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Judge Rejects RIAA 'Making Available' Theory

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "A federal judge in Connecticut has rejected the RIAA's 'making available' theory, which is the basis of all of the RIAA's peer to peer file sharing cases. In Atlantic v. Brennan, in a 9-page opinion [PDF], Judge Janet Bond Arterton held that the RIAA needs to prove 'actual distribution of copies', and cannot rely — as it was permitted to do in Capitol v. Thomas — upon the mere fact that there are song files on the defendant's computer and that they were 'available'. This is the same issue that has been the subject of extensive briefing in two contested cases in New York, Elektra v. Barker and Warner v. Cassin. Judge Arterton also held that the defendant had other possible defenses, such as the unconstitutionality of the RIAA's damages theory and possible copyright misuse flowing from the record companies' anticompetitive behavior."

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  1. ouch... by rsmoody · · Score: 4, Funny

    Was that the sky falling that hit me on the head or just a smart-stick!

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    1. Re:ouch... by Stanistani · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm gonna shut the window so those flying pigs won't get inside and interfere with me knitting a muffler for the devil.

    2. Re:ouch... by rabiddeity · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, I just thought of something to make your comment even better! Next time, try "I'm going to _secure my windows_ so those flying pigs..." Same meaning, slightly rearranged, infinitely more Slashdot appeal!

  2. Re:Smart Judge by jtroutman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would say, "How much more mainstream do you want than Slashdot?" After all, we are legion, we bring down servers across the internet merely by visiting them en masse. But then I look at Ron Paul's primary results and slink back to my basement.

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  3. This is actually important... by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's worth noting that unlike the typical NewYorkCountryLawyer story gloating about how the RIAA lost some motion on some case somewhere, this is a potentially major development.

    1. Re:This is actually important... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's worth noting that unlike the typical NewYorkCountryLawyer story gloating about how the RIAA lost some motion on some case somewhere, this is a potentially major development. Thanks.
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    2. Re:This is actually important... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

      The RIAA also lost an uncontested case, the other day. This guy not only didn't have a lawyer, he didn't even show up. And the RIAA still lost because it neglected to include any facts, producing only a 'boilerplate' complaint that could have equally well applied to anyone the RIAA sued. I'd submit this as a story, but it's too much of a rehash now, so feel free to discuss both of the RIAA's losses here. It's the same case.
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    3. Re:This is actually important... by wilder_card · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, would you quit covering stuff YOU think is important? Check with Otter before you put something up on your own website, will you?

    4. Re:This is actually important... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, would you quit covering stuff YOU think is important? Check with Otter before you put something up on your own website, will you? Okay.
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  4. Re:kinda dumb by jtroutman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, putting up the sign makes it "intent to distribute", which is not the same as having files in a publicly available folder. This would be like making a copy of a song on a CD, leaving that CD on your porch and having someone come along and pick it up. Then getting sued for distribution.

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  5. What the hell is with judges this year?!? by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who the hell gave them the power to just wantonly dispense fair and balanced justice like this? Judges have always been empowered to make huge decisions, but this new behavior is becoming quite alarming. Common sense has been creeping into recent rulings with alarming frequency, and many decisions seem to be based on information, not cash-backed opinions.

    I hope this behavior doesn't continue... the entire American way of life is at stake!

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  6. Re:Smart Judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unfortunately, the people that own media creation companies also own the tv, distribution & broadcast companies. Its also not in their best interests for the public to know when its harder for the **AA to sue people. Fear of being sued is the only weapon they think they have to fight copyright infringement. Its not the only option available to them (blanket licences, more reasonable prices, producing better media etc) but when they insist on trying to fight back against copyright infringement all they can do is sue or buy more laws making it easier to sue.

  7. Poll: What will the RIAA do now? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm taking a poll. What do you think the RIAA will do now with this case?

    (a) Walk away.
    (b) Bury the judge in paper with a 'reconsideration' motion.
    (c) Ask Mr. Brennan to "settle".
    (d) Other.

