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America's Robot Army

Popular Mechanics explores the increasing level of reliance the US military has when it comes to robotic assistance. In the last few years, robot drones have reached an all-new level of sophistication, with several models already deployed in the field. Now, the next generation of robot helpers is nearing the end of its test phase. PM offers up a preview of what we could expect to see in the field within the next five years. "The MULE (Multifunction Utility/Logistics and Equipment) is roughly the size of a Humvee, but it has a trick worthy of monster truck rallies. Each of its six wheels is mounted on an articulated leg, allowing the robot to clamber up obstacles that other cars would simply bump against ... Barely a year old, the prototype is a product of the Army's Unmanned Ground Vehicle program, which began in 2001. It has yet to fire a single bullet or missile, or even be fitted with a weapon. Here at the test track it's loaded down with rucksacks and boxes, two squads' worth of equipment."

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  1. More tanks by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The MULE (Multifunction Utility/Logistics and Equipment) is roughly the size of a Humvee, but it has a trick worthy of monster truck rallies. Each of its six wheels is mounted on an articulated leg, allowing the robot to clamber up obstacles that other cars would simply bump against.

    Sounds like a tank. And haven't retired generals criticized the DoD in the last couple of decades for developing the tank technology we wished that we had in World War II instead of concentrating on anti-guerilla strategy?

    1. Re:More tanks by peragrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      anti-guerilla strategy? that's easy don't be an ass, and don't invade other countries on false intel, with the misguided hope that they will think you are saviors just because you deposed their idiot leader.

      I highly doubt if that will happen though.

      To truly fight guerilla you must fight them like you fight pirates. You take away the economic/political incentive for it to begin with.

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    2. Re:More tanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Why would you want to fight pirates? They are holy creatures. It is the ninjas that you want to kill. Of course, that is unless you don't like having polar icecaps.

    3. Re:More tanks by zeromorph · · Score: 1

      Sounds really like a tank with no one to get injured in it.

      It's pretty much a "more of it"-approach. They want to solve all the problems with more technology. The rational behind it is the wish to reduce one's own side's casualties as far as possible. Although it is a legitimate and very sane goal, the strategy employed, air strikes and cruise missiles, causes a lot of civilian casualties.
      An thus, on the long run, this approach prepares the ground for a guerrilla force that has a footing in the country while the almighty powerful army with all their technology hovers around victorious but can not get a grip. As long a camp does only have technical skill and no political/social/cultural skills it will tilt at windmills.

      As with all problems, technology is the means not the way (or should I say method).

      The means can be fun, as probably every Linux geek knows, but as long as you do not get the problem right you won't pick the right means to solve it. As far as I am concerned, these robots solve none of the urgent problems that I can see.

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    4. Re:More tanks by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Many long time Slashdot readers remember the days when militant rednecks didn't come here, and they were able to comment on what an intelligent foreign policy would look like without having to put up with the "let's go shoot us some bad guys!" clowns. Sadly, those days are gone, as you have just demonstrated.

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    5. Re:More tanks by Octorian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Sounds really like a tank with no one to get injured in it.
      You really have no clue what a tank is? Or the difference between a tank and a truck? This is *not* a tank. It is a utility vehicle! The variant currently being shown is design to haul crap around so soldiers don't need to. Of course it does have armed variants that are designed to shoot weapons, keeping soldiers from harm. But, still, it is not heavy armor.

      And w.r.t. air strikes, do you realize what the alternative is to our current approach of guided weapons? Yes, carpet bombing. Creates a lot more civilian casualties. Instead of killing civilians who the bad guys are hiding next to, they'll also kill the civilians in the buildings down the street.

    6. Re:More tanks by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a tank. And haven't retired generals criticized the DoD in the last couple of decades for developing the tank technology we wished that we had in World War II instead of concentrating on anti-guerilla strategy?

      To be fair Iran has tanks... Whoops did I say Iran... I meant "possible future liberation targets" have tanks.

      But in all seriousness, if the thing has anti-tank missiles on it, its not meant for anti-guerrilla warfare. There are a handful of countries that its intended for. Mostly the ones that start with an R or an C and both end with an A. If you haven't noticed the big ruckus about missile system in Europe and the re-escalation of military flights of the Tupolev bomber into international waters which means the cold war really isn't over as we thought.

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    7. Re:More tanks by zeromorph · · Score: 2

      Oh, I can. I just kept the label my parent-poster gave it. AFV (or reconnaissance AFV) would probably the best manned correspondence, but I'm not going to argue about it.You are right, but please see that it was not my point.

      > And w.r.t. air strikes, do you realize what the alternative is to our current approach of guided weapons? Yes, carpet bombing.

      So, cruise missiles and carpet bombing are the only alternatives you can see? I think, that's what I meant with not getting the problem right. In some cases, yes, that's probably the alternative, but in other situations it's not.

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    8. Re:More tanks by rtb61 · · Score: 1
      Sounds more like mobile pork, bleed the taxpayer dry with endless upgrades and suicide runs. There just ain't no corporate profits in training modern professional soldiers. Robots, perfect, less soldiers and more multi-million dollar bits of equipment with limited warranties.

      Of course when it comes to providing assistance in the event of natural disasters, the lack of trained personal will be missed, but it can always be contracted out, the loss of life of due to profits ahead of rapid response, well, that's just modern business.

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    9. Re:More tanks by teneighty · · Score: 3, Funny

      To truly fight guerilla you must fight them like you fight pirates.

      ... with Ninjas?

    10. Re:More tanks by mi · · Score: 0, Troll

      anti-guerilla strategy? that's easy don't be an ass, and don't invade other countries on false intel, with the misguided hope that they will think you are saviors just because you deposed their idiot leader.

      Without arguing on whether the above "donts" apply to our most recent Iraq invasion, is there — in your opinion — ever a situation, when wrongs committed by a country's government justify invasion aiming at correcting those wrongs?

      To truly fight guerrilla you must fight them like you fight pirates. You take away the economic/political incentive for it to begin with.

      That's how you discourage them. To fight them you chase them, sink their ships, and hang the captured ones along the shores. Add drawing-and-quartering to taste... Sometimes I really wish we could apply these methods to the guerrilla assholes, but I don't think we can any more... The risk of mistakingly killing an innocent person is just too high for a modern conscience.

