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One in Ten Americans Are Chronically Sleep Deprived

WirePosted writes "A CDC research study released this past week indicates that the physical and mental health of many Americans is being adversely affected by a lack of sleep. According to the study, a part of the organization's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, one in ten US citizens are consistently failing to get enough sleep every night. Almost 40% of the people surveyed didn't get enough sleep for more than a week every month. The article notes that this trend can have far-ranging implications for health beyond simple fatigue."

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  1. Cue the 3AM jokes... by adam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Oh, the delicious amusement that struck me at seeing this article about sleep deprivation appear at 3:30AM (Pacific time zone, United States).

    In all seriousness, despite being a major geek (I'm posted to slashdot at 3am on a Sunday, that should be geek-cred enough!), I decided to get rid of my HDTV (and in fact, stop watching TV alltogether) as an experiment. Although I miss The Daily Show, Colbert, and a few others, I've found I actually prefer not having it.. and as a rather shocking side effect, I actually keep better hours now. Suddenly I realized that the insomnia I've had since I was 13 or so, is at least in large part, related to certain stimuli. TV being one of them. As you can probably tell by the fact that I'm awake at 3:30AM on a Sunday, the Internet is an even bigger culprit.. and I'm in the process of working out how I can dial back its hold on me.

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    1. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by flajann · · Score: 4, Funny
      Well, now you can retreat to the recesses of a cave and be sure to get all the nocturnal winks one desires -- and needs.

      I defenestrated the TV long ago. These days, it's my ongoing nasty divorce situation keeping me up at night, and there is nothing much I can do about that. Defenestrating the wife is a difficult thing to do. :-)

    2. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, it's 2:30PM here in Iraq and I'm wide awake. While not sleep deprived myself, many of my coworkers here and at my last unit work 16-20 hour days for months on end. I think some of them think they're being hard (and some get paid for evey hour worked), but their lack of sleep is counter-productive. Many will fall asleep in the middle of a conversation with you. I also have to wonder about brain damage as another side effect. The people who have been doing it the most look like they've been lobotimized even right after they've woken up. It's the same sort of look in someone's face who's wasted their mind on alcohol; they look like they were bright once but have killed too many brain cells. The effects I've seen of long-term sleep deprivation here are enough to make me get 8 to 9 hours sleep every night.

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    3. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by pipatron · · Score: 4, Funny

      Defenestrating the wife is a difficult thing to do. :-)

      And something that should be done before filing for divorce, in order to not rise suspicion.

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    4. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2, Funny

      You think you're a tough guy? I'm posting at 4am!

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    5. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by cybereal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, the delicious amusement that struck me at seeing this article about sleep deprivation appear at 3:30AM (Pacific time zone, United States).
        Clearly you mean 6:30am, a perfectly valid time for new news, lest ye be disrespecting the Eastern Standard Tribe...
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    6. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by dirtyhippie · · Score: 3, Informative

      Dude, my experience is even more eerily on-topic. I just got back from a sleep lab where I had a CPAP titration at a sleep lab to treat Sleep Apnea, pull up slashdot, and here this is.

      If you feel chronically tired, are a little overweight and don't get a lot of exercise (queue predictable slashdot demographics joke) and you are told you snore by a significant other (queue another predictable slashdot demographics joke), you should look into it. All reports are that using the CPAP vastly improves quality of life. Plus, you can make believe you are a jet fighter pilot!

    7. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by cart_man4524 · · Score: 4, Funny

      After reading this post, me and my lady friend started talking well into the wee hours of the morning. I finally decided that she was right, that I did need more sleep. So i took out her neatly placed batteries, and deflated her. Now I can get more sleep.

    8. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by Heir+Of+The+Mess · · Score: 2, Funny

      You think you're a tough guy? I'm posting at 4am!

