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Newly Discovered Fungus Threatens World Wheat Crop

RickRussellTX writes "The UN reports that a variety of the rust fungus originally detected in Uganda in 1999 has already spread as far north as Iran, threatening wheat production across its range. The fungus infects wheat stems and affects 80% of wheat varieties, putting crops at risk and threatening the food sources for billions of people across central Asia. Although scientists believe they can develop resistant hybrids, the fungus is moving much faster than anticipated and resistant hybrids may still be years away. Meanwhile, national governments in the path of the fungus are telling folks that there is nothing to worry about."

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  1. Boom! by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The question isn't whether we need to send John Madden in with some Boom! Fast Actin' Tinactin!, but can we eat this new fungus?

    Some fungi are delicious.

  2. panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i'm so sick of being told of what i need to be afraid of. no wonder the world is full of pill popping zombies, i just wish these people would fuck off with their end of the world nonesense.

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    1. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Think about it. Right now, one of the major breadbaskets of the Unites States, the Palouse region, is in perfect shape weather-wise for a bumper crop of wheat this year. We do not exactly have a shortage. But overseas they might... AND the dollar is low...

      Sound to me like U.S. wheat farmers are going to clean up this year.

      Just send everything one way, okay, guys? We don't want that fungus over here!



      But since the apocalyptic scenario has been brought up: what a great illustration of the fact that we have WAY too much of our food crops being grown as huge tracts of monoculture, often all the same crop and all the same species. What a great target for famine-causing organisms.

    2. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Interesting
      what a great illustration of the fact that we have WAY too much of our food crops being grown as huge tracts of monoculture, often all the same crop and all the same species. What a great target for famine-causing organisms.

      While I generally agree with your sentiment, I was surprised to read (in this article) that:

      Black stem rust itself is nothing new. It has been a major blight on heat production since the rise of agriculture, and the Romans even prayed to a stem rust god, Robigus. It can reduce a field of ripening grain to a dead, tangled mass, and vast outbreaks egularly used to rip through wheat regions. The last to hit the North American breadbasket, in 1954, wiped out 40 per cent of the crop. In the cold war both the US and the Soviet Union stockpiled stem rust spores as a biological weapon.
      So... rust fungus has been less of a problem in recent years, when we've been less diverse. Quite interesting.

      (oh, and I now have a new favorite God - Robigus.)
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    3. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by owenc67202 · · Score: 5, Informative

      > Sound to me like U.S. wheat farmers are going to clean up this year. Actually most US wheat farmers sold their crop for this year long ago. That's one of the reasons wheat prices are already through the roof. Most of the sales out there are people fighting over the small amount of wheat that is still available. Farmers saw $7 wheat prices and sold as fast as they could. Never did they imagine that wheat would go over $10.

    4. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by odoketa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      According to the NPR interview I heard with some science-type person on this, the monoculture we've bred was resistant to rust, so you would expect to see numbers going down... until a version of the fungus able to overcome that resistance comes along. Which is what has happened here.

      I just finished a book on phylloxera, and I find it interesting to see some of the parallels. Apparently 100 years is not enough time to learn from mistakes....

    5. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Funny
      Apparently 100 years is not enough time to learn from mistakes...

      100 years is too long. Hardly anyone lives that long, and nobody has time to read about all that has gone on before, and even if they did, they wouldn't be doing anything, they'd be reading about it. Nobody listens to people who just read about stuff, they're just a bunch of nerds.

      You need good old politics to get stuff done. We'll ignore the wheat blight and grow corn to burn in our cars, and when the wheat crop fails, maybe we'll remember we can eat corn instead!

      Then politicians can take credit for staving off the famine by encouraging corn farmers.

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    6. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by odoketa · · Score: 2, Informative

      The book was:

      The Botanist and the Vintner: How Wine Was Saved for the World

      It was pretty good, a sort of murder mystery for grapevines. Lots of people in denial, until it's too late. A few scientists trying to figure out what's going on, and then formulate a response.

      It didn't change my life, but I'm a pretty big wine geek, and it was interesting from that perspective. Also from the perspective of the political situation in France in the latter half of the 1800s.