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    11. Re:More tanks by SRA8 · · Score: 1

      Sure, lets not think outside the box. But here is a better alternative to both T2-like tanks and carpet bombing -- not creating militants in the first place. I'd wager 95% of the militants in Iraq for example were *created* when the US went in, destroyed the infrastructure, and all starved the population via food and medicine sanctions (http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2000/mar/04/weekend7.weekend9)

    12. Re:More tanks by timeOday · · Score: 1

      And haven't retired generals criticized the DoD in the last couple of decades for developing the tank technology we wished that we had in World War II instead of concentrating on anti-guerilla strategy?
      And in the next conflict, they could just as easily be criticized for assuming all future conflicts would be insurgencies.
    13. Re:More tanks by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Bloody hell, that's the third time someone's made a nasty crack about me being Muslim in as many days. And according to Fox News, I'm the one supposedly from an intolerant belligerent religion. Quite telling, really.

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    14. Re:More tanks by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      At risk of sounding like this is some kind of low-ID pissing contest, I don't ever remember Slashdot being apolitical, and I was a reader for years before I became a subscriber. Slashdot, to me, was (and to a certain extent still is) a great place for very wide ranging discussions with a group heavily biased toward the favourable side of the IQ bell curve. Even after the dilution of the last few years, Slashdot is still a place I can count on reading interesting and insightful opinions from a broad cross-section of the global body politic.

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    15. Re:More tanks by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      Sounds more like a farm implement to me.

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    16. Re:More tanks by peragrin · · Score: 1

      you replied to an AC, intelligent people don't reply to the AC's as 99% of them aren't worth even talking to.

      As for your other comments, if you read my post I don't agree with the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan wasn't smart but might be justifiable.

      Also invading germany even though they didn't have anything to do with the bombing of Pearl harbor was a decent decision even though it opened us up to a war on two fronts. pearl Harbor was totally done by japan and Japan alone.

      So yes there are times. but those times must be carefully weighed and judged by more than one man. Unlike say Bush.

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    17. Re:More tanks by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      So would you become a militant in this scenario?

      I will offer that it really takes an external leadership to recruit and organize militants during times of artificial hardship, typically one with their own agenda...

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    18. Re:More tanks by budgenator · · Score: 2

      the strategy employed, air strikes and cruise missiles, causes a lot of civilian casualties.
      It does? are you sure I think you are confusing a BGM-109 Tomahawk or a AGM-84H/K Harpoon with a AGM-114 Hellfire. The Hellfire is a semi-active homing anti-tank weapon not a cruise missile that is primarily air-launched from army helicopters or occasionaly fron a MQ-1 Predator.

      If you want to know how they are really used read Michael Yon's Guitar Heroes posting.

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    19. Re:More tanks by Threni · · Score: 1

      > you replied to an AC, intelligent people don't reply to the AC's as 99% of them aren't worth even talking to.

      Don't have a go at ACs, or Slashdots excellent idea of allowing people to hide behind their posts. Just think about how hard it would be for people to publish information secretly if they had to log in and do it.

      Hold on...

      Sorry, I've just been told that anyone can create as many accounts as they like on Slashdot, and there's no onus on them to use their real names.

      Why does Slashdot allow AC posting again?

    20. Re:More tanks by khallow · · Score: 1

      "The MULE (Multifunction Utility/Logistics and Equipment) is roughly the size of a Humvee, but it has a trick worthy of monster truck rallies. Each of its six wheels is mounted on an articulated leg, allowing the robot to clamber up obstacles that other cars would simply bump against. Sounds like a tank. And haven't retired generals criticized the DoD in the last couple of decades for developing the tank technology we wished that we had in World War II instead of concentrating on anti-guerilla strategy? Several things to note here. First, the MULE is much more mobile than a tank in an urban environment (the bit about the "articulated legs"). It's much smaller than a tank. For example, it probably weighs about a tenth (when fully loaded) of a main battle tank (which weighs around 40-50 tons), maybe less. It uses wheels rather than treads. And it's not manned. And one of the uses is to carry cargo for a couple of infantry squads. Doesn't sound like a tank to me.
    21. Re:More tanks by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Doesn't sound like a tank as long as it has wheels.

    22. Re:More tanks by Herschel+Cohen · · Score: 1

      Also invading germany even though they didn't have anything to do with the bombing of Pearl harbor was a decent decision even though it opened us up to a war on two fronts ... Invading Germany was not doing a good deed. Better read a bit more, before commenting. Germany declared war on the U.S. after the Japanese attack. Moreover, U.S. shipping was being sunk of the East coast by Germany U. boats, hence, attacking Germany was not an option as you perceive it to be. Lest you forget, Germany was a major military power that intended to attack when they were ready. Hitler committed two major blunders, they attacked the USSR late in the year and they declared war prematurely against the U.S. War was not an option.
    23. Re:More tanks by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Insurgents/militants in Iraqi or AQI, They'd be privately paid mercenaries available to the highest bidder

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    24. Re:More tanks by turgid · · Score: 1

      It helps to treat the civilians with respect once you have liberated them, for example, treating them as human beings, not pointing guns at them and learning some of their language so that you can communicate with them effectively, thus not requiring the gun in all situations.

    25. Re:More tanks by budgenator · · Score: 1

      actually the hellfire AT missile is quite handy at providing remotely painted surgical strikes on vehicles and small groups doing nasty things like plant IED along the road at night.

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    26. Re:More tanks by mikael · · Score: 1

      To truly fight guerilla you must fight them like you fight pirates.

      Just carpet-bomb them with RIAA cease-and-desist lawyer letters until they are bankrupt from lawyers fees, and then confiscate their CD collections if they fail to comply.

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    27. Re:More tanks by freedom_india · · Score: 1

      You forgot to add: Also as a parting present to them (just don't take it personally kinda thing) give them some free CDs produced by Sony and having some rootkits in them.
      Next time they try to pirate music, we can remotely detonate their PC (kaa boom !!!)

