912 04/11 763
    6. Re:Favor me with a short answer by JackHoffman · · Score: 1

      Here's the short answer: RFIDiots, 35 minutes into the presentation. More Shmoocon 2007 presentations.

    7. Re:Favor me with a short answer by RpiMatty · · Score: 1

      Why bother with the RFID tag at all then?
      You already have a secure path to issue the unlock command, the RFID tag doesn't add anything. Plus without the tag you could unlock the door why you are inside, to let a visitor in.

      My wife and I are talking about buying a house, so I've been dreaming up all the ways I could automate various parts of it. This guy is giving me some ideas.

    8. Re:Favor me with a short answer by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Is anyone else reminded of those lifelock "Identity theft protection" commercials?

    9. Re:Favor me with a short answer by aembleton · · Score: 1

      I think I'd use a metallic key.

    10. Re:Favor me with a short answer by z4pp4 · · Score: 1

      Are there newer RFID tags that actually can do crypto (and are people like those in TFA using them)?
      Yes. But typically to save money and for the sake of symplicity, RFID systems will be passive.
    11. Re:Favor me with a short answer by autophile · · Score: 1

      I know that the animal-type RFID's do not use crypto. They just spit back a serial number.

      I'm sure that an RFID that can do crypto would be more expensive, though, since it would need much more power.

      --Rob

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    12. Re:Favor me with a short answer by Jozef+Nagy · · Score: 1
      He's referring to 2 factor authentication. You not only need knowledge in the head (password to login via SSH), but also a physical device (RFID tag). Of course it's more secure than single factor authentication. Even if someone knows your password, they still need the RFID which adds another step to the process. People have discussed ways to trivially spoof the tag, but nevertheless the more steps involved the less likely a criminal is to succeed.

      You already have a secure path to issue the unlock command, the RFID tag doesn't add anything.


      See above.
  27. Never say never? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    "Having said that, I would never implant myself with a foreign object."

    Pacemaker, skull plate, bionic ear, bone pins,...?

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    1. Re:Never say never? by jellie · · Score: 1

      Well, I didn't think those needed to be said, but yes I would. I suppose you could add other things like absorbable sutures too.

      Hmm, I hadn't heard of the term "bionic ear" for cochlear implants before. Kind of a creepy name if you ask me.

    2. Re:Never say never? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I come here to feed my pedantic urges, doesn't eveybody? ;)

      The implant was created here in Oz by the University of Melbourne and a private company. I think 'bionic ear' may be (or was) a trademark or company in the early commercialization. I can't remember all the details but for some reason the term stayed in common usage here in Melbourne. Incidently, a wiki search for bionic ear shows it understands strine.

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      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    3. Re:Never say never? by vivian · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wouldnt implant myself with any of thoe things either - I'd get someone else to implant them in me.

  28. linux.conf.au presentation by dns_server · · Score: 1

    The presentation mentioned in the article that he gave at linux.conf.au was "Hardware / Software Hacking: Joining Second Life to the Real World". Part 1 Part 2 Slides

  29. Jon Rocks by laptop006 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But we have geekier people.

    Like, say, Andrew Tridgall who at a recent event (linux.conf.au 2008), instead of socialising decided to reverse engineer the Sony eBook reader.

    Although the blog post with photos of how he put the RFID in himself was one of the most distrubing things I've ever seen on the internet (I guess because I've worked with him).

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  30. Oh - good, only 1-2 of every 100 people get cancer by agentofchange · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You say only 1 or 2 mice out of 100 got cancer like it's a small amount.

    I'm not taking those odds. There's roughly 300 million people in the US. If we gave them all implants and the same percentage of people got cancer that's 30 to 60 MILLION people!

  31. Jobs Shmobs by EveLibertine · · Score: 2, Funny

    I wonder if Steve Jobs ever thought the Touch would end up being used this way?" Who cares what Steve Jobs thinks? He's got nothing on Jonathan Oxer.
  32. Why the iPod touch? by DingerX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean a N800 runs Linux out of the box and has most of the bits and pieces already available for the remote control uses he describes. And, being not only a Linux geek, but a Linux geek motivated enough to hobble together his own house, he should recognize that the Touch's strength is in doing the small number of factory-approved tasks, but doing them really well, while the N800 excels in doing whatever you want, provided you can figure out how to do it. I'm just saying, it's a better fit.
     
    But when you look at home automation like that, do you ask yourself "how much time a day does he spend installing and maitaining his automatics?"