    7. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by aethera · · Score: 2

      Actually, today is a pretty appropriate day to talk about crop failures. I seem to remember a certain society that was plagued by repeated wheat crop failures and so switched to potatoes as a source of starch. I don't think that worked out too well for them either, however.

    8. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Deagol · · Score: 4, Informative
      The wheat (and other non corn farmers) are going to clean up for the next few years, until market forces tilt the scales back to a more normal situation.

      Firstly, the US national "wheat stores" (the supply of wheat the country has on-hand at any given time) is at its near lowest point since records began. I'll be damned if I can find the official source now, but I actually browsed a quarterly report from whatever organization that tracks this (USDA perhaps) and read this a few months back. This food storage site (and blog) has been aware of the trends for a while, as his prices have gone through the roof.

      On the anecdotal side: 1) Having livestock, I've witnessed the prices of non-corn 50-pound feeds nearly double in the past 6 months -- all were about $7/bag, and last time I bought them, wheat, oats, & barley were $15. Corn even went from about $7 to $9 over the same time; 2) The prices of food-grade wheat have gone from about $10/bag to over $20 (witnessed both on the Wheat Montanna site and a local Macey's store, which sells 50-pound bags of Walton Feed wheat; 3) While recently at a wine store, I witnessed a farmer talking about converting over to hops, because hop crops are being converted to corn for the ethanol subsidies.

      This, of course, is also a general trend of the prices of food (and everything else) going up to reflect higher fuel costs. We normally buy whole wheat and grind it fresh -- it's much healthier, and is normally much chepaer. Howeverm due to large mills buying advanced contracts at a set price, the prices of wheat flour haven't caught up with that of whole wheat yet. Right now, it's cheaper to buy 2 25-pound bags of flour than it is to buy a 50-pound sack of whole wheat berries, which is the first time I've witnessed this imbalance in the 10 years my family has been buying whole wheat. (These are typical retail prices -- price club prices may be different.)

      Oh, and I found this post while trying to find my link to US wheat stores numbers. Not proof positive of a coming "crisis", but when the the topic of wheat prices starts popping up on mainstream sites, it's worth taking note of. It's quite conceivable that this year we will see a doubling of prices for all wheat-based staples (flour, bread, pasta, etc.) and products which use wheat products will follow shortly thereafter. Even those of us who don't buy processed, pre-made stuff will be feeling the pinch. I really feel sorry for those who buy Eggo Waffles and frozen garlic bread in a box.

    9. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by NotZed · · Score: 2, Informative


      It means a region suited to and used for growing wheat. Based mainly on geography and climate. Flat open areas with little rainfall in summer.

      Often, but not always associated with sheep. As in 'wheat and sheep country'. Both do well in similar climates.

      It's really quite simple, and a simple google search shows both in common usage, and even that they aren't just colloquial Australian phrases either.

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  3. just eat it by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny
    just eat it

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_smut

    Considered a pest in most of the United States, smut feeds off the corn plant and decreases the yield. Usually smut-infected crops are destroyed. However, in Mexico corn smut is called huitlacoche (IPA: [witakote], sometimes spelled cuitlacoche), a Nahuatl word reportedly meaning raven's excrement [1]. It is considered a delicacy, even being preserved and sold for a higher price than corn. For culinary use, the galls are harvested while still immature -- fully mature galls are dry and almost entirely spore-filled. The immature galls, gathered two to three weeks after an ear of corn is infected, still retain moisture and, when cooked, have a flavor described as mushroom-like, sweet, savory, woody, and earthy. Flavor compounds include sotolon and vanillin, as well as the sugar glucose.


