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Gen Con Files For Chapter 11

Heartless Gamer writes to tell us that Gen Con LLC announced late last week that they have filed for Chapter 11. This move will not affect the still profitable Gen Con Indy event which will still happen August 14-17, 2008. "This action became necessary as a result of significant unforeseen expenses associated with attempts to expand its core business to encompass externally licensed events. [...] The protections afforded by Chapter 11 will allow Gen Con to further its efforts to address its liquidity needs, preserve value for its creditors and explore strategic alternatives for the business." Evan writes to add that this is the result of LucasFilm suing GenCon.

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  1. This is a result of Lucasfilm litigation by Obiwan+Kenobi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just FYI, this filing is a direct result of Lucasfilm suing Gen Con for a lot of deception regarding "Celebration IV" that occurred last year.

    As taken from this story on TheForce.net, here is a summation of the charges:

    1. Gen Con failed to uphold its legal obligations in terms of financial reporting, accounting and payments to Lucasfilm ($500,000 in damages)
    2. Gen Con did not give auction proceeds to Make-A-Wish as they had agreed to do ($150,000 in damages)
    3. Gen Con did not give Lucasfilm their share of the auction proceeds ($150,000 in damages)
    4. Gen Con did this all unjustly ($150,000 in damages)"

    1. Re:This is a result of Lucasfilm litigation by poetmatt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FYI,

      Its a "to be determined 500k" meaning they don't know that it's accurate. I don't know what Gencon did/didn't do, but bankruptcy stays any legal matters....therefore, until they get out of bankruptcy (or judge allows the case to move forward), Gencon gets a get out of jail free (temporarily).

    2. Re:This is a result of Lucasfilm litigation by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
      2. Gen Con did not give auction proceeds to Make-A-Wish as they had agreed to do ($150,000 in damages)

      If true, which may well not be the case, that's got to have a pretty big load of bad karma attached to it...

    3. Re:This is a result of Lucasfilm litigation by Afell001 · · Score: 3, Informative

      A friend of mine went through a nasty divorce a few years back, and his wife was able to hold up the divorce proceedings for nearly a year by filing for bankruptcy. This made it so that she was able to collect separate maintenance checks (half his paycheck, since she "conveniently" quit her job a couple months before she filed) as well as live in the house he was paying for and forcing him to move out. Since the house and mortgage was in both their names, it was also tied up in the bankruptcy, which left him in legal limbo when he tried to find another place to live (not many landlords will rent to someone whose house is tied up in bankruptcy and has several liens against it). Needless to say, he paid through the nose to finalize the divorce. She, on the other hand, took several trips to Vegas and at least one trip to the Bahamas with her new boyfriend, while he was living at my house eating PBJs and ramen, and working like a dog to keep his good credit from being completely destroyed. Yep, I know full well about this tactic. It's a nasty way to stave off any kind of court proceeding until it is resolved. My friend ended up paying half his income for a year and a half (roughly about $150,000) just because of it, and then spent most of the rest of his income paying for lawyers, child support and making payments on a house he couldn't live in. Be careful who you marry, is all I can say if you are looking for a moral to this story.

    4. Re:This is a result of Lucasfilm litigation by poetmatt · · Score: 2

      I hear you there. People don't realize how bad nuclear families are....if you have kids but are domestic, you don't sign on things together either. People live in this 1950's "lets get married and have a SO + kids together"...get tied down, get screwed. I'm sure maybe a girl one day will motivated me to get married but I'd certainly prefer a domestic partnership that is not legally bound or something...at least you have LESS to worry about like that, although not "nothing to worry about".

      I don't know how divorce goes in bankruptcy but I am amazed that the stay was a year. I've heard of 2,3,5 months but from what I hear a year is rare. Of course that's what SCO is aiming for, no doubt.

  2. d20 by Webs+101 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess Gen Con failed the saving throw.

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    1. Re:d20 by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      from the missed-their-saving-throw dept.

      I guess Gen Con failed the saving throw.

      Yeah, we got the joke the first time.

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  3. Anyone else hope by Moryath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    that this might, JUST might, get them to move GenCon back to Milwaukee where it belongs?

    I mean, seriously - they bitched and moaned about "not enough hotel space" being the prime factor when by moving it just one weekend later they WOULDN'T HAVE TO COMPETE FOR HOTEL SPACE WITH FUCKING WISCONSIN STATE FAIR.

    Then the very next year at GenCon Indy - "not enough space in the dealers' room, we're growing out of all the hotel space we can find in Indy..." bah.

    Move it back to Milwaukee where it belongs. I miss taking my buddies to The Safehouse.