      I think you are doing an honorable job making sure that nobody posts anything wrong on slashdot without being immediately corrected or 1up'd

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    9. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by DrLang21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Lack of sleep causes a lot of crap problems for people. I work for a company specializing in sleep therapy consumer devices and we see all kinds of problems that sleep depravation causes. One of the most interesting problems is that with a consistent sleep depravation, people will perceive that they get used to it and their ability to react goes back to normal. However, the real effect is that it keeps getting worse. If you want to have a healthy and productive work force, it is essential that they get sufficient sleep (generally about 7-8 hours a day). It is also essential that those who work night shifts are exposed to bright light throughout their work day to fool their circadian rhythm.

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    10. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm, I think "defenestrating the wife" just means you no longer have to peer at the fat, lazy, disgusting nag she turned into after the vows were exchanged (while you yearn for the hot women who haven't yet "hooked" a man, only to end up marrying them and repeating a vicious cycle).

    11. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by KirkH · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hans? Is that you?

    12. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      After years of working in jobs where I'd get 3-5 hours of sleep in a night, I can say that I was one of these people. I had increased anxiety, was thinking significantly slower, had problems comprehending other people's speech, and a terrible memory to boot. As someone who was always very intelligent, this bothered the hell out of me because I felt like I'd dropped about 100 IQ points.

      That's in addition to extreme irritability and just being a downright nasty person sometimes -- even to people I care about. I have relatives who have clinical depression, and I began exhibiting many of the same symptoms. I think this also has a lot to do with the fact that I was drinking copious amounts of coffee to try to make up for the sleep I wasn't getting. The weird part is that I knew it was happening and felt powerless to fix it.

      It seems to take a long time (months) to recover from this. I've been working shorter hours and much closer to home now for about 7 months. Only recently have I begun feeling "normal" again -- last month or so. Over the past few months my mood has improved dramatically and I feel like I'm able to answer a question without an initial blank stare while I figure out what's being asked of me.

      While I may not make the same money I used to, my quality of life is vastly improved. I'd only go back to what I was doing if I was really in dire straights.

    13. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by Cadallin · · Score: 3, Informative
      Absolutely! Hell, anyone who has chronic feelings of fatigue should ask their Doctor to have a sleep study done. If you are actually getting 7-8 hours of sleep (or more, many people with undiagnosed sleep apnea chronically oversleep), and you still experience fatigue, odds are you've got a diagnosable sleep disorder. And, unlike depression, the treatments are quite straightforward, and are very effective.

      I don't have anything to do with any on the companies. I'm just a patient. For the longest time, I had chronic fatigue, I just felt exhausted all the time. Unless something forced me awake, I would easily sleep 12-14 hours a day. My Doctor thought it was just symptoms of depression, but eventually he suggested having a sleep study done. It turns out I had undiagnosed , severe sleep apnea, that probably manifested in highschool (I had horrible problems getting up to go school, and was late all the time). This means that I stop breathing in my sleep, over 30 times an hour. I've been using a CPAP machine for the last few years since then, and it makes an enormous difference in quality of life.

      This isn't the only disorder they can find, there are many others. They hook you up to an Electro-encephalogram and other stuff to monitor you, and the results can be extremely informative to your doctor for making recommendations.

    14. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by mw13068 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have sleep apnea which went untreated for 10 years. I would tell my doctor that I was falling asleep in the middle of the day, and while driving, despite getting 8-10 hours of sleep (and feeling like total shit when I regained consciousness) and he had no clue what the problem was. I finally found my own diagnosis after doing one simple Google search on "sleep disorder." The first result was an article about sleep apnea that listed every one of the symptoms that I told my doctor about. At my last appointment before switching to a new doc, I told him about all this...

      Anyway, I went to a local hospital sleep clinic, where I was scheduled to "sleep" for 4 hours without a CPAP, and then four hours with one -- all the while being hooked up to an EKG. After the first 45 minutes, the nurse came in and said she had decided to switch me to the CPAP early because in 45 minutes I had stopped breathing 70 times.

      The next day, I felt like a completely different person. I have now had a CPAP for about 5 years, and I feel like "normal" person again.