    uh... never mind

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot

    Ergotism is the name for sometimes severe pathological syndromes affecting humans or animals that have ingested ergot alkaloid-containing plant material, such as ergot-contaminated grains. The common name for ergotism is "St. Anthony's fire", in reference to the symptoms, such as severe burning sensations in the limbs.[3] These are caused by effects of ergot alkaloids on the vascular system due to vasoconstriction of blood vessels, sometimes leading to gangrene and loss of limbs due to severely restricted blood circulation. The neurotropic activities of the ergot alkaloids may also cause hallucinations and attendant irrational behaviour, convulsions, and even death.[1][2] Other symptoms include strong uterine contractions, nausea, seizures, and unconsciousness. Historically, controlled doses of ergot were used to induce abortions and to stop maternal bleeding after childbirth. Ergot alkaloids are also used in products such as Cafergot (containing caffeine and ergotamine or ergoline) to treat migraine headaches. Simple ergot extract is no longer used as a pharmaceutical preparation.[citation needed] Monks of the order of St. Anthony the Great specialized in treating ergotism victims with balms containing tranquilizing and circulation-stimulating plant extracts; they were also skilled in amputations.[citation needed]
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  4. Triticale will probably kick it's butt by cyberzephyr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it's too soon to worry about a rust that only eats wheat. If you look here: www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/triticale.html You will see that there is a Wheat form that people have been using for a long time and with no problems. They might be complaining that beer production might go down!

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  5. Strains by esocid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish the article would have mentioned how related the African and Asian wheat strains were to European and American strains. Since US corn crops are about 85% genetically similar doesn't make the situation in the US good at all. If it does hit the US pretty hard we may be seeing wheat coming from Mexico most likely.

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    1. Re:Strains by CSMatt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Great. Among everything else we now have to worry about illegal wheat crossing the border.

    2. Re:Strains by Fireshadow · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is real scary. According to National Association of Wheat Growers, "The United State would also be highly vulnerable to Ug99, with recent assessments suggesting that more than 50% of hard winter wheat and more than 75% of hard spring wheat acreage are currently planted to varieties that are susceptible to Ug99". (I'd post the reference link, but the filter complained about the length!)
      According to this page , world wheat reserves are the lowest in 25 years. I would not trust trying to buy one's food on the global market anytime soon.

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    3. Re:Strains by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 5, Informative

      My understanding is that the USDA has a plan to combat this fungus. This involves planting highly resistant wheat in the south during the winter while the northern regions get too cold for the fungus to survive. With no place to take hold in the south and a death zone in the north, the fungus should go away. (source)

  6. Oh, no! by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a fungus amongus!

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    1. Re:Oh, no! by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 4, Funny

      But is the fungus among us humongous?

    2. Re:Oh, no! by catmistake · · Score: 2, Funny

      ergo, I am seeing things

    3. Re:Oh, no! by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Funny

      that's in very spore taste and not fungi at all

  7. This is bad by whitehatlurker · · Score: 4, Informative
    The USDA reports that the virus can infect wheat which has the (previously) most effective rust resistant genes.

    Work is being done to protect crops, but Norman Borlaug says "This thing has immense potential for social and human destruction." Oh yes, and you can say goodbye to cheap white bread.

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  8. Re:Billions in Central Asia? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    What's the definition of "central Asia"? Is there really "billions of people" there?

    A few seconds research would've give you an answer (80 million for the lazy).

    I think however that the range of the fungus is far wider than just central Asia. Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia (along with the countries they supply grain to] could be affected, along with the rest of the world if the fungus continues to spread.

    New scientist has a better article (from almost a year ago).

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  9. Nobody by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Can tell you what to be afraid of, they can only tell you what they are afraid of. Personally, I favour the approach of knowing more about a subject before dismissing it, and I regard this new problem as potentially very significant. However, there is a huge difference between what is possible and what actually happens. H5N1 is a possible threat (and can therefore be prevented before it becomes actual). AIDS is an actual disaster and, no matter what is ever achieved, the best that can be done is preventing that disaster from becoming worse. You can't prevent it from being a tragedy at this point. Global warming - well, it depends on who you talk to. James Lovelock - one of the world's premiere environmental scientists - thinks prevention is now impossible. Others, just as notable, think it is. World wheat collapses? A lot of land has been cleared for beef (and, these days, corn) around the world, well outside the affected areas, so I'm inclined to think that action is still possible... ...but only if it's taken seriously as a possibility. It's when nobody cares that things become a disaster.