    1. Re:Anyone else hope by Peter+Mork · · Score: 4, Informative

      As much as I love The Safehouse and its back door, you do realize that GenCon is called GenCon because it belongs in Lake Geneva, right? I fondly remember MECCA as much as the next guy, but to equate that location with GenCon denies the history of the event.

    2. Re:Anyone else hope by isomeme · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sometime around 1975, when I was about 13 years old, we were planning to visit my grandparents near Milwaukee one summer when I realized that the fabled GenCon would happen right in the middle of our visit. I managed to work out a ride to Lake Geneva for one day, a glorious day which still lives in my memory as THE GEEKIEST DAY EVAR. I won a copy of the SPI game StarForce in a raffle within moments of arriving, and it just got better from there.

      So, yes: For some of us, Lake Geneva will always be the true home of GenCon.

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    3. Re:Anyone else hope by kria · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um, GenCon Indy is the thing that keeps the rest of GenCon's failures running. It's been hugely successful in Indy, and from what I understand the locals are much friendlier. I can't attest to friendlier, having never attended elsewhere, but I can definitely say they are friendly. Restaurants tuning tvs usually on sports channels to sci-fi channel and decorating with old hall banners, special pins over at Hard Rock, that kind of thing. I had heard that things were somewhat less amicable in the old location.

  4. This was a triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm making a note here... HUGE SUCCESS!

  5. Re:What the hell is a Gen Con by spun · · Score: 2, Funny

    Silly troll. Gen Con is one of the oldest, biggest, and most prestigious gaming conventions in the world. You know, Dungeon's and Dragons? Video games? Oh, why do I even bother, you're just being insulting to get a rise out of people. Even if it was a furry/anime/cosplay thing, why do you care? No one is rubbing your face in it, making you watch. Do you hate America? You know, land of the free? Do you hate that people are free to do what they want? Would you like to tell everyone what they can and can't do? Why are you even on this site? Go back to freep or AOL or the foxnews forums or whatever dung-heap you crawled out of, Slashdot is not the place for the likes of you.

    There, you got a rise out of me, are you happy now?

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  6. If it's true by rossz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If what LucasFilm says of GenCon, then they need to be crushed. Stealing money from dying children? It would be very difficult to do something more scummy.

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    1. Re:If it's true by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm sure that perception is what LucasFilm is counting on. But is it true? Does anyone know anything about this?

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    2. Re:If it's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting take and some blatant BS.

      BS first...Reneging on a (n alleged) promise to donate to charity is not stealing. Putting your hand in the cookie jar and taking a wad of cash out without permission would be.

      And the interesting part...So GenCon is expected donate their proceeds to charity while Lucas gets to keep his...

      Yeah, reneging on a promise to donate earnings to charity is not technially stealing...but it is every bit as immoral. And just as illegal.

      No they didn't put their hand in the cookie jar, they basically held out a cookie to a dying child, then snatched it away at the last moment.

      I can't see anywhere from the claims that indicate that Lucasfilm gets to keep anything. The original agreement appears that Lucasfilm would donate certain memorabilia to GenCon for auction, with the proceeds going to Make-a-Wish.

      Gencon apparently chose to keep the money from that auction. Lucasfilm is appropriately pissed. They are asking for the money from the auction back, plus money to compensate for the items sold. Presumably if they are given this money, they will make the appropriate donation to make-a-wish.

      It is unlikely in the extreme that any of the claims made in the suit are outright fabrications. Lucasfilm would have to have some entirely retarded lawyers to be lying about any of the items claimed as they are fairly easily checked.

      Gencon on the other hand must have entirely retarded management to think they could get away with this...and pretty scummy to withhold promised funds from dying children. Even better, filing for Chapter 11 means they will probably never be force to provide the promised funds.
  7. Re:Why am I not surprised? by Sitnalta · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well how do you know all convention organizers are thieves and liars? Do you know them? Just because some conventions are questionably run doesn't mean all of them are. Every aspect of PAX isn't personally run by Gabe & Tycho, but they still call the shots. So if there was anything shady going on they would, and have, excise it immediately.

  8. Re:Why am I not surprised? by byennie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really? Do you know the people who run GenCon?

    GenCon is owned by Peter Adkison, the creator of Magic and former CEO of Wizards of the Coast. He's a gamer through and through and one of the most approachable guys on the planet of his stature. Peter made plenty off of WoTC's sale to Hasbro to do whatever he wanted - GenCon wasn't lining his pockets by any stretch of the imagination. This is the same man who responded to my unsolicited emails for help starting a gaming company. He answered any question I had, connected me with his personal contacts, and in return - just suggested that I pay it forward. I don't know anything about GenCon's legal issues, but I suspect neither do you.

