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Domains Blocked By US Treasury 'Blacklist'

yuna49 writes "Adam Liptak of the New York Times reports today about the plight of a Spanish tour operator whose domain names have been embargoed by his domain name registrar (eNom). They pulled his domains after they discovered the tour operator's name on a US Treasury blacklist. It turns out he packages tours to Cuba largely for European tourists who can legally travel there, unlike Americans. The article cites 'a press release issued in December 2004, almost three years before eNom acted. It said Mr. Marshall's company had helped Americans evade restrictions on travel to Cuba and was "a generator of resources that the Cuban regime uses to oppress its people." It added that American companies must not only stop doing business with the company but also freeze its assets, meaning that eNom did exactly what it was legally required to do.' The only part of the operator's business in the United States is his domain name registration; all other aspects of his business lie outside the United States."

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  1. So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... are breaking the law if they go there?

    *gets out his eraser and starts removing that "Land Of The Free" line from all the songbooks...*

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    1. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nope... you're being genuinely, unambiguously uneducated. But not sarcastic.

      Cuba trades with Canada, Europe, Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil... but an AMERICAN embargo will force them to change. Yeah. That's working well, after four decades of communism, tourism, cheap gas, and free technology.

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    2. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by alx5000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, I see how the US is putting pressure on all the African countries with which they trade weapons, diamonds and oil...

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    3. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's called bullying. We bully Cuba because we can (and it appeases people in a state with a lot of electoral votes). We let China get away with human rights abuses because they're too big to bully. Wake up.

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    4. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by webmaster404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So which works better? Closing a country off from (what was once) the most free country in the world, or flooding the streets with American tourists who will tell the people about life in a free state. I think the latter would work much better, because it would be like if you grew up in say a prison cell you wouldn't know what life was like on the other side, however if you get thrown in prison its much worse and you want to get out of it. Believe it or not I am sure there are more Cubans who could change the government then government officials to keep it the way it is.

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    5. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Ardeaem · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Give one example of an embargo working. You can't - they only end up hurting innocent people and isolating countries so change is slower.

    6. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by LingNoi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US government is afraid Americans who go there would turn communist.. This is all about Communism, that's why you're not allowed to go there, because you might be re-educated.

    7. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by CharlieG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The whole Cuban embargo thing has totally to do with Florida being a swing state. Been that way since the 1970s.

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    8. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by matushorvath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why don't you do the "right thing" with North Korea as well? The Cuban embargo is plainly stupid, I just don't understand how anyone could not see it. You are effectively helping Castro to isolate the people in Cuba from the free world. The only thing they know about the free world is what Castro tells them. If they could meet real live US-ans on their family vacation in Cuba, they would at least be able to compare. If US businesses started operating in Cuba, Castro would have to be the bad guy who bans them, since otherwise his planned economy would quickly become irrelevant. As it is now, Castro can easily claim that the bad guys live in USA.

    9. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by LilGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a bit ironic to say that Americans are the only bit of the free world when they're restricted from even traveling to Cuba. Yet Europeans are free to travel as they please.

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    10. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by palegray.net · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No matter what the U.S. government says publicly regarding human rights, Cuba is embargoed for historical national security reasons. Whether those reasons are still valid is up for debate.

    11. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      America appears to be the only country that seems to think its the only free country. It really isn't. Its not even in the top 10 or 20% of free countries, civil rights wise. With a higher percentage of its poplation imprisoned than anywhere else in the world, and one of the last 'free' countries left with a Death sentence, the USA is a human rights dinosaur.

      But it still attempts to tell the world how we should follow [i]their[/i] example. No thanks, I actually like my freedoms.

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    12. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by compro01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fidel isn't, but Raul Castro is, and he's also mentioned by name in the Helms-Burton act.

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    13. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by davidsyes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WHEN is this country going to f*king LEARN!!!???? You DO NOT successfully, peacefully advance rogue countries by ostracising them. Even just recently, Cuba signed on to Human Rights covenants/laws now that Fidel Castro turned power over to his brother.

      There are "Americans" who have suffering relatives IN Cuba, (I believe there are permissions with limits on how much US citizens can send annually to Cuba), and it ought to be criminal to expect people to put on a uniform to potentially go and kill or threaten to kill relatives in OR outside the country.