    As for the over-medicated culture we live in, that's still about not caring. If people cared, they wouldn't avoid. If they didn't avoid, they wouldn't need over-medicating. Avoiding by apathy or by drugs is the same thing.

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    1. Re:Nobody by FrostedChaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you look at the example of malaria, sleeping sickness, and yellow fever-- all of which are scourges in Africa-- I think you'll see that 100 years is far too short for humans to evolve a way around AIDS. Anyway, up until scientific medicine came on the scene, cholera, smallpox, and whooping cough routinely decimated Europe. So it's not even clear that people would become immune naturally, even in thousands of years.

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  10. cheap white bread is bad by r00t · · Score: 3, Informative

    Eat your vegetables. Seriously.

  11. This is so awesome!!! by jdb2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have been waiting for this day since I was diagnosed with C(o)eliac Disease
    Now everyone has to use rice flour! ;) (well, it feeds half the world anyway)

    jdb2

  12. Re:Strangely the brits by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    are moaning about wheat production and asia sucking up production capacity at the moment as well. How ironic would it be after all the billions spent on security if we suffer catastrophic population denudation due to the simple fact we can't feed ourselves. Go mother nature, lets have some balance restored. Really? You are hoping for famine that could cause billions of innocent people to starve just to teach us a lesson? Seriously?

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  13. Re:We'll be fine by SEWilco · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't worry. The UN will publish a strongly worded resolution telling the fungus to stop. If that doesn't work they'll send a wheat-keeping force.

  14. Pellegrino /Dust/ by Olaf+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This reminds me of the novel /Dust/ by Charles Pellegrino. See
    http://www.sfsite.com/05b/dust33.htm for a pretty good review.
    ISBN-10: 0380787423
    ISBN-13: 978-0380787425
    http://www.amazon.com/Dust-Charles-R-Pellegrino/dp/0380787423/

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  15. Immunity is fiction. by jd · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is no resistance to it. Not a single person has survived exposure to the virus. The few supposed exceptions turned out not to be. The body cannot adjust to it. HIV is a polymorphic virus that mutates almost every replication. There is no evolutionary pressure to be resistant to it, because there is no survival rate. Same as there's no build-up in antibiotic-resistant bacteria when medication is taken correctly and appropriately. Resistant people in Africa or anywhere else is a nice fiction but should be left in Neuromancer.

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    1. Re:Immunity is fiction. by Urkki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if AIDS itself were 100% lethal, there's still difference between being HIV positive and developing AIDS. There definitely is evolutionary pressure for supressing AIDS as long as possibe in HIV positive humans. The longer am HIV positive person stays "just infected", the more they can breed, and also the more they can spread the virus. So actually there is a two-way pressure both on humans and on HI virus to develop so that actual AIDS never starts. So there is an evolutionary pressure for evolving AIDS resistance and immunity.

      And then of course there is pressure for being immune to HIV itself. Wether it has developed in any human yet or not, that's unknown I guess, but if it does (by random mutation) happend, then definitely it's an evolutionary advantage and is likely to spread over generations.

    2. Re:Immunity is fiction. by PMBjornerud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The few supposed exceptions turned out not to be. The body cannot adjust to it. HIV is a polymorphic virus that mutates almost every replication. There is no evolutionary pressure to be resistant to it, because there is no survival rate. Which "exceptions that turned out not to be" are these? I'd appreciate some links to read more about this.

      The latest information I had, was that there were some connection between the bubonic plague (Black Death) and AIDS resistance:
      http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/01/66198 :

      An estimated 1 percent of people descended from Northern Europeans are virtually immune to AIDS infection, with Swedes the most likely to be protected.
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  16. Re:It's okay by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course hemp comes up! Hemp does everything! With it, you can make rope, clothes, food, furnature, computer chips, gold, planets, the One Ring, you name it, hemp can do it!

    Q: I've heard hemp mills are awfully loud.
    A: They run as quiet as a cloud.

    Q: What if, perchance, hemp plastics should bend?
    A: Not on your life, my stoner friend.