    1. Re:Why the iPod touch? by nfractal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Considering a few years down the line ... I think Google might have had a good point calling their platform 'Android'

    2. Re:Why the iPod touch? by Jozef+Nagy · · Score: 1

      That was exactly my first thought. I have the N700 (?), their first gen model. It's a completely open platform. Nokia encourages its user base to hack around with the device. In fact, they're hoping that a community builds up around it and achieves critical mass to allow the device to enter the mainstream. Given the choice, I'd use the Nokia tablet for any kind of general purpose "central command" device. Obviously if you already own a smartphone and rather than have 2 devices would prefer to use that, then I can see why you'd go that route. No reason you can't whip up something in .NET and put it on a WinMo smartphone if you already have one.

  33. One? by davburns · · Score: 1

    So, implanted RFID have the same promise as proximity cards did. Just have one card, and open all your locks!

    I have six cards now. I've tried to get provider n to use card 1..(n-1), but that's never worked (I guess they sell more cards that way? But then I have to carry more cards!) That's annoying if they're taking up space in my wallet. But if each one had to be injected, I'm thinking this would not work out.

  34. OT by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I would guess most of us are in the hope/dreams stage"

    I for one am well past the "take the cheque and fuck off" stage, I've survived the "working single dad" stage and the "middle age disco heart attack" stage. I think the "indifferent old fart" stage is next, I'd ask dad but he's in the "surprised to be alive" stage and mostly just grins like a child.

    Go away, I don't have a lawn!

    --
    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    1. Re:OT by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Indifferennt old fart isn't bad. You can amuse yourself at the adventures of the youngsters. "Thank you, yes, I tried writing my own source control system, too. Now go install git."

  35. We've got that beaten by Sockatume · · Score: 1

    Kevin Warwick, self-professed cyborg and self-evident uber-geek.

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    No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
    1. Re:We've got that beaten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't forget self-publicising self-lover.

  36. Full Interview by BeeBeard · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is there a reason why the summary doesn't link to the full interview?

  37. No Science, Silly Math by andersh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If we gave them all implants and the same percentage of people got cancer that's 30 to 60 MILLION people!

    No, I said the OP claimed a HUGE percentage got cancer when in fact they don't. Secondly there was no research done on humans, and mice are not humans.

    The fact that 1-2% could even possibly get cancer does not mean 30-60 million people will get it. Science is a bit more advanced than that. I'm not giving you any credit for your math skills. In fact it's probably unlikely they will get cancer at all from this "potential" threat. You are just making outrageous claims from no evidence what so ever.

    I would take those odds, they're really quite good, but I don't want to be tagged none the less.

    1. Re:No Science, Silly Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You both don't get credit for your math skills. One to two percent of 300 million is 3 to 6 million. Better luck next time

  38. Hmm, sounds cool, but... by BlizzardandBlaze · · Score: 1

    All I have to do is hook all these scripts up to a wireless web server and let hackers unknown take total control of my life! Brilliant! =P

    Seriously though, what he's doing is pretty damn cool. It would be nice to do stuff like answer your door without leaving your computer. I'd just make sure that everything is offline and that I implement manual overrides into the system just in case it gets hijacked or the power goes off.

  39. Why have a key to open your front door....? by PipingSnail · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Why have a key to open your front door when you can have an RFID tag implanted in your arm that will do the trick?

    • Because I don't want the door to open just because I'm near it.
    • Because I don't want the door to lock just because I'm not near it.
    • Because I don't want to be locked in if there is a power failure.
    • Because I don't want to be locked out if there is a power failure.
    • Because I don't want cancer caused by the implant.
    • Because its a damn stupid idea..
    • Just because its a use of technology doesn't make it clever or cool.
    • I'm sure some of you can think of other reasons I haven't enumerated here.

    RFID tags and proximity cards (like on some cars) are not a good replacement for a key. They do not behave the same way.

    We have a modern key-less system at the local swimming pool. Keys have been replaced with a wristband with a single button about the size of a UK 5pence piece (a dime in the US I think). Most of the time they work well. But when the conductance isn't quite right (usually the surfaces are too wet) they don't work. In a swimming pool and the changing rooms, the chances of things being too wet, is er, rather high. A different pool I go to uses real keys. I never, ever have a problem opening a locker at that pool. The key does what it is meant to do, that is, be a key, not a clever, technology over-engineered replacement for a key that requires operator intervention by the key creators to fix malfunctions.

    We have a lecturer (professor?) here in the UK that does stupid stuff like this all the time. Gets him in the media. I'm sure he loves it. Really, really sad. Why don't people use their creativity a bit more usefully?

