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Pleasing Google's Tech-Savvy Staff

An anonymous reader writes "Douglas Merrill, Google Inc.'s chief information officer, is charged with answering that question. His job is to give Google workers the technology they need, and to keep them safe — without imposing too many restrictions on how they do their job. So the 37-year-old has taken an unorthodox approach. Unlike many IT departments that try to control the technology their workers use, Mr. Merrill's group lets Google employees download software on their own, choose between several types of computers and operating systems, and use internal software built by the company's engineers. Lately, he has also spent time evangelizing to outside clients about Google's own enterprise-software products — such as Google Apps, an enterprise version of Google's Web-based services including e-mail, word processing and a calendar."

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  1. Nice approach by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately it will take only one mistake by one employee to ruin it for everyone.

    1. Re:Nice approach by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not really sure how that works.

      Other than leaking source code onto the Internet, I don't really see what problems this could cause. I work at a small company with a similar philosophy -- the company buys your hardware, and certain software if you need it, but you can use whatever you want so long as you're not fighting with it on the clock.

      But think about it: Spam botnets can be blocked by killing port 25 outbound. Data loss can be managed by the fact that everything's on version control, which is backed up. Traditional spyware and viruses will at worst take a machine down, at which point, it's the responsibility of whoever owns that machine to fix it -- or maybe they try to spread over the local network, at which point, staying patched and/or running a personal firewall will pretty much stop it.

      The only real danger would be if we got big enough to be a target for deliberate attacks, and someone stole our source code. Google is arguably this big, but I've never heard of a leak from them. TFA does mention a possible strategy:

      We have antivirus and antispyware running on people's machines, but we also have those things on our mail server. We have programs in our infrastructure to watch for strange behavior. This means I don't have to worry about the endpoint as much.

      So what mistake could one employee make to ruin it for everyone?

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    2. Re:Nice approach by the+computer+guy+nex · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So what mistake could one employee make to ruin it for everyone?

      Your logic is faulty.

      Traditional spyware and viruses will at worst take a machine down

      Google is not targetted by 'traditional' viruses/spyware. The first hacker to take down their network, either internal or external facing, would be infamous.
    3. Re:Nice approach by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "So what mistake could one employee make to ruin it for everyone"

      Get pwn3d and:
      a) Commit GMail/etc code secretly backdoored by a hacker.
      b) Leak out the search ranking and antisearch spam methods/algorithm google uses. Google's search results are already not as good as they were years ago.

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    4. Re:Nice approach by bishiraver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a) I'm fairly certain google employees would review each others code before commits. TFA mentions they have automated scripts that check security of code.
      b) I got nothin', though I'm willing to bet the search algorithm is one of those things that not many people get to see/tinker with.

  2. I wish our IT was like this. by dangerz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With all the restrictions on tools and languages, it seems like our IT holds us back more often than pushing us forward.

    I recently built an application for my group that started off in PHP/MySQL. The customers were using it and loving it, but IT said they're not interested in supporting PHP and we weren't allowed to stand up a server. After months of talk with them and compromising, it was rewritten into JSP/Oracle. Then they said we're not allowed to do that either, so we agreed on C#.net/MS SQL. I rewrote it to that and after a month, they again came back and said no way. Getting ever more frustrated (I now had the same program in several languages), I ended up in C# Desktop Application instead of web/MySQL. They've been complaining again, but we have more leverage there in that my entire group was stood up to build desktop apps. I'll probably have to switch it to Oracle, but that shouldn't be a big hit.

    We wasted lots of time and money rewriting what was already done all because of politics. I always thought IT was meant to *support* rather than hinder.

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    1. Re:I wish our IT was like this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sounds like your manage is a little bitch and didn't get them to do their jobs.
      My view is that situations like this are what managers are for. They are there to traverse the politics for you to get your php application up because that's what needs to be done. They also have more leverage when talking to the IT department's manager, or when talking to the Department Manager that the IT manager probably reports to, which is good.