    Q: What about us doped-up slobs?
    A: You'll be given cushy jobs!

    Q: The ring came off my pudding can!
    A: Use a hemp one, my good man.

    Q: Were you sent here by the devil?
    A: No, good sir, I'm on the level.

    You see, America, hemp's your only choice. Put down your bongs and raise your voice!

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  17. Amaranth by bitspotter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hear buzz growing about amaranth as a grain contender. Better protein, restores soil nutrients, etc.

    1. Re:Amaranth by Frozen+Void · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would choose quinoa instead.

  18. Re:Strangely the brits by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You do know that, if the US chose to - we could grow enough food to feed every single person on this earth. And provide them all with hundreds of gallons of fresh water every day. And not need a single extra acre of farmland.

    Starvation in Africa is a political - not resource - problem. Starvation ANYWHERE is a political problem. Food is there, it can be grown, it could be delivered. But some tyrants prefer to starve their population...

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  19. You're such a... by greatscottsby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fungi!! (Fun-guy)!!

  20. Re:Billions in Central Asia? by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One might also ask what the definition of "newly discovered" is nowadays.
    Given the ever increasing rate of change, somehow 1999 doesn't cut it for me...

  21. Not even close to true by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful
    that use to be true, Back in the late 50's. We were the wealthiest nation on the earth, and more important, the earth's population was sustainable (2 billion). Not anymore.

    Now
    1. population is at 6 billion and growing fast.
    2. pollution levels are enormous; china is well beyond what the entire world had in the 50's.
    3. the strain on FRESH CLEAN water is well beyond our abilities to handle it (and about to get worse due to GW).
    No, we are LONG past the time when America COULD have handled things. As to tyrants "prefering" to starve their pop, that is not even close. I seriously doubt that anybody CHOOSES to starve their population. They are just incompetent idiots who are being backed by either EU, America or China and kept in power because of that (and yes, various countries EU still quietly backs various bad nations).
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    1. Re:Not even close to true by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2
      It's still true... Please see my other post about everyone living in Texas alone, and being fed AND provided with water from just the US.

      Starvation is NOT a resource issue - it is a purely political issue. And unless and until we're willing to solve that, throwing more resources into sh*tholes like Zimbabwe and Sudan is just flushing it down the the toilet.

      Ask Mugabe how, in 15 short years, he can turn Zimbabwe from a massive exporter of food to the pit of dispair it has become. Ask the Sudanese rebels where the millions of pounds of food end up. Ask the Somali warlords how many bags of food actually got to the population - not their gangs - when we tried feeding that place.

      The REAL solution is called nation building, but that's not acceptable to most on the political left. You want to feed Africa? A few well-placed bullets would solve 95% of the problem.

      And yes, I put my money - and my life - where my mouth is. I've been to Kenya, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Burundi, Haiti, Cambodia, Bangladesh, and other places to work in humanitarian efforts. The biggest issues we faced? Trying to get aid and supplies to the people, without losing it all in bribes to the local thugs running the place...

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  22. Re:Strangely the brits by Firrenzi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We have fscked this world over for so long with chemicals, polutants and toxins and we are reaping what we have soon. for the last 200 years we have not lived in balance, consuming too much, not producing enough and not respecting the balance of ecologies and their requirements. Fisheries die out, we plant mono crop setups that rape the ground of it's resources without putting anything back. We live outside of the seasons in our own constructed time, and try to run it our way instead of natural physical laws that peoples have worked with for thousands of years.

    We fsck with biotoxins, dna splicing and nature in general to seek a better breed, but care not for the delicate balance that must be preserved. What diversity of species do we have compared now to 200, 300 years ago?

    The ecosystems can be so complex that we struggle to understand them, yet we do all these things knowingly that we are abusing delicate balances that should not be upset. The saddest things is that 'we know what we do' and continue to do it.

    We have a responsibility as sentient beings to this planet and we are fsking it into the ground. No sadly we reap what we sow. Cause and effect

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  23. Re:Strangely the brits by ElBeano · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh, don't be silly. Growing the food DOES cost money. The parent post said "if we chose to" but it really is a bit more complicated than that. There have been times when we worked with other countries to make sure their populations were well fed, outside of the normal economic system. Google "oil for food" for more.