    1. Re:Why have a key to open your front door....? by blankinthefill · · Score: 1

      How is this not useful? You know that in the not too distant future, all of these things are probably going to be pretty common in new houses, because they make things easier and faster, and thats what people want. The people doing this now are exposing flaws in ideas that would have to be taken care of before they would be viable in the market. While a lot of these flaws may seem to be self evident, I would bet you that most of them would be ignored if NOT for people like this guy, trying them... and, sadly enough, people like YOU ripping on them for trying something interesting. Besides, if they have fun doing it, then WHY DO YOU CARE? Its THEIR leisure, and THEIR idea of fun... and I can sure as hell think of worse things they could be doing instead.

      As to your bullet points (which seem to be the major sticking points to most people here...)

          1. Place a low power, shielded reader in a specific place on the door (only facing outside, if that what you want). This means that the door won't unlock till you wave the tag past a small area around and near the reader. Hence, the door only unlocks when you want it to, not any time you are around.

          2. Include a replaceable, rechargeable battery to the reader. Allow it to charge when the powers on. If the power goes off, make sure its a good enough battery that it can run for, oh, say 24 hours. Or more, I guess you could upgrade it to whatever you wanted, really. And since the house is wired anyways, its not like it would be that hard to rig something that would report when your battery was dead, so you could replace it.

          3. As was stated before, there is no research showing it causes cancer IN HUMANS. And the data from the mice it was tested on showed percentages of 1-2%... not a large percentage, and I'm sure that some easy monitoring could determine if you are one of the few that it did affect, IF it does. And hell, as was also pointed out before, who says you have to get an implant? Put it in a ring or a necklace or a bracelet... it would still be faster and easier, without the implant!

      That takes care of your three main concerns, the others being personal prejudice that I can't do much about. And to the people who point out the case of the stolen finger and the car thieves, an RFID tag can be implanted ANYWHERE. The reader can also be placed just about anywhere. So how is a thief going to know where yours is? Besides, its not like you can pick up a house and take it away... so after you break in once, what use is there to being able to break in again and again? If you're using the RFID tag as a means of breaking in, I'm pretty sure when the person goes missing, or turns up dead or whatever, you lose that route of entry... and if you're not, then the RFID has NO effect on the situation at all!

    2. Re:Why have a key to open your front door....? by NoMaster · · Score: 1

      Place a low power, shielded reader in a specific place on the door (only facing outside, if that what you want). This means that the door won't unlock till you wave the tag past a small area around and near the reader. Hence, the door only unlocks when you want it to, not any time you are around.
      Congratulations. Now the robber knows exactly which bit of you to cut off in order to enter your house. See, "security through obscurity" is handy sometimes...

      Include a replaceable, rechargeable battery to the reader. Allow it to charge when the powers on. If the power goes off, make sure its a good enough battery that it can run for, oh, say 24 hours. Or more, I guess you could upgrade it to whatever you wanted, really. And since the house is wired anyways, its not like it would be that hard to rig something that would report when your battery was dead, so you could replace it.
      I used to work with large and small UPSs & emergency power systems. Here's how the system envisaged in you last sentence works.

      1) Semi-annual manual test shows backup battery is good.
      2) 1 week later, weekly automatic routine test declares "backup battery is good".
      3) 3 days later, power goes out. Backup battery is no longer good; falls over immediately.
      4) When power returns, system reports "backup battery failure".

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    3. Re:Why have a key to open your front door....? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why have a key to open your front door when you can have an RFID tag implanted in your arm that will do the trick?
      • Because I don't want the door to open just because I'm near it.
      • Because I don't want the door to lock just because I'm not near it.
      • Because I don't want to be locked in if there is a power failure.
      • Because I don't want to be locked out if there is a power failure.
      • Because I don't want cancer caused by the implant.
      • Because its a damn stupid idea..
      • Just because its a use of technology doesn't make it clever or cool.
      • I'm sure some of you can think of other reasons I haven't enumerated here.

      "Cancer! Failure! Stupid! Don't want!" You are being miserable in a discussion on Slashdot. Your only reaction to this man's joy has been scorn. I pity the others in your life.
  40. (Sniff, sniff) "OK, who's cooking the pork roast?" by hyades1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Even without having met him, there's one thing I can tell you about this gentleman with absolute certainty: He does not number among his friends anybody with a warped sense of humour and knowledge of the term "induction field".

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  41. Sounds like the number of the beast to me... by zaphle · · Score: 1

    My 2 cents.

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    And what if there's nothing behind the door until it is being opened?
  42. home automation with ipod touch by catwh0re · · Score: 1
    i've been controlling my lighting with my ipod touch for a while now, the touch interface plays nicely with dimmers etc.

