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BBC Offers iPhone Version of iPlayer, Accessible to Linux Users Too

smallfries writes "After a long battle with Linux users in the UK, the BBC was forced into releasing a flash version of the iPlayer streaming service to fulfill their obligations to license-fee payers. After claiming that development of Linux and Mac versions of the iPlayer would take two years, Auntie Beeb has rushed to support the iPhone. iPhone users 'can be trusted' because their platform is locked down ... so the beeb opened a non-DRM hole in the iPlayer to support them. This was guarded by the extreme security of User Agent strings! Long story short, Linux and Mac users have made their own non-DRM, non-Microsoft platform from firebug and wget. UK users can now watch (and keep) their favorite BBC shows."

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  1. How long? by pipatron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And how long will this stay?

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    1. Re:How long? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 2, Informative



      It doesn't weaken their position. The BBC have always been very up front in saying that they are having difficulty allowing Linux users to download tv shows in the same way that they allow Windows users because only on Windows are they able to ensure that the video is not redistributed. They have done their best in allowing streaming of the shows which is as good in many circumstances and have stated that they are trying to find ways of offering the full service to Linux users. Given the tiny fraction of computer users that use Linux, it's pretty inclusive of them.

      The article summary is hopelessly inflammatory. But that's no surprise given recent Slashdot editorial policy. The aim seems to be to drive up the number of posts at any cost including accuracy.

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    2. Re:How long? by leenks · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes. The BBC is commonly known as "Auntie Beeb" after a 1980's comedian made the term popular.

    3. Re:How long? by RalphSleigh · · Score: 4, Informative
      Yes they do use windows DRM, but they also make sure that their customers are educated on all sides of the issus

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6944830.stm

      Various tools have been created to strip files of the DRM, such as FairUse4WM, a program released in August 2006 by a hacker named Viodentia. Nine days after the crack first appeared, Microsoft released a new version to prevent FairUse4WM from working. Within three days hackers released a new version of the tool. The tool can be used to strip DRM from programmes with the BBC iPlayer.
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    4. Re:How long? by smallfries · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The article summary is hopelessly inflammatory.

      Thank you, I do try my best although Zonk has ruined it in a couple of places.

      The basis of the BBC's argument has been (as you've stated) that platforms without DRM cannot be trusted. But the reason that this argument is false, and why it is now weakened in the light of their iPhone hole is that you're not worried about redistribution within the trusted enironment. The point is that once something has been stripped out of its DRM covering it can be freely passed around. The idea that Linux is less capable of supporting DRM than windows is a Red Herring. They are both equally capable when it comes to running snakeoil.

      The "strong" DRM that the BBC relies on is in fact security through obscurity. The annoying features (such as downloads timing out and self-destructing) can be worked around easily. The "protection" that the BBC has for content distributed through the windows platform is illusionary. Plenty of people had already extracted the FLAC containers from the streaming service before, it was just more of a pain in he arse to do so.

      The real point is that it can be done, there is no real protection (only obscurity) and publically stating that there are technical barriers to Mac and Linux support that would take 2 years is laughable. I don't know if you had a look at the three source pages (they're on the second page of the reg article), but the people that are doing this have an agenda. They pay a license fee and they want support. Being told that artificial barriers have been erected to separate them from what they've paid for will not go down well. And if the beeb wants to continue support for the iPhone then they'll need to keep punching holes in the DRM that will be found and exploited.

      Lastly, I've already bitched a couple of times about Zonk's incompetence but seriously: The Apple Section? This was supposed to be under YRO as it is a story about DRM being circumvented.
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    5. Re:How long? by WombatDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That would be a reasonable position if their content wasn't already being 'redistributed' all over the place. Back in reality, they're pissing off Linux users in exchange for a piracy reduction of zero per cent.

      On the plus side, they can at least claim to be preventing 'redistribution' and people who don't understand the technology will believe them.

    6. Re:How long? by Angostura · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not really - it is known as "Aunty' or 'The Beeb'.

    7. Re:How long? by datajack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The BBC are in a difficult position with this, do they go to the cost/length of supporting that 0.8% of the market?


