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Domains Blocked By US Treasury 'Blacklist'

yuna49 writes "Adam Liptak of the New York Times reports today about the plight of a Spanish tour operator whose domain names have been embargoed by his domain name registrar (eNom). They pulled his domains after they discovered the tour operator's name on a US Treasury blacklist. It turns out he packages tours to Cuba largely for European tourists who can legally travel there, unlike Americans. The article cites 'a press release issued in December 2004, almost three years before eNom acted. It said Mr. Marshall's company had helped Americans evade restrictions on travel to Cuba and was "a generator of resources that the Cuban regime uses to oppress its people." It added that American companies must not only stop doing business with the company but also freeze its assets, meaning that eNom did exactly what it was legally required to do.' The only part of the operator's business in the United States is his domain name registration; all other aspects of his business lie outside the United States."

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  1. So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... are breaking the law if they go there?

    *gets out his eraser and starts removing that "Land Of The Free" line from all the songbooks...*

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    1. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      *gets out his eraser and starts removing that "Land Of The Free" line from all the songbooks...*

      Sorry, that's also illegal.

      j/k ;)

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    2. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

      You know, you never see Bush and Castro in the same picture ... like Clark Kent and Superman ...

      ... except that Castro wasn't a coward who had daddy pull strings for him, isn't a drunken coke-head, etc.

      You know, you never see Cheney and Castro in the same picture ... like ... nah - if Castro pointed a gun at your head and pulled the trigger, drunk or not, you'd be dead ...

      You know, you never see Condaleeza Rice and Castro in the same picture ...

    3. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nope... you're being genuinely, unambiguously uneducated. But not sarcastic.

      Cuba trades with Canada, Europe, Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil... but an AMERICAN embargo will force them to change. Yeah. That's working well, after four decades of communism, tourism, cheap gas, and free technology.

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    4. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by alx5000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, I see how the US is putting pressure on all the African countries with which they trade weapons, diamonds and oil...

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    5. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it's called bullying. We bully Cuba because we can (and it appeases people in a state with a lot of electoral votes). We let China get away with human rights abuses because they're too big to bully. Wake up.

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    6. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Ardeaem · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Give one example of an embargo working. You can't - they only end up hurting innocent people and isolating countries so change is slower.

    7. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by LilGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's a bit ironic to say that Americans are the only bit of the free world when they're restricted from even traveling to Cuba. Yet Europeans are free to travel as they please.

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    8. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      America appears to be the only country that seems to think its the only free country. It really isn't. Its not even in the top 10 or 20% of free countries, civil rights wise. With a higher percentage of its poplation imprisoned than anywhere else in the world, and one of the last 'free' countries left with a Death sentence, the USA is a human rights dinosaur.

      But it still attempts to tell the world how we should follow [i]their[/i] example. No thanks, I actually like my freedoms.

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    9. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by compro01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fidel isn't, but Raul Castro is, and he's also mentioned by name in the Helms-Burton act.

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    10. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Zeinfeld · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Give one example of an embargo working. You can't - they only end up hurting innocent people and isolating countries so change is slower.

      The South African Apartheid regime collapsed due to pressure from sanctions. But the reasons were psychological, not economic. The regime saw itself as an unacknowledged part of the West, the rejection had real and visible effect. Once it became clear that the US was also on the brink of rejecting it, the regime crumbled.

      The Cuban situation is exactly the reverse, the only thing keeping Castro in power was the fact that he had successfully stood up to the US when it had acted as a big bully.

      The human rights issue is not likely to be very effective when the US is running the best known gulag and torture house on the island.

      This is a case where trade can have a positive effect and every policy maker in DC knows it, even the Republicans. The only reason that the embargo is kept in place is to pander to the Cuban vote in Florida.

      Thats the way ethnic politics are played in the US. While mayor of New York, Rudy Giuliani would attack terrorism over lunch in Brooklyn, then head off for dinner to give a 'humanitarian award' to the leader of the terrorist group that has caused by far the most deaths in Europe. Different constituencies, different positions. I don't think he was pro-Israel or pro-IRA, he just wanted the votes and would do anything it took to get them.

      The people the politicians pander to are your usual expatriate irredentists, they can afford to refuse all compromise, they don't live with the consequences.

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    11. Re:So Americans Who Sympathize With Cuba... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The USA has *never* been the most free country in the world. Never. From our acceptance of slavery at the time of the Declaration of Independence, to our Civil War and unconstititional subjugation of the southern states when they legally attempted to secede, to our legalized segregation of blacks, to our imprisonment of the Japanese-Americans during World War II, to our drug wars on alcohol and marijuana, to our re-activated use of secret prisons and wiretaping without warrants and torture without trial, we have *never* been the most free.

      We do keep trying, and we're a big step up from most of the world. But we're not there yet, and this administration has certainly hurt us.

  2. And yet... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many here would decry the Chinese and assorted third world countries for censorship of the internet, and yet, here we (in the US) act no differently. It makes me wonder how many things we just don't see, because the DNS entry doesn't even show up.

    Are we truly free? Or is that just an illusion?

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  3. Looks like there's some merit by KublaiKhan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...to the EU's argument that censorship restricts free trade. This looks to be a fairly clear example where censorship caused direct economic difficulties.

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  4. This is very disturbing by spleen_blender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I mean, this has me chilled to the bone. Ignoring the ridiculousness that in a "free" country we have "travel restrictions", the fact that they can legally perform such blocking with little or no recourse alone has me shaking.

    I fear we are too trustworthy in the robustness of the internet and I'm even more afraid of the day if the powers at large decide the bring the hammer down. I don't think net neutrality legislation would be effective against a determined oppressor, it only takes a few dragging anchors for them to tear through a few laws.

