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Spacecraft to Fly Through Geyser Plumes On Saturn Moon

Riding with Robots writes "Today the robotic Saturn probe Cassini will make its closest buzz ever over the surface of the enigmatic ice moon Enceladus, whose surprising giant water geysers hint at a hidden ocean of liquid water. The spacecraft will fly right through the tops of the geyser plumes in order to sample the material that originated beneath the surface. NASA is offering a video, interactive guide and image gallery in advance of the event."

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  1. It really has the sensors for this? by tmroyster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It can really analyse the water samples? Wow, I'm impressed.

    NASA really wants the probe to get a wash down.

    1. Re:It really has the sensors for this? by rijrunner · · Score: 5, Informative


          The probe was going to be flying around the rings of Saturn, so they added the Cosmic Dust Analyzer, which can analyze dust particles. For the type of thing they are doing here, they can treat water as a dust particle as it will freeze. It is particulate matter.

    2. Re:It really has the sensors for this? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

      It can really analyse the water samples? Wow, I'm impressed.

      This...is...Star Trek! ;-)

      Actually, you can do quite a lot with computer-controlled devices that the original manufacturer did not intend originally. Galileo, for one thing, was capable of transmitting a huge amount of data even though it was crippled so much that anyone except the JPL people would probably give up. I bow to those guys. Perhaps they are going to use this?

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    3. Re:It really has the sensors for this? by iamlucky13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It should be noted, it also has a mass spectrometer. While this can't identify whether a given particle is dust or ice, I believe it can determine the ratio, so while measuring density on the cosmic dust analyzer, they can make a good guess how much of it is water and how much is dust based on the results from the spectrometer.

      And furthermore, Cassini will fly a mere 32 miles over the surface of Enceladeus. Considering the detail visible from 2600+ miles away on a pass several years ago, there should be a couple really great images result from this pass.

      It's rather amazing to think that NASA can successfully fly this spacecraft within 32 miles of an object 300 miles in diameter, while moving at 32,000 mph in an elliptical orbit that carries it over 1 million miles away from Saturn at the extreme, with very limited manuevering fuel. Go Cassini!

  2. Pictures available later by sighted · · Score: 4, Informative

    I should add that although the closest approach to Enceladus is happening as I type this, Cassini won't have a chance to turn its antenna toward Earth until later this evening (U.S. time). The downlink will take several hours, so the first pictures probably won't be publicly available until tomorrow.

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    1. Re:Pictures available later by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 3, Informative

      Early afternoon is, I believe, the plan. JPL (http://jpl.nasa.gov) and CICLOPS (http://ciclops.org) are both planning releases that I know of.

    2. Re:Pictures available later by sighted · · Score: 2, Informative

      Definitely, but there should be some interesting shots from other portions of the flyby, especially of the north polar region, not to mention the other kinds of data that is expected to come down.

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    3. Re:Pictures available later by Peter+Lake · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cassini started sending the data back to Earth few hours ago (around 7:00 pm PDT). Hopefully we'll get to see the first images by thursday morning about 5:00 AM PTD.

      Here's an animation of the flyby, you can see the spacecraft's close trajectory and how various instruments in their turn take measurements of Enceladus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pfz1n6tMUg

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  3. Been there, done that by garett_spencley · · Score: 4, Funny

    I already sampled the water from the geysers on Enceladus back in '78 at a Greatful Dead concert.

    Tasted kind of sweet with a hint of mint.

    NASA needs to get with the times. They've got 30 years of catching up to do.

  4. Do they have windshield wipers? by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If they don't have wipers on their nice expensive spaceship isn't there a chance they could ruin the camera images with droplets and splattered bugs etc?

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    1. Re:Do they have windshield wipers? by ShatteredArm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd think they'd be happy to make such a groundbreaking discovery as bugs on Saturn's moon.

  5. Weight restrictions and tradeoffs by StefanJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, the initial plans called for wipers, but that would have required another .4 kg of expensive plutonium pellets in the RTG, and the added mass of the motor, intermittent-wipe controller, and the mechanism for changing spare wiper blades would have meant that the hermetically sealed capsule containing the Blob (frozen by Steve McQueen in the 1950s) would have been bumped to another deep-space probe.

  6. yay for space diseases! by Satanboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe it will find something like the andromeda strain.

    Now, that would be something.

  7. good ol days by ezwip · · Score: 2, Funny

    I remember the good old days when they'd tell you to rewrite your book report for talking about water in space.

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  8. Re:Where's Google...? by Corf · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This is pretty close. On a related note, HOLY SHIT. I used to think orbital dynamics and the physics of space navigation were way over my head. Now, I realize they're way way way over my head. Does this thing even have thrusters of any kind, or did they shoot it into the sky, give it a push, and all this was planned out?

