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US "Fusion Centers" For Intelligence Sharing
Wired has an article on the national fusion centers in the US, which were created to aid intelligence-sharing in the fight against terrorism but are increasingly being used to look at other sorts of crimes. The keynote of these centers is "all hazards, all threats" — the LA police chief is quoted: "Information that might seem innocuous may have some connection to terrorism." The ACLU has up an interactive US map to help you become acquainted with your local fusion center.
So will Idaho become the new Silicon Valley?
Though over here I believe they are regional Counter Terrorism Units.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/19/gordon_brown_jack_bauer_ctu_counter_terror_plan/
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In other words, these are data mining centers, designed to organize and classify the information obtained via unconstitutional surveillance and data sharing programs, in addition to the myriad of legal sources. There, FBI personnel will work hard to ensure that nobody who orders pizza at 11:43PM, while purchasing a copy of "Diary of Anne Frank" online, gets away with the undoubtedly terrorist activities they might be planning (they may not even know it themselves, but that's just because the data mining is so good).
Fusion in our lifetime!
We've been waiting for 50-odd years for controlled fusion to solve the energy crisis.
Oh wait, wrong article.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Ok, so it's standard practice not to read TFA, so not including a link to the wired article in the summary would seem to save time.
However, if you'd like to read the article, I think this is it:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/03/feds-tout-new-d.html
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The real issue at hand is not where the information is gathered, but how a tremendous amount of information can be organized and accessed in a way that actually helps avoid future terrorist attacks. As the police chief said, seemingly innocuous information might be connected to a threat, but then again, it might just be innocuous information. Burying ourselves in mountains of information, a majority of it innocuous, might actually work against us. There must be a way to catalog information so that connections can be made between seemingly separate items to form an accurate picture of what the terrorists are planning.
McCain/Palin '08. Now THAT's hope and change!
"I was frustrated when I met with the [ACLU] report authors and they could not point to a single instance of a fusion center violating someone's civil rights or liberties," Harman said. "In fact, state and local laws and protections in place at many fusion centers are more rigorous than their federal counterparts."
Ahem: California's Anti-Terrorism Information Center admitted to spying on anti-war groups in 2003. And Denver's police department built their own secret spy files on Quakers and 200 other organizations.
It looks like there's already some scope creep. Does anyone else hear a voice in their head saying, "Slippery slope! What's happening to America!"
Mental note: Jane Harman D-CA. Must tell CA relatives about this when her seat is up for reelection.
I prefer Flambe as apposed flamebait.
When I was young the police used to watch over the people, now they're watching the people.
Shh.
Just some things to ponder...
Its almost like we are all under suspicion of being criminals.
Well, at least Manhattan hasn't been been turned into a maximum security prison...yet.
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Terrorism Terrorism Terrorism.
I thought most people kept up with the Jones. The rest of the real world doesn't give a fuck about America and their bogey man lies about terrorism. They cried wolf too many times. When I hear this rhetoric I switch off.
... usually end causing it. Wonder in which (or in how many) sci-fi stories about oppresive governments they got that idea, but sound a lot like taken from there.
Its almost like we are all under suspicion of being criminals.
Quakers! Have I missed some news item of Quakers becoming militant? What next, are the cops going to watch the Salvation Army now?!? Or members of the KISS Army?!?
I prefer Flambe as apposed flamebait.
9-11 was a fluke. yet it has been used to systematically rape the bill of rights, that 'goddamn piece of paper' as our beloved leader calls it.
until americans wake up, this country is going to hell. we are on a path that will make the ussr & east germany look like pussies. don't forget, torture is an american value now too. can't just use it on the really bad guys, or that would be discriminatory. gotta use it on everyone equally, because that's the new american way.
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The NSA had been listening in our calls for decades. My understanding is that it was never used on internal threats. With the patriot act combined with W's/telecom illegal spying, that changed everything. In particular, most ppl do not remember, but about 2 weeks after patriot act was passed, the DOJ announced that they had busted a large gang that hailed from Venezuela and was simply passing drugs all over. Ok, that sounds like a good thing. But within another month after that, it was discovered that there was spying on a dem state senators in mass. The simple fact is, that DOJ and the white house can not be trusted. Even if Obama gets it, I would not want him to have this. Why? Because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. W. and his henchman have been illegal throughout this admin. I expected that. But I believe that if we continue with this power, even the most honest of politicians will be corrupted.