      Sorry, you have lost me. Which platform has 0.8% of the market .. Linux or iPhone?

      If you are seriously suggesting that the iPhone has a larger user-base than Linux, can you tell me what it is you are smoking please?
    8. Re:How long? by grahamm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It doesn't weaken their position. The BBC have always been very up front in saying that they are having difficulty allowing Linux users to download tv shows in the same way that they allow Windows users because only on Windows are they able to ensure that the video is not redistributed. And what they, and most other broadcasters forget, is that they have already broadcast the show in DRM free digital format. So anyone with a PVR which can transfer files to a computer, as the better ones can, is able to (illegally) redistribute it. So putting DRM on the 'download later' files is like bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted.
    9. Re:How long? by Ilgaz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And how long will this stay? Interesting is, it is open to UK IPs only so even while you are "cheating" "hacking" user agent and taking time to do it, you are trying to get the content you already paid for.

      I still think whole iPlayer thing should be reason for a huge government investigation. If it was 2002-2003, it would be OK to put a windows media only thing as a service but if they did after OS X/iPhone/iPod video/mp4 compatible zillions of devices with _very tough_ DRM (if needed) built in, some "exclusive agreement" under the table is going on.

      We all keep forgetting about J2ME too. Youtube already has a working J2ME player which runs all fine on my Nokia E65. It plays better than Desktop/Flash sometimes. http://www.youtube.com/yt_mobile_app . BTW I invite those iPhone guys to see it to figure what is possible with that "ugly" Java Apple hiding from them.
    10. Re:How long? by phyphor · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's already been "closed", apparently - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7293988.stm
      Obviously the BBC's take on the issue is slightly biased, but that's unsurprising.

  2. iLawsuit by goatpunch · · Score: 4, Funny

    in other news, Apple rewards the BBC by suing over their use of the 'i' prefix, on which iApple has an iMonopoly

    1. Re:iLawsuit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't you mean iMagination 2.0?

    2. Re:iLawsuit by LeadSongDog · · Score: 2, Funny

      in other news, Apple rewards the BBC by suing over their use of the 'i' prefix, on which iApple has an iMonopoly Did the license that from Parker iBrothers?
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    3. Re:iLawsuit by Delkster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A little computer that isn't much of a computer due to the lock-down. Just a fancy-looking phone, perhaps with a couple more applications than in other non-smartphones.

    4. Re:iLawsuit by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're too cynical. For many people, a computer is something to browse the web, check your email, take a few notes, watch YouTube, some movie trailers, listen to music, check the weather, and some stock prices. For those people, the iPhone is a perfect "little computer". If you think of a computer as something to write term papers on, analyze large datasets, develop software, or control robots, the iPhone is a horrible computer.

      So for the people who love the iPhone, it's a perfect "little computer" with phone functionality. For people who don't see that, well, it means they want more out of the iPhone, first, I think.

  3. Nokia E65 by tsa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a Nolia E65. Can I have an iPlayer for my phone? What makes the iPhone more special than my E65 which can do more out of the box, is smaller and cheaper and isn't crippled?

    Can we please stop hearing about the iPhone?

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    1. Re:Nokia E65 by goatpunch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple products are intrinsicly 'cool' and there's nothing you can do to change that, in the same way that smoking will always be cool, no matter how many more sensible things you could be doing with your time and money.

    2. Re:Nokia E65 by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you are happy with the E65, then you probably aren't in the market for an iPhone. Tiny screen, standard phone keypad - it's more of a standard phone than the iPhone. For web browsing, watching movies/music, or typing emails, it's not as useful. On the other hand, it's probably a better telephone.

      For the record, I'm more in the E65 demographic. The iPhone doesn't really get my juices flowing - but I can see the appeal.

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    3. Re:Nokia E65 by Digi-John · · Score: 4, Funny

      I suggest storing the iPhone in your pants pocket... the less reproduction among Apple users, the better ;)

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    4. Re:Nokia E65 by rrkap · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I didn't think I was in the iPhone's demographic until my wife got one. The good web browsing experience (which requires the big screen) as well as the nicely integrated e-mail and visual voice mail are on the verge of getting me to convert from my venerable razor in exactly the way her previous smartphone (a HTC Hermes for what it's worth) wasn't.