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    28. Re:More tanks by KevinIsOwn · · Score: 1

      I remember a time when there weren't too many political discussions. And it's only natural that it was that way since technological issues were only starting to move into public policy. The RIAA wasn't suing people, there was no net neutrality bill. On top of that, the US didn't make sweeping laws to take away checks and balances and people's rights, or invade any countries unilaterally. Like it or not, the discussion here has always been a reflection of the discussion of the US as a whole, just nerdier.

    29. Re:More tanks by WATist · · Score: 1

      This would have more impact on me if militants were not attacking infrastructure in Iraq right now.

    30. Re:More tanks by sco08y · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a tank.

      A Main Battle Tank is characterized by overwhelming offensive power and survivability, which generally translates into big gun, big optics, heavy armor and powerful engine. I am in an armor MOS, incidentally, though I'm not a tanker.

      The MULE looks like it complements counter-insurgency measures. A necessity of counter-insurgency is patrolling, and having a robot help haul gear in places where vehicles can't go allows for more extensive patrols.

    31. Re:More tanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To fight them you chase them, sink their ships, and hang the captured ones along the shores. Add drawing-and-quartering to taste...

      Yea, the British should have done that to George Washington all those years ago. He was a traitorous guerilla warfare fighting asshole right?
    32. Re:More tanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bloody hell, that's the third time someone's made a nasty crack about me being Muslim in as many days.
      I just checked your posting history. There are no other references there about you being a muslim in the last three days. Perhaps you are refering to cracks made outside slashdot.

      Looking back a few days futher though, I did find another two posts:
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=481442&cid=22700260 of which this one merely qualifies that you are a muslim, in response to your assertion that you are not a christian, in the context of a discussion about sexuality. It hardly qualifies as a "nasty crack" since muslim and christian attitudes towards sex are percieved as being quite similar.

      The other http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=481442&cid=22715584 appears to accurately quote you from a previous post, but probably does qualify as a "nasty crack". However, reading the discussion linked to and your webpage reveals: you approve of citizenship being granted on the basis of belief in islam and that you live in a non-islamic country. Therefore, the characterization of you as being part of a 5th column is not unreasonable, though possibly incorrect.
    33. Re:More tanks by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Many long time Slashdot readers remember the days when...they were able to comment on what an intelligent foreign policy would look like... Sadly, those days are gone, as you have just demonstrated. Please. Those days were never here. We just didn't talk about foreign policy on a tech/nerd website. Whiny hippy peaceniks? Gun toting yahoos? Pretty much all have always been represented here, we just didn't have lamers turning every cool gadget story into a discussion of politics.
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    34. Re:More tanks by Atario · · Score: 1

      Some of us are old enough to remember the days when a M.U.L.E. that could be described as a flexible-function robot was something you would outfit for food, energy, smithore, or crystite production.

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    35. Re:More tanks by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

      You're far too sensible. There is no future for people who think like you. Thre is no money on peace. The American economy is built on war. Well....the need for war materials.

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    36. Re:More tanks by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      The second quotes me, claiming I said the exact opposite of what I did.

      you approve of citizenship being granted on the basis of belief in islam

      Israel gives citizenship based upon belief in Judaism. Furthermore, I don't see how granting citizenship based upon the random chance of being born in a certain place is a better system. It's far less likely to result in a body of citizens with a shared common vision and sense of togetherness. In any case, my point was that 200 years ago (before the nation-state system was even in place) that's how "citizenship" was worked out, as the idea of nations did not exist the way it does today. I was making a point about the extra tax on non-Muslims, which I might add amounted to the exact same amount the Muslims were required to pay in their Zakat. I was responding to the rather uninformed view that non-Muslims lived under harsh conditions back when the Arab world was run in an Islamic way rather than the tinpot whackos that are in charge today.

      Anyway, why am I digging up a point of clarification with an AC a year after that discussion ended?

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    37. Re:More tanks by bandmassa · · Score: 1

      That's the nature of bureaucratic aggressor armies, they buy yesterday's weapons for tomorrow's battles. Freedom fighters attack the heart of their threat inventively. There should be no standing armies in any country, just a non-conscriptive national service system.

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    38. Re:More tanks by mi · · Score: 1

      Yea, the British should have done that to George Washington all those years ago.

      They tried. Really hard...

      He was a traitorous guerrilla warfare fighting asshole, right?

      First, he was not a guerrilla — he headed a national militia/army of the United States. He and his soldiers fought in uniform and had allegiance to a state.

      Second, the list of grievances, that caused him and others to revolt, is well documented. Are you aware of the legitimated grievances of the guerrillas we are facing (al-Qaeda, Taleban)?

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  2. There is only one explanation for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US military wants mechs.

  3. Personally, by iknownuttin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I think we should spend the resources on space exploration and educating the young folks for those technical jobs instead of sending those kids over to die or get maimed for reasons that I don't find very compelling - (except for Afghanistan).

    And in the meantime, to fight our wars, I think we should send the folks who would benefit from the wars and the arm chair generals who are really quick to send other people's kids over to fight while justifying their haste with the attitude of "well they volunteered and they knew what they were getting into."

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    1. Re:Personally, by MBC1977 · · Score: 1

      You know normally I don't comment on military matters (even though I am a Marine), but for you I'll make an exception...

      Here is a reason I (and most people) always find interesting... people who want to kill you because they don't like you. People who want to kill you because your way of life is simply intolerable to them (even though you are over half a planet away). I'm not saying the war is noble or anything like that, because its not. However, I would rather take the fight to the enemy, rather than him take the fight to me and my family over here. (Simple, compelling reasons enough)?

      If we are gonna spend the resources on anything lets spend it on either negotiation or negation of the threat, so we can please move on to my obtaining a hydrogen powered car (or flying car).

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    2. Re:Personally, by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      If they don't like what we are doing, in country x all they have to do is crank the price of Oil higher. Eventually we won't be able to afford the war any more

      Um you are away that's real reason we invaded Iraq right? To remake an oil rich country that is in our pocket. Of course it's not going so well, but that's not surprising given the executive's track record. I don't think the idea of having close ties to an oil rich country is a bad idea, but I think we when about it completely backwards. We were in the right when we bailed Kuwait out in Desert Storm, we dropped the ball when we didn't grow that into a lasting friendship between the US and Kuwait. A rich and powerful voice in the Middle East that had positive things to say about the US could have avoided this entire mess and had our politicians less trigger happy because of our energy vulnerabilities. But when the majority of the people in charge are in the businesses of power and guns, then their solution to every problem is going to be power and guns.