      I think the US government and some wealthy are just royally pissed that Fidel, like Kim Jong-Il, didn't just 'vanish' or 'die". Castro outlived MULTIPLE US presidents... must be an embarrassment to the USA...

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    14. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Fjandr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If that were the case, we wouldn't be trading with China either. It's about American political ego being used against a country where it doesn't hurt the US economy to do so. When it comes to trading with abusive countries with large economies or something else to offer, the US government conveniently looks the other way. We trade with other countries that are far more abusive than Cuba.

      Try again later with the "doing what's right" herring.

    15. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Yes, but the reality is the Cuban embargo has nothing to do with politics, but has everything to do with Americans and American companies recovering the assets that they lost when the assets were nationalised. So the embargo will remain until the American organised crime families can get back the casinos that the Cubans people nationalised.

      So Cuban will not be accepted as a democracy by the US until, they turn themselves back into the working poor for American corporations. Of course whether the Cubans actually elect a leader or a military coup takes place establishing an autocracies, makes absolutely not the slightest bit of difference to the end of the embargo.

      All this does is highlight why other countries do not trust the current US administration with the central domain register, because as far as the current US administration is concerned, US corporate law is international law.

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    16. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Give one example of an embargo working. You can't - they only end up hurting innocent people and isolating countries so change is slower.

      The South African Apartheid regime collapsed due to pressure from sanctions. But the reasons were psychological, not economic. The regime saw itself as an unacknowledged part of the West, the rejection had real and visible effect. Once it became clear that the US was also on the brink of rejecting it, the regime crumbled.

      The Cuban situation is exactly the reverse, the only thing keeping Castro in power was the fact that he had successfully stood up to the US when it had acted as a big bully.

      The human rights issue is not likely to be very effective when the US is running the best known gulag and torture house on the island.

      This is a case where trade can have a positive effect and every policy maker in DC knows it, even the Republicans. The only reason that the embargo is kept in place is to pander to the Cuban vote in Florida.

      Thats the way ethnic politics are played in the US. While mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani would attack terrorism over lunch in Brooklyn, then head off for dinner to give a 'humanitarian award' to the leader of the terrorist group that has caused by far the most deaths in Europe. Different constituencies, different positions. I don't think he was pro-Israel or pro-IRA, he just wanted the votes and would do anything it took to get them.

      The people the politicians pander to are your usual expatriate irredentists, they can afford to refuse all compromise, they don't live with the consequences.

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    17. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No one wants a communist bastille in our backyard.
      This might have been a valid argument when the USSR was still going (and even then there's ample evidence that Castro has turned to the USSR only because of initial ill-will from US). But it's pointless for the last, what, 15 years?
    18. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The US government is afraid Americans who go there would turn communist.. This is all about Communism, that's why you're not allowed to go there, because you might be re-educated.

      Most likely the fear isn't that Americans would turn Communist, but that seeing Cuba as it actually is would undo over half a century of US propaganda about Communism. They might even start questioning other things the US Government claims. Which would be very bad news indeed for past and present members of Congress, the White House, the CIA, NSA, etc, etc.

    19. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And our gulag is in Cuba, too! Right across the no-man's land at Guantanamo Bay! That's an amazingly good example for the Cubans of how seriously we take human rights and due process.

    20. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The USA has *never* been the most free country in the world. Never. From our acceptance of slavery at the time of the Declaration of Independence, to our Civil War and unconstititional subjugation of the southern states when they legally attempted to secede, to our legalized segregation of blacks, to our imprisonment of the Japanese-Americans during World War II, to our drug wars on alcohol and marijuana, to our re-activated use of secret prisons and wiretaping without warrants and torture without trial, we have *never* been the most free.

      We do keep trying, and we're a big step up from most of the world. But we're not there yet, and this administration has certainly hurt us.

    21. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those that beckon to strengthen the Cuban economy are perceived by the US as ignorant dupes, serving to undermine the security of the United States. And it has been perceived that way for the last 40 years (so people don't think this is a Bush-ism). By in large, those that are in a hurry to open trade with Cuba are usually completely lost as to what it means to national security.

      Does the strenght of Cuban economy actually matter ? There is no way Cuba is going to launch a succesfull invasion on the US on its own, no matter how strong its economy; and if it is used as a stronghold by another power, it again doesn't matter.

      If anything, having ties of trade to the US would make Cuba less likely to allow another country to attack its trading partner through it...