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    1. Re:Poll: What will the RIAA do now? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm going with choice "b" b) Bury the judge in paper with a 'reconsideration' motion. I think I remember reading that they've tended to use this tactic in other cases and non-court situations too. They did indeed use that tactic in Atlantic v. Dangler and Interscope v. Does 1-y.
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    2. Re:Poll: What will the RIAA do now? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

      D) Slightly change the wording of their argument and keep on truckin' They did indeed do that in Interscope v. Rodriguez, but for some reason they skipped out on actually serving the amended "argument".
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    3. Re:Poll: What will the RIAA do now? by psychicninja · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm taking a poll. What do you think the RIAA will do now with this case?

      (a) Walk away.
      (b) Bury the judge in paper with a 'reconsideration' motion.
      (c) Ask Mr. Brennan to "settle".
      (d) Send in CowboyNeal
      Fixed that for ya.
  8. Re:Smart Judge by Mr_eX9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'Real' news indeed.

    The standards of what's deemed newsworthy in the US are completely off. This case, a milestone in the RIAA's war against file-sharers, isn't newsworthy, but a pop-psychologist making blatantly erroneous statements out of ignorance is? Doesn't seem right.

  9. Re:So uhm... why is this different? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why is making available rejected in this case but not in the Thom[as] case? Because the judge in the Thomas case made an error.

    How are these different? No difference. The judge's instructions to the jury in Capitol v. Thomas should have been precisely what Judge Arterton said:

    ""[W]ithout actual distribution of copies.... there is no violation [of] the distribution right." 4 William F. Patry, Patry on Copyright 13:9 (2007); see also id. N. 10 (collecting cases); Perfect 10, Inc. v. Amazon.com, Inc., 508 F.3d 1146, 1162 (9th Cir. 2007)(affirming the district court's finding "that distribution requires an 'actual dissemination' of a copy")".
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  10. Re:kinda dumb by amosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Correct, someone WOULD (sue, not arrest) you. Once you burn copies, you're violating copyright, even if you didn't sell any. This ruling doesn't apply to you at all; anyone who comes to your stand can see proof of your illegal activity.

    It does, however, apply to the defendant in this case. The reason the RIAA needed the "making available" theory is because they did not have any actual proof that their copyright had been violated. If I've got an MP3 in a public folder, what have I done? Have I illegally copied anything? Doesn't seem like it. Have I created a derivative work? Arguably, if I ripped the MP3, but maybe I downloaded it, and ripping a CD I own is almost certainly fair use anyway. Have I distributed it? Well, if the RIAA has proof of me distributing it to someone, they've got me. Obviously, in this case, they don't have proof of that. All they see is that MP3, so the "making available" theory says that, even in the absence of proof that their rights have been violated, they should be able to sue people.

    What happens if you leave a DVD on your front lawn, I come along with my laptop, rip and burn it? THAT is what this case is talking about. Have you broken the law by leaving that DVD on the lawn? I clearly have, by copying it... the RIAA thinks that you have, too. The judge, luckily, knows the law a little bit better. You have proof, or you have nothing.

  11. This may affect more than just the RIAA by Reziac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a blow not only against the RIAA legal machine, but also against "thought crime" of all sorts (such as the argument that selling guns facilitates murder). So even as significant as it is by itself, it is a FAR more important decision than it appears.

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    1. Re:This may affect more than just the RIAA by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is a blow not only against the RIAA legal machine, but also against "thought crime" of all sorts (such as the argument that selling guns facilitates murder). So even as significant as it is by itself, it is a FAR more important decision than it appears. Indeed it is. A judge telling the emperor he wears no clothes. This may be the beginning of the end.
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  12. Re:Smart Judge by phoomp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    News related to P2P has been getting quite a bit of coverage in Canada lately. Not yet front-page coverage, but 2nd page coverage in some cases. Of course, our mainstream media isn't in bed with the IP-based conglomerates to the same degree as yours are.

  13. Re:Smart Judge by rhizome · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if only this would get more mainstream coverage.