    If you want to hack this together, buy some x10 units (which happen to have web interfaces) write up some perl and glue it to an iphone app.

    1. Re:home automation with ipod touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buy some x10 units (which happen to have web interfaces)

      I wish they did.

      Unfortunately the highest level X10 interfaces you can get are to RS232 and USB. An X10 interface to Ethernet would rock, but there's no sign of it appearing on the market. Using a separate computer for the interface to Ethernet misses the goal by a fair bit, which is to keep your home automation running autonomously without relying on your "real" computers.

      The closest you can get to the ideal situation currently seems to be to dedicate a Linksys NSLU2 or similar as a USB to Ethernet adapter, but that's a bit of a pain, and is certainly not turnkey.

  43. Pfft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This shit was old when clueless self-publicist Captin Cyborg ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Warwick ) did it 10 years ago.

    Slow news day?

  44. gigabit Ethernet by ROMRIX · · Score: 2, Funny

    and his front gate is hooked up with gigabit Ethernet

    Does that help the gate open/close faster?
    1. Re:gigabit Ethernet by bazorg · · Score: 1

      depends on how hard you pull the string... i mean, gigabit ethernet cable.

    2. Re:gigabit Ethernet by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      Is it an XOR gate or a XNOR gate?

      -b

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  45. Re: Average Joe by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    No, they seem to enjoy watching the average Joe take a flight with anything electronic manufactured after ENIAC. It must mean he is a terrorist, because Good Little Citizens only bring 4th hand beach novels onto planes. Oh wait. Those could be dangerous too if he has a lighter.

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  46. Dutch guys with wired house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If you thought Orwell or the tv program "Big Brother" was bad, check out these Dutch guys:
    http://www.bwired.nl/ for a house that does have a video camera inside the mail slot.

  47. Prior art ? by ravelox · · Score: 1

    Back in 1998, Kevin Warwick did a similar thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Warwick This led to claims that he was slightly looney :D

  48. Re:Oh - good, only 1-2 of every 100 people get can by funny+money · · Score: 2, Informative

    You say only 1 or 2 mice out of 100 got cancer like it's a small amount. 1 or 2 out of 100 === 3 to 6 million of 300 million. Maybe you need a chip in your brain to assist with your Math.
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  49. Not my first choice by Toasty16 · · Score: 1

    When I read the headline I thought the article would be about this man. My mistake.

    1. Re:Not my first choice by ihatethetv · · Score: 1

      here here! Dan would kick that guys ass!

  50. Prior Art by ddrichardson · · Score: 1

    Meh, it's been done before - 10 years ago:

    On Monday 24th August 1998, at 4:00pm, Professor Kevin Warwick underwent an operation to surgically implant a silicon chip transponder in his foream. Dr. George Boulous carried out the operation at Tilehurst Surgery, using local anaesthetic only.

    This experiment allowed a computer to monitor Kevin Warwick as he moved through halls and offices of the Department of Cybernetics at the University of Reading, using a unique identifying signal emitted by the implanted chip. He could operate doors, lights, heaters and other computers without lifting a finger.

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  51. Home automation controller by jcr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The iPhone and the iPod touch are both excellent devices for controlling a house. Now we need USB or Wi-Fi enabled thermostats, garage door openers, door locks, etc. X-10 was a cool idea for its time, but it's showing its age.

    -jcr

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  52. Re: Average Joe by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

    If you can get anything manufactured at the time of ENIAC (Including, but not limited to, ENIAC) then i'll be impressed. Most of the security would assume such a complex mess of wires and components in such a non-modern case must clearly be a bomb or some form of cyberterrorism device.

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  53. They could kill you and use you as key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    > "Why have a key to open your front door when you can have an RFID tag implanted in your arm that will do the trick?"

    They could kill you and use you as key! .. something where you still need your brain working (like a number-code or a password) to open the door would be way more secure -- in both ways :-)

    cu,

    jan

    1. Re:They could kill you and use you as key by Brieeyebarr · · Score: 0

      A system that required you to be alive would be more secure in that you could kill yourself to protect whatever was behind the locked door, but you couldn't stop the intruder from just killing you after he unlocks the door.
      One advantage to implanting an RFID tag in your arm as a key is that it would be incredibly hard to lose. If the system was reliable, you would never be locked out! I'm surprised none of you guys thought of that one, it's the most obviou- oh wait ... this is slashdot.

    2. Re:They could kill you and use you as key by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Yup, no way to extract a key from somebody. Unless, of course, you code in some sort of 'duress' code that opens the door but triggers a silent alarm or something. But you're still not required to be alive at this point.