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  2. And yet... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many here would decry the Chinese and assorted third world countries for censorship of the internet, and yet, here we (in the US) act no differently. It makes me wonder how many things we just don't see, because the DNS entry doesn't even show up.

    Are we truly free? Or is that just an illusion?

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    1. Re:And yet... by techno-vampire · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This has nothing to do with censorship. If he had registered his domain in Europe, there'd be no problem. Nobody would be trying to prevent people in America from viewing his site. Personally, I think it was stupid to embargo the domain, but let's not use the straw man of censorship to show our disapproval.

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  3. Looks like there's some merit by KublaiKhan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...to the EU's argument that censorship restricts free trade. This looks to be a fairly clear example where censorship caused direct economic difficulties.

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  4. Bullshit by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Of course it's bullshit. But what is eNom to do? They are in the same spot as any other American company. What we should be doing electing politicians that have the sanity to ignore the screeching Cuban expats in Miami, and scrap the embargo, which if anything only keeps the Castro Brothers in power.

    But, this travel company has learned another lesson: Don't buy domains from eNom, they suck in so many ways....

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    1. Re:Bullshit by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The "screeching Cuban expats" are American VOTERS. Democracy works this way.

      Want a different policy? Organize like-minded people to VOTE appropriately.

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    2. Re:Bullshit by arivanov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. The only reason for the Castro brothers to outlive the fall of the iron curtain is the embargo. If the USA lifted the embargo in 1990 Cuba would have been a democracy by now. It would have taken a few million pounds transfers to "opposition" to make that happen like in Eastern Europe, but there would have been a result none the less. The embargo is the main reason why this has never happened and may never happen.

      IMO, we have missed the boat there. With people like Chavez waving suitcases of cash placing a few millions here and there is no longer effective. He can simply outbid the "West" and keep the Castro regime alive for a very long time.

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  5. This is very disturbing by spleen_blender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, this has me chilled to the bone. Ignoring the ridiculousness that in a "free" country we have "travel restrictions", the fact that they can legally perform such blocking with little or no recourse alone has me shaking.

    I fear we are too trustworthy in the robustness of the internet and I'm even more afraid of the day if the powers at large decide the bring the hammer down. I don't think net neutrality legislation would be effective against a determined oppressor, it only takes a few dragging anchors for them to tear through a few laws.

  6. irony by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It said Mr. Marshall's company had helped Americans evade restrictions on travel to Cuba and was 'a generator of resources that the Cuban regime uses to oppress its people.'
    I don't think they fully appreciate the irony of that statement. trying to stop funds from tourism being used to oppress cuba by restricting the travel of americans and censoring anyone remotely connected to the USA.
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  7. easy enough to fix by petes_PoV · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just go with a non-american ISP/domain name reistrar. It's not as if the US rules the planet, there are plenty of ways to continue working without their say-so or approval. Just move to a free locationa and continue with your legitimate business.

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    1. Re:easy enough to fix by corsec67 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not as if the US rules the planet, there are plenty of ways to continue working without their say-so or approval. Just move to a free locationa and continue with your legitimate business.


      Bush and congress are trying to fix that. Welcome to Amerika; lets us make a copy of the data on your laptop, show us your papers, and watch what you say outside of a free-speech zone.
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  8. Use a european registrar by sjwest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No issues then, any european who trades with an american firm is asking for problems.

  9. Wikileaks, now eNom... by MacDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many here would decry the Chinese and assorted third world countries for censorship of the internet, and yet, here we (in the US) act no differently.

    It sounds as thought the great firewall of America will be installed sooner or later. Apparently all it would take is a judge and software that has already been developed, tested, and deployed by American companies in China. Not that it's anything new... we've been censoring the internet for more than a decade now in the name of copyright with the 1997 NET Act. It appears the nationalist crowd has modded you flamebait early... maybe some sane meta-mods will take care of that.

  10. With great power.. by RenHoek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Undoubtably I'll be modded down to flamebait, but as a non-US citizen I get pretty tired of the US trying to be the 'policeman of the world' and at the same time pull these underhanded tricks.

    Another example I came upon today is how the White House was planning to overthrow the democratically chosen Hamas party, because it didn't stroke with their plans.

    What happened with "With great power comes great responsibility"? The US is just acting as the schoolyard bully.

    Note that I understand that "The US" != "all US citizens", but please, you're the only ones that can do something about this. So please do so.