      Now, my sleep deprivation is due to the Internets, just like the rest of you bastards.

    15. Re:Cue the 3AM jokes... by Kelbear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've just reached the end of a 2-3 month crunch period in my job(at least I hope so) and I've noticed the same things. I'd become intensely pessimisic, anti-social, and depressed. In the back of my mind I'm watching myself and wondering what the hell is wrong with me.

      Part of me was aware that this really wasn't how I should be feeling and acting. My life wasn't a horrible mess like my anxiety kept telling me, if I could just dial down for a good night's sleep everything would be turned around the next day. Knowing that didn't make me feel any better though. I kept most of it internalized, so that the actual effect of being so fucked up on the inside would be minimal once the phase had passed. But I continually tendered thoughts of flipping out on people at work and quitting my job to leave the company to handle the mess I had been shielding them from with my consecutive 60-hour no-overtimepay work weeks.

      It was unnerving to see how easily my personality could be subverted by a simple lack of sleep.

  2. News just in: by ettlz · · Score: 5, Funny

    People not getting to bed early enough; film at 11.

    1. Re:News just in: by joss · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > If you spend twelve hours at the office and three hours a day communiting

      Then you should reappraise your lifestyle. Personally I spend about 7 in office and 0 hours commuting because I work
      for myself and 7 hours of quality time is more productive than 12 hours from a sleep deprived zombie who would notice
      how degraded his performance was if only he wasn't so chronically sleep deprived. Of course, there are people who function
      well on very little sleep at certain tasks, but contemplative life changing choices can almost never be properly made by the sleep deprived.

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    2. Re:News just in: by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ask yourself, WHY is it neccesary to be at the office 12 hours a day? Why do you have a 3 hour commute?? Something is very wrong with modern society if THAT is the "norm".

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  3. I for one by jonaskoelker · · Score: 2, Funny

    I for one welcome our... *blink* our sleep-depri... *yawn* sleep-deprived overl... *bigyawn* overlor... *snore*

  4. I'm awake by asm2750 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sucks not being able to fall asleep when you want to.

  5. I work the GRAVEYARD SHIFT... by lunchlady55 · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...you insensitive clod!

    1. Re:I work the GRAVEYARD SHIFT... by ultranova · · Score: 2, Funny

      Then would you mind opening my coffin ? I can't rest forever, I have to go check my e-mail.

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    2. Re:I work the GRAVEYARD SHIFT... by LordEd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here is your email:

      Subject: You should try this

      All new V1A_gR-a from genuine Canadian p_harmacies. It even raises the dead!

  6. Great.... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I'm going to be up all night worrying about if I get enough sleep or not.

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    There are no loopholes. It's either legal or it's not.
  7. Wow! by edwardpickman · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean some people get 6 or 7 hours of sleep a night? I guess we are turning into a country of slackers.

  8. Stimuli by Ammin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    150 channels, billions of internet pages, consoles, text messages, MMOs. Gone are the days when there was nothing to watch at 11:00 but the local news, leaving sex and reading (both good for sleep) as one's final options for the night. TFA mentions shift work, which seems rather off the mark, as much "shift work" went overseas to China with our industrial base.

    Our sleep deprivation, I would hazard to guess, is mostly voluntary (or semi-voluntary.) And overall it's not such a bad thing -- our time is short, and who can blame us for resenting the hours lost to sleep?

    (And it's 5:00 a.m. and I really wish I could sleep. Stupid new Wii and its evil bowling . . . .)

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    1. Re:Stimuli by IBBoard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Gone are the days when there was nothing to watch at 11:00 but the local news...

      Yeah, now with the amount of trash on TV (even with Sky) then there is nothing to watch from 7pm but the news, and even that repeats every half-hour!

      On a more related note, who are most likely to be sleep deprived if it is only one in ten - the lowest earners, who need to work every hour they can to survive, or the highest earners, who feel they have to work more than their contract to keep their job?