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  54. Chop chop chop by davro · · Score: 0

    I have a meat cleaver and i am coming to get your door key!

    Chop, Chop.

  55. Why indeed by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Why have a key to open your front door when you can have an RFID tag implanted in your arm that will do the trick?"

    Because you'd like to attract women at some point? /joke

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  56. Not to rain on anyone's parade by thegnu · · Score: 5, Funny

    but you could just have a regular old key as backup. It's just a theory, though. Like evolution.

    And gravity.

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    1. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by Forseti · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you need to carry a key with you everywhere as a backup, the purpose of the RFID implant is a bit defeated, don't you think?

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      Delay is preferable to error. (Thomas Jefferson)
    2. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting your key out is SUCH A HASSLE, especially when you have your hands full (eg, with shopping). Also, he could do what a lot of people do, and have a way to get into your house that only you know about (a secret entry, a key hidden on the property somewhere, a loose second-story window, etc). Many people here leave their houses poorly secured and doors left open, especially on hot days.
      To those who say "the door must unlock every time he's near it" - what's stopping him from using a directional array aimed at his front porch/landing/path? It could also have a time limit (say, 2 minutes) between when you lock the door and when it will re-unlock - that way, it only triggers when you come back.

    3. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by MatB · · Score: 1

      Nah, convenience of not reaching into the pocket or pulling out the chain--some people'll keep the key in a secure pocket in a bag or something instead.

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      Mat Bowles
    4. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by Forseti · · Score: 1

      But if you're going to carry around something that can be stolen anyway, why not just have the RFID attached to something on your person rather than being implanted? You could have it glued to your watch or something, easier to change that way, and no risk of infection.

      It's the implant part that I find ridiculous if you're going to bother carrying a key around...

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      Delay is preferable to error. (Thomas Jefferson)
    5. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by MatB · · Score: 1

      Honestly? Not sure either way. Advantage of the implant is that it can't be lost, whereas keys, etc can be. When I leave the house, I always double check to make sure the house keys are in my pocket, my fiancée left hers at work last week, she'd taken the chain she keeps them on off in order to not get it caught while changing a barrel. If I hadn't been in, she'd have had to call the relative that has the spare set. If you've got a chip, then you can't forget to take it, you can't leave it out accidentally, and if you get mugged they can take the key, your watch, your wallet, but not the chip.

      Not sure I (or many others) would be prepared to go that far yet, but I can see uses for it, especially for the naturally absent minded (like me).

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    6. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by knarfling · · Score: 1

      Not really. It is a matter of convenience.

      Think about remote entry of vehicles, and look how widely they are being used.

      Come to think of it, that would be nice for a door lock. Rather than something implanted, a simple button to push to unlock the door would be nice. I wonder why that isn't done more often?

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    7. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you get mugged they can take the key, your watch, your wallet, but not the chip.

      That depends if they are holding you up with a knife or not.

    8. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by Forseti · · Score: 1

      So, we've got kind of a chicken-and-the-egg situation here:

      The big advantage of the RFID is that you can't forget or lose it, which is useful for the absent-minded. Some may say that it also can't be taken from you, but if someone is willing enough it CAN be stolen, only in a much more painful/dangerous way for you. Also, it can be disabled temporarily or permanently in a multitude of ways, so you need a backup way to get into the house. Solution? Carry a key around with you everywhere as a backup. Result: you're back to carrying something around with you everywhere you go that can be lost, forgotten or stolen. Back to square one, only now you have an expensive and intrusive device in your body that can potentially be used to track you at medium range. Have I got that right? Sign me up!

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    9. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by Idiomatick · · Score: 1

      WTH kind of nerd are you? I'm disappointed to hear people on slashdot of all places dismissing injecting electronics. I get enough of that at home. Its always 'omg why are you bleeding this' or 'why would you want to install linux in your arm anyways' or 'how do you change the batteries on that'. God damn naysayers.

    10. Re:Not to rain on anyone's parade by Jojie_T · · Score: 1

      That is already widely used and comes with newer cars. It's called the garage door opener.

  57. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > do you really think they give a shit about what time Joe Sixpack
    > staggers home with some drunken bar skank?

    Yes. Because if they can identify which behavior Joe is going to make next they can find a way to make profit off it. Either buying sixpack stock, selling stuff to bar skank, or maybe Mr. Rich has a grudge against Joe personally and just notifying Mr Police Officer that a drunk is at X can get Joe in trouble.

    How do you think they GOT the money?

