'Mind Gaming' Could Enter Market This Year
An anonymous reader writes "In an adapted version of the Harry Potter video game, players lift boulders and throw lightning bolts using only their minds. Just as physical movement changed the interface of gaming with Nintendo's Wii, the power of the mind may be the next big thing in video games. And it may come soon. Emotiv, a company based in San Francisco, says its mind-control headsets will be on shelves later this year, along with a host of novel "biofeedback" games developed by its partners. Several other companies — including EmSense in Monterey, California; NeuroSky in San Jose, California; and Hitachi in Tokyo — are also developing technology to detect players brainwaves and use them in next-gen video games."
This tech sounds like a lot of fun, but I am imagining that the parents of the first kid to blow a gasket trying the brain-wave equivalent of button-mashing are going to be able to bring some interesting court action.
"Be light, stinging, insolent and melancholy"
Not all new input devices will meet with success. There was a lot of hype surrounding the release of Nintendo's Power Glove, and in the end it was used for only a few games and then abandoned.
Its all fun and games till the flying monkeys attack.
Wouldn't be the first time that a company put out a press release about mind control for consumer hardware at this time of year.
"mind-control headsets" do exatcly what the name implies.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
Let's see how many people will be saying that the technology is patented.
I hope they don't put a dumb plug on it that Joe with no brain can jack into something else. We wouldn't want to toast that one remaining braincell now, would we..
:-).
(BOFHs would say yes, of course
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I, for one, am looking forward to see manufacturers creating these gadgets in the shape of an Ancient Control Chair.
However, not sure if they are ever gonna put free drones in the package.
I can see this going two ways:
1) They make a complete interface that allows the gamer to sit on the couch and do nothing physical when he/she is playing the game.
2) They make this interface work in conjunction with other body movement - like maybe adding it to the Wii games like Avatar. You'd actually have to move and think the right things to get the character on screen to do what you want.
The former will make even bigger couch potatoes and the latter will make people even more active while gaming.
I personally would choose the latter if given the choice.
"Bah!" - Dogbert
Can I use it while wearing my tin-foil hat?
'Mind Gaming' will be this year's vaporware buzzword.
"A week in the lab saves an hour in the library"
Does the average kid gamer have enough brain power to set off the sensor?
I mean, how many madden players are there who buy the same game 49 times?
I steal signatures. This one used to be yours.
This could give some new meaning to "I think, therefore, I am."
This isn't good... girls will start beating us at video games on a regular basis.
It's great to seen Sinnesolscen back in the game after all these years...
Cameras ? What about tall kids and midgets ?
A more effective and cheaper solution would be to run PSAs throughout the day and evening, telling parents to "be fucking responsible" and "watch your kid". All the technology in the world cannot compensate for idiot parents.
-Billco, Fnarg.com
The one where everybody on the Enterprise became addicted to that game that came with a headset and you controlled with your mind? Everybody became addicted to the thing and went all nutzo. Then Wil Wheaton saved the day by making out with Ashley Judd.
I would totally get this if I got to make out with a hot chick in a starfleet uniform.
This makes me think of two things in particular; wearable computing and the return of hats.
I would sincerely like to be able to have a computer display in my glasses that I could view while walking around or standing in line.. at the very least providing something akin to a wearable Garmin gps device. The problem in my daydream has always been; how do I control the silly thing? How am I going to type? Mini keyboards like that on my phone are fine for short messages, but unsuited to any sort of real industrial typing and completely useless if I have to be walking or driving at the same time.
I would be willing to put a great deal of effort into learning how to type with my mind fluently.
However, wearing something like this on my head would make me look kind of silly in the business world. If an interface like this really takes off it could help ignite a resurgence of hats. I read an article recently revolving around how fifty years ago men of any class were rarely out and about without some form of stylish hat. As time passed this trend ended and now all we're left with is casual baseball caps. I've always liked a good fedora, and if they became fashionable to use as a mind interface cover then I could safely wear one in public without looking demented.
bend like the reed
Personally, I'm a little uncomfortable with the notion of anything or anyone but me reading my thoughts. I'll share them, or act on them, when I'm ready. Clearly though, such an interface has many promising applications ranging from military to medicine.