      Personally, I get about seven or eight hours every night and I still sometimes feel sleep deprived!
  9. What's enough? by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The article states that

    The National Sleep Foundation reports that adults need seven to nine hours of sleep every night to be adequately rested, Maggie Thatcher was notorious for existing on three to four hours a night and she wasn't exactly an underachiever. Much as I loath and detest her I'd be proud to have her level of achievement.
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    1. Re:What's enough? by kvezach · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not all people are Maggie Thatcher clones.

      (Which is probably just as well.)

    2. Re:What's enough? by tinkerton · · Score: 4, Funny

      Look what it did to her hair though.

    3. Re:What's enough? by jandersen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maggie Thatcher was notorious for existing on three to four hours a night. She may have managed on little sleep, and she may even have achieved a lot. But who knows what she lost in the process? Although it may be productive in a certain sense to work without stop, humans need to take time out to do other things. Sleep isn't actually idle time either; not only does the brain seem to require this time to 'reorganize' in, but many good, creative ideas are conceived during sleep.

      Taking time out to do 'nothing' can enhance your productivity. If all you are doing is routine tasks - stamping papers or debugging program code - then perhaps you can go on for days on end, I know I have. But it kills your creativity - when I encounter a difficult problem, the best way to solve it, in my experience, is to stop thinking about it, do something else and let the task run in the background. Albert Einstein famously drove himself to desperation trying to find a way to integrate gravity in the relativity theory; when at last he gave up, he suddenly had the solution. IOW, stop trying too hard.
  10. Coincidentally.. by Zekasu · · Score: 4, Funny

    1 in 5 Americans visit slashdot.

  11. It's funny cuz it's truuue... by __aailob1448 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Joking aside, workaholism leads to lack of sleep which may lead to chronic fatigue and depression.

    Perhaps that is part of the reason why we americans do not rate very highly on the global happiness scale.

    Think about it.

  12. Recommended Reading by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 4, Interesting
    He's also written several other books having to do with sleep and circadian rhythm.

    Among the anecdotes in the book are an account of a coast-to-coast airplane crew who put the plane on autopilot then all fell asleep. The plane, loaded with passengers, overshot the destination and was a hundred miles out to sea before air traffic control was able to wake them over the radio.

    Also, the author was paid a visit by a Secret Service agent - the people who guard the life of the US President. It seems they were expected to stay on the same shift, in local time, no matter where in the world the President went. That is, if they work 9 to 5 Washington time, then fly to Iraq, say - where the president has visited a couple times - they are expected to then work 9 to 5 Iraqi time, without taking any time to get used to the time zone change. The agent who consulted the author felt that their constant exhaustion that resulted put the President's life at risk.

    My own experience includes, at my very first salaried programming job, where I wasn't paid very much and didn't get overtime pay, I was regularly expected to work twenty-hour days and once worked a twenty-nine hour day.

    When I was self-employed as a software consultant, quite often I'd work twenty hour days trying to make a milestone so I could get paid. Several times, when times were really hard, I worked forty-hour "days".

    Employers of salaried employees seem to feel quite justified in requiring their employees to work without enough sleep. I'd like to see legislation passed that forbids this. Even if your paid work isn't safety-critical, going without sleep needlessly puts lives at risk when you drive your car home. People are killed all the time when drivers fall asleep at the wheel.

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  13. Re:Cue the 3AM Defenestration jokes... by ubuwalker31 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I considered getting rid of my TV because I was staying up late watching the late night shows after a few solid hours of prime time TV watching...but technology saved me.

    I bought a DVR for my computer and recorded shows onto my computer and put them on my mp3 player to watch while commuting and at work when I was bored. Time shifting shows allows me to get the sleep I need.

  14. Re:More than 7 hours needed? Slashdot editors? by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, way to turn an article about sleep deprivation into a political diatribe. First of all, neither I nor any of my coworkers kill anyone. We are intelligence analysts, providing strategic guidance to GEN Petraeus. Second, I resent the implication that killing people leads to damaging a person mentally. Just because you disaprove of it doesn't mean it's on par with brain damage to those who choose to serve our country. Third, you obviously have NO concept of what is going in here so try to keep your uninformed opinions to yourself in the future.