  5. Re:Bullshit by arivanov · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Exactly. The only reason for the Castro brothers to outlive the fall of the iron curtain is the embargo. If the USA lifted the embargo in 1990 Cuba would have been a democracy by now. It would have taken a few million pounds transfers to "opposition" to make that happen like in Eastern Europe, but there would have been a result none the less. The embargo is the main reason why this has never happened and may never happen.

    IMO, we have missed the boat there. With people like Chavez waving suitcases of cash placing a few millions here and there is no longer effective. He can simply outbid the "West" and keep the Castro regime alive for a very long time.

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  6. Wikileaks, now eNom... by MacDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many here would decry the Chinese and assorted third world countries for censorship of the internet, and yet, here we (in the US) act no differently.

    It sounds as thought the great firewall of America will be installed sooner or later. Apparently all it would take is a judge and software that has already been developed, tested, and deployed by American companies in China. Not that it's anything new... we've been censoring the internet for more than a decade now in the name of copyright with the 1997 NET Act. It appears the nationalist crowd has modded you flamebait early... maybe some sane meta-mods will take care of that.

  7. With great power.. by RenHoek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Undoubtably I'll be modded down to flamebait, but as a non-US citizen I get pretty tired of the US trying to be the 'policeman of the world' and at the same time pull these underhanded tricks.

    Another example I came upon today is how the White House was planning to overthrow the democratically chosen Hamas party, because it didn't stroke with their plans.

    What happened with "With great power comes great responsibility"? The US is just acting as the schoolyard bully.

    Note that I understand that "The US" != "all US citizens", but please, you're the only ones that can do something about this. So please do so.

  8. How about blocking Saudi travel firms by MrSteveSD · · Score: 5, Informative
    The article says...

    ...a generator of resources that the Cuban regime uses to oppress its people

    Well what about the billions in military aid given to Saudi Arabia, one of the most oppressive regimes in the world?. Cuba is Disney Land compared to Saudi Arabia. What about all that money going towards oppressing the Saudi people? Imagine some big democracy movement started in Saudi Arabia and tried to overthrow the dictatorship. The Saudi government would no doubt use all the weapons we have been selling them against their own people.

    US policy toward Cuba is not about the dictatorship. The US has supported and created many dictatorships in that part of the world. The US policy towards Cuba is based on anger over losing control of the country. It's like Britain banning citizens from travelling to the US because the US had the cheek to declare independence.

    The fact there is a US base in an 'enemy' country is a little clue as to how Cuba has been treated in the past. Don't expect the mainstream media to talk about it though. The US occupied Cuba after independence from Spain and refused to leave unless the Cubans agreed to a list of items (the Platt Amendment). Among that rather imperialistic list of requirements was a permanent military base at Guantanamo bay.

    Of course if Castro had been a business friendly right-wing dictator, it could have been a smooth transition from Batista's rule. You wouldn't be hearing the US making big noises about the lack of democracy at all.
  9. So why compare yourselves with China? by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You'd hope USA would compare itself with the top end of the freedom scale, and not the bottom.

    http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=389&year=2007 USA 16th

    But do you really expect people to think freely if they've been spouting the pledge of allegence since they were 5?

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  10. Re:Bullshit by RenderSeven · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Exactly. The only reason for the Castro brothers to outlive the fall of the iron curtain is the embargo.
    Maybe. An interesting thing I picked up traveling the Caribbean and talking to a lot of natives is how they want Cuba to stay on the embargo list. The last thing, say, Aruba wants is a huge island paradise thats almost within walking distance of Miami. Especially with airline fuel costing what it does. If Cuba were open again, tourism throughout the rest of the islands, and Mexico and Central America would take a huge hit. And that loss of income is politically destabilizing as well. There's more at work here than sheer stupidity.
  11. The underlying problem by rossz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This problem, like many others, can be fixed by one simple thing. FORCING OUR DAMN GOVERNMENT TO ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION.

    Our Constitution is quite possibly the greatest piece of law ever written in the history of mankind. Unfortunately, the politicians (both democrats and republicans) have decided it can be ignored at will. We need to change this. We need to force every aspect of the government to operate under the full strength of our Constitution.

    No more seizing property without due process.
    No more stifling free speech just because it might offend somebody.
    No more wiretaps of citizens and legal residents to fight terrorists without a court order signed by a REAL judge.
    No more government agencies that aren't sanctioned by the Constitution (list to long to put here).

    I am sicked by any politician who doesn't consider the Constitution the most sacred document in existence. Which means I'm sicked by ALL politicians.

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  12. Re:Sheesh, it's almost like... by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's almost like we're kind of pissed at the Castro family for encouraging the Soviet Union to launch those nuclear missiles he had on his island.

    Yes, its almost like we're immature children who spitefully cling to their hatred long after the conflict is over and everyone else has grown up and gotten over it.

    Hell, we've even made peace with the country that actually designed, built, and deployed the missles to cuba. You know, the country that actually owned them and put them their with the express purpose of creating a threat? The country that the 'cold war' was actually with? We made peace with them. But apparently our rage for a dying old man whose island they were on... for him... our hatred is boundless.

    Grow up aready.

    Yes, -1 Not conforming with majority opinion

    No. -1 for being an immature and childish country.

    You know, because of that whole trying to murder tens of millions of us and all.

    You might want to check your history. The Soviets put missiles in Cuba in response to the fact that the USA put missiles in Turkey. Not that it stops their of course, the cold war was a series of moves and responses, but the point remains... Castro was a PAWN in a much bigger game of chess [er... global thermonuclear war] and his role and personal relevance was laughably minor.