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Pakistan YouTube Block Breaks the World

Allen54 noted a followup to yesterday's story about Pakistan's decision to block YouTube. He notes that "The telecom company that carries most of Pakistan's traffic, PCCW, has found it necessary to shut Pakistan off from the Internet while they filter out the malicious routes that a Pakistani ISP, PieNet, announced earlier today. Evidently PieNet took this step to enforce a decree from the Pakistani government that ISP's must block access to YouTube because it was a source of blasphemous content. YouTube has announced more granular routes so that at least in the US they supercede the routes announced by PieNet. The rest of the world is still struggling."

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  1. But how did they do it? by suso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So the article isn't clear on it. Does this ISP have an AS number that allows them to upload global routes? I would say that they should lose it. I can't think of another way that a single ISP could take out the whole internet's access to something. Pretty crazy.

    1. Re:But how did they do it? by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or maybe they aren't as stupid as we think... Maybe, just maybe... They did this on purpose to give global awareness to this censorship.

      Maybe I give them too much credit... But it's possible.

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    2. Re:But how did they do it? by suso · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah that is very stupid. Why would you allow one of your customers to modify global routes when they don't have an AS number themselves?

      I imagine that this event will introduce a lot of people to how high level internet routing works. Yes, its that vulnerable folks. Scary, but fortunately these events don't happen often. I think back in late 90s was the time when someone in Pennsylvania introduced a global route for everything to go to 0.0.0.0, which brought everything down for a day.

    3. Re:But how did they do it? by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Informative

      The BGP article on Wikipedia is as good a place to start as any. Beyond that you can do some Google searches for it.

      Basically BGP is the protocol used by routers to exchange route information with each other. A real oversimplification would involve three networks/routers, A, B and C. C receives it's network connectivity through A. C announces the networks it's responsible for to A, whom aggregates them before announcing them (and it's own networks) to B.

      In theory, A shouldn't accept any routes from C for IP addresses not owned by C. Apparently that wasn't the case here though, or Pakistan's little stunt wouldn't have impacted anybody outside of Pakistan.

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    4. Re:But how did they do it? by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that if they did that, they'd have nowhere to put it.

      Unless you want to create an international organization with its own territory (sort of like the UN headquarters) that controls global routing- it can't be subject to any national law because it's got its own extraterritoriality (although international lawyers would tell me it's not true extraterritoriality, blah blah blah).

      But somebody has to control THAT organization, and unless its mandate is simply to maintain the internet routing in a transparent manner between national-level routing domains...

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    5. Re:But how did they do it? by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      You'd need one without any culture of censorship

      Sweden!

      and a strong enough military (including globally targeted nuclear missiles) not to be pushed around by the countries interested in censorship

      Oh. Shit. Well, ya had to muck things up with that requirement, huh?

      Wait, I know! The United States can take over Sweden! Then we'll have one country with no history of censorship and nuclear missiles! It's perfect!

      Hmm, free software/movies and Swedish chicks for me..... warmer weather and cheap blue jeans for them. Sounds like a win win for everybody concerned... and if any of those Swedes complain we'll just censor them ;)

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    6. Re:But how did they do it? by bluesky74656 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Pakistan Telcom does have an ASN number. Just for kicks, try this:

      Head over to this site. It visualizes the BGP routes between different AS's. Click 'Start BGPlay'. The prefix in which YouTube lives is 208.65.153.0/24. Set the start time for about 24 Feb 2008 10:00, and the end time for about 25 Feb 2008 03:00 (times are UTC). Start the simulation.

      You'll see a bunch of ASNs. Two have red circles around them. You can get their name by clicking on the number. On the left is YouTube, and on the right is Pakistan Telcom. Click play and watch what happens.

      For those too lazy to actually watch this: All the routes destined for YouTube head towards Pakistan Telcom instead. Then, midway through, you see PCCW get wise and shut down those routes, and everyone slowly starts finding the actual YouTube. It's pretty neat to watch.