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  15. Thats because we don't get... by 3seas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... month long vacations like in some european countries.
    And to think how the dollar is falling against the euro.... go figure...

    1. Re:Thats because we don't get... by delt0r · · Score: 3, Informative

      Who only gets one month? I get 6 weeks and you can back it up 3 years! One of the reasons I live in the EU now. The lifestyle is great.

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  16. Re:More than 7 hours needed? Slashdot editors? by Thaddeaus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Third, you obviously have NO concept of what is going in here so try to keep your uninformed opinions to yourself in the future. You must be new here...
  17. Not all managers are assholes by dreamchaser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've *made* employees go home and sleep during busy projects. Not only don't I want to risk their health, but why would I want half asleep zombies working for me? Balancing personal and professional life can be delicate these days, but a good manager knows how to keep his people productive and as happy as possible.

    I agree that there needs to be something done. I am loathe to have the Government get involved in our lives anymore than they already are, but you may be right that there needs to be some kind of regulation as to how long you can work an employee, be they salaried or not.

  18. Undoubtedly this affects the sex as well by oDDmON+oUT · · Score: 4, Funny

    As Americans don't even rate in the Top Ten Worldwide for frequency, according to the folks at Durex (and they should know!).

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    1. Re:Undoubtedly this affects the sex as well by fishthegeek · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude this is /. Not getting sex has more to do with the difficulty in finding a woman willing to dress up like Lt. Ohura and yell "Take me captain" repeatedly while laying on the floor of the home-made transporter room that used to be the basement.

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  19. Kids and trying to catch up, keep me awake by sckeener · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Staying awake with the kids is my number one issue....basically I have to stay awake longer than them and basically get up with them.

    Of course there are activities that I want to do that I can't when the kids are awake...so I end up staying awake longer just to do them....heck...last night I stayed up to watch the first volume of Death Note on DVD. I can't exactly let my 7 or 4 year olds see something that is rated for >=14yr olds.

    Wash, rise, repeat....= lack of sleep.

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  20. Re: Alarm for 7:20 by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 2, Funny


    Hehe, that would get me fired since I'm supposed to start at 7:00. But wait ! That would give me more time to sleep... but nothing to eat.

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  21. Re:Kids and trying to catch up, keep me awake by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Staying awake with the kids is my number one issue....basically I have to stay awake longer than them and basically get up with them.

    This gets exacerbated if one of your kids is a real early bird (would like to get up at 5:30 am), and the other one is a night owl (goes to sleep at 11 pm, but wakes up at 9 am).

  22. Re:Oh dear, I'm deprived too! by Heian-794 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Very informative data! I live in Japan and know that people don't sleep much here, but still, less than five percent of the people sleep for eight hours or more!

    In Japan, sleep deprivation is practically the national pastime -- may office workers, myself included for several years, can't sleep eight hours per day even if they climb into the futon the moment they get home from work. When you've got an hour-long commute and a 14-hour work day, this is what happens. Japanese husbands are often called inconsiderate pigs who only say three words to their wives when they get home: furo (bath), meshi (food), and neru (sleep). The problem is not that they're rude -- they're so exhausted that that's all they have the energy to say!

    My co-workers think I'm hopelessly lazy for wanting to sleep eight hours or more every day to keep my brain sharp -- they suggested sleeping in the nine minutes between getting on the train and changing lines!

    Yes, you're expected to be able to sleep in any position, in any environment. I supposed people with their level of chronic sleep deprivation can indeed fall asleep anywhere.

    Fortunately in my own situation, I got placed on the overnight shift. Now I have to endure sleeping in daylight, but at least I get eight hours or more every day!

    Sleep needs to be respected. You wouldn't try to live on 300 calories a day, would you? Even prisoners aren't treated that badly. So why are companies permitted to do comparable things to people's sleep?