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    3. Re:Personally, by LaughingCoder · · Score: 1

      We were in the right when we bailed Kuwait out in Desert Storm, we dropped the ball when we didn't grow that into a lasting friendship between the US and Kuwait.
      Hmmm, if I recall correctly, Desert Storm occured in 1991, so the time to "grow that into a lasting friendship" would have been from 1992 onward? Whose fault would that be, exactly?

      A rich and powerful voice in the Middle East that had positive things to say about the US could have avoided this entire mess
      By that "entire mess" I assume you mean the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, with the former being precipitated by 9-11? So following your statements to their logical conclusion, 9-11 was Clinton's fault? You should know that you can't say things like that around here.
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    4. Re:Personally, by rick_campbell · · Score: 1

      Your simple compelling reasons have to be balanced with some sense of likelihood. There's somebody mumbling on a street corner in the Bronx who wants to kill you because he knows that you secretly paint your belly button green. He's not a real threat. You need not deploy troops.

      Another bit of balance to consider is effectiveness. Let's say you start with 100 people who want to kill you because your are heathen Christian who watches Hollywood films with American whores who show their facial skin even when non-related males are nearby. Now you choose Response X. After 5 years, you now have many thousands of people who want to kill you. Some because of the aforementioned reasons. Others because your spent 5 years killing their daughters, mothers, and other ``enemy combatants.''

      How simple and compelling are your reasons after all? They can only be seen as compelling when one chooses to ignore most of the relevant bits.

    5. Re:Personally, by Original+Replica · · Score: 1

      9-11 was Clinton's fault? You should know that you can't say things like that around here. 9/11 was Osama Bin Laden's fault, allowing the Middle East to continue to be a breeding ground for anti-American sentiment was both elder Bush and Clinton's fault. I say that with the acknowledgment that hindsight is 20/20.

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    6. Re:Personally, by LaughingCoder · · Score: 1

      9/11 was Osama Bin Laden's fault
      How Wright you are.
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    7. Re:Personally, by mbius · · Score: 1

      It seems to me that your reason -- a euphemism for the old "they hate our freedom" saw -- is either a new phenomenon in social behavior, or a red herring. Wars have always been fought for land and resources...until now? C'mon. The radically conservative church-state that outlaws any other interpretation of its religion is our strongest economic and political Arab ally. Intolerance (nor human rights) must not be key.

      As to "bringing the fight to them," the entire premise of terrorism is it doesn't work that way. Maybe you think it hasn't occurred to Hamza and Ahmed to blow us up, here, instead of blowing each other up in Tikrit? Al Qaeda, who will stop at nothing to destroy our way of life, gets distracted playing cat-and-mouse with IEDs?

      I'm not prepared to admit our national security apparatus was compromised utterly by a group too stupid to be dangerous. Indeed Madrid 3/11/04 and London 7/7/05 demonstrate the flaw in "fight 'em there" logic. Israel's seen disproof of the "lightning rod" theory of counter-terrorism weekly for three decades. And I question, sir, the morality (even practicality, cf. NIE) of using Iraq (and Iraqis) as bait.

      You say your viewpoint's simple. I'd use the word "naive," because it's a talking point with CYA political utility since Saddam's WMD never turned up. It's a slogan, a sales pitch. We're between a rock and a hard place spending money that may have been used more wisely to keep our economic and technological edge. I want to win too, but a lot of jerks are responsible for this fuckup and I'm not letting them off the hook.

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    8. Re:Personally, by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 1

      Securing access to oil, or any essential commodity, is a time honored tradition and the main reason we have countries instead of tribes.

    9. Re:Personally, by MBC1977 · · Score: 1

      Like I said, I don't believe there is (or was) a noble reason for the war (my personal opinion), however, we are in a fight now and for better or worse, there will only be one victor. Again I ask the question: would you rather fight terrorists in Times Square or in their home country? Yes, Iraq is unfortinate situation, yes I've seen the tragedy upclose and personal, and yes I've seen both positive and negative effects of the "war". There really are individuals who hate the U.S. (both the people and the government) because of our apparent "secular and Christian" ways and want to see us all dead or converted to their religion. And if there was a better way to handle / navigate this fiasco (i.e. end the war), I'd be all for it. Short term however... no. If we pull out now, the country as fragile as it is would collapse.

      If you want a good analogy watch the last two seasons of Stargate. (I miss the show, but it drew a frightening similarity to the current war on terror, in some aspects).

      Bottom line however, is if a robot can save lives, I'm all for it. I'd rather a fucked up piece of metal than to ever smell or see the sight of twisted and burning flesh and bone ever again.

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  4. Robots? by Porchroof · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hope none of these so-called robots are simply radio-controlled devices. Anything under human control does not rate being called a robot. (When have you ever heard of a radio-controlled model airplane being called a robot?)

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    1. Re:Robots? by VirusEqualsVeryYes · · Score: 3, Informative

      You might try telling that to NASA.

    2. Re:Robots? by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

      I don't know many details about these robots, even though I walk by one of the units described in the article every couple of days. Some of these machines are robots, and are able to operate autonomously with some simple instructions -- get from here to there and avoid obstacles, maybe a couple of other simple functions. Sometimes you can watch what the thing is doing, or update its instructions while it is already running a program. In some instances it makes sense to have an operator drive it like a video game remotely. This depends on the requirements for the unit.

      There are some very admiral scientists working on these things. They are making stuff that has never been made before, and for a very specific purpose that is handed down by the government. In doing that, they solve very difficult and sometimes silly problems -- how do you deal with dirt on the camera lens? How can you run silent? Is that a tuft of grass or an obstacle? It gets very complex. Unfortunately, robots are still pretty stupid when compared to simple biological systems (ants, for instance), and will be for a while.

      As an added bonus, some of this tech will make it into the marketplace. Unfortunately not the missile launchers, though.

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    3. Re:Robots? by pcgabe · · Score: 1
      I dunno, I've heard of people having more trouble with fully automated systems in the past...