I have said it before, and I will say it here again. Take us back to where the NSA was quietly listening in, but only shared info when it pertained to an outside threat. For starters, all of their listening is done via computers. The DOJ should go back to requiring warrants, and the DOD should be bared from listening in within the USA (which, patriot act and several of W's orders gave permission to do). Then have the NSA back to being staffed ONLY by professionals and not the politicians that W installed. IOW, it is time that we return to a professional approach to intel, rather than the bunch of NAZI thugs that we have allowed to set up camp due to so many ppl being afraid.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
FBI personnel will work hard to ensure that nobody who orders pizza at 11:43PM, while purchasing a copy of "Diary of Anne Frank" online
The point of data mining is that some connections are not obvious at all, pizza and books are legitimate pieces of data from a scientific/statistical point of view.
We know that the enemy favors couriers, a routine delivery person like a pizza delivery boy makes a good courier. Especially since it is an easily acquired job.
Common books have been used for ciphers for centuries.
The FBI has successfully mapped out organized crime networks through data mining of the most inconsequential and trivial looking information. It is likely that this technique will be successful against other groups as well. You may rightfully question the legality of acquisition methods and raise privacy concerns, but mocking the technique only demonstrates an ignorance of the topic.
Oh geez can you imagine if the Internet had been around when Anne Frank was alive? That diary would have been a lot shorter but at least it would been online and she could have liveblogged the whole Holocaust to the rest of the world:
6 June 1944
I see the world gradually being turned into a wasteland. I hear the ever approaching thunder which will destroy us too. I feel the suffering of millions of people and yet, if I look up into the heavens, I somehow feel that all this will come right again, that also this savagery will stop, that there will be peace and tranquillity in the world once again.
Until that time, I must hold onto my ideals. Perhaps the day will come when I'll still be able to realise them.
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If I'm watched to that extent, I start by getting snappy, then unhappy and finally I twist my heart round again, so that the bad is on the outside and the good is on the inside, and keep on trying to find a way of becoming what I so would like to be, and what I could be, if, there weren't any other people living in the world.
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Despite what the article states about the focus of these fusion centers on anti-terrorism, they do a lot of things which focus on domestic crimes. This can be anything from serial killers, drug trafficking, to serial robberies. This data is being aggregated at the fusion centers and the OneDOJ (among others) program is going to aggregate it again to make better sense of it so that inter-state crimes can be better investigated and solved by sharing the information. These fusion centers receive a lot of flak when viewed strictly from the perspective of anti-terrorism because they are collecting data that isn't necessarily connected to terrorist acts. That data is for other criminal activity. The data is collected based on pre-existing police reports, investigations, etc. so the gov't isn't doing anything extraordinary here besides tearing down walls between federal, state, local, and tribal agencies in order to better solve past crimes and maybe, hopefully, prevent further ones by performing statistical analysis on the criminal data.
For example, by seeing that a new business opening up is located in the same part of a city as a string of new criminal activity the local police department can have more patrols out to make sure the criminals realize they are being watched. Obviously that is at the local level but this type of data mining on *existing data* helps the feds too.
this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom. -- Lincoln, Gettysburg Address
The East Germans had the exact same thing called the Stasi Secret Police . Your friends and neighbours even your relatives would pass on details about you to your local representative in the name of crime and social harmony. It worked great until those dam Americans stuffed it all up.........eh wait a minute.
See the pattern yet. You stood there and let the Bush regime murder and torture people. What happened when they announced it? Nothing, becuase they just said "Well, you knew it was happening, if you really objected you should have stopped it" and so they didn't get away with it, they just changed the rules to allow it. If you let these people normalise it in the culture you're too late.