    2. Re:I wish our IT was like this. by filterban · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow. Did you bother asking them what they would support before writing the application? That seems like the better approach to me.

      If they're only willing to support a specific language, then you need to work in their requirement (generally speaking).

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    3. Re:I wish our IT was like this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      We wasted lots of time and money rewriting what was already done all because of politics. I always thought IT was meant to *support* rather than hinder.

      Not if it's Microsoft. Then the 'IT' department is working against you. Sure you pay them, but their goal is to further the agenda of their political party. It's got stock and it files with the SEC but sure enough some kind a political party.

      If they can't force you to toe Bill's line, they do their most to throw sand in your gears to see if you'll give up.

    4. Re:I wish our IT was like this. by mungtor · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Does IT make the company money? No, not a dime, they're a money sink-hole like electricity and phones."

      IT is a cost, but if they are doing their jobs correctly they can also work to save the company money. Most software engineers have no clue about what technology would be best to implement their products on, they only know what got touted as the best/fastest/newest thing on ./ and therefore they *must* have it (otherwise IT is "blocking" them, of course).

      Generally, there's just too much ego involved from both sides. Everybody thinks their right and are more willing to play office politics to try to "prove" it than to just get the fucking job done.

  3. Re:All Credit to Him by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It always applies to other companies. The thought process it takes to create software services is what I believe should be the approach to network services. If each little group of employees is walled off the basic network, and their access outside that playpen restricted to what they need, any major error inside the playpen is less likely to corrupt the whole network. Much like a city's services are configured. Everyone needs water, electric, sewage, trash service, roads etc. If you trip the breaker in your office, the next office building is unaffected just as they are normally unaffected if your toilet overflows. In that way each can do pretty much whatever they like and all remain unharmed. I'm not saying that your hobby of cultivating anthrax is going to fly for very long, but short of that... well, you can (more or less) grow what you want in your window-box garden. You can walk down the street to the park, just not through everyone's backyards.

    The idea is not to restrict people, but restrict damaging elements from hopping around your network.

  4. How? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Okay... Sounds interesting, but how exactly security and proper licensing is maintained? Could other companies emulate it?

    1. Re:How? by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Okay... Sounds interesting, but how exactly security and proper licensing is maintained? Could other companies emulate it? Maybe. Depends a lot on the company I imagine. Part of the reason it flies at google is because of something mentioned in the article. Almost everyone is an engineer of some type, and they all have security training. The security bit isn't as important, but as far as licenses go, most of them should understand you can't for instance bring your copy of MS Word in from home and install it on your company system. At companies with less technically inclined individuals, they may not see the problem with installing whatever software they can find on their company systems (talking from a purely licensing standpoint here, not talking about security). Essentially if Google got raided by the BSA they'd probably fair pretty well, but some other non-IT centric company might not fair as well with a similar IT policy. Of course, there's no reason for any company not to implement a similar policy for all their technical users at least.
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    2. Re:How? by bishiraver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm willing to bet that any licensed software is freely available from internal google downloads, along with the legal license to said software. Google has the money to, after all.

  5. Mostly fluff by orclevegam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not much to this article but there are a few interesting tidbits. A lot is in the summary, so not much need to go to the actual article, but something interesting not in the summary is when he talks about googles security environment, and why it's not really a security risk to let people install whatever they want. What it boils down to, is that the old style security of locking down the endpoints (that is, peoples workstations) makes people sleep better, but doesn't actually provide much in the way of security. Instead they focused on securing the infrastructure, such as running AV software on the mail server, and intrusion detection software that monitors the networks and servers, plus one would assume properly configured firewalls. He also mentions that being a search company they already had really tight security in place and that few people had access to customer data, so adding security to support outside enterprise data wasn't a big leap.

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  6. Re:All Credit to Him by TheLink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's fine if the walls are 100%.

    If you allow some employees access through those walls to other networks, and a hacker manages to get their credentials it can start to get quite nasty.