      Lowtax - But... I don't understand how that is possible. I didn't program him to do that, I programmed him to help the homeless and push the homeless into their boxes / houses and shove the space station away from the Terrible Space Secret.

      Lowtax - That's odd, the robot left! I can't find where he went.

      Corn_Boy - be very careful, he is scary, does he have an off button?

      Lowtax - No, I hard encoded the transistor gigaflop switch to the analogue Proteus nord rack 2 Quasimidi ray diode. He should turn himself off.

      Lowtax - That's odd, the lights turned off.

      Corn_Boy - ohno RUn awya!! he is evil

      Lowtax - Robots cannot be evil, you are silly!!!

      Corn_Boy - I am sorry, I am not a robot scientest, but be very careful friend! he is a scemeing robot

      Lowtax - Oh, here he comes! His eyes are glowing and he is holding something shiny. Let me go see what he has, brb

      Corn_Boy - please be careful

      Corn_Boy - hello! are you there!!

      Lowtax - PAK CHOOIE UNF

      Lowtax - HELLO

      Lowtax - DATASTREAM - DATASTREAM

      Lowtax - PAK CHOOIE UNF

      Corn_Boy - where is my friend robot!

      Lowtax - PAK CHOOIE UNF

      Lowtax - HE CANNOT CANNOT USE ICQ NOW HE HAS GONE DOWN THE STAIRS
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    4. Re:Robots? by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hope none of these so-called robots are simply radio-controlled devices.
      Autonomous-vs-not-autonomous is a nonsense argument since neither extreme is practical. There will always be a level of human control (at minimum, to specify the commander's intent) and a level of autonomous control (at minimum, coordinated moving of wheels or legs to move as directed). In between is where all practical applications lie.
    5. Re:Robots? by rick_campbell · · Score: 1

      ``Anything under human control does not rate being called a robot.'' is not insightful (current rating) it's ridiculous.

      Obviously, there are degrees to which we wish to automate our control over our tools, but, we definitely, absolutely, want our robots to be under human control. For example, the robotic arms and turntables in the CMU Robotics Institute when I worked there c. 1983 were, um, meant to be controlled. Also, that control, was meant to originate from humans.

      People refer to bionics -- especially the Sci Fi versions, e. g. The Six Million Dollar Man -- using terms such as ``robotic limbs''. These also, not suprisingly, are meant to be controlled by humans.

    6. Re:Robots? by macdaddy357 · · Score: 1

      That's the only way we can keep them from seeking Sarah Connor.

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  5. Irony of ironies by VennData · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The thing designed to save US lives looks like a casket.

    1. Re:Irony of ironies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must live a really sad and bitter life if that is the first thing you have to comment on.

      Robots are going to fucking slaughter the Hajis and their dirty tactics.
      The robots can dramastically drop the kill rates by the IED's when there are no humans in the vehicle.

      Unfortunately the casket joke goes more on the dead muslim terrorist than it applies to the American soldier.

    2. Re:Irony of ironies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think these posts are purposefully made to be offensive... I think somebody with the opposite viewpoint is likely the one posting them. Weird.

  6. Bring it to consumers by intchanter · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that it would be easy enough to do this for consumer-grade devices shortly after the move to all-electric cars. Just have a separate motor per wheel so you don't need a complicated power train.

    Toss in a fraction of the automated control that they're talking about, and you have the ultimate off-road vehicle and the ride can be as smooth as you want.

    1. Re:Bring it to consumers by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      with separate electric motors for each wheel then you must have a way to synchronize all the motors to run at the same speed, plus coordination for forward, reverse, neutral, and for steering there needs to be some limited slip to compensate for the inside rear wheel turning slower than the outside real wheel so you do not get that "wheel hopping" effect like you do with full posi-trac rear differentials.
      - i would be willing to bet the electronic that would go in to a system would be plenty complicated, not impossible - but not a brainless task either...

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    2. Re:Bring it to consumers by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

      with separate electric motors for each wheel then you must have a way to synchronize all the motors to run at the same speed... i would be willing to bet the electronic that would go in to a system would be plenty complicated, not impossible - but not a brainless task either...

      Code for that is in most of the better vehicle traction and stability control systems right now. Ordinary cars now have two axes of rate gyro, steering wheel sensors, wheel encoders, and computer-controlled individual wheel braking.

  7. Re:Corny Acronyms by JonathanR · · Score: 1

    Yes. The more intelligent way is to select the acronym first, then find the words to fit.

  8. Over-reliance on tech by Wowsers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thinking in "James Bond" film mode for a moment, what happens IF some enemy lets off an EM pulse, what happens to your (over) reliance on technology?

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    1. Re:Over-reliance on tech by NewbieProgrammerMan · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bah, I'm sure that all our cool toys are totally invulnerable to EM weapons. They're probably completely unhackable and could never be hijacked in any way to be used against US troops or innocent bystanders.

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    2. Re:Over-reliance on tech by sleeponthemic · · Score: 1

      Thinking in "James Bond" film mode for a moment, what happens IF some enemy lets off an EM pulse, what happens to your (over) reliance on technology? We unleash the ultimate organic force on this planet. A search and destroy team comprised of Chuck Norris, Steven Segal and Jean-Claude Van Damme.
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    3. Re:Over-reliance on tech by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Thinking in "James Bond" film mode for a moment, what happens IF some enemy lets off an EM pulse, what happens to your (over) reliance on technology?

      I remember reading something online about the specs being requested by the military on one of these UAV aircraft before. One of the criteria being investigated is how well its stands up to an EMP attack or something natural like a lightning strike. The more worrying one was the spec requesting how well it stood up to a nuclear attack.

      In that regard, the military does put a lot of effort into shielding their equipment from possible EMP attack especially on their billion dollar bombers which still aren't unmanned. I suspect the same effort will go into a UAV, but with the UAV it might be cheaper to just build another one since you don't have to retrain another pilot.

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    4. Re:Over-reliance on tech by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      Regarding your scenario.... *which* side was it again with an over reliance on technology?

      However in response to your post, many (not all) military vehicles are hardened to some degree to EMP.