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  4. Fortunately... by nevali · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...as there are only about 400 Linux users in the UK, this hole won't get abused much.

    1. Re:Fortunately... by Firehed · · Score: 4, Informative

      You know that Windows users can fake a user agent string and download the DRM-less movies too, right?

      I hope that the UK DMCA doesn't apply to me...

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    2. Re:Fortunately... by nevali · · Score: 4, Funny

      For Christ's sake man, don't tell them that!

      There must be at least 1,000 Windows users out there!

    3. Re:Fortunately... by catmistake · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Perhaps they'll re-host the content so the rest of the world can watch, too. (Why, exactly, is this all UK only?!!)

    4. Re:Fortunately... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's actually easier to 'exploit' on the Mac. Just go to Safari's debug menu (Developer if you are using the 3.1 betas), set the user agent to 'Mobile Safari 1.0' and you get the iPhone version of the site. Then you can just right click on the videos and select save. Another nice benefit is that the H.264 version uses about 25% of the CPU of the flash version so you won't have fan noise in the background when you're watching videos on a laptop.

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    5. Re:Fortunately... by Shisha · · Score: 4, Informative

      Because for each tv owning household in the UK pays the BBC over 100 pounds a year.

    6. Re:Fortunately... by teh+kurisu · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can have a computer screen without a television licence. From the TV Licensing website (emphasis mine):

      You need a TV Licence to use any television receiving equipment such as a TV set, digital box, DVD or video recorder, PC, laptop or mobile phone to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV.

      Currently, you only need a TV licence for a PC if it has a TV tuner in it, which enables you to receive a live broadcast.

    7. Re:Fortunately... by isorox · · Score: 2, Informative

      Currently, you only need a TV licence for a PC if it has a TV tuner in it, which enables you to receive a live broadcast.

      No, you need a TV license if you own a device which you use to receive live broadcasts on. A PC with a capture card (for say CCTV) is fine if you don't hook it up to the aerial. Likewise a TV with a DVD player out the back.

      It only becomes an offence when you use that PC or TV to receive live television. That includes streaming live TV from the BBC or Sky News over the internet. It doesn't include downloading an episode of Torchwood from iplayer.
  5. Re:Why did the iPhone 'force' the BBCs hand? by abqaussie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You'd have to guess that Apple cut a deal with the BBC to corner the market right? If the BBC are actually converting to MP4 there's some pretty explicit support for Quicktime and Apple visible there, so I would imagine some cash or other considerations changed hands. That the implementation opened a door for all Linux users is pretty funny though, I can't expect that will last.

  6. Re:hooray.... by Fast+Thick+Pants · · Score: 2, Informative

    The BBC is much more than a (relatively reputable IMO) news organization -- they've produced some of the best fiction and non-fiction to ever hit the boob tube.

  7. Flash sucks. by lancejjj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I understand why Apple doesn't support Flash on the iPhone: Because Flash sucks. And I say that even knowing that you love it.

    Yeah, it is a great software platform for your Webkinz and your ability to deliver those super-fancy web advertisements that everyone likes. It's also a cool platform for those awesome games, like the one where if you shoot a duck you'll be a winner of a fabulous prize. And the one where you have to choose the right urinal.

    For me, believe it or not, I'm not into lousy web games. I don't like three (or more) animated ads on a web page. And I don't like my CPU chugging at 100% just because a crap web site wants to deliver a singing, dancing Flash-based ad to me.

    So Apple: Good for you. I agree - Flash is merely a battery killer; a misused web technology that is much more often used for junk than for quality content. On a small-screen platform it would be unbearable. Adobe needs to address these issues before Flash gets ported to the iPhone.

    I turned off Flash long ago - I'm surprised more people haven't done so.

    1. Re:Flash sucks. by blhack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Flash is great because its standard.

      Nearly every graphics based browser out there can (and does) support flash. This is great because of the huge online video craze going on right now. Do you remember the days of some websites using quicktime, others using real player, some using windows media, some just streaming MPGs etc? Have you ever tried getting mplayer to actually PLAY all of those things in your browser?