    Even if the isolation between networks is good there's also the possibility of _work_ being secretly tampered with. I'm sure there are hacker who would want to tamper with GMail or Google Desktop.

    Or confidential information leaking out.

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  7. Not uncommon in tech-savvy organisations by Bertie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I also worked at a very big company which let us do this. Not company-wide, just the couple of thousand people that worked where I did, which was probably very similar to Google in terms of the sort of people who would work there. We were considered to be bright enough to stand on our own two feet. We weren't the sort to bother tech support unless it was a problem with, say, networking - applications we'd installed were our problem, and besides that we'd be more likely to know what we were doing with those applications than the average techie. It meant that if we needed a particular piece of software or equipment, we didn't have to wait weeks to get sign-off from God Himself - we went and downloaded it and our manager found the money for it if it had to be paid for. We were trusted not to buy stuff we didn't need, and by and large it worked. Treat people like adults and they'll behave like adults, mostly.

    More than once I got hold of an oldish spare computer and installed Gentoo Linux on it, and the only justification I had for doing so was that Windows got on my nerves. Not much of a business case, but as far as they were concerned I was a big boy and could look after myself, and it was no skin off their nose as long as it didn't take up tech support's time.

    The only thing that made us different from the tied-down masses elsewhere in the company was our level of knowledge about what we were working with. I maintain that the best security system is user education. Obviously that's not to suggest that you should throw caution to the wind, but clued-up people generally won't get you in trouble. So clue them up.

    Right now I'm in a much more locked-down environment and it's incredibly frustrating. Something as simple as connecting to a printer is a nightmare because I have to go through some tech support clown who invariably knows a lot less than I do and bumbles around randomly prodding things till it works. I don't have admin rights to my own machine, and useful things like the command line are blocked. It drives me mad, and it holds me back in my work, but hey, some IT goon has an easier life because of it, so it's all fair enough, right?

    Google is full of smart people, and the people in charge are clearly smart enough to treat them as such. I wish more companies would follow this example.

    1. Re:Not uncommon in tech-savvy organisations by KiltedKnight · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Not for nothing, but back in its heyday at AOL, you supposedly had some of the best, brightest, and most innovative developers... yet a lot of them were NOT email savvy at all. People would just download and open attachments from random, unknown people without performing a virus scan or anything like that.

      Just because you have some brilliant techies doesn't mean they are all security conscious as well.

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  8. standards-compliance by PigleT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The reason this works is because he's a sensible fellow who knows standards-compliance. both in network protocols and data formats, is more important than the mere name of the OS or application issuing them.

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  9. Last Adopter by salesgeek · · Score: 5, Insightful
    IT departments are typically the last adopters of anything. They typically roll up to the CIO, who typically is not a real C level executive. The CIO typically works for the CFO and is an advisory member of the executive committee in most companies. Information Technology generally has two crucial corporate functions: automating accounting functions and managing corporate communication platforms like phones and email. Everything else that happens on a computer - i.e. productivity applications, intranets, etc... are side effects of putting general purpose computers on desks and are secondary functionality. IT Departments have generally claimed fiefdoms over all things computerized so they can have bigger budgets, more resources and are harder to fire and outsource. It's ugly. But true. Most IT innovation starts in some department, and goes like this:
    • Kid in sales writes really cool web app that sells product automagically on MySpace.
    • IT finds out about it, can't integrate it with accounting, tries to kill it.
    • Kid freaks out because someone who is three managers over him is calling him asking what he's doing.
    • Kid's boss freaks out because CIO is calling his employee.
    • Project is killed when Bosses Boss finds out about it because it doesn't make sense to him OR - Bosses Boss intervenes and tells IT to stuff it, and counts money from sales from web app.
    • IT is forced to support web app because CFO now needs to book revenues for month or quarter.
    • Kid is transfered from sales to IT and leaves company one year later to start company that sells MySpace widgets and goes on to become millionaire.
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