  58. Captain Cyborg by gilesjuk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kevin Warwick (aka Captain Cyborg) did this years ago. Having a chip implanted for the purpose of opening doors etc.

  59. Checkout Jon's presentation at LCA 2008 by msevior · · Score: 1

    Jon showed how you can interface second life with the real world at LCA 2008.

    Videos here http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2008/Wed/mel8-039a.ogg
    and here: http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2008/Wed/mel8-039b.ogg

  60. Then you are a lousy doctor by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 1

    There is a huge difference between a pacemaker and these RFID capsules and a pacemaker.

    First there is the ethical difference, a pacemaker makes a sick person better. A RFID capsule is NOT medicine. First do no harm, ever heard that?

    Second, the pacemaker is not injected into tissue but rather implanted in the body. The cancer is claimed to be caused be the tissue surrounding it becoming inflamed.

    There is a huge difference between implanting a device in a person via surgery who would otherwise die and injecting a device into healthy tissue into a person who has got nothing wrong with them. If you can't see that, you suck as a doctor and for that matter as a human being.

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    1. Re:Then you are a lousy doctor by Akira99ex · · Score: 1

      He said they don't cuase cancer... how do ethics apply to RFIDs causing cancer?

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    2. Re:Then you are a lousy doctor by neapolitan · · Score: 1

      I am confused by your vitriol and scattered arguments. I posted AC while finished tasks and during downtime on call at the hospital, and really can't figure out why you post this crazy response.

      >First there is the ethical difference, a pacemaker makes a sick person better. A RFID capsule is NOT medicine.

      I never claimed that they were ethically the same. Maybe you should re-read my post. I'm not signing anybody up, or recommending that they get RFID implants. I am also not personally or professionally in favor of a number of things like this (tattoos, extraneous piercings), but I do feel obliged to provide factual information (or at least information best supported by the scientific process) if I can.

      >First do no harm, ever heard that?
      Unrelated ad hominem arguments, ever heard that?

      >Second, the pacemaker is not injected into tissue but rather implanted in the body. The cancer is claimed to be
      >caused be the tissue surrounding it becoming inflamed.

      You obviously do not understand how a pacemaker is implanted from your statements. Most of the time they rest in the subcutaneous space, exactly where a RFID device can be implanted.

      >There is a huge difference between implanting a device in a person via surgery who would otherwise die and
      >injecting a device into healthy tissue into a person who has got nothing wrong with them. If you can't see that,
      >you suck as a doctor and for that matter as a human being.

      WTH? This is just sad. I feel sorry that you have clearly been experiencing a hard life, but insulting other people will not make it better. You are simply a disgrace. It is a shame that users such as this pollute the internet -- well reasoned responses are drowned by a series of silly posts and drive intelligent people from the forum. Back in the 1980s, USENET was a heaven for university professors, intellectuals, and engineers. Now it is eternal september.

      As I said, the coating of the RFID implant would primarily determine how it is received by the body -- usually foreign objects are "walled off" by fibroblasts and become ensheathed in a fibrous capusle. While any increased cell replication poses risks of cancerous transformation, this, to me, would not be excessive, and less than a standard pacemaker.

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    3. Re:Then you are a lousy doctor by dustmite · · Score: 1

      WTH? This is just sad. I feel sorry that you have clearly been experiencing a hard life, but insulting other people will not make it better. You are simply a disgrace. It is a shame that users such as this pollute the internet

      Troll. You are implying that nobody is ever allowed to get angry about anything because it denotes instability. Bull, it's just a normal human emotion, suppressing it through stigmatisation and insults is disgusting behaviour.

      Perhaps there was a misunderstanding, perhaps you just lack certain social graces in 'communicating yourself across', but when I read your anonymous post I *also* picked up a tone suggesting the same interpretations that the GP picked up. Clearly he's not the only one, it was something in your post.

      Your arguments are also not exactly indicative of a healthy scientific mindset; you even admitted spending almost no time on it, and yet from that you boldly asserted that it is absolutely impossible that there might be any differences between this and a pacemaker. There are many differences that could lead to increased potential for cancer.

    4. Re:Then you are a lousy doctor by neapolitan · · Score: 1

      No, no, no.

      >Your arguments are also not exactly indicative of a healthy scientific mindset; you even admitted spending almost
      >no time on it, and yet from that you boldly asserted that it is absolutely impossible that there might be any
      >differences between this and a pacemaker. There are many differences that could lead to increased potential for
      >cancer.

      Please calm down. Being rational is often a very good thing:

      >You are implying that nobody is ever allowed to get angry about anything because it denotes instability.