  11. You have to love our freedoms by Cracked+Pottery · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We can trade out the ass with Red China, and cozy up to Uzbekistan, but Cuba, no es posible. Why? Because Cubans who fled Cuba after the revolution because they wanted their comfort and money more than they wanted to stay and fight, now control a lot more political power in America than they should. We can ask if Cuba really has it that bad. Its major export is educated people. Doctors, mostly. Can we acknowledge that maybe individual greed doesn't steer everything in the right direction all the time? Sure Cuba has poor folks. Do we care about poor folks in Cuba more than we care about the Americans that were left stranded in New Orleans after Katrina for political reasons? Not this year. The US has more people in prison than any other country in the world. Yes, and that is not by percentage. Cut the bullshit, we need to get over our sense of exceptionalism.

    1. Re:You have to love our freedoms by Deadbolt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another difference that you fail to mention is that we (the US) have been meddling in Cuba's affairs for damn near 100 years, including dozens of documented attempts to assassinate their head of state. For some reason, Cubans find this behavior objectionable, and the idea of seized assets dating before most of them were born being the justification for this conduct is laughable.

      God knows I'm not saying the Castros are happy little fuzzy angels who never did no wrong, but it's indisputable that they're a damn sight better than some of the thugs we happily deal with in the rest of the world. It's ridiculous and childish to blame everything on them, but it plays well in certain areas of south Florida which hold disproportionate power come election time.

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  12. So why compare yourselves with China? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You'd hope USA would compare itself with the top end of the freedom scale, and not the bottom.

    http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=389&year=2007 USA 16th

    But do you really expect people to think freely if they've been spouting the pledge of allegence since they were 5?

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  13. The underlying problem by rossz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This problem, like many others, can be fixed by one simple thing. FORCING OUR DAMN GOVERNMENT TO ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION.

    Our Constitution is quite possibly the greatest piece of law ever written in the history of mankind. Unfortunately, the politicians (both democrats and republicans) have decided it can be ignored at will. We need to change this. We need to force every aspect of the government to operate under the full strength of our Constitution.

    No more seizing property without due process.
    No more stifling free speech just because it might offend somebody.
    No more wiretaps of citizens and legal residents to fight terrorists without a court order signed by a REAL judge.
    No more government agencies that aren't sanctioned by the Constitution (list to long to put here).

    I am sicked by any politician who doesn't consider the Constitution the most sacred document in existence. Which means I'm sicked by ALL politicians.

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  14. Re:Pay Attention by Naughty+Bob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That which passes for 'left wing' in the US is to the far right by the rest of humanity's standards. Try again, this time with perspective.

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  15. Re:Sheesh, it's almost like... by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's almost like we're kind of pissed at the Castro family for encouraging the Soviet Union to launch those nuclear missiles he had on his island.

    Yes, its almost like we're immature children who spitefully cling to their hatred long after the conflict is over and everyone else has grown up and gotten over it.

    Hell, we've even made peace with the country that actually designed, built, and deployed the missles to cuba. You know, the country that actually owned them and put them their with the express purpose of creating a threat? The country that the 'cold war' was actually with? We made peace with them. But apparently our rage for a dying old man whose island they were on... for him... our hatred is boundless.

    Grow up aready.

    Yes, -1 Not conforming with majority opinion

    No. -1 for being an immature and childish country.

    You know, because of that whole trying to murder tens of millions of us and all.

    You might want to check your history. The Soviets put missiles in Cuba in response to the fact that the USA put missiles in Turkey. Not that it stops their of course, the cold war was a series of moves and responses, but the point remains... Castro was a PAWN in a much bigger game of chess [er... global thermonuclear war] and his role and personal relevance was laughably minor.

  16. Embargo America by LingNoi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why? Because the Castro government confiscated (read "stole") all property in Cuba that was owned by US private citizens and corporations and has not to this day compensated them for their losses. Why? Because the US government confiscated (read "stole") EU domain names in the US that was owned by EU private citizens and corporations and has not to this day compensated them for their losses.
  17. So what exactly is the difference by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what exactly is the difference between Cuba and China? Oh, that's right! China makes cheap shit for Walmart. And they support American corporations, which is what you right-wing loonies really mean when you talk about "spreading democracy." That is, spreading corporate influence around the globe. That's Cuba's real crime. They won't let the American corporations back in. Does anybody not understand this?

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