    I don't know the depth of their dealings. But unless you do, perhaps you should refrain from making generalizations. God forbid you ever achieve such a level of success and find people throwing stones at you. Reserving judgement isn't nearly as sensational, but it's often warranted.

  9. I really hope so. by Viewsonic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Milwaukee GenCons were a thing of legend. It blew my mind when they were moving it. If I were a spiteful person, I might be happy about this news. But I'd rather they just come back home. Where they belong.

  10. Re:What the hell is a Gen Con by spun · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh man, my finger slipped. You know, the apostrophe, it's so close to the... ah... Look over there! It's Bigfoot!

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  11. Re:Why am I not surprised? by Irish_Samurai · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought Richard Garfield created magic.

  12. Oblig: by San-LC · · Score: 2, Funny

    Gen Con LLC: You will not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

    1. Re:Oblig: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      regardless of the ends, Bigby's Crushing Litigation is a fearsome and evil magic.

  13. Re:They aint seen nuthin yet by mlund · · Score: 3, Informative

    Peter Adkison owns GenCon.

    Hasbro owns Dungeons & Dragons.

    Hasbro bought Peter Adkison out of Wizards of the Coast (who owned D&D) over half a decade ago.

  14. Re:Why am I not surprised? by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are plenty of small non-profit conventions that aren't.

  15. Re:Why am I not surprised? by Fozzyuw · · Score: 5, Funny

    ALL "conventions", no matter what industry/hobby they are about, are run by thieves[...]Seriously.

    That's because it takes too long to level a Paladin.

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  16. Cue Martin Short nervously puffing on a cigarette. by filthpickle · · Score: 3, Funny

    while representine GenCon

    "maybe the kids wanted to be robbed....maybe that was their wish..."

    no idea why that image popped into my mind.

  17. I thought you Australians had a sense of humor by spun · · Score: 2

    Heh. You know, I've never been to one of those things? I love sci fi, fantasy, and gaming, but I wouldn't go to a convention. I can't stand fanatics of any stripe, and I don't like (all male) circle jerks.

    You do get that I was making fun at tjstork's expense, right? Slashdot is not only for people who love America. I wasn't saying that at all. I respect other's opinions, IF that opinion is worthy of respect. I respect people's right to have and share an opinion, too, but if my opinion of their opinion is that their opinion sucks donkey balls, I'm going to share that too. And tjstork's opinion amounted to, "haha, what a bunch of dorks."

    I love America, the concept. I'm pretty fond of the country. The people I can take or leave, and the government can go stuff itself in the wrong end of a sheep.

    As for Gen Con, if the allegations are true, yeah, they screwed up. But back in the day, it wasn't just the most prestigious, it was the only gaming convention. You know, when it was in Gary Gygax's living room, and a few years after that.

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  18. Re:I guess ill add lucasfilms by Fulminata · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why? GenCon has had ten months to uphold their part of a deal which included donating proceeds to charity. If they haven't done so by now, then I'd say that legal action was the appropriate course for Lucasfilm to take.

    Just because I might like going to GenCon doesn't change that.

  19. Re:I guess ill add lucasfilms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why? Well, for starters i don't believe in IP rights.

    Er... what?

    Lucasfilms shouldn't sue GenCon LLC for allegedly not turning over money specifically raised for certain causes at auction because you don't believe in IP rights?

    Hell, $150k of it was supposedly auction money for MakeAWish.

    "I'm sorry, little boy with terminal cancer. You don't get your wish because I don't believe in IP rights!" That's cold, dude. Also completely nonsensical. Someone got the auction money. If it was raised in a charity's name, it should have gone to the charity. That's nothing to do with IP.

  20. Re:Why am I not surprised? by byennie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Peter did a whole lot more than just market Magic. If Garfield had something shrink wrapped and ready to go, he wouldn't have come to Wizards of the Coast in the first place.

    That's why it's called a *partnership*. Flame all you want, but both sides need each other, and it's juvenile to suppose that anyone who can bring a product to fruition is some sort of soul-less marketing droid. What a miserable, woe is me attitude that is.

  21. Re:I guess ill add lucasfilms by Isca · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ummm... for what? For tuning over their property to Gen Con to be auctioned off (with a big chunk going to charity)

    This part of the lawsuit is pretty cut and dried. LucasFilms gives Gen Con LLC property, property is auctioned for $$, $$'s are not distributed as agreed before auction.