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Cyber Attacks against Tibetan Communities

UnderAttack writes "The SANS Internet Storm Center reports about an increasing number of sophisticated and targeted cyber attacks against Tibetan NGOs. These attacks appear to be related to attacks against other anti-chinese groups like Falun Gong. 'There is lots of media coverage on the protests in Tibet. Something that lies under the surface, and rarely gets a blip in the press, are the various targeted cyber attacks that have been taking place against these various communities recently. These attacks are not limited to various Tibetan NGOs and support groups. They have been reported dating back to 2002, and even somewhat before that, and have affected several other communities, including Falun Gong and the Uyghurs.'"

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  1. govt-sponsored by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And since guys doing such things for fun are nearly entirely pro-Tibet, who is left as the only interested party?

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    1. Re:govt-sponsored by mrbluze · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And since guys doing such things for fun are nearly entirely pro-Tibet, who is left as the only interested party?

      Possibly you're right. But I wouldn't be surprised if something much worse than cyber-attacks is awaiting the freedom-seeking Tibetans.. err, 'Terrorists', after the Olympic Games are finished.

      The Chinese government is red-faced on this and it hasn't even begun to wreak its vengeance.

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    2. Re:govt-sponsored by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know why the international community isn't using the Olympics to put pressure on China regarding Tibet.

      A threat of a boycott would do wonders for China's behavior. We dropped out of the 1980 Olympics in Moscow for the same reasons, and the Soviet Union fell in the next decade (not that they were directly related).

      But it seems most of the world's leaders are so busy sucking at the teat of China's huge market and cheap labor and doesn't want to scotch a sweet economic deal. Or I guess I should say the people the world's leaders work for are the ones who won't allow a boycott.

      I know I won't watch the Olympics this year. Not One Bit.

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    3. Re:govt-sponsored by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful


      That's a terrible excuse from the German official. It's exactly saying "I didn't speak out about one thing someone did wrong, so I'm not going to speak out about something else." And if somehow people did say "why didn't you protest against native chinese human rights violations" (not that anyone who cares about this actually would object to at least doing something rather than nothing), it would at least be someone asking about native chinese rights violations which is more publicity than they normally get in the West.

      Even as ways of rationalising a lack of conscience for the sake of self-interest, it's got to be one of the worst I've ever heard.

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    4. Re:govt-sponsored by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Check out the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_unrest_in_Tibet) , for instance, where CCP communist shills in the diaspora have been edit-warring in gangs to make the Tibetans look like the bad guys

      And I was disgusted to see the article "Tibet", supposedly about the history and culture of the regon, mostly devoted to a long rationalisation of why it is and always has been a part of China (excpet for when it was influenced by Evil Western Colonialists).

    5. Re:govt-sponsored by smoker2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Utter crap. Your claim that somehow the USAs decision not to go to the Moscow Olympics caused the fall of the USSR is rubbish, and even your weak disclaimer negates your statement. Even more amusing is the reason for that boycott - the USSR had invaded Afghanistan. Who is embroiled in Afghanistan now (and Iraq) ? And even your reasons are the same as theirs - to quash rebel forces opposed to your domination of the area. The USSR boycotted the 1984 LA Olympics, for political reasons, did that have any effect on world peace ? Even the 1976 boycott by the African Nations did nothing to directly influence the South African apartheid regime.
      The Olympics should not be about politics, and refusing to play nicely is what causes and prolongs arguments. By dealing with the Chinese, we get to understand them, and more importantly, they get to be exposed to, and start to understand and relate to us. These things take time, but by working together, I'm sure we'll find that as the Chinese govt. evolves (as it must due to death of current officials and leaders) the next generation will not be so hostile to the west, and even embrace more of our values. Once they are working on the same set of values then our arguments will make more sense to them.
      Just telling them to fuck off and not engaging will just reinforce the separation of our cultures. And seeing as how the Chinese pretty much own your asses, financially speaking, you shouldn't be picking a fight you haven't got the capability to win.

  2. They needn't be government sponsored... by Digestromath · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They needn't be government sponsored merely idividuals and organizations who are ignored by the government as long as they stay on the "right" side of the law. Believe or not, extreme nationalists are willing to do the dirty work for free. It doesn't matter what country your in, you'll find some extreme patriots willing to go above and beyond to silence thier radical counterparts. Some governments do more to stop them, others do less... when it suits them.

  3. falung gong is chines by xkillkillx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Slightly off-topic : i doubt those crazy Falun-Gong followers qualify as an "anti-Chinese group". They're just a sect/spiritual_practice/younameit which has no such goal as "being anti-Chinese". The Chinese goverment does qualify as "anti falun gong" though.

  4. Rage Against the Chinese? by SlashWombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Several replies and no-one has really been on topic. Doesn't anybody care about the plight of the Tibetans?

    I know Americans are all "gung ho" when it comes to invading countries that are important to it AKA Iraq, Vietnam ... but surely this has not diminished your sense of pity for others. (Or, perhaps it does, seems that it might explain many mysterious things.)

    China forced its way into Tibet quit some time ago, and now seem to be systematically destroying the Tibetan culture. Yet the Chinese shit in the face of anything that might detract from their own cultural identity.