      Getting angry about a quite mild post on an internet forum is excessive IMHO. I'm not angry, and I do not think he should be either. This has nothing to do with "nobody is ever allowed to get angry about anything." If I hurt his sister, yes, he could and should get angry.

      I didn't do anything very emotionally charged -- the thing I find most disturbing is that he clearly confused saying "I don't see any way this should cause cancer" == "advocacy for a product" and came out with a bunch of personal attacks. For the record, I don't think RFID implantation is a good idea at all. I also don't see any way they could cause cancer. Saying "Obama does not beat his wife" does not mean "I am going to vote for him," even though many people get hot and bothered by any defense of something unpopular in the local group.

      >you even admitted spending almost no time on it

      This is what I do for a living. I spend a LOT of time on related questions. If I ask a engineer if there is any way that using changing amounts of carbon in steel formation could lead to premature failure, he could spend almost no time on it, and his thoughts would be much, much more valid than any of mine.

      >boldly asserted that it is absolutely impossible that there might be any differences between this and a pacemaker.

      "boldly asserted that it is absolutely impossible." Where did I do this? I'm again surprised at the lack of rationality of this statement, SmallFurry/dustmite. Please read up on rhetoric and straw man arguments. I even clearly stated that I spent almost no time on it, as above. If implantation of a general subcutaneous device led to appreciable rises in cancer, I should know about it from multiple studies looking at outcomes of generally implanted devices, which I am intimately familiar with. You make the same incorrect arguments as the person above.

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  61. That answers my question by hilather · · Score: 1

    Appearently sprinklers CAN run linux. And here I've been using Windows all this time...

  62. Because... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Why have a key to open your front door when you can have an RFID tag implanted in your arm that will do the trick? Because someone, somewhere, will think, "Hmm, if I chop off that guys arm, I can get into his house."
  63. Finally... by martin_henry · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have proof that my girlfriend is wrong.

    I am not Australia's geekiest man!

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    1. Re:Finally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is your RoboGirl 3000 doing?

  64. Re:Then again - careful what you wish for by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 3, Funny

    a gadgetted up house you could fully control with a device that fits in your pocket, could create enough of a distraction to escape.

    Shhhhh! Do you really want to give the movie studios any ideas and then have to sit through "Home Alone Version 4.0"?
  65. his ideal situation... by pomakis · · Score: 2, Insightful
    FTA:

    "My ideal situation would be, for example, to be able to take a video feed from a camera near the front door and have that fed through to the home automation controller, which is a machine running Linux and a whole bunch of these scripts...and if someone rings the doorbell you could pull up a full motion video stream to see who it is and then use the controllers to unlock the door and let them in."

    So... his ideal situation (which he hasn't actually manage to achieve yet) is to do something that the security systems in most apartment buildings have been doing for decades.

  66. Why wouldn't you want that?! by Techmaniac · · Score: 1

    ...because the government or some freak-show hacker can disable the systems to your RFID signature. Effectively shutting you down. No more access to your home, no more control of your identity in public. If I want to be branded like livestock, I'll get a Chinese character or barbed wire tattoo.

  67. Denial of Ingres attack by PipingSnail · · Score: 1

    Something I haven't seen mentioned is that because this is an RFID tag it should be possible to deny ingress or egress to the property by swamping the radio spectrum used by the tag. That should be reasonably easy to do. Effectively a Denial of Ingress attack. So you could lock this Australian guy in his own house (or lock him out) and he'd have no answer. Short of turning the system off and using a real key of course.

    As I said in my previous post, its pointless. Replacing a low tech, no wires, super low maintenance solution with technology, power, etc. Completely the wrong direction. Not even environmentally friendly, the manufacturing costs (including the polution for the silicon parts etc) for the tech version are going to be way higher than for the key version.

  68. Re:Oh - good, only 1-2 of every 100 people get can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1-2% of 300million = 3-6 million.

  69. Next Generation by PPH · · Score: 1
    Combine RFID technology with position sensing technology so one could signal various functions with gestures (like a Wii remote). Wave your hand left to right in front of the TV set to switch channels, up and down to control the volume.


    Down side to this: System detects rapid hand movements on front of TV set playing p0rn. Mr. Clippy pops up with, "You appear to be jacking off. Would you like some help with that?"

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    1. Re:Next Generation by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Eeeeuuuuuwwwwwww...

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  70. Why no bluetooth door locks? by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

    I've always been surprised that no-one has implemented a bluetooth door lock. While RFID is notoriously insecure, a simple, encrypted bluetooth session should be easy to set up. Charging of the lock could be done either through a battery or through an induction system. You could have a manual key lock operation but in most cases either open the lock by syncing with your cell phone or pass some data over the link.