    Hats off to the JPL nerds who made this work. I am floored.

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  9. Oblig... by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's no moon!

  10. Arthur C Clarke reference by delibes · · Score: 2, Interesting
    In 2061 (written over 20 years ago now) captain Smith fuels his spacecraft with water from Halley's comet and then flies through a geyser to clean the ship. The 'cosmic car wash manoeuvre' always struck me as crazily risky, but now it looks like someone at NASA thinks it's good clean fun :) Hopefully Cassini won't get too much of a blast at a distance of 50km.

    Also, since there's hydrocarbons on Titan and ice in the rings and moons of Saturn, I think Clarke picked the wrong gas giant to send his characters to! Saturn's got it going on.

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    1. Re:Arthur C Clarke reference by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Clarke did pick Saturn. Kubrick changed it to Jupiter to make the special effects easier. The sequels to 2001 were written as sequels to the movie, not to the book.

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    2. Re:Arthur C Clarke reference by rbanffy · · Score: 2, Informative

      For 2001, Clarke picked up Saturn. The monolith was in Iapetus.

      Only the movie (and subsequent books) mentions Jupiter. It makes sense, as more people watched the movie than read the book. In the book, they use Jupiter to accelerate Discovery towards Saturn, but Kubrick (IIRC) thought this would confuse the audience (like the Bowman meeting with the monolith in the hotel room after the psychedelic trip would be readily understood) and Saturn was dropped. Douglas Trumbull used the techniques developed during this in Silent Running.

      It's all fairly well explained in 2010 (the book).

      And, BTW, when Cassini passes through the plume, it will be close to vacuum, barely detectable.

  11. *Tops* of the Plumes!? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 5, Informative

    The spacecraft is flying 200 km from the south pole of Enceladus. The plume extends *thousands* of kilometers into space. We're not passing through the top of the plume by any means. We're getting right into it.

  12. Obligatory? by spun · · Score: 4, Funny

    You all keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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  13. Re:*Tops* of the Plumes!? by tcolberg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think NASA would put Cassini into any significant danger, considering that the probe is still doing a lot of good work. But think of the science being done here! This is why we should be putting more money into our robotic missions. We don't even need to qualify them by saying they can do some things more efficiently than humans, they can do things right NOW that we meatbags have no chance of doing for at LEAST another century!

  14. Re:Where's Google...? by icebrain · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes, it has thrusters. Midcourse corrections happen every now and then.

    It's not so much that orbital mechanics is hard; a lot of it is just brute-force computation. The hard part is getting reliable data to base said computation on.

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  15. ALL THESE WORLDS..... by up2ng · · Score: 2, Funny

    All These Planets Are Yours Except Europa, Attempt No Landing There ...

    I know it's not Jupiter

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  16. Re:Where's Google...? by isomeme · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Getting good data is hard, but good course planning is also hard. It's easy to find an orbit that will work; push an object sideways around a mass at any of a wide range of velocities, and voila, it's in an orbit.

    What's hard -- and really as much an art as a science -- is taking the laws of orbital mechanics, the very restricted maneuvering-fuel budget, and several thousand science goals (often mutually excusive), and turning them into an efficient mission plan.

    Then add to that dealing with the unexpected. The Cassini team had a whole orbital tour worked out before launch, then discovered while the probe was already en route to Saturn that they needed to completely change the orbital geometry for the Huygens probe's Titan descent to compensate for a radio design snafu. They succeeded in not only rejiggering nearly all the planned science to fit into a new orbital tour, but also in grabbing a few resulting new opportunities for observations along the changed route.

    The best analogy I can think of is to the difference between generating a set of legal chess moves, and a set of good chess moves.

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  17. Re:Where's Google...? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Informative

    Very true, although it's a bit more complicated still: chaos pretty well guarantees that even if you plan out a great trajectory in advance, you'll drift and end up in trouble down-stream. Plus there are inevitable changes required due to problems (like with Huygens or changing models of the Titan atmosphere) ...

    It's not so much "trouble", but rather using up more course adjustment fuel to compensate for errors in reality versus the model. After every moon pass-by they can use the cameras to check the probe's orbit against the model, and make adjustments with small rocket firings. The less fuel you have, the shorter the mission and/or less chances to change your mind.

    But Cassini is on an amazing pinball ride.

  18. Re:Where's Google...? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    needed to completely change the orbital geometry for the Huygens probe's Titan descent to compensate for a radio design snafu.

    That's an amazing story in itself. The dude who discovered the problem did it on a hunch, barely got funding to check into the issue, and was almost ignored when he uncovered the problem. It would make a great "nerd drama" movie.