      Streaming video (and audio) using flash is great because it just works.

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    2. Re:Flash sucks. by Maxwell · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I removed flash from my PC and laptop *after* getting an iPhone. I didn't realzie how annoying flash is until I got a taste of life without it...

    3. Re:Flash sucks. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Flash is not a standard, it just has a lot of implementations. H.264, in contrast is a real, documented, standard. Having tried the H.264 and flash versions on the same machine, it's quite obvious why Apple wanted to use it. The H.264 version takes about a quarter as much CPU power to decode. On the iPhone, which has a hardware decoder chip for the format (as do quite a few mobile devices), the difference will be more pronounced.

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    4. Re:Flash sucks. by ksheff · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but many sites often require you to have the latest & greatest version of flash to watch their little movies when previous versions would otherwise work just fine. This can pose a problem for some users when Adobe doesn't bring out new versions of flash for all platforms at the same time. Another thing I don't like about flash is that when you have multiple web pages open in multiple tabs, the stupid flash ads on each page are still running even though they aren't being viewed. I'm not sure if there is a Firefox extension or plugin to disable this feature or not. All the flash animations running at the same time really suck up a lot of cpu processing. At times, this can make the browser and everything else unusable.

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    5. Re:Flash sucks. by marsu_k · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it supports Flash 9, just as regular desktop Linux (32-bit, that is). That doesn't mean that some flash sites wouldn't be too heavy for it, but that's hardly surprising - some flash sites seem to completely hog the processor on my desktop computer as well.

  8. How to do this by Cal+Paterson · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Get Iceweasel/Firefox and the extensions User Agent Switcher and Firebug
    2. Use UAS to switch your browser's http user agent string to "Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543a Safari/419.3" (you'll have to add this as a new option through the menus)
    3. Go to the BBC video web page; here's an example
    4. Open the firebug tab; Tools > Firebug > Open Firebug
    5. Use the search bar to search the HTML tab for video/mp4
    6. You should find a tag like "object width="512" height="288" type="video/mp4" Expand it.
    7. Copy the http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/3/auth/iplayer_streaming_http_mp4/* URL to the clipboard
    8. Use wget to fetch it, using the command "wget --user-agent="Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543a Safari/419.3 http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/3/auth/iplayer_streaming_http_mp4/*"
    9. ???
    10. Profit.
    1. Re:How to do this by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative
      How to do this on OS X / Safari:
      1. Go to Debug menu and set the user agent to 'Mobile Safari 1.0.'
      2. Go to the BBC site and select a video.
      3. Right click and say 'Save as source...'
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  9. Article tagged "flamebait" by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Seriously, was there no other source for this news than one which has the headline:

    Steve Jobs rescues freetards from BBC iPlayer wilderness (for now)
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  10. Re:Why did the iPhone 'force' the BBCs hand? by dangitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's absolutely retarded. Apple paid off the BBC because they are using MP4? That's not an Apple format, it's a freaking standard! It's supported everywhere, not just in Quicktime.

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  11. Konqueror by Teppic_52 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's actually easier to do in konq than firefox, put the user agent string in ~/.kde/share/config/kio_httprc against bbc.co.uk and it asks you what to do with the file when you click play.
    I'm off to download a weeks worth of In The Night Garden....

  12. Unacceptable. by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a UK TV license payer I find it entirely unacceptable that the BBC is using our money to further Apple's profits over other companies by releasing only for their mobile handset. We do not pay the BBC to further Apple and Microsoft's profits, whilst I applaud their attempts at getting the content accessible for Linux users it's a half-assed measure at best.

    Whilst the iPhone is popular in the US, it's not that popular here in the UK and as such there is not even the excuse that it's got a large majority of the market segment.

    The BBC seems too easily influenced by large corporations and frankly, something needs to be done about it because they are accountable to us - the British citizens that pay the license equally and as such we should be treated equally in how we can access our content. If this is not to be the case, we should have the choice of using our TVs but not watching the BBC and hence opt out of the TV license.