  23. Help! by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Funny

    *slurp* What are these? What is this "bed" you speak of? What is this "sleep" everyone here keeps talking about? *slurp* And you do this when? At night? *slurp* Shouldn't you guys be doing something productive?

    *slurp*

    Mmmmmm....coffee!

    *slurp*

    1. Re:Help! by somersault · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, the upside is that we don't spend 7 hours everyday peeing!

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  24. It's even worse for some of us... by AdamWeeden · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In this day and age it seems as if most people exist on six hours a night, with eight being a luxury, and greater than that considered lazy. Unfortunately for me, I have narcolepsy (though fortunately the kind sans cataplexy). Six hours of sleep for me is no more than a tease, and more often I'd be better off just trying to stay up. Eight hours for me is how I'd imagine six hours would feel for someone normal: enough to make you feel as if you had slept, without being refreshing in any meaningful way. My body simply does not function well on less than ten hours sleep. On the weekends I've slept as much as sixteen hours a day (depending how much sleep I got during the weekdays). This would not be so bad if it were not for all the horrible life effects that sleeping as much as this has. I essentially can not have what normal people consider a social life. My wife feels like she hardly sees me. A friend of mine will ask me to go play some pool or something and I never end up going because I get ribbed for being an "old man" for NEEDING to go to bed by 10 or 11 PM on a WEEKEND. Anything greater would throw off my sleep schedule for the following week. I did find some nice medicine that helped GREATLY (only needed the normal 7-8 hours a night like anyone else!) but is unfortunately not covered by my insurance, and is thus out of my financial reach. (As an aside, you think software patents are bad? You should see the harm caused by some pharmacological patents. See that article for some detail). The alternative medication, that is covered, amounts to little more than legal meth which turns me into a zombie who doesn't need his sleep as much, but am otherwise intolerable. So be happy with your 6-8 hours, it could be worse.

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    1. Re:It's even worse for some of us... by AdamWeeden · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fortunately my doctor never dismissed me, but it took a WHILE before I got to a diagnosis. Went through a number of tests on various maladies such as a thyroid condition and the B12 deficiency you outlined. Was on B12 injections for a number of months, though without any improvement in my life. Only after being monitored during a sleep study was I able to get a diagnosis.

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    2. Re:It's even worse for some of us... by RowingMunkeyCU · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. I was having a lot of sleep issues when I first started college. Either not being able to get to sleep, or waking up in the middle of the night and not being able to get back to sleep. I also was having issues staying awake in classes. I managed to graduate, and same issues with my job. I was getting enough sleep at around 8 hours/night, and while my nutrition wasn't great, it wasn't horrible either. I was also taking a general multivitamin.

      I gave in and went to see the doc, he ran the standard tests (cholesterol and thyroid) and everything came back that I was perfectly healthy. So even with being athletic, and low weight, no apparent physiological issues, my doc wants to put me on sleep meds (ambien). I didn't want a fscking bandaid, I wanted a reason. He didn't want to run a sleep study, and I was unwilling to take meds with an increased incidence of sleep walking/driving.

      I gave up with the doctor route, and started taking a low dosage B-complex vitamin which I discovered through my own research can help if you're having sleep issues. Surprisingly, I started feeling a little better, but was still having sleep issues. So I upped the dosage to an extended release B-100 complex. Lo and behold, my sleep issues were almost nonexistent within a couple of days.

      So people, don't rely solely on your doctor to solve your problems. Do your own research (from legitimate sites like webmd) and see what you can come up with. Too often these days, doctors just don't care and are just looking for the quick fix to get you out of their office.

      **On a side note, I'm currently working over 80 hours/wk at 2 full-time jobs (one is overnight IT shift). I have weekends completely off, still manage to find time to get to the gym, have a decent family life and still feel relatively well rested. Yay B-100!

