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Someday You'll Hate Apple (And Google Too)

jfruhlinger writes "Think today's world, where Apple is the innovative underdog, Google is the company that does no evil, and Microsoft sits atop its throne as ruler of an evil empire. Will this state of affairs last forever? You must not remember the days when everybody loved that scrappy upstart Bill Gates. Don Reisinger muses on the fickleness of consumer loves and hates. 'It's that same [level of] success and its own questionable privacy practices that will lead to Google's PR downfall and propel it into a position of disdain going forward. Trust me, the future of Apple and Google may look bright from an economic standpoint, but these companies will be hated one day too. Sad, but true.'"

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  1. One day? by Pope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even without the internet, people have been hating Apple for decades. Usenet and forums just made it easier for them to spew their opinions about.

    Blind devotion to *anything* is questionable.

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    1. Re:One day? by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is indeed true.

      Everyone can find someone to hate them. The important point is that Microsoft are hated by their own customers, and it's probably true that Google and Apple will be too.

    2. Re:One day? by Sancho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There are decent enough reasons to hate Apple. The arbitrary lock-in of the OS is a good place to start. The hypocrisy of wanting to strip DRM from the media they sell while keeping DRM on their own OS is another. iPod lock-in is yet another. And if you hold a grudge, the lawsuits they filed in the 80s over their look-and-feel is another (I only mention this because I hold a grudge against Microsoft for all of their anticompetitive practices of the past 20 years.)

    3. Re:One day? by asilentthing · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An iPhone sells for twice the cost to make it, that's highway robbery (and really points out who the sucker in the room is).

      Almost EVERYTHING you buy from electronics to food to clothing is marked up at least 200%. That's the nature of retail. It's not exclusive to Apple products and never has been.

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  2. Yeah, but they're just companies by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're not religions, political parties, families, etc. They're businesses.

    They don't need an adoring cult around them. They need to provide what the market demands. If people want to impute a personality or culture to a company, that's fine as far as that goes. But it's still pretty much bullshit.

  3. I don't get it. by Armakuni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Trust me, the future of Apple and Google may look bright from an economic standpoint, but these companies will be hated one day too. Sad, but true."

    Why is this sad? Surely being suspicious of powerful entities is one of the better human qualities.

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  4. I'm starting to fear Google already by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Their "don't be evil" policy is admirable, but "evil" is subjective. Google really don't seem to be quite in step with most geeks I know when it comes to data protection and privacy.

  5. No. by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You must not remember the days when everybody loved that scrappy upstate Bill Gates.

    That is because there were no such days. From the very beginning, having stolen CP/M and computer time at a university to get their business running, Microsoft has always been regarded as a band of criminals largely devoid of real know-how. The fact that Google and Apple are not targets of widespread hatred in the tech community is evidence that there is more to the anti-Microsoft sentiment than simply rooting for the underdog.

    Microsoft hasn't mattered in 10 years. Google is on top of the tech game now and everyone knows it. Apple is expensive and pretentious, but remains, for the most part, respected. The best Microsoft can hope for with regard to public sentiment is to transition from outright, boiling hatred to pity. If anti-Microsoft sentiment were the fickle leftist hatred of success that it is cast to be, then why would we also hate SCO, which is anything but successful?

    The hatred of Microsoft is well earned, and its reasons go back to the very beginning of the company. If the SCO experience is any indication, it will long outlast the company's success.

  6. Maybe hate is the problem then? by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How about if you guys just give up on the groupthink instead?

    The socially-reinforced need to pick out people or organizations to hate seems like something you might want to grow out of at some point.

    If Apple or Google actually send assassins to kill your wife and children, go ahead and hate them. If some opinionated Internet comment-posters and the folks you chit-chat with at the office decide to hate Apple and Google, why not just encourage them to worry about reality, live their own lives, and stop the schoolgirl clique nonsense?

    Don't you have anything better to do? Can't you find something before the "hate-Google" and "hate-Apple" memes get started? You have time. Now is your chance.

  7. Re:Power Leads to Corruption by rkcallaghan · · Score: 5, Insightful
    eldavojohn wrote:

    [President Bush's] religion encourages him to love his neighbor and to treat him as he would want to be treated. Yet a fence between his country and Mexico says otherwise. Um, I'm no Bush supporter (and it's sad that I have to run a disclaimer for even being fair to the man), but in the interest of fairness, are you saying you want to be able to just walk in no questions asked and stay as long as you want in any nation?

    Sorry but no, I expect and want to be permitted to enter through legally established means, so that I may be an upstanding guest of the place I am visiting.

    My difficulty in affording Apple products make me think they are discriminating against the poor. What? Discriminating against the poor? Has discrimination become this catch-all now? Everyone hates discrimination, therefore, anything I don't like, down to the price someone asks for their wares is discrimination? You think someone at Apple is going "You know, we could produce these things for virtually free and give them away, but forget all that profit and paying our employees shit, what we really have to avoid is all those poor schmoes sullying our good name by using our product with a low disposable income!"

    Discrimination is when you use an irrelevant attribute to make decisions. The ability to afford the product at a profitable price(*) is hardly irrelevant, and distracts from real discrimination -- and Apple is one the top 10 companies to work for if you're a minority. I'm not a fanboi, I'm just homosexual and love my wife just the same, and wish her capacity for pregnancy did not prevent her from receiving health care (I don't work for Apple, sadly).

    ~Rebecca

    (*) Someone will invariably make a comment of gasoline or food or some such. Please understand that we're talking about Apple computer, which to my knowledge does not produce or sell anything in the "necessary for sustainable life" category. If iPods become as important as the automobile, groceries, or healthcare, we'll reconsider.
  8. Re:AN OPEN LETTER TO HOBBYISTS by stuporglue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I dislike Windows and most other Microsoft software, but I actually agree with most of this letter. Taking other people's programs when you don't have permission isn't right, and if someone wants to make their code closed source, that's their choice too.


    The two things Bill was wrong about were a) that no one would distribute software for free and b) that he would be able to deluge the hobby market with good software.

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  9. Re:No, we hated Apple from time to time by MrHanky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A bit subjective, but most of Apple's Macs were pretty solid. They last far past their technology (and their tech is goo enough to outlast many PCs. Sorry, but that's just not true. Maybe it was, back in the days, but not now. A 10 year old Mac is useless today, not because it's too slow to run a browser, word processor and email client, but because you can't run modern software on it. You can't update OS X, and new OS X apps almost always need one of the latest versions of OS X, even when there's no technical reason for it. Example. Why? Because Apple wants it that way. Many of the computers that were locked out from upgrading to Panther were far faster with it than with Jaguar, but Apple want people to buy new computers. 10.5 demands a whopping 867 MHz CPU despite the fact that it's obviously not needed for the OS itself.

    Meanwhile, any old PC that can make use of more than 256 MB RAM can be very useful with Windows XP for several years to come (XP can actually be made very lean, if you know how to remove stuff). No, it won't run the latest and greatest games, but neither will a brand new MacBook.