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    7. Re:But how did they do it? by TMB · · Score: 5, Funny

      Second rule of BGP is you DO NOT talk about BGP!

  2. CBG by Zedekiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Worst. Title. Ever.

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    1. Re:CBG by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Closely followed by the award for most incomprehensible summary. I've re-read it twice. I have no idea what is happening

      Basically a Pakistani ISP decided to implement the block of Youtube by announcing a new route for the IP addresses owned by Youtube that presumably directed all of that traffic into /dev/null or elsewhere. By accident (one would presume -- there is no reason to do this on purpose) those routes were announced outside of Pakistan by said ISP, whose upstream provider then relayed them to the rest of the internet (sheer stupidity on their part -- their configuration should have prevented this). Said upstream provider then decided to cut Pakistan off until they are able to correct the problem.

      All I know is living in the UK I'm in no position to criticize the Pakistanis, because their country is much freer than mine.

      Yeah, I can't help but remember how Gordon Brown seized power in a military coup and allowed a leading member of the opposition to be brutally assassinated by extremists. It's amazing how far the UK has fallen, isn't it?

      C'mon! As an American I can certainly sympathize with your disillusionment over your own Government's policies but get some perspective. It's not yet that bad. Freedom in the United States or United Kingdom isn't dead until people stop fighting for it and become as apathetic as you sound when you make statements like that.

      Your country gave us the Common Law, the Magna Carta and the foundations of Representative Democracy. You stood alone against Hitler for all those lonely months between the Fall of France and the involvement of the Soviet Union and United States. That stand likely saved Western Democracy from Communism or Fascism. Start fighting for your freedoms instead of whining online about how much better Pakistan is. I suspect that the people fighting and dying for Democracy right now within Pakistan would have zero sympathy for your point of view.

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  3. A Better Technical Explanation by 1sockchuck · · Score: 5, Informative

    Better technical explanations of the event are available from the Renesys blog and Data Center Knowledge. The erroneous IP assignments spread across the net within 1 minute, 45 seconds of its announcement by Pakistan Telecom, according to a timeline by Renesys. It took about 80 minutes for YouTube to inform its providers that the route had been hijacked. YouTube says it is "investigating and working with others in the Internet community to prevent this from happening again."

  4. First article (Third link) is not bull by ruinevil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The telecommunication authorities are claiming in Pakistan that YouTube was blocked for featuring allegedly blasphemous documentaries. While this move if triggered by this motive is as foolish as burning an entire library just because on a page of one of the books someone has scribbled a couple of words against you, it is far from truth. Actually Musharraf is a very self centered and insecure man these days and has recently learned from his sycophants that YouTube carries many videos critical of his government especially his torture on lawyers and political captives and since during this campaign technology played critical role in influencing people he wants to block out every kind of criticism. This is exactly what I'm talking about.
  5. Political, not religious reasons. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Informative

    All Things Pakistan points out that this may have a political rather than a "cultural" reason - given that a number of videos of election rigging were posted.

  6. Re:What a REAL oppressive theocracy looks like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because other crap smells worse doesn't mean my own crap doesn't stink anymore. All oppression needs fighting, not just the blatant stuff.

  7. Re:What a REAL oppressive theocracy looks like by lixee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tu quoque? This idiotic line is getting old. Yes, we get it. The US is better than the scum of the Earth that is al-Qaeda and their supporters. But for the love of God, quit justifying wars of aggression and other unconstitutional acts by see, it could be worse. It's only works with mentally challenged people.

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  8. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  9. Why it broke, in techie by autocracy · · Score: 5, Informative
    I submitted this article yesterday while it was happening, but of course at that time details were even more sparse (speed vs. informative.. oh well). Some of the BGP routing information I captured is printed out on Wikinews. The basic idea is that Pakistan Telecon, BGP Autonomous System number 17557 began being chatty, saying that it owned Youtube's netblock. It did this using a /24 routing prefix, whereas Youtube exports its route as a /22 (which it should...). Because the /24 was more specific, it became the primary route of reference. This is similar to the "AS 7007" incident (Google it... there's no one good link) back in the late 1990s (one of two incidents in the history of the Internet that has brought the entire Internet down, IIRC).