  25. teach yourself in 24 hours by nonewmsgs · · Score: 3, Funny

    but there are so many teach yourself in 24 hour books so i can learn everything but feel a little sleepy. maybe they could make the chapters longer and reduce it to teach yourself in 18 hours so i can get a little sleep.

  26. Huh? by rtobyr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Only one in ten Americans have children?

  27. Undersleep=overweight by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There seems to be a non-trivial correlation between lack of sleep and overweight.
    I think I read first about this sometime around the late 90's or early 2000's, and it seems logical: when you're overtired, your body reacts much as it does to starvation - increasing your appetite AND squirreling away calories (as fat) for the anticipated energy shortage.

    Experimenting as much as my job & family will allow, I find that if I get sufficient sleep - go to sleep when I'm tired, get up when I wake up, always try to get at LEAST 8 hours (I typically get 5-6 hours)...I've found that I slowly start shedding pounds without significantly changing my eating habits. Not insignificantly, I seem to FEEL better generally (although that of course could be placebo).

    But I can never manage that in "real" life for any extended time - hour commute, 9-10 hour work days - so, like most Americans I try to shoehorn in sleep 'when possible' and have to accept that I'll have this tiny 'lack of sleep' headache, and a bit of a gut, forever.

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  28. Re:Kids and trying to catch up, keep me awake by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me guess, you don't have kids, do you?

    Here's my situation. I have a 4 year old and a 9 month old. The 4 year old is great about getting to bed on time (around 7pm) and pretty much stays asleep all night... until about 5:45 am when he wakes up. This is, of course, 15-30 minutes before my alarm goes off on weekdays. Not enough time to go back to sleep, but enough time to feel the lack of enough sleep.

    My 9 month old, on the other hand, tends to be ready for some "daddy play time" around 7pm until around 8pm. We get him into his crib and he's good until around 11pm. That's when my wife and I typically go to bed, but that's also when he tends to fuss. He'll spit out his pacifier, then whine about not having it. If we don't get in there quickly, find the pacifier (tough to do in the dark sometimes), and plop it back in his mouth soon enough, he'll go into full cry mode and wake up his big brother (they sleep in the same room). Once he has the pacifier in his mouth, he relaxes and goes back to sleep... until he relaxes so much that the pacifier pops out again. Repeat this until I take him out and rock him (which seems to put him in a deep enough sleep sometimes) or until we take him into our bed.

    From 8pm until 11pm is when we get to do "adult" activities. No, not that! ;-) I get to work on my computer without my son pestering me to play TuxPaint or the baby whining because I'm not playing with him. My wife gets to knit without worrying about what the kids are up to. We get to watch TV that doesn't involve blue puppies or animated bunnies (Max & Ruby).

    The net effect is that we don't get to sleep until around midnight or later. Then we wake up at 5am. If you mix in a sick child (as our youngest one has been for the past few weeks), then you get even less sleep.

    I won't even elaborate on the night (not many weeks ago) when our youngest had a febrile seizure, stopped breathing for awhile, and wound up in the hospital for a few days. We actually went about 36 hours without any sleep (for obvious reasons). (He's ok now... we think.)

    The point is, kids are unpredictable, especially babies. Though you can try to impose a schedule and can be mostly successful, you can't expect them to fully adhere to your schedule. Things will happen that muck up those schedules. In addition, activities that *you* want to do (web development, coding, etc) are going to take a back seat to Candy Land and Blue's Clues until the kids are asleep. Then you either try to cram 5 hours of grown-up activities into 2 hours or you wind up giving up some of the things you like. Still, I wouldn't give up my kids for anything.

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  29. Re:Kids and trying to catch up, keep me awake by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Well, the first solution would be not to screw up your life by having kids... obviously."
    Too bad your parents didn't figure that out in time.

    Humm. Let's see having kids watching vs Death Note....
    Well in your case you have probably made the right choice.