  24. There is an immunity gene by microbox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bubonic plague is transported in the body in a similar way to HIV. There is a recessive gene that provides immunity, so you can be born flat-out immune to aids. It works by changing the shape of white blood cells.

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  25. i tried amaranth cereal once by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    it was like eating gravel

    hopefully american food processors can turn it into a sweet mushy goo, like most of the food i'm comfortable with

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  26. Re:Faithy Governments by Nimey · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have it on good authority that we could have avoided all of those if we, as a nation, would turn back to God and expel those nasty gays, pagans, and so forth.

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  27. Re:Strangely the brits by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2
    The US - directly from its government and directly from private charities - sends tens of billions of dollars to Africa every year. Africa used to grow tons of food; Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa, being a major exporter of food to the rest of Africa.

    What happened? Dictators and murderers like Mugabe seized power. Farms were stolen from the farmers, and given to political cronies. Aid is taken from the masses and given to the elite.

    The solution? Go in, kill the bastards, and rebuild the country. Of course, the US did that in Iraq and look at the grief received for doing so... And when we decide to do nothing - like in Sudan - we're condemned for sitting on the sidelines.

    So you tell me - what should the EU or US do? What would YOUR solution be? Mine would be pretty radical for most around here, so what would your politically correct solution be, and how would it differ from the current situation other than in magnitude of aid sent and redirected to bastards who have destroyed Africa.

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  28. Re:It's okay by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'll stop making fun of the "Hemp is a wonder crop" folks as soon as they start advocating for, say, kenaf (a largely superior fiber), or when 95% of the hemp advocacy sites online don't have words like "marijuana" in the URL.

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  29. Re:It's okay by cleatsupkeep · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think its the monorail song - from the Music Man style guy.

    Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth
    Like a genuine,
    Bona fide,
    Electrified,
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    Homer: Mono... D'oh!

  30. Re:It's okay by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You get my point, though, don't you? The overwhelming majority of those touting hemp *virtually never* tout any other great fibers. Their sole reason they are concerned with hemp is made obvious by the sites where you see the advocacy, everywhere from "stopthedrugwar.org" to "nirvana-shop.co.uk" to "drugwarfacts.org" to "druglibrary.org" and so on. These people aren't into hemp because they've long had some sort of affection for quality fibers. Their sole interest is to try and show that the government went overboard with the drug war as part of a move to try and get the drug war repealed.

    Hemp is not some magical crop. It has many uses, but they're often way overstated, and other crops, like kenaf, are superior in most respects. It's just another crop, one that could be useful, but has unfortunately gotten caught up in politics. Yet every time the topic comes up, you get these druggies who treat it like it's the Second Coming of Christ, and then act all taken aback when you point out that it's not exactly the best choice in most applications. Even some very common products today are superior than their hemp equivalents -- for example, plain 'old manila rope, made from a type of banana leaf. Just as strong, but doesn't rot nearly as easily as hemp rope does (hemp rope is particularly insidious when it comes to rot, as it tends to rot from the inside out and wick water along so that the whole rope can rot). Or take the other "miracle" thing often mentioned, hemp oil. Yes, it also has many uses. It's also not a very thermally stable oil, and is somewhat prone to going rancid.

    Can you see how one can get sick of the politics-driven promotion of hemp as a cure-all?

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    That was either the start of something bad or the end of something stupid.
  31. Re:It's called INFLATION by FreakWent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    wrong.

    The wheat price is high because some food crops are being used for ethanol instead, so there's less food.

    The wheat price is also high because their is higher demand as China (Asia) moves like Russia did in the 70s to more meat in the average diet, so they need more grain to feed to animals. 10 calories of grain is needed to make 1 calorie of meat, IIRC.

    You see flour shortages in Pakistan, and massive queues and shortages, and that's not because of the USA dollar.

    It all comes back to the oil price, and the available energy per capita.