Didn't Sony last year or something file a patent on games that you interacted with via thought?
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... has anyone played Dreamfall?
You could make a pretty fun Star Wars game using this.
I always wanted a martial arts game where you would wear gloves and boots and fight a computer guy. it wouldn't be the same as sparring with a real opponent (3D, depth perception, actually getting hit, etc...) but it sure would be a great and fun workout - maybe even helping with timing.
I prefer Flambe as apposed flamebait.
Looks like Sony's "PS9" commercial, where a guy takes a pill and hallucinates his gameplay is one step closer to reality.
YouTube link to commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CZXZM6TFb4/
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, START
9) Isn't this how Childhood's End got started? (Miss you Art :'( )
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8) Great, till Mystique injects that black goo and blows your mind
7) Can you replay the games back into my skull? (Strange Days)
6) FORBIDDEN PLANET! (The dials go up to 10 to the infinite power)
5) "There's nothing you can't do once you put your mind to it." (Now, you can)
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1) WHOA! I know kung-fu!!!
Great, can we get a game that does math facts, multiplication tables, etc. I'm always amazed at how my kids can memorize the entire Majora's Mask but keep forgetting what 8 * 4 is. Imagine what else they could learn... Oh...
0) Lawnmower Man.
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Isn't this exactly the same technology as OCZ's NIA wich was shown in a slashdot article a while ago? Just look here: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/02/0131225 and then tell me what the difference is, besides OCZ having it nearly complete and this company only testing it... Besides, OCZ's version seems to be compatible with anything, as a new kind of input device, whilst this technology requires modded games.
Why is the graphic for the Input Devices topic a spoon?
Because you use a spoon to "input" food?
(I hope that's not it, because that's a touch retarded.)
The concept of "biofeedback gaming" isn't new... anybody remember Pain Pong?
I just hope to hell that nobody ever interfaces one of these to a cell phone. The bluetooth headset zombies are quite bad enough, thank you.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
and RTFA
Well that's a rather depressing statement.
We're doomed.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
The only component of those measurements that could actually be used for real-time game control is the EMG, that is, measuring the activation of muscles. That may make for interesting games, but it has nothing to do with "mind reading".
I had a biofeedback device and game for my IBM PCjr. This tech isnt new. Now to be fair, the game was fairly lame. But even so this is a reinvention at best.
It can be go tiem now plees?
how about controlling your TV remotely by using your thoughts ? That may be a simpler task to achieve and the device could have a far larger and ready market ?
Insight into much, Influence over nothing !
I did a final project on the limits of EEG (electroencephalography, or getting-signals-using-electrodes-on-scalp, which is what this is) for a neurotechnology seminar last semester, and compared my findings to the claims made by Emotiv. The result: some of the things they claim this device can do are actually impossible and always will be, and others are extremely unlikely unless they've made some seriously groundbreaking discoveries. (Mediocre two-dimensional movement, for example, has been generated by EEG, but it'd be impossible with their headset unless they have some sick new algorithms.) The professor of the same course actually met with the president of Emotiv, who failed to demonstrate that the device could do anything.
Last I checked, their marketing videos are ridiculously flashy while showing no real control capability. My belief: EEG headsets like these, at best, will be controllable only by facial muscles (which completely overshadow the electrical potential generated by the brain) and by alpha rhythm amplitude, a very slow control signal demonstrated in "BrainBall", which was posted to slashdot some time earlier. At worst these headsets will be near-worthless devices, their sales supported entirely by false promises and media hype.
Biofeedback?
That reminds me of this comic:
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I already spent years in brutal mind games competitions, while dating girls. I retired with the gold medal when I married my wife.
I thought the entire appeal of online porn is that it's "victory" without the mind games, though its ultimate dissatisfaction is because it's really just a single-player mind game anyway.
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make install -not war
and the particular game wouldn't matter.