    The problem is that the plaintiffs in this case are the companies who would report on this development.

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  14. Re:respect for law by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This case is legal precedent in only New York, Vermont and Connecticut. Judges will take into consideration what other circuits have decided, but they are certainly not bound by it. It's not binding anywhere, other than in the case in which it was rendered.

    But where a judge has done his or her homework, and is right.... other judges will follow. This judge has done her homework, and is right. Other judges will follow.

    And when these issues get to an appeals court, there is no other possible answer than the one she gave: (a) the complaint doesn't satisfy the federal pleading standards for the alleged violations of the right of reproduction (uploading and downloading), (b) there is no such thing as a claim for 'making files available for distribution', (c) there is a meritorious defense of copyright misuse, and (d) there is a meritorious defense of unconstitutionality of the plaintiffs' statutory damages theory.
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  15. Re:Smart Judge by wealthychef · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think this judge did not go quite far enough. I think the RIAA should have to show not only that distribution occurred, but that the distribution was INTENTIONAL. That is, not the product of accidentally having a file in a directory that Limewire is sharing or something.

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  16. Re:kinda dumb by vux984 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Its neither.

    1) You don't 'index and share your songs via Kazaa', Kazaa et al, do tha all by themselves, without user intervention, in their default course of action. Many users aren't even aware 'they did it'.

    2) I've always liked the library analagy. Its a public building, open to the public, and full of books. Photocopiers are placed conveniently often even marked with signs --> photocopiers this way. The books are carefully organized to make them easy to find. And there are computers scattered around so you can look them up that way too.

    They've set everything up they possibly could to let you make copies. Yet if you do so, YOU are liable for infringement, not them.

    By analagy, if I set up a computer, put it in a public place (like the internet), with songs available on it, and also set it up with tools that will make copies of those songs for you if you send it the right commands.

    Now if you send my computer a command to transmit you a copy of the song... shouldn't YOU be liable for infringement? My computer isn't making copies and sending them out... YOU asked my computer to do it. All I did was set it up to listen to requests.

    How is that fundamentally different from a library? If I could somehow operate the library photocopier by remote from my computer, would that suddenly shift the blame for making copies to them? I should think not. Its still YOU who have (remotely) operated the copier to make an infringing copy.

    Finally, as a side note... if YOU own the CD in question, and feel its easier to download a copy using my publicly available computer to send you one, rather than ripping your own CD. Shouldn't that be legal. I as the computer owner have done nothing illegal by making it available. You have done nothing illegal because you have the right to make personal use copies of that song by virtue of the fact that you own a copy.

    Why or Why not does this 'theory' work?

    Finally if I charge you for access to my system that allows you to make copies am I a pirate then? Good question... interestingly, I still think not. If a library charges you .10c page to use their photocopier and makes you use some sort of 'printer card' that you prepay to fill... would that make them infringe? I doubt it...most libraries -do- charge for photocopies.

    So its only infringement if they start making the actual copies themselves. Setting up the equipment and letting you operate it, even if they charge you for access, doesn't make them liable for infringement.

    Although at some point you might argue that their is a conspiracy to commit infringement...

  17. Re:Ooops... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    [W]hat do you think about how this ruling came about even though the defendant defaulted? As I understand it, it's NOT generally a good idea, but thanks to the oddities of RIAA litigation, those who have defaulted haven't done half bad in the cases I've seen, at least comparatively. Well I have no statistics, but it's clear that many, many cases in which the defendant defaulted have resulted in judgments against the defendant.

    However, you're absolutely right that some of the best rulings have come in default cases, which of course really has to make you wonder. Examples are Interscope v. Rodriguez, this case, and Atlantic v. Dangler.

    Thing is, in Dangler they came back with a reconsideration motion, there was still no one fighting back, and the judge was hoodwinked by the RIAA's mountain of phony papers, and went ahead and entered the judgment.

