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Space Elevators Face Wobble Problem

NewScientist is reporting that while the strength of the tether has long been considered the main problem in building a space elevator, a new study suggests that a dangerous wobbling problem may also be a serious obstacle. "Previous studies have noted that gravitational tugs from the Moon and Sun, as well as pressure from gusts of solar wind, would shake the tether. That could potentially make it veer into space traffic, including satellites and bits of space debris. A collision could cut the tether and wreck the space elevator."

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  1. A collision could cut the tether... by kcbanner · · Score: 5, Funny

    A collision could cut the tether and wreck the space elevator. Not to mention hurling whomever/whatever is the payload into space with the force of the largest man-made slingshot.
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  2. When will it become a reality? by genesus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    During a speech he once gave, someone in the audience asked Arthur C. Clarke when the space elevator would become a reality.

    "Clarke answered, 'Probably about 50 years after everybody quits laughing,'" related Pearson. "He's got a point. Once you stop dismissing something as unattainable, then you start working on its development. This is exciting!"

    http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast07sep_1.htm

  3. Re:Then why not a space escalator? by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    A broken space escalator would become a stairway to heaven, and if Led Zeppelin has taught us anything, it's that a Stairway to Heaven doesn't make any damn sense at all unless you're already so high you're practically in space already.

  4. Of course it's not easy by TheCoders · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think anybody really thought building a space elevator would be as simple as reeling out some cable and strapping on a cabin. There are a million complications, even before we get to solar winds or tidal pulls. How about something as simple as airplane traffic? Birds? Squirrels, for goodness sake!?

    Plus a million things we haven't thought of, and won't think of until the product is built. When train tracks were first laid down, they were too close together, because nobody had heard of the Bernoulli effect. Trains were getting slammed against each-other by their own created air pressure. What did people do? They learned from it, and moved the tracks further apart. We take trains for granted, but they were not without their technological hurdles to overcome.

    Of course something like a space elevator is not an easy accomplishment. Does that mean we shouldn't try?

    What do you think?

  5. "I think" Engineering by iamlucky13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .But Perek says that may not be enough. "Previous proposals for a passive tether controlled from the ground do not seem stable to me," he told New Scientist. Anders Jorgensen of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology in Socorro, US, who has previously studied the problem, agrees that stability is a concern for space elevators. But he says the new paper does not provide a quantitative analysis of the issue, and is not convinced that thrusters would be needed to stabilize the cables.

    Basically, the problem has been noted before this Perek guy's paper, but not studied in any detail. Perek reiterates and perhaps expands upon the concern, but doesn't do any analysis to establish the actual likelihood of a problem. It's basically an opinion.

    Atmospheric oscillations should be extremely well damped by drag. Oscillations due to gravity from the sun and moon may be a greater concern, because there is no drag, although including conductive paths in the cable may allow the earth's magnetic field to suitably damp the oscillations.

    An IEEE article on the topic discussed the related issue of harmonics. If these oscillations propogate through the cable at a rate that syncs up well with the rotation of the earth, gravity of either the moon or sun may amplify them. The tensile component can be tuned by adjusted the mass and tensile stiffness of the cable, and even better, the mass of the counterweight, allowing you to tune it by changing the tension, like an incredibly huge guitar string. The will also be a pendulum like motion due to the fact that the earth is on a tilted axis. This seems to be the concern discussed in the article.

    I personally am not at all convinced that oscillation of the cable alone (waves) is a problem due to it's low density, but oscillation of the combined cable and counterweight (pendulum) may be. If so, thrusters on the counterweight are much simpler to attach and refuel than they would be at intermediate altitudes on the cable.

  6. Re:wreck the elevator by alta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, no. The rotation of the earth would cause the ribbon to wrap around the earth in an easterly direction. To refute myself as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator#In_the_event_of_failure says that most of it would burn up on re-entry and that which doesn't will have less force than a piece of paper. So, please disregard my statements, but it sounded impressive the first time I said it ;)

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  7. Kids pressing all the buttons... by MrSteveSD · · Score: 5, Funny

    is surely the biggest problem :)

  8. being unstable doesn't preclude it being usable by slew · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Just because it's unstable doesn't mean it's impossible to get working.

    For instance most modern fighter aircraft are aerodynamically unstable, but they still fly. For example, the F16 was deliberatly designed to be unstable (to gain better manuverability). Of course the F16 has a computer control system to make it flyable by humans, but if the computer dies, well, unstable tumble modes ahead... I've also antecdodally heard that some modern bridges and tall-buildings are also not inherently stable (and are actively stabilized by computer control systems).

    But to be honest, I think the engineering of a space elevator is pretty much beyond our forseeable technical ability (material science, control systems, assembly techniques, not to mention project management, risk/return estimation, and financing/underwriting).

    If you think the problems are merely about waiting for technology, just think of the chunnel. It was imagined for a long time, but even after they got all the science and technology and assembly issues under control, the project management, risk/return estimation and financing/underwriting issues managed to kill a few companies before if finally got done.