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Feds Overstate Software Piracy's Link To Terrorism

Lucas123 writes "Attorney General Michael Mukasey claims that terrorists sell pirated software as a way to finance their operations, without presenting a shred of evidence for his case. He's doing it to push through a controversial piece of intellectual property legislation that would increase IP penalties, increase police power, set up a new agency to investigate IP theft, and more. 'Criminal syndicates, and in some cases even terrorist groups, view IP crime as a lucrative business, and see it as a low-risk way to fund other activities,' Mukasey told a crowd at the Tech Museum of Innovation last week."

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  1. No shame by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't believe how shamelessly politicians are using the terrorist bogeyman, and how easily people fall for it. Well, yes I can. But really, what's next? I'd like to say it can't get any more ludicrous than this, but I bet it can.

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    1. Re:No shame by Gat0r30y · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It really is quite shameful, I've seen software pirates. They are the dudes on the side streets of Shanghai selling "Genuine Windows Vista" DVD's for a dollar (about 7 RMB). They most certainly are not terrorists.
      And to answer your question, next the government will claim terrorists are raising funds through an elaborate cheese laundering operation. First stealing US Gov. Cheese, then selling it on the black market at fantastic profit margins. Everyone, please turn in your local Dairy Farmer (he's undoubtedly in on the operation)!

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  2. Re:Well duh by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Attorney General Michael Mukasey claims that terrorists sell pirated software as a way to finance their operations Who needs to sell pirated software when you can get it for free? And what does the government say to the claims that its secretive services launder money and participate in the illegal drug trade to.. er.. spread freedom and er.. prosperity and.. what's the other one? Democracy, that's right. You launder money and poison my kids, and call everybody a criminal and terrorist, and I get to vote for you - that's sweet. Nawww, not a shred of truth in it Mommy!
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  3. Utter lies by TheMeuge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Normally I am very reserved when it comes to political commentary. However, this time I simply cannot help but note that the show has certainly reached a new low, and we should all be ashamed of ourselves.

    It is absolutely despicable that we've become so fat and complacent, that we allow our government to pull these sorts of stunts. Looking at the proposed legislation, one should note that IP infringement might be punished more severely than rape, if these laws are to become real. Actually, we should see the whole thing as a rape... the rape of our Constitution, and every value that made our society ever so slightly better than the regimes we like to fight so much.

    1. Re:Utter lies by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Thing is, raping a citizen only harms the citizen. Raping a corporation harms a campaign contributor. Which way do you think your Congresscritter is gonna vote?

      Why do you think campaign financing reform is drastically needed, but will never happen? When the government puts the needs of corporations before the needs of its citizens, it's already way too late. Hope you have your bug-out package and bribe money to get a coyote to pass you through the border...

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  4. Re:Well duh by Slimee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ok let me be more specific, when in this post 9/11 world, has the government presented evidence in its claims and crusades.

  5. oh, how convenient by vajaradakini · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everything that's illegal and/or generally not approved of by the US government "supports the terrorists".

    Smoke locally grown pot (as most pot in the US is): you're supporting the terrorists!
    Download your music through a peer to peer network: you're supporting the terrorists!
    Pirate your software: you're supporting the terrorists!

    It's the red scare all over again, but with a different enemy, isn't it? "Don't forget to go spend all your money on things you don't need and can't afford. If you don't spend more than you make and support our corporate buddies, you clearly want the terrorists to win."

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  6. Republican Legacy by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would like to thank the millions of people who voted for Bush twice (in no more than two elections), and for Congressional Republicans for something like seven or more times, for making our country both safer and freer, and operated with more integrity, just like y'all said it would be.

    But I can't, because that would be a lie.

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  7. Re:Well duh by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Republicans are the ones who tarnish critics of the expansion of executive power as anti-American and traitorous. The Democrats have generally failed to oppose this tendency adequately, but let us be under no illusions about where the real engine for this growth of policing state power is coming from.

  8. Re:Tired of all this 'terrorism' rhetoric. by jamstar7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps it is because I am outwith the USA and not properly indoctirnated, but 'the home of the brave' seems to be afraid of shadows these days, at least at a government level. Do the USA citizens really go along with all this?

    No, the government really isn't afraid of terrorists, but making sure the citizens are allows them to expand their budgets, clamp down harder on John Q Citizen's movements and basic Constitutionally-recognised freedoms, and allows it to ignore international conventions to the point where the US has already been declared an outlaw nation. Geedubya has already told us the 'War on Terror' will last over a hundred years. That's 100 years of increased taxation, failing economy, and increased repression strictly for the gain of the politicians and their corporate masters. Our money is nearly worthless now, and it's just going to get worse as the government keeps pouring money down the Iraq/Iran/Middle East rathole. Welcome to our wonderful 21st Century, and don't forget to pray.