      Also, at Paxtuxent River MD the capacitors that are used to generate an EMP (used to test Navy aircraft in this regard) are the size of a semi trailer. This is just the capacitors (i have laid eyes on them) - and the generated EMP is tiny.

      A feasable EMP generator is known as an atomic bomb - but use one of those against the US and see what happens.

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    5. Re:Over-reliance on tech by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      They could be more tightly focused, giving extra range for the same power. It's not unreasonable to think that EMPs could be used to shoot down planes one degree of airspace at a time.

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    6. Re:Over-reliance on tech by sponga · · Score: 1

      Ummm an EM pulse is your strongest argument?
      Wah, wah, wah....

      Well than we just send in a flight of 10 unmanned UAV's loaded with hellfires and airdrop a squad of 20 battle bots to seek out the EMP device; which was easily detected by the Air Forces satellites in the area or radar. EMP can't go off all day long and we have reinforcements. All of this is ready to launch from the base or on the carrier hundreds of miles away, hell they already might have a manned/un-manned B-52 loaded with all those things in it ready to airdrop within seconds of the EMP going off.
      There will still be human soldiers to don't be so naive; it is just the future Marine might have his own MECH battlebot he sits in and is protected from up to a 200lb bomb blast.

      Would love to see the face of a terrorist who just saw his buddy blow himself up next to a robot, only to see it get up and start walking toward him the next target.

    7. Re:Over-reliance on tech by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      "They're probably completely unhackable and could never be hijacked in any way to be used against US troops or innocent bystanders."

      This is has been the case since the first primate picked up a rock to bash in his neighbors head. It will likely be the case until the last primate is dead and gone. I would guess that it is harder to hijack a radio controlled device than it is to hijack a knife or gun.

    8. Re:Over-reliance on tech by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      What good are soldiers who can be stopped by a simple bullet?

      What good are bridges that can be taken down with a few pounds of explosive?

      What good are airplanes that can taken down with a rocket?

      What good is trying if someone can just spoil things?

      Electronic devices have unique weaknesses just like other kinds of hardware (and wetware). I think a good rebuttal to your question would be that the benefits of electronic equipment far, far outweigh the remote chances of some kind of catastrophic EMP (not going to even harp about how military electronics are usually EMP-resistant).

      The push towards more automated battlefield systems has its rationale in two areas:
      -Automation is a force multiplier, allowing fewer people and resources to do more
      -Automation often takes the place of strenuous or dangerous work, thus protecting lives (this is a corollary to the first point)

      In today's battlefield, an enemy posessing the capability to produce EMP strong enough to take out our equipment would likely be endangering their own forces; today's battlefield is very different from wars past in that the forces are knit in a quilt of skirmishes rather than a line. EMP would be a nondicriminating destructive force for everyone involved, and at that point our problems would be greater than fried RAM.

      -b

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    9. Re:Over-reliance on tech by WATist · · Score: 1

      One thing about fully or partially automated UAVs is that AI pilot/driver error will tend to take all of machines off the battle field, other-wise one human pilot/driver is grounded/suspended.

    10. Re:Over-reliance on tech by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      and drown the terrorists in pussy juice?

    11. Re:Over-reliance on tech by pseudochaos · · Score: 1

      Well considering what causes EMPs (explosions, nuclear in particular) according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_pulse I'd say that the EMP is the going to be the least of the UAV's concerns when it encounters it.

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  9. They should consider low tech options. by Digestromath · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Millions of dollars in developing advanced robotic military hardware. Individual unit prices no doubt in the 6 or 7 figure range. High training costs for operating personnel, maintenance, some sort of expensive high tech ammunition and long tech support calls.

    All of it to be ultimately undone by a hundred dollars worth of high explosive, some household shrapnel and a triggering device operated by a guy living a cave who MAY have spent a total of three weeks at the local militant training camp.

    We are living in the age of guerilla warfare. It's no longer about the size of your Deathstar. Its about how many plucky farm kids you can convince to join the cause.

    I guess there new moto could be "Army of 00000001"

    1. Re:They should consider low tech options. by argiedot · · Score: 1

      There was a sci-fi story I read a long time ago (Asimov, perhaps) that had someone explaining how they lost their war. "We were more advanced.", he said. Funny stuff.

    2. Re:They should consider low tech options. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are living in the age of guerilla warfare. No. We are in living in the age of George W. Bush. Which is when the USA has declared to the entire planet that it doesn't give a shit to any form of international law or agreement if it stands in the way of its imperialistic wars of conquest. Where Bush wants to bomb Iran for trying to build atomic weapons, and at the same time the US retreats from previous nuclear weapons agreements.

      We live in the age, where governments of rich countries all saw a golden opportunity on a **minor** terroristic attack in NY, and used it to frighten their populations, and used this fear to push forward agendas of surveillance, and control.

      And for the fucktards who are going to argue that those planes in NY were not minor please, get a sense of perspective will you? According to the UN during the Clinton years alone, 600 thousand young iraquis died because of US sanctions. And as that was not enough, now you have the entire country destroyed. How many Iraqs are now refugees? How many are dead? Because of what? Because they saw a golden opportunity of throwing money to the weapon industry and finance the oil industry (yeay!), and the rest of the US apparently ceases to use their brain the moment they see a flag being waved in their faces.

      These robots being built have the great purpose of avoiding US soldiers from dying, which in turn allows the US population to truly completely ignore how much murder their government perpetrates.

      Talking about how US gov should not or not consider high tech or low tech options, is to mis the point that what the US government should do is to stop invading other countries.

    3. Re:They should consider low tech options. by icegreentea · · Score: 1

      The problem with your 'low tech' solution (getting more people into the army) is that its quite possibly MORE exspensive than robots. It costs a quarter of a million dollars to train up a skilled infantry man, and even more to train up other specialists. Equipment costs are exactly cheap either, as that whole body armor fiasco showed. The political cost of having MORE soldiers (which in all likelyhood means more deaths), is hell to pay as well. There is no doubt that going so robot heavy that you can't fight properly is dumb, but shunning all robotics (which can do incredibly useful things) because 'they might get destroyed by a cheap bomb' is silly. By that logic, we shouldn't employ trained infantry men who can be killed by a 50 cent bullet, 200 dollar rifle, and some guy who spent 10 minutes learning how to point and pull.