    I'll check back for related questions to fill in any blanks later :)

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  10. Gutenberg by Max_W · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Once the Islam world already did the same error. In 15th century when Gutenberg invented the printing press the Islam countries were a way ahead in science.

    But mullahs forbade printing for 200 years, while in Europe it exploded. Mostly it was silly: religious stuff, cartoons, sex, but it was also maps, mathematics, etc.

    Internet is about the same as an invention of printing was then. And again they are making the same mistake, again due to a fear of mullahs to lose their power.

    Like 500 years ago it will just slow the development of their civilization.

  11. But how did they do it? by greedyturtle · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those of you who actually want to know "How they did it?" posted from: Renesys Blog
    which was found from Cydeweys which is updating as the story progresses. Both of those sites seem to be running a bit slow, so hesitate before clicking.

    Full text of Reneysys: Pakistan hijacks YouTube.

    A few hours ago, Pakistan Telecom (AS 17557) began advertising a small part of YouTube's (AS 36561) assigned network. This story is almost as old as BGP. Old hands will recognize this as, fundamentally, the same problem as the http://merit.edu/mail.archives/nanog/1997-04/msg00380.html">infamous AS 7007 from 1997, a more recent ConEd mistake of early 2006 and even TTNet's Christmas Eve gift 2005.

    Just before 18:48 UTC, Pakistan Telecom, in response to government order to block access to YouTube (see news item) started advertising a route for 208.65.153.0/24 to its provider, PCCW (AS 3491). For those unfamiliar with BGP, this is a more specific route than the ones used by YouTube (208.65.152.0/22), and therefore most routers would choose to send traffic to Pakistan Telecom for this slice of YouTube's network.

    I became interested in this immediately as I was concerned that I wouldn't be able to spend my evening watching imbecilic videos of cats doing foolish things (even for a cat). Then, I started to examine our mountains of BGP data and quickly noticed that the correct AS path ("Will the real YouTube please stand up?") was getting restored to most of our peers.

    The data points identified below are culled from over 250 peering sessions with 170 unique ASNs. While it is hard to describe exactly how widely this hijacked prefix was seen, we estimate that it was seen by a bit more than two-thirds of the Internet.

    This table shows the timing of the event and how quickly the route propagated (this is actually a fairly normal propagation pattern). The ASNs seeing the prefix were mostly transit ASNs below, so this means that these routes were distributed broadly across the Internet. Almost all of the default free zone (DFZ) carried the hijacked route at least briefly.

    18:47:00uninterrupted videos of exploding jello

    18:47:45first evidence of hijacked route propagating in Asia, AS path 3491 17557

    18:48:00several big trans-Pacific providers carrying hijacked route (9 ASNs)

    18:48:30several DFZ providers now carrying the bad route (and 47 ASNs)

    18:49:00most of the DFZ now carrying the bad route (and 93 ASNs)

    18:49:30all providers who will carry the hijacked route have it (total 97 ASNs)

    20:07:25YouTube, AS 36561 advertises the /24 that has been hijacked to its providers

    20:07:30several DFZ providers stop carrying the erroneous route

    20:08:00many downstream providers also drop the bad route

    20:08:30and a total of 40 some-odd providers have stopped using the hijacked route

    20:18:43and now, two more specific /25 routes are first seen from 36561

    20:19:3725 more providers prefer the /25 routes from 36561

    20:28:12peers of 36561 start seeing the routes that were advertised to transit at 20:07

    20:50:59evidence of attempted prepending, AS path was 3491 17557 17557

    20:59:39hijacked prefix is withdrawn by 3491,