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  30. Re:Cue the 3AM Defenestration jokes... by phillips321 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I watch the late night shows in the privacy of my home, the stuff I'm watching and want to do definitely would not be permitted on a bus! ;-)

  31. Re:More than 7 hours needed? Slashdot editors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You might want to ask some of the rapidly growing number of young people who are coming back with PTSD. You won't be able to ask the increasing number of military suicides.

    Actually, I think there's a pretty good case to be made that killing people does lead to mental damage. PTSD is rarely caused by revulsion or shock by one's own acts. It's generally caused by events that scare the crap out of you. In other words, it's nearly being killed by others that damages you, not killing them instead. Humans are generally better adapted to inflicting horrors on others than having them inflicted on themselves.
  32. I wouldn't advise it for everybody. by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Maggie Thatcher was notorious for existing on three to four hours a night and she wasn't exactly an underachiever. Much as I loath and detest her I'd be proud to have her level of achievement. Some people, with very little physical activity, can eat 4000 calories a day and never gain a single pound. I wouldn't advise it for everybody.

    Some people can eat nothing but cheese and meat and sugar and have low cholesterol and low triglycerides. I wouldn't advise it for everybody.

    Some people can go for years without seeing a dentist and end up with no cavities when they do finally visit. I wouldn't advise it for everybody.

    Some people smoke 3 packs a day and live to be 90 years old. I wouldn't advise it for everybody.

    Just because Margaret Thatcher could go for long periods with little sleep without falling apart doesn't mean that the rule of 7-9 hours for most people is wrong. People who try to refute rules that DO well apply almost everyone you'll ever meet by pointing out lone examples where they may not apply are doing nothing but trying to shout down useful guides for us mortal humans who aren't winners of the genetic lottery. Exceptions-driven rules are pointless when the simpler rule applies to 99.9% of the population.

    So, Margaret Thatcher may be able to work on 3-4 hours per night, but I think you can guess what I'd say to that.
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  33. which type of american? by soulprivate · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the article refers to *North*americans, *Central*americans or *South*americans? I am chilean (therefore, I *am* american) and we do not have the sleep problem over here.
    Yes, I RTFA, so be kind and note the sarcasm.

    1. Re:which type of american? by sckeener · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wish I could mod at this moment...but I posted instead.

      Thanks for pointing it out. I love pointing that fact out...that and I like pointing people to upside down world maps

      Since North and South are arbitrary, I always like seeing other countries on top...

      humbling

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  34. Re:More than 7 hours needed? Slashdot editors? by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes! Thank you for pointing this out. You are absolutely correct. I have never killed anyone, but I have issues with certain things as a result of being shot AT. I think I might have issues from not being ABLE to shoot back. I have talked with other vets (Air Force usually, from Vietnam) who have the same issues. The total lack of control, the randomness of it, the powerlessness... It's a crap situation under any circumstances.

    -b

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  35. Re:Cue the 3AM Defenestration jokes... by Basehart · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We turned our cable service off and returned the DVR at the end of last years Formula 1 season because that was pretty much all we watched on TV (all the kids stuff we buy on DVD or get from iTunes) but I'll tell ya, watching the European races live really hurts when you're on Pacific Time:

    1. Set the alarm for 3:30AM
    2. Cook full English breakfast
    3. Start drinking beer if Kimi is winning.
    4. Go to sleep ready for normal life

    With the 2008 season a week away from firing back into action I'm seriously considering staying TV/Cable free, not just because of sleep disorientation every two weeks but because the channel that carries it - SpeedTV - sucks so bad. They push ads for NASCAR and crummy Reality TV shows down your eyes constantly.

    As soon as the F1 folks realize there's a market for live streaming and/or downloadable HD F1 races the better.

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  37. Getting OT, I know... by Skevin · · Score: 2, Funny

    From my Slashdot journal:

    Defenestrate: to throw out of a window.
    Therefore could Fenestrate be defined as putting it back in?
    Could the same rule be applied to "Defecate"? Or is "fecation" simply the act of eating, in which case, I should invite my next date to "fecate" at a fancy restaurant?

    Solomon

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