    I also liked that expert report from the other day. I really hope that information gets presented in court a lot more often. Yes, Prof. Pouwelse's report is a landmark event, and thoroughly exposes the RIAA's junk science as 'borderline incompetence'. (See discussion on Groklaw.)
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  18. Re:Smart Judge by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, the law is quite clear that no mental state has to be shown for civil copyright infringement. Even if you infringe purely by accident, and you always acted as reasonably and as carefully as possible, you can still wind up on the hook for infringement. So the court in this case is not going to find otherwise, but it would be a good part of a comprehensive legislative reform. (Though I think an intentional standard is somewhat high)

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  19. Where to now for the RI, "after the Gold Rush"? by NonCow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Forgetting the RIAA for a moment, step back a few light years and think about the long history of music. In terms of centuries, this desparate troughing that the RI (recording industry) has managed over the last half century is like a burst of activity in the gold fields, then something fundamental changes and for some reason the Gold Rush ends. If the RI wants to stand in the middle of the deserted gold fields screaming "poor me", then so be it, but if a fundamental aspect of "gold production" has changed, then, sorry, but it's *over*. You (RI, RIAA et al) have to look for something else to do "after the Gold Rush", rather than try to sue the consumers for not buying *your* Gold anymore.
    So what about claims that the MI (music industry) is dead by association? This seems to be another illogical grab for air in a bid by the RI to survive. The MI has existed since the first huddle of cavemen got together, beat drums in time, and feasted with a dancing tribe. Music and the MI preceeded the RI gold rush and did quite well about it thank you very much. Musicians are artists and art is most often a matter of the heart searching for and finding expression. Cash is all well and good, but at the end of the day if payment for music is extinguished altogether, music will prevail irrespective. Art is not extinguished by poverty, so neither is music. Only greedy troughing is extinguished by poverty.
    Here's a tip: I play in a band. We're not too bad at what we do. We put smiles on faces every show and most of the time we cover our up front costs. We never cover our "hours" put in, and we don't care, because it's Art, and we all have day jobs anyway. And guess what? There's no greedy corporation troughing from *our* Art.

  20. Re:So uhm... why is this different? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hi Ray; You've mentioned a couple of times in this discussion that in the Capitol v. Thomas case the judge was wrong or made an error. That's strong wording, leaving me (a /.-er) with some questions. Is this "error" your opinion, or a legal fact? And if it's fact, is there an appeal in the works and/or can they appeal? Do judges bear any responsibility for making such errors? ...just trying to understand how something this basic can get two completely different rulings: it seems pretty clear to me that only one of the two rulings can be a correct interpretation of the law. I guess you could, theoretically, say it's an opinion, and that the RIAA has a different opinion. But the RIAA has no legal basis for its opinion, while I have a clearly worded statute, unanimity among all of the leading scholars, and decades of legal precedent to support my opinion. So when does expression of a solid opinion based on law become 'fact', and when does an opinion based on nothing become a 'lie'? You be the judge, but there is a point at which the expression of a frivolous opinion is so outlandish as to become false and misleading.

    Meanwhile, on the facts, the RIAA is always lying.

    As to how the judge made the error in the Thomas case, it's obvious:

    the RIAA lawyer was willing to say misleading things to the judge,

    Ms. Thomas's lawyer wasn't sufficientlyl prepared to rebut them, and

    the judge made the mistake of changing his mind in the heat of battle, instead of sticking with the decision he'd made beforehand when he and his staff had had enough time to do the requisite legal reading.
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  21. Re:So uhm... why is this different? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So are judges in any way responsible this kind of error? Of course the judge is responsible. Judge Arterton had no help from the defendant's side at all; the defendant probably never even got the summons and complaint. But she took it upon herself to do the research, instead of just rubber stamping the RIAA's phony presentation.

    And isn't lying something lawyers should get disbarred for? Yes.
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  22. Re:Smart Judge by civilizedINTENSITY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know, "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" sounds like a democrat. Republicans are fiscally liberal and socially conservative...

  23. Re:Non-mutuial Collateral Estoppel by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Three little words: Non-mutuial Collateral Estoppel.

    Your big words must be a bitch.

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