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  9. Re:Well duh by Stalyn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bullshit. Every time someone says "the democrats and the republicans are the same" I think back to 2000 when I said something similar.. "Bush or Gore... eh it doesn't really matter, both parties are the same". And boy I don't think I've ever been so wrong about something in all my life.

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  10. I call bullshit by z80kid · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I call bullshit

    Yeah, the current administration is guilty of that crap.

    What about the last administration and it's wagging the dog wars in Somalia and Kosovo - where there was NO US interest at all let alone oil interests? When groups opposed to the administration suddenly found themselves audited by the IRS? Where hundreds of FBI files on political opponents turned up in the White House (can you say Nixon?)

    The parent poster was right. The democrats will violate your rights just as quick as the Republicans. They will just feed you a story you can swallow, instead of one the Republicans can swallow.

    1. Re:I call bullshit by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like I said above, I protested against Clinton's military adventures. But none of the things you describe amount to the pervasive expansion of federal police power under the Republicans - from the creation of a "Department of Homeland Security" (my God, what an Orwellian phrase) to the defense of torture, extraordinary renditions, no-fly lists, etc. By creating institutions like DHS, these changes are built into the government, rather than being rogue operations of otherwise reasonable organizations.

      This isn't even really a left/right thing (well, the right as an actual cultural force, if not as the political expression of conservatism, is closer to the cultural of nationalist values and bellicosity, but..) It's what the Republicans have chosen to exploit for political capital. I attribute it to Rove's neo-conservatism, not to the historical Republican party. But them's still the facts on the ground. (And Rove, Rumsfeld, etc all share origins in the Nixon administration's realignment of the Republican party.)

    2. Re:I call bullshit by greg_barton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What about the last administration and it's wagging the dog wars in Somalia and Kosovo

      Somalia and Kosovo?

      Somalia and Kosovo?

      After the last seven years, all you have to say is fucking Somalia and Kosovo?

      Yeah, all administrations wag the dog.

      The Bush administration wagged the whole fucking planet.

      Please.
    3. Re:I call bullshit by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Calm down little buddy... the Bush Administration didn't wag shit. Those who consented to be ruled, those who willingly paid taxes and didn't even complain, those who registered to vote, those who joined the military and any and all others who helped are ALL complicit. We're all guilty of this, even the victims are guilty of it to some degree. To say otherwise is to have a naive outlook on things.

      True, ALL governments are merely thugs who passed power down to their buddies (Clinton and Bush the elder vacation together, when they're not on TV)... but the peons who uphold said governments seem to think that a whole bunch of FALLIBLE MORTALS can rule over a bunch of FALLIBLE MORTALS who seemingly are more fallible and cannot be trusted to run their own lives.

      You people amuse me beyond any measure. All who clamor government is necessary seem to think that governments provide justice, peace, honesty or some other measure of virtue. They must've missed the courts that rarely side with the truth, courts that rule against their own laws (even that so called "law of the land") courts that require you to have massive cash flow to even keep up with the case, nevermind actually win... am I missing anything?

      And you all PAY for this, vote for this, and have even come under the impression that these thugs have your best interests in mind.

      Wow. Just... wow.

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    4. Re:I call bullshit by greg_barton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You people amuse me...

      ...you all PAY for this...

      Wow. Just... wow.

      You speak as if you're above us all. You talk like the elite claim to disdain.

      Sanctimonious prick.
  11. Re:Well duh by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which president signed the DMCA into law?

    Which Congress passed the law? Which President was burning his political capital for too many other things to risk a fight with Congress by using his veto?

    Not that I'm saying he didn't support it, I'm saying you do have to look at who passed the law *first* because the veto is not an option most Presidents just wield willy-nilly. Yes, Bush signed USAPATRIOT, but I mostly blame Congress who passed the law without even reading, much less debating, the fucking thing.

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  12. Re:Well duh by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Gore was president, we wouldn't be in Iraq. That "grass" is real, and it's fucking green enough for me.

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  13. Re:Wait, excuse moi? by Reziac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And considering that the vast majority of pirated software being SOLD is sold in China and various third-world countries, explain to me how laws covering U.S. soil and U.S. citizens would have the slightest impact, even IF sales of pirated software funded terrorists??

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  14. Re:Well duh by Reziac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah... it's all "Think of the Children!" and "Prevent Terrorism!" Why aren't you supporting this bill? You must hate children and support terrorism!!

    So long as politicians can be un-elected by such accusations, the problem will continue. :(

    Maybe we need a new slogan:

    Won't anyone think of the Citizens??!

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  15. Re:Well duh by Malevolyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What checks Congress at this point? Interesting point, actually. I'd say the system of checks and balances is pretty much moot anymore, considering how much power the judicial system has gotten in the past 10 years. And not to mention private groups (hell, Mr. RIAA) getting nearly the power of a government body, when it comes to controlling citizens. Or trying, anyway.
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