    4. Re:They should consider low tech options. by LinuxDon · · Score: 1

      It may be destroyed by some (relatively) cheap explosive, but lives are saved because nobody was in it.
      So I guess it's worth the money.

    5. Re:They should consider low tech options. by Xest · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree with your sentiment but I think the benefits of high tech. weaponry are often overshadowed by the typical scenario you mention whereby something like a multi-million dollar vehicle is taken out by a cheaply made IED.

      When we hear news reports of raids on insurgent strongholds by our forces you often hear about how 10s, 100s were killed compared to maybe 2 or 3 allied soldiers. It's the very fact we have high tech. weaponry that allows this, be it simple things such as night vision to full on portable video link ups with drones above the battlefield - the fact is high tech. weaponry is saving the lives of our soldiers.

      Similarly, I understand that an expensive roboting land vehicle like this could be blown apart but if it can traverse more difficult terrain than your average hummer can then surely that allows us to transport things off standard roadways and across tougher terrain hence avoiding the sides of the road where IEDs are often hidden? Surely the best defense against a trap is to be able to not walk into it in the first place?

      There's a lot to be said for the point you make - that we mustn't start using technology in warzones for the sake of it. Used well however it can and already is making our forces a lot better off than they ever have been previously. Whilst 4,000 odd US soldiers may have died in Iraq to insurgents, that figure is dwarfed by the number of insurgents that have died to high tech. weaponry in US hands.

      One final point is that Iraq and Afghanistan are fairly different in terms of weaponry and tactics used, the typical IED made by a taliban tribesman living in the mountains isn't going to do an awful lot to an MBT, but as soon as you go to Iraq where you have insurgents potentially armed by the Iranians using charges shaped specifically to penetrate tank armour it's a different story. The insurgents the US is dealing with in Iraq aren't the same insurgents you describe in your post (i.e. next to no training and only using cheap weaponry) that are more commonly found in Afghanistan. Many insurgents in Iraq have been given vast amounts of training and are aquiring some pretty expensive weaponry themselves. The problem is now that some of the tactics in Iraq are spilling over into Afghanistan.

      Technology does matter in the warzone when it comes to saving soldiers lives, sure a multi-million dollar MULE may get blown to pieces, but I'd rather see that than a patrol of actual humans suffer the same fate.

    6. Re:They should consider low tech options. by mcclungsr · · Score: 1

      I think you mean "Superiority", by Arthur C. Clarke.

    7. Re:They should consider low tech options. by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 1

      It's always easy to speak from an idealistic worldview, where one country does all the wrong. It doesn't really mean anything, of course, because reality contradicts the idealistic worldview in almost every regard, but it sure is easy.

    8. Re:They should consider low tech options. by sco08y · · Score: 1

      Surely the best defense against a trap is to be able to not walk into it in the first place?

      You've pretty much nailed the weakness of IEDs: they can very effectively cover a linear route, but are far less effective against an area.

    9. Re:They should consider low tech options. by Xest · · Score: 1

      I don't think that's true, even zealots have a breaking point whereby they realise no matter how many of their children they throw at a problem with no solution have a breaking point.

      The question is how long, and can the general public ever been convinced to accept that if we're to win it's going to require a whole lot more US sons and daughters to die also?

      The best options were passed up - that of either not going into Iraq at all or that of keeping Saddam or at least his military in power to maintain stability rather than disbanding them.

      It's sad really, imagine if all the resources that have gone into Iraq had gone into Afghanistan instead and we'd never have touched Iraq? Afghanistan would be long done and dusted - realistically, another 10,000 troops would be plenty to really push the Taliban back to the brink of near complete defeat in Afghanistan right now and there's 130,000 troops in Iraq. Furthermore Saddam would've kept Iran in check and it's likely far less lives in Afghanistan would've been lost overall also. The additional resources not wasted in Iraq would've gone a long long way towards helping rebuild their nation to the strength and relative civility it was pre-soviet invasion also.

    10. Re:They should consider low tech options. by Kagura · · Score: 1

      ... but as soon as you go to Iraq where you have insurgents potentially armed by the Iranians using charges shaped specifically to penetrate tank armour it's a different story.

      While some of the parts for an explosively formed penetrator can be machined in Iraq, critical devices and explosives used in some of their Iraqi incarnations originate unmistakably from Iran. It's rather unfortunate that this administration has pissed away its own credibility, to the point where actual evidence (as in not made up this time) against the US' "next big target" is met with complete disbelief from the majority of the world's population... and I can't blame them.

    11. Re:They should consider low tech options. by argiedot · · Score: 1

      You are correct. Thank you!

    12. Re:They should consider low tech options. by mcclungsr · · Score: 1

      One of my favorites. You're welcome.

  10. GREAT THING of course if robots dont kill... by mvfuentes · · Score: 1

    GREAT THING of course if robots don't kill, only capture. If a machine kills alone, I fear my PC.

    1. Re:GREAT THING of course if robots dont kill... by Unoti · · Score: 1

      Truly, because once we capture people we treat them with such justice and dignity.

  11. ...yeah, that's what the world needs... by toby · · Score: 1, Troll

    More weapons.

    Good one, America. Nice to see those sessions with the shrink are working.

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  12. What are the chances by XNormal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What are the chances that someone working on this project played M.U.L.E. in the 80s?

    Enjoy the music of the game here. Ah, nostalgia...

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    1. Re:What are the chances by Trevin · · Score: 1

      Hmm... "Multiple Use Labor Element" ... "Multifunction Utility/Logistics and Equipment"

      I'm thinking they didn't come up with that acronym by coincidence. :-)

      If course, when I saw the pictures my impression immediately changed from M.U.L.E. to "Rise of the Machines".

    2. Re:What are the chances by StefanJ · · Score: 1

      The moment I saw "MULE" in TFA, I knew someone would bring up the game, and hoped someone would post a link to the music.

      Here is the Atari 800 version

    3. Re:What are the chances by EQ · · Score: 1

      I'd say ask the inventors about how much Smithore it can get carry, or if it will mine Crystite...

      That'll get you the answer you want. Heh.