    1. Re:Unacceptable. by satellite17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can understand your point of view, but I have to say that as a licence payer who also owns an iPod touch I'm pretty happy about this. I suspect that this is an experiment in how to deliver high quality video to mobile devices and it won't be long before the service is opened up to other MPEG4 enabled devices.

      Your point about the licence fee and different ways of accessing content is correct, we should be treated equally, regardless of OS / Browser / Device. Having said that I'm happy to cut the BBC a little slack in this. It's only been in the last couple of years that non techies have been able to access this kind of media on anything other than a TV and at least the BBC have recognised that internet distribution is the future (unlike the majority of the media industry who still seem to have their heads buried in the sand).

      iPlayer is far from perfect but it's a step in the right direction and as my father is fond of saying "Rome wasn't built in a day". If we get to 2009 the only supported platforms are owned by MS and Apple then I'll give you a shout and we can storm Television Centre and start the revolution ourselves.

  13. Re:hooray.... by value_added · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the BBC hasn't been a reputable news source to any honest observer for years now ... Of course, the general attitudes and biases of the News org tends to generally filter out to the rest of the organization as well.

    A biased comment from a person complaining of a perceived bias in another. LOL.

    I do wish all you bias whiners would get a grip and move on to something more productive. It's gotten old and uninteresting, and less funny than a Slashdot meme. Moreover, it suggests that you put whatever critical thinking skill you have in the services of evangelising a knee-jerk political rant, rather than taking the information provided to you in a newspaper, a radio or television broadcast and putting it real use.

    As far as news organisations go, I'd put the BBC near the top of the list (where most others in the developed and undeveloped world would put it). For me, it stands right beside papers like The New York Times. Hell, I'd even include NPR and The Wall Street Journal on the same list without batting an eye. I also read the editorials and letters, especially from people whose opinions differ from mine. I'd like to think that it's the issues themselves that are most important, and understanding different perspectives on them is an integral part of making sense of them.

    Bias? Maybe. Maybe not. All humans have them, and we're all human. In the end, it's up to the individual to decide what the appropriate action (or in your case, reaction) should be. Here's a tip: there has never been a "story" told, or could be told, in its entirety. Cut some slack to someone trying to present a part of it, especially someone of the caliber of the BBC.

  14. Re:hooray.... by wplinge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If anyone wants a rough idea of the reliability of that site, they only need to compare its page on the BBC to the one on Fox: http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=4&x_outlet=15. Can't say I was surprised

  15. You're wrong, I have the real reason by Nicolas+MONNET · · Score: 4, Insightful
    1. BBC top executive got himself an iPhone for Christmas/hannukah/birthday/other.
    2. Wanted to show off BBC programs on it to his mistress/golf buddy/dominatrix/beer buddy.
    3. Proceeded to yell at subordinate in charge of streaming when not possible
    4. Big ass hole drilled in no time in the DMR wall.
  16. There is a problem with that. by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anybody using other phones in the UK have paid (in a compulsory fashion mind you) the BBC license fee.

    The BBC can't you say "we will support the cool phone, the rest be damned", specially when this phone is not even the market leader!

    Somebody in the BBC needs to be called to task. The role of the BBC should be to ensure *all* license payers can access their services, this is best achieved by using open standards.

    The BBC playing to the fiddle of MS, Apple or any other company in detriment of the people that actually pays their wages is completely unacceptable.

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  17. Re:Real Irony by rubberglove · · Score: 2, Insightful

    um, I know you're trolling, but of course the number of iPhone users will vastly exceed the number of Linux users in their web statistics...
    That's the point of the article!

    I know it's short on details, but as I understand it, Linux (or other) users will be able to pull DRM-free content by telling their browser to identify itself as an iPhone.
    So the real irony might be that if enough people want the content free of DRM, their web logs may eventually show a huge number of 'iPhone users'.

  18. BBC releases fix for iPlayer "hack" by mrthoughtful · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7293988.stm
    So, according to bbc news, they have stopped it working.
    It works fine still on the iPod..

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