    Aren't you guys ashamed? Or have all your high falutin morals gone down the drain!

    1. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by CRCulver · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Tibetan rulers may have been cruel, but they weren't trying to systematically wipe out the Tibetan language and culture. China, on the other hand, is moving in a huge amount of Han people to do precisely that.

    2. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by Tomji · · Score: 2, Insightful

      China forced its way into Tibet quit some time ago... yeah 700 years ago. If only they were as effective as the english or other europeans in destroying culture and people.

    3. Re:Rage Against the Chinese? by h4rm0ny · · Score: 3, Insightful


      I don't know enough about Tibetan history to say if you're right or wrong about past rulers of Tibet. But if you care about the Tibetan people today, you should be against the forces that threaten them today. It is useful to have the historical perspective in order to prevent a return to another bad system, but it doesn't alter the need to change the current one.

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  5. Re:Mainstream coverage of the attacks by asuffield · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think the Chinese government thinks of Tibetans as automatic suspects, exactly. If there is anything that this whole affair reminds me of, it is the systematic extermination of the native Americans by the colonists. Han Chinese colonists move in and are supported by their government; natives can abandon their own culture and integrate into the Han nation (where they will be more or less accepted in time), or they can be shoved to one side and left to die out. Natives who oppose this get armies sent after them; those who don't oppose it get ignored. It's all stuff that we've seen before in history classes.

    The Chinese government has been doing this to Tibet for a period of centuries now (with varying degrees of enthusiasm depending on what else was going on at the time), and their reaction to people who say that Tibet is an independent nation is very similar to the reactions of US colonists to people who said the same things about the natives there (it basically amounts to "We're taking it, so this land is ours, and all those squatters can just go die in a hole"). The colonists do of course blame the natives for clinging to their culture instead of adopting the new, obviously superior one that is taking over.

  6. Re:They are terrorists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'Deconvolution' seems to be our very own Chinese government propagandist, if his/her commenting history is anything to go by.

    If sites like Slashdot have one, I wonder how many more main-stream sites are targeted in this way.

    I don't know about anyone else, but the upcoming Olympics is leaving a bad taste in my mouth already.

    (Anonymous through genuine fear, these guys are like Scientologists on angeldust)

  7. "anti-chinese groups like Falun Gong." by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    WTF with: "anti-chinese groups like Falun Gong"??

    Most Falun Gong ARE Chinese. The government does not like them, fearing an organised group, though religious, could turn political, but to identify this as "anti-Chinese" is really nonsensical. (Americans might like to compare with the "Why do you hate America?" jibes made to demonise political opponents.)

  8. sowing the seeds of conflict in their own lives by microbox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the grand-parent was being glib.

    Buddhists believe in karma, which is why they are against violence. Destroying people and taking their land is not a sane way of seeking happiness and stability. Your children will grow up thinking that they can solve problems by destroying others. The chinese people are sowing the seeds of conflict in their own lives. There is a tragic quality to all of this.

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  9. Re:athletes have opinions by unlametheweak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when where athletes too greedy to think for themselves? If athletes don't speak out, it will because of some threat over their career, I'm sure athletes can and do think for themselves. The point being that athletes (and lets face it people in general are more concerned about their own issues than some foreign policy stance). As for any threats to their career; yes, (I am being presumptuous here; meaning I cannot speak for ALL Olympians or their ideals and goals, but...) if an athlete thinks a company would be less likely to sponsor an athlete who speaks out on political issues, then that athlete would be less likely to cause controversy. However real that may be, I am sure there is a perception amongst athletes that there could be an economic backlash. As an example, there were a few athletes who admitted to being homosexual, but they only became open about this AFTER their Olympic careers. Nope, I'm not really talking about athletes, but people in general. Olympians sacrifice quite a lot of time and money (opportunity costs, if you will), to get where they are. I don't think many would be interested in any potential sacrifice of their goals of being a star athlete. Politics is a diversion to high performance athletes. I'm thinking of such fanatical statements I've heard in the past by Olympians like "No pain, no Spain"; and that young American gymnast who sacrificed her health by performing with a broken leg; and was later applauded for her "heroism", and had her picture put on the Wheaties cereal box container.
  10. Re:They are terrorists! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The Chinese people have committed such a heinous crime against these people. Mao's army committed massive acts of rape. THE CHINESE ARMY FORCED TEENAGE GIRLS INTO SEX SERVICE. Mao's army murdered, conquered, and burnt the Tibetan "savages".


    That is a very serious accusation, against the Chinese people no less, not the Chinese goverment, bigotry works both ways. Do you have any proofs? Something better other than "they are communists, communism is EVIL, therefore they must have done every EVIL things under the sun."
  11. Re:They are terrorists! by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am 100% sure, the Chinese army would not do that.

    You mean, the same Chinese army that shot and killed unarmed and peaceful demonstrators in 1989? You're either a government shill, or a nationalist of the worst sort. What frightens me the most about China these days isn't the Communist party - it's nationalists of your ilk who put China first, Chinese people second and all others third.

    I also like how everything that paints Tibet in a bad light is FACT, while everything that paints China in a bad light is WRONG, without proper historical context, irrelevant or justified to counter nefarious external influences or actions.
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