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  71. Not that strange by Dracorat · · Score: 1

    At least not me I guess. I have RFID security and devices at my house as well (in the U.S.) - I just don't have a chip in my skin but that's mostly because I haven't found a doc that will do one. I've been searching though.

  72. ustralia's Geekiest Man? NOT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Australia's Geekiest Man
    I doubt that, what level Dungeon Master (TM) is he?
  73. Re:Then again and again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many mass shootings in the US have there been in the last year?

    With studies like that it'd be interesting to know what other changes have been made over that period? such as harsher sentencing and more people stuck in jail. etc.

  74. Typical Unix geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typical Linux fanboi. It all works, but it looks like ass.

  75. Finishing anyone? by CountryJustice · · Score: 1

    Not to lose sight of the point at hand (and forgive me if this was already covered), but if the guy is going to go to all the trouble and expense of digitizing his house, why wouldn't he spend a few extra bucks to make it look good? Those exposed cables and motor for the curtains? The bare electronics on the door mechanism? The above-ground water line of the sprinkler system with the timer seemingly anchored to nothing? It all looks like crap. It might be handy, but I'd be embarrassed to show it off.

  76. And this big fuss over this is because? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this only notable because he's implanted a chip in himself?

    I don't like to big-note myself, but a couple of years ago I established an orchard and built my own automated irrigation system for it. It's cobbled together using some top of the line soil moisture sensors, a decent weather station, solenoids, flow meters and pressure gauges. I had a mate who is very nifty at electrical engineering build some custom electronics to interface a few of the things that didn't speak RS-232. Because of the size of my operation, it wasn't possible to run wires between the sensors and controlling computer, so I used some small embedded PC's from Soekris to interface with as many controllers and sensors that are nearby and to relay the data and control commands via an 802.11g mesh.

    The systems sit in small weatherproof enclosures mounted on permapine posts and are powered via a small solar PV panel and backup battery. They're completely solid-state, with 512MB CF cards holding the Linux OS and code. Data is relayed via SSH back to the central controlling computer in the equipment shed, which is another Soekris board, but has a 30GB laptop hard drive for logging data into a MySQL database. Originally I had it hooked up to the internet via a dial-up modem, but when Telstra switched on its HSDPA NextG network I switched to using that. The increased bandwidth is handy and since then I've supplemented the on-site weather stations data with observations and forecasts scraped from the Bureau of Meteorology's website. I've also added a few webcams in as well, so now from the comfort of my home or day job I can log into my system and check up on what's happening up on the orchard (I go work on it for a weekend once a fortnight) - I can manually override the irrigation system or just let it do its thing. It has a PHP-based web interface that allows me to run queries and stuff and I can export data for offline analysis. E.g. I can plot a graph of daily rainfall over a period (not much in the last few years!) and compare that to daily irrigation volumes.

    The irrigation model is pretty cool as well. I use data from the on-site weather station to predict evaporation rates and when the next irrigation event will have to be. I also use observation and forecast data from the BOM website to further enhance that and so if irrigation is due in the next 48 hours and the BOM says there's a good chance of it raining then the system will hold off as long as it can for the rain (why pay for water and power for pumps when the sky can give it to you for free?) If it doesn't rain enough then the system will "top it up" with some irrigation. It also uses temperature observations and forecasts to work out the best time to irrigate as well to minimise evaporation losses - so if irrigation is due, but the next day and night are going to be much hotter than the next day it will hold off until then (provided the soil moisture content doesn't cross the critical threshold).

    It saves quite a bit of water over similar operations which is great with the severe restrictions we have on water usage now, but that's mainly down to the moisture sensors. Savings in the last year are a bit more though now that I've worked in the BOM forecasts. I'm still fine tuning it too, and it's going to take some more years yet to get it all bedded down properly as the trees mature and come into production, which means different irrigation requirements that are also further modified by a changing fertiliser regime. I plan on calling in an irrigation consultant then though to help me fine tune the irrigation scheme properly. I'm still unsure on just how much autonomy I should grant the system as I don't have an unlimited water allocation and if the prediction system goes nuts then I could use up my allocation and be up for a big bill to buy more water on the open market to keep the whole enterprise going. (If it dies then I've just thrown away hundreds of thousands of dollars) I guess over time I will continue to tweak it and my confidence in allowing it to run it

    1. Re:And this big fuss over this is because? by thexile · · Score: 1

      No you can't since you are not the Linux Australia group president.