In 5 years when this information is used to imprison people they'll stand there and say "Well you knew it was happening and you didn't stop it". One of the things I love about America is that they're so convinced they don't put up with any shit that when shit happens they either claim they want it to happen or ignore it. Stop waiting for them to announce that they're profiling you to object, you know it's happening, act now, FORCE CHANGE.
I honestly don't care though, why would I care about a country who has allowed a million innocent iraqis die, torture people, attempt to bully the rest of the world, and then have people like Ann Coulter on their television channels saying that all camel jockies should be killed becuase they killed 3 thousand americans in Iraq.
You gave up the rights of others to live, no one should ever do that.
We have one of those in our local government building. Down in the basement, behind an unmarked locked door with one way glass. They also don't participate in any of the state IT functions and is basically a standalone entity with its budget in the 'grey'.
Saw the nice pretty lit up logo on the internal wall one day someone was exiting the area. Was thinking 'that nice, wonder how much that cost when no one gets to even see it'.
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---- Booth was a patriot ----
Stop telling me it's a conspiracy and tell me how they achieve the magic of the fusion.
I have countless applications that could benefit from this research. I've got old school islands of data in "stovepiped" isolated products. I *might* be able to slap a semantic web layer around them but I really REALLY do not want to reinvent the wheel if my tax dollars paid for a good solution.
Don't you mean WHEN it does occur? We are going down a path well traveled throughout history, its just now the government has technology behind it to tip the balance and perhaps prevent the next stage in the process ( revolution ).
---- Booth was a patriot ----
...the 2006 film The Lives of Others, which presents Germany's more recent past in a way that seems a lot more like a potential American future than the Godwinian parallels most people seem to draw.
While I can't comment on the accuracy of the film's portrayal of the GDR in 1985 (it looked convincing, but I wasn't there), I can say its portrayal of a subtle, businesslike surveillance state, quite unlike the obviously super-evil third reich half a century earlier, seemed a lot more efficient in eliminating dissent.
Dramatic disappearances in the night? Dissidents gunned down in the streets? No, if you spoke out against the GDR (again, at least as envisioned in the film), you didn't have to fear for your life. You just found your career a little "harder" to continue in. You found life gradually less satisfying... Shipped off to a torture chamber with all manner of horrific devices? No, just sent to a little room. To talk. For a long time. Until you cooperated.
Your mind is clear / The things that you fear / Will fade with how much you / Believe what you hear
The original term for this "Homeland Defense" monstrosity was "Total Information Awareness" and it was well underway before 9/11. It's so repulsive and unAmerican that the US Congress overwhelmingly ordered it shut down. Bush moved it to the NSA instead, so it is doing just fine.
Be advised that the terrorists who run this program think they have the right to detain and torture people without charge. When they are finished beating you they dump you in a foreign country where you might be murdered or starve before you can get back home.
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I love how my tax money goes to fund an illegal war and gather private information about me. From this point on, I'm redirecting my income and keeping my earned US income below taxable rates. I refuse to finance this shit. Enough is enough.
We have been raped. THIS IS NOT THE COUNTRY WE SIGNED UP FOR. They are not holding their end of the Social Contract. This is just like the Red Scare 1 and Red Scare 2. Remember Sacco and Vanzetti? Remember Joseph McCarthy and all of his victims in the name of Communism? Terrorism is the new term used to scare citizens into compliance. We are on the fast-track to a police state, influenced by the UK. They say that they are protecting us in the name of 'National Security'. What they don't understand is if we had better foriegn policy everyone wouldn't hate us and we wouldn't "need" all this "national security".
This is just the last straw for me. I'm going to go outside and moon the eye-in-the-sky. I'm going to spam my phones with terrorist keywords like "bomb".
"Those who would trade essential freedom for temporary security deserve neither." (Citizen Ben)
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I think it all botlles down to the consent what terrorism really is! The definition of terrorism that is. I think it geographicly differs! Just my two cents:)
MOD PARENT UP. I don't like Bush either--I'm glad he's going to be replaced soon. Don't make up crap about him and his administration, though: that just makes people stop listening to even legitimate things you say when they find out about the bull...
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