I need this technology-- even if it just works for mouse clicks.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Just think of the possibilities this could bring for disabled people. The software they have to use now sucks so much it's unreal.
Journey to the Wild Divine (http://www.wilddivine.com/products/breathing-techniques-bundle-pack/) is a game that has been out for quite a while that uses bio feedback to control aspects of the game. Perhaps more accurately, it uses a galvanic skin sensor to provide additional input to the game. "Mind gaming" is probably another in the long tradition of inappropriately hyped terms that will disappoint people who expect magic and bore people who have an understanding and appreciation of the real and useful application of not magic technology.
I'm not associated in any way with the company. I got interested in mechanisms of highlighting bio-feedback in the context of education and childhood development. The interesting part of all of this for me is the potential shift away from "control" as a top down or external process where we use medicine or mechanisms to modify or control mind functions. To me it seems like an interesting development to be able to combine new bio feedback technology with existing bio feedback technology that is thousands of years old and has a proven effectiveness.
Thats whats taken so long!
I call dibbs on the Prof. X avatar.
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Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
wake me when I can rattle your mind with my jedi device
--Although, there was a Slashdot story a couple of days ago on room temperature superconductors which would provide the kind of technological leap necessary to make such a controller possible, (that is, if my understanding of sci-fi technology is correct, i.e. Brainstorm) --And, if according the article, the superconducting medium can be pressurized to about ten million atmospheres. (Don't hurl your headset to the floor in frustration, or you might crack a gasket and blow up/flash-freeze your house.)
I think a more realistic trick would be to use eyeball tracking glasses. Not quite the same as mind-reading, but certainly a decent hands-free input device. And possibly cooler yet, was the technology described in a Slashdot story from a couple of weeks back whereby a neckband can read from the vocal nerves in your neck which combined with a voice recognition system could presumably allow for voice actuated commands. --That would make more sense for a Harry Potter game, I'd think, where spells need to be spoken before they work.
With all the real tech available, I wonder why silly ideas like EEG readers which don't have a chance of working as advertised are being developed. Of course, I don't mind so much. --The idea of people wearing goggles to use computers is a bit creepy, and the neck band thing offers such a howler of a metaphor it doesn't bear explaining.
-FL
...will it run with linux ?
I got to play with one of these at the Game Developers Conference. It can determine if you are being "meditative" or "focused." It was kinda neat, with two limitations:
1) It didn't work at all one some people (me being on of them).
2) The company says it is useless for games.
It's funny that there is an article about this being for games, because the reps at the show said that it wasn't really useful for games, and they were instead looking into military and commercial apps. For example, using it to see if drivers are awake. Or if a pilot is in need of a stimulant. But as for games, you really can't change your mental focus while doing something else. In the demo game, the rep would move your character around for you and click on things because it wasn't realistic for the player to be in a "meditative" state while doing those things. And since the whole contraption can only measure one axis, it is a lot of complexity for very little value.
It was a nice tech demo but there was only so much that could be done with it. It is definitely not the next big thing in gaming.
I'd hate to see what these headsets would be like in Soviet Russia.
"sudo rm -rf your-face"
Mind gaming might be kind of fun, but one thing to remember is that it's not the same as traditional "control by thought" sci-fi/fantasy ideas. You don't think "lift rock" and the rock is lifted. You have to train your brain to connect a certain brainwave pattern with a lift command. It's not really that different from training your brain to press the B button when it wants to use a lift command.
In fact, training your brain is significantly more difficult because we have no experience doing it. The brain is not very quick at training itself to change states on command. It's good for therepy (I used to do Neurofeedback therepy for a while, and it was a great help).
All I'm trying to say is that while it might be fun, it's not what most people think it is, and unlike most new input devices which make things easier and more intuitive (Wiimote), brainwave output training is a slow, gruelling process that doesn't produce as fast a result as tactile responses.
Come the day we can build a super computer that can monitor an EEG and actually interpret the full thought "move character right", then we've got a good mind-control device. I'll buy an implant and use it to drive my car... but we're not quite there yet.
Multiplayer Gaming (defined): Sitting around, discussing single-player games with my friends, at the bar.
Mind-control headsets control you!
I'm sure the feds would love to mine kids brainwaves to find the future criminals.
It's all in the name of National Security.
No sig today...
Just think if you could log into windows with a series of cursor motions that don't actually move anything visible that you control with your mind. There was a similar feature in some software where you have to move the mouse's cursor in a pattern like left-right-left-right-up-circle and that's your password. But people can watch your hand so that's kinda dumb. But if it's only with your mind and nothing even shows up on the screen as moving, just the helmet registering the movements, you could really quickly put in a complex password that nobody would be able to see while they watch you.
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I'm not all that interested in games designed specifically for this thing. #*$! Harry Potter. If a user can generally assign keys to it somehow though (assuming it actually works at all - I have my doubts), then I'll be first in line.
"Sorry, your brain does not meet the system requirements for this game."
Consider the creative potential of a device like this! especially for physically disabled people. Could it be used in conjunction with a drawing program, or to trigger musical notes?
Image the noise a LAN party will make with this ;)
I have a son with cerebral palsy (spastic quadriplegia). It's incredibly hard for him to play games even with the uber sized trackball I got him (http://www.infogrip.com/product_view.asp?RecordNumber=98). I'd love someone to make this work as there's nothing wrong with his mind it would seem - the signals for movement just don't get to his limbs properly.
Anyone with a physical impairment that prevents them from using standard input device technology would love something like this. Assuming it works at all... here's hoping.
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These are not the...[MISSION FAILED]
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It's so easy to use, and the surgery to implant it in the base of your skull is so painless, it's no wonder I'm number one!
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Imagine a star-wars (r) game using both Wii-like physical movements for the lightsaber, while using the headset to use the Force at the same time!!!! OMGICIC! (OhMyGodI'mComingI'mCommmmmmmmmming!)
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...to welcome the our next generation of mind-machine interfaced overlords. Cyberathletes and micromanagement in Starcraft will take on a whole new meaning... Trading on the stock market will never be the same...
when will the giand death weilding robot hit shelves that I can control with it?
"Kekekeke"
This is offtopic, but could you explain your sig "There are 10 people in the world: those who know about number systems with sufficiently large bases."?
Obviously it's a take on the joke about binary. But your sig implies that there is some mathematical number system where "10" would refer to a single object. I can't make any sense out of that.
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"...developing technology to detect players brainwaves and use them in next-gen video games". So will dumb guys with little brains (and presumably brainwaves) be able to lift nothing?
I, for one, welcome our new mind-controlling overlords.
I want my Cowboyneal
One can only hope the mind control works in one directory only.
-a.d.-
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Psionics. No, not that psionics which DMs never let me play. But rather elections that interface with the mind. Avionics is electronics for aviation, so psi-onics works well and sounds cool.
That or we need to find an Invid Flower of Life....
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Games are such a great way to teach kids about the power of the mind! This could really be the beginning of a new generation of children, although today's kids are already amazingly smart and creative. Developing the supernatural and paranormal abilities of the mind in young children was a part of a special training in Huaxia Zhineng Qigong Center in China. As a result, kids were able to learn to see through matter and "scan" a person's body for diseases, move objects (telekinesis) and bend spoons. All these what we call "super natural abilities", with proper training and practice could become our natural abilities, as our mind has many abilities and functions we are not even aware of. And yes, as a Zhineng Qigong instructor, I can assure you that old doggies can too learn new tricks! One fun and easy tool for that would definitely be through the new generation mind games. After all games are fun, engaging, educational and entertaining. Two thumbs up!!! http://www.qigonghealings.com/
guess before long it really will put crack directly in to your brain via an injectable syringe that goes directly behind your ear...
Ever play Rifts RPG. This thing reminds me a the Juicer or Crazy OCC. Also sort of reminds me of the laser ball thingy in Star Wars that Luke used to practice lightsaber with. Also Star Trek's Holodeck comes to mind. It's only a matter of time...