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    4. Re:What are the chances by danlock4 · · Score: 1

      The excellent game M.U.L.E. from the '80s was all I could think of as I was reading the article summary.... thanks for the memories!

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  13. It's all fun and games now by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    But what happens when one of these things goes off the reservation and kills innocents? Or a UAV collides with an airliner. Or suppose some clever hacker figures out how to take control of our drones and uses them to bomb us. Is that an act of war even though it was our weapon system?

    There's a real danger in relying too much on gadget war fighting devices, even one as simple as a pack mule. It starts out as a luxury and pretty soon no squad can't operate without one. You give them capacity, they'll find something to fill it up. Over time units in the field will become more dependent on their robot pack systems.

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    1. Re:It's all fun and games now by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      >>But what happens when one of these things goes off the reservation and kills innocents? Or a UAV collides with an airliner.

      It's a good thing that NEVER happens with trusty humans at the wheel...

      A duck can take down an airplane. Let's not get too wound up about rogue UAVs being the coming apocalypse quite yet.

      -b

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  14. To save everyone some time... by 605dave · · Score: 1

    I for one welcome our MULE overlords who are building SKYNET, and will PWND the terrorists. But where are the freakin' laser beams? OK, that should save everyone some time.

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  15. Our Future by Kittoa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once again, the Simpsons has an applicable quote:

    Commandant: The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots. Thank you.

  16. An answer to the article by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

    Are Unmanned Fighters Ready for Combat? Yes sir. Since the 40's
    In America's army, the old is new again ! The tech to make drones has been available since more than half a century, it just took that long for US officials to realize that it could be a good idea.
    Wake me up when they plan deploying autonomous vehicles. Yes, we have the tech for these also.
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  17. This is nothing new... by lord_mike · · Score: 1

    ...We've had this technology since the early-80's!

    http://atarimule.neotechgaming.com/

    For more details:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.U.L.E.

    1. Re:This is nothing new... by FuzzyFox · · Score: 1
      "MULE goes crazy!"

      Damn, I lost a whole round of Crystite production!

      What?? "Fire in the Store"?! NOOO!!!

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  18. Mod parent up! by thegameiam · · Score: 1

    Word.

    I was a huge fan of the C64 version, and honestly, I think that better computer games are very rare - MULE was just brilliant, and far, far ahead of its time.

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  19. Robots, Crimes and Rule of Law by Benjamin_Wright · · Score: 1

    Under the cited Popular Mechanics article, commentors talk about robots and war crimes. My view: Robotic and cybernetic systems will naturally be designed to keep and report extensive video and other records of their activities. Records can help prevent the commission of crime, and can aid investigation of allegations of crime.

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  20. Old News by Jguy101 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't anyone else know that this issue started hitting stands more than a month ago?

  21. Bush isn't fighting the war you think he is... by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1

    The USA has control of the largest and second largest oil reserves in the world now.

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  22. Case against battlefield TDD ping-pong? by WhoCantTakeAJoke · · Score: 1

    MAARS
    Weight: 235 lb.
    Speed: 7 mph
    Weapons: M240B medium machine gun
    Notable feature: Programmable no-fire zones to prevent fratricide.

    Butch: Hurry up! We're taking heavy fire.
    Andy: Hold on we're still writing our test cases.
    Paul: No, Andy, that code protects soldiers on both the left and right sides. My test case only requires you to protect the left side. You're clearly gold plating.

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  23. Re:Ease of war, oppression & unforeseen conseq by budgenator · · Score: 1

    think how Kent State would have been if it was a tele-presence video game.
    a tele-presence robot being pelted by rocks is less likely to use deadly force to defend it's life than a frustrated, exhausted and injured human being.

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  24. The Taser Problem/Risk Homeostasis by $random_var · · Score: 1

    I've seen a lot of comments arguing that anything that saves the lives of our soldiers is worth it. That's a hard thing to argue against; certainly I don't wish death on any of my countrymen. And from a strategic standpoint, you'd want to have all of your options available.

    But from the standpoint of what's good for the world, I don't think this is. We see the same thing over and over again as we reduce the lethality of certain acts. Now that tasers are widespread, police are using them on people that just happen to piss them off, because nobody will die and the officer won't go to prison (or at least his buddies on the force and in the DA office don't have to do anything questionable to prevent it). When anti-lock brakes were introduced, fatalities remained steady, because people with ABS in their car drive demonstrably more recklessly than people who don't.

    Now we're reducing the human cost of waging war, but we're reducing it asymmetrically. With robots and cruise missiles we hardly have to risk an American life to GO to war now. When you're destroying the American economy with a war, that will annoy some people. But when you're bringing back coffins by the tankerload, you have people marching on Washington DC. Big difference. Now the US finds it much easier to justify going to war and maintaining a warlike presence, so we're going to do it more often. And people just like the innocent Iraqi civilians are going to pay, and the US is going to pay from stirring up more terrorism and anti-American sentiment, and the world is going to pay for the destruction of productive economies and vast diversion of resources from productive ends.

  25. The Terminator by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1

    They should build these Terminator robots that look exactly like Arnold Schwartzenegger in his Mr. Universe days, that don't stop, ever, until their target is dead. Build ten million of these and deploy them all over the Middle East. That should solve the never ending Middle East conflict in about three days.

  26. RC Tanks by Degro · · Score: 1

    It really seems like they are skipping some steps. Why not first focus on remote controlled fighting vehicles? Wouldn't smaller and lighter versions of platforms like the Bradley, with crew sitting safely in a bunker far away performing the same duties, be a bit more effective at this point?

  27. M.A.L.P. by davolfman · · Score: 1

    It's nice to see the technology of the Stargate program like Unmanned Ground Vehicles and standard-issue PDWs finally reaching the mainline military.

    1. Re:M.A.L.P. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In their happier days they could call it RALPH MALP.

  28. No PACRATS comments yet by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    C'mon, am i the only one here who played with G.I. Joes?

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  29. Pretty good for hauling "Smithore" by RicochetRita · · Score: 1

    ...but they always seem to run off from my Crystite sites.

    Er, what?

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  30. X-box remote controller by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 1

    I think it was quite clever of them to use an X-box controller to steer the thing remotely. It's something most of the 18 to 20